[09:33] <eagles0513875|2> hey all ) 
[09:34] <sakrecoer> hi! :)
[09:38] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2: have you had some time to familiarize yourself to the wiki pages i sent you?
[09:40] <eagles0513875|2> not yet mate :( 
[09:40] <eagles0513875|2> ill be back in a moment
[09:40] <eagles0513875|2> i need to relocate my laptop
[09:40] <eagles0513875|2> be back in a few moment
[10:07] <eagles0513875|2> heyo
[10:07] <eagles0513875|2> im back sac
[10:07] <eagles0513875|2> wow i cant type 
[10:07] <eagles0513875|2> im back sakrecoer
[10:34] <sakrecoer> wb eagles0513875|2 
[10:34] <eagles0513875|2> ty kind sir
[10:34] <eagles0513875|2> sorry bit nuts around the office today 
[10:35] <eagles0513875|2> IT admin that does building maintenance etc
[10:35] <sakrecoer> ok :) 
[10:40] <eagles0513875|2> im looking forward to helping out in what ever way I can 
[10:40] <eagles0513875|2> not sure in what capacity yet
[10:42] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2: \o/ 
[10:43] <eagles0513875|2> im interested in packaging
[10:43] <eagles0513875|2> but have no idea how
[10:43] <sakrecoer> i'm not good at that either, but i think atm that is the skill set we need the most 
[10:44] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance
[10:45] <eagles0513875|2> will need to go looking through the wiki
[10:45] <eagles0513875|2> lmms is what im involved with as well to an extent
[10:45] <eagles0513875|2> lots of great leaps and bounds going on there
[10:46] <sakrecoer> nice :)
[10:47] <eagles0513875|2> im wondering is there a ppa for US that will contain bleeding edge media packages
[10:47] <eagles0513875|2> like latest master branch of lmms for example
[10:51] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2: we have the backport testing ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/backport-testing
[10:54] <eagles0513875|2> ok but how often are packages update there for testing
[10:55] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2: we have just begun with backporting... we rely on what ubuntu imports from debian, so many times we don't have bleeding edge. but you might want to talk to OvenWerks zequence rosco2 or krytarik about it, since they know much more than me about the package realm
[10:55] <eagles0513875|2> ok 
[10:56] <eagles0513875|2> dunno why the name OvenWerks sounds familiar lol
[10:57] <sakrecoer> maybe because he is super nice and skilled and active here? :) he is also very active in ardour i believe 
[10:57] <sakrecoer> eagles0513875|2 ^
[10:58] <sakrecoer> anyways, i have to go AFK for a while, very nice to chat with you eagles0513875|2 looking forward to have you arround! :)
[10:58] <sakrecoer> well, i mean, its nice to have you arround.. :)
[10:59] <sakrecoer> read y'all later! o/
[11:04] <eagles0513875|2> later sakrecoer :) 
[11:04] <eagles0513875|2> hey OvenWerks zequence 
[11:04] <eagles0513875|2> how are you guys got some questions about the backports testing repo
[11:24] <cfhowlett> !ping
[11:45] <zequence> eagles0513875|2: The backports testing repo is intended for testing backports when having made a backport request
[11:45] <zequence> The backport may be accepted only after it has been tested on the release it is to be backported to
[11:46] <zequence> Usually it is the backporter that does the testing, but anyone can help out with this. And, a PPA is nice to have when several people want to test the same package
[11:47] <zequence> Not sure if that answers your question, which I realize I haven't yet read :)
[11:48] <eagles0513875|2> zequence: but what if you want to test next releases of lets say ardour for example or lmml
[11:48] <eagles0513875|2> lmms
[11:48] <eagles0513875|2> where the code base is changing on a continuous basis
[11:48] <zequence> eagles0513875|2: If you want to test the next release, you install the development release of Ubuntu Studio
[11:49] <eagles0513875|2> no no not of US but of a particular piece of software
[11:49] <zequence> Well, there's only one place you can find those for Ubuntu Studio, and that is in the official Ubuntu repos
[11:49] <zequence> ..which you will have access to once you install a dev release
[11:50] <zequence> The two that you mention, as well as most of our packages are actually imported directly from Debian
[11:50] <zequence> Debian Unstable
[11:50] <zequence> The imports continue until a specific date during the development period, which is tagged "Debian Import Freeze"
[11:51] <zequence> After that, Beta testing  commences
[11:51] <zequence> And, then the release. And, then it all starts over again.
[11:52] <zequence> So, that's how it works, basically.
[11:52] <zequence> If you want to try out the latest version from the upstream developer for an application, such as ardour, or LMMS, you need to get the source and compile it yourself
[11:52] <zequence> Or, find someone who does it for you and publishes those packages.
[11:53] <zequence> The packaging in Debian Unstable is fairly up to date. It all depends on the packager, really.
[11:54] <zequence> If you would like to learn about packaging those mentioned applications, Ubuntu Studio is not the right place to do that. We only package our own original source
[11:55] <zequence> The people who does most of the packaging are found in debian-multimedia, the team of packagers that package multimedia applications and libraries
[11:55] <zequence> who do*
[11:56] <zequence> The only kind of packaging we do here is bug fixing for a specific Ubuntu (Studio) release.
[11:56] <zequence> ..and that does not happen often (and we are not alone in doing that anyway)
[11:56] <zequence> Well, except for our own original source, as mentioned
[11:57] <zequence> eagles0513875|2: Check it out https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
[12:02] <zequence> Seems I may be having some weird DNS problems. Not sure when this is sent to the server.
[12:03] <zequence> I will be gone for a moment.
[12:06] <eagles0513875|2> zequence: ok will speak later as I am busy at work
[15:20] <eagles0513875_> hey all im back
[15:21] <eagles0513875_> zequence: i am more then willing to help package things
[15:23] <zequence> eagles0513875_: To learn, it's best to do that with the multimedia team, as they have more of that.
[15:23] <zequence> With us, it's a bit slower. Requires more time, and getting upload rights will be slower.
[15:25] <zequence> Only a few packages that need a few tiny changed each cycle
[15:28] <eagles0513875_> ok
[15:28] <eagles0513875_> what happens though if a version of lets say lmms is very old and newer releases have come out 
[15:28] <eagles0513875_> and not been updated in debian
[15:53] <zequence> eagles0513875_: Think you are referring to stable Debian releases
[15:54] <zequence> Debian Unstable is not a release per se. It is the archive where the most recent packages end up
[15:54] <zequence> That is what the dev versiof on Ubuntu (Studio - and all other official flavors) sync to.
[20:59] <DalekSec> I poked zequence in #xubuntu-devel, but you may want to look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/275014126/xfce4-session_4.12.1-3ubuntu1_4.12.1-3ubuntu2.diff.gz and the last two commits https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk
[21:25] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: i couldn't find your pokes in #x-dev, can you help me understand it better?
[21:35] <DalekSec> The first is a debdiff of xfce4-session, second is bzr commit log? :P
[21:44] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: yeah, that is about how much i can see. what are "you" supposed to see in it?
[21:44] <sakrecoer> ..or "look at"..
[21:45] <DalekSec> Switching from upstart user sessions to systemd user sessions.
[21:47] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: thanks.. and also, why can't i see your ping in #x-dev? it was less than an hour ago..
[21:48] <DalekSec> /lastlog zeq   ?
[21:49] <sakrecoer> oh... you are untit193 :D
[21:49] <sakrecoer> sorry, i didn't know...
[21:50] <DalekSec> Eh, thought everyone knew.  OK.
[21:51] <sakrecoer> well... now, one more r... erm human does :)
[21:54] <sakrecoer> anyways, upstart=>systemd... can you please hint me, DalekSec ? what kindof consequences for ubuntustudio?
[21:54] <DalekSec> Well, us-settings would have to be changed to follow suit with x-d-s.
[21:59] <sakrecoer> thank you DalekSec :)
[22:00] <DalekSec> Sure.  krytarik might be able to explain some more too. :P
[22:11] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: i didn't get what you were explaining
[23:50] <eagles0513875|2> heyo
[23:50] <eagles0513875|2> hey sakrecoer
[23:50] <eagles0513875|2> and anyone else that is alive in here
[23:50] <eagles0513875|2> omg DalekSec :D wassup m8