| gilir | tsimonq2, easier to talk here ;-) | 06:49 |
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| tsimonq2 | o/ gilir :) | 06:49 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: so I guess I wanted to see what your thoughts were on having ~lubuntu-dev have upload permission to LXQt and LXDE packages | 06:51 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: you say it's interesting sharing upload rights, what do you mean by that? | 06:51 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, currently lubuntu-dev = me + ubuntu-core-dev | 06:52 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: and another person | 06:52 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: but I have seen your Launchpad page, you are a MOTU | 06:52 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, yes but inactive, I may remove him soon | 06:52 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: alright, I see | 06:52 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, so adding the subset will make no difference that the current situation | 06:53 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: by the way, Mirv is here, he is doing the Qt 5.6.1 transition, it's already landed in Debian but he's doing work to get it in Ubuntu, and I tested building LXQt and installing LXQt in Ubuntu against 5.6.1, works fine :) | 06:54 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, that will make sense when someone will seek upload right for LXQt and / or LXDE packages | 06:54 |
| tsimonq2 | I see gilir | 06:54 |
| Mirv | tsimonq2: yeah I just also tested installing LXQt on the VM where I have that silo 024 (that is now in yakkety-proposed) installed and it seems to start fine. | 06:54 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: I understand it doesn't make sense now, and I agree, but in the future, I might want to help out, or someone else might want to help maintain Lubuntu packages, but it's easier to get upload permissions to a subset of packages than to get MOTU | 06:55 |
| tsimonq2 | great Mirv :) | 06:56 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: but I totally understand the situation with it being a team of only you and core-dev | 06:58 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: and I understand where you are coming from :) | 06:58 |
| tsimonq2 | in the meantime, Mirv, won't we need a rebuild of the LXQt packages for Qt 5.6.1? | 06:59 |
| tsimonq2 | Mirv has lxqt-qtplugin ready to go though | 07:00 |
| Mirv | tsimonq2: I took care of them. There are two such packages that need a rebuild: libqtxdg and lxqt-qtplugin. They use Qt Base's or Qt Declarative's private header, get a qtbase-abi or qtdeclarative-abi dependency stamped on them from symbols files, and therefore are forced to be rebuilt. | 07:00 |
| tsimonq2 | I see Mirv, but don't the other packages need to rebuilt to pick up on the new Qt deps? | 07:01 |
| Mirv | tsimonq2: not really, because Qt promises it's ABI stable unless you use private headers | 07:02 |
| Mirv | ...a promise that has not 100% always been kept but usually is | 07:02 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 07:02 |
| tsimonq2 | and either way, with LXQt 0.11 coming soon, it will be fine | 07:02 |
| Mirv | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqtxdg/1.3.0-3build1~1 + https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-qtplugin/0.10.0-3build1~2 are the rebuilds | 07:02 |
| Mirv | when I'm preparing a new Qt release, I will always check all packages that depend on eg qtbase-abi-5-6-0 or qtdeclarative-abi-5-6-0, and get a list of packages that I need to rebuild to do a successful landing - the list is compiled at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXhsnTwzvm5p6gDbUrDpRPSJV9tX4SHCptC9yUYCMmE/edit (bottom of the page) | 07:04 |
| tsimonq2 | alright :) | 07:04 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: in the meantime, while you are here, let me look at that liblxqt patch and see if it really needs any changes before a merge | 07:05 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: the only thing really needed is the Standars-version bump, which is in Debian's repositories for 0.11 | 07:08 |
| tsimonq2 | *Standards-version | 07:08 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: so I'm going to close the bug | 07:08 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, ok, it's probbaly better to do nothing on lxqt packages until the new release is out | 07:09 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: I agree | 07:09 |
| dholbach | hiya | 07:17 |
| tsimonq2 | hey dholbach | 07:18 |
| tsimonq2 | dholbach: so I closed the liblxqt bug because through learning some more packaging with the Kubuntu folks, I understood that Julien's approach is correct | 07:18 |
| dholbach | ok, no worries | 07:19 |
| tsimonq2 | dholbach: that updating the symbols file for a release is better than an abi package generally | 07:19 |
| tsimonq2 | so I marked as invalid and I unsubscribed the sponsors team | 07:19 |
| tsimonq2 | dholbach: just so you were aware :) | 07:20 |
| dholbach | ok, no problem :) | 07:21 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: somebody emailed the ubuntu-devel-discuss list about a problem and solution to a bug in xfce4-power-manager and specifically mentioned Lubuntu, forwarded to the lubuntu-devel list and I carbon-copied you | 07:27 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: it includes a patch as well :) | 07:28 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: hey, ping | 17:10 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: ? | 17:42 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: aren't we supposed to do Alpha 2 this week? | 17:53 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: by the way, you should update the topic to reflect the current image statuses | 17:53 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: yep, Thursday | 17:58 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: and we also have 14.04.5 NEXT Thursday | 18:00 |
| wxl | so we should get images today then | 18:00 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: yeah, right after the images for Alpha 2 get spun up, I'll put out the call for testing | 18:02 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: then next week, I'll put out another CALL FOR TESTING for the PPC folks ;) | 18:02 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 18:02 |
| wxl | Unit193: can you give tsimonq2 manager on lubuntu-devel? | 18:03 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: lubuntu-devel being #lubuntu-devel or lubuntu-devel being lubuntu-devel@l.u.c ? | 18:04 |
| wxl | # | 18:04 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 18:04 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: can't you do that? or no? | 18:04 |
| wxl | nope i only have op | 18:04 |
| tsimonq2 | oh okay | 18:05 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: so I'm assuming infinity (or someone else on the release team) has to create the Alpha 2 milestone on iso.qa.ubuntu.com? | 18:06 |
| wxl | yep | 18:07 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 18:08 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I pinged him so hopefully I'll get a timely response so I can get that call for testing put out | 18:09 |
| agaida | btw - right now gilirs approach is not right - but hey, you have to handle that, i have no problem with broken packages and frustrated users. Not saying that it hurts LXQt - but its up to you | 18:56 |
| agaida | until now we have only two broken repositories, xenial and yakkety - lets wait and build some new and shiny broken things | 18:56 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: it was explained to me, your approach with the ABIs is wrong | 18:57 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: yes it might be a little bit easier but in the long run it's the wrong approach | 18:57 |
| agaida | ok - belive what you want to - not my problem | 18:57 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 18:57 |
| agaida | nope | 18:57 |
| agaida | and why the approach is badly broken - Qt use it | 18:58 |
| agaida | right, i understand it | 18:58 |
| agaida | so ubuntu will be the home of broken LXQt packages for a certain amount of time - cool | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: your opinion | 19:01 |
| agaida | no - reality | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: Ubuntu will be the home of LXQt packages done the correct way in regards to symbols | 19:02 |
| agaida | have a look into the yakkety repo - lxqt-config is broken | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | then we will fix it | 19:02 |
| agaida | <sarcasm>woah - better debian packages than debian - my deepest respect </sarcasm> | 19:02 |
| agaida | have fun with it and get a clue | 19:03 |
| agaida | and yes, i'm more than a little bit pissed | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: then get out of the channel and vent somewhere else, this is not the place to do it. We've decided what we plan to do. | 19:04 |
| agaida | it is exactly the place - but hey, dream on, make your thing and please don't file bugs about some segfaults to upstream nor debian. thanks in anticipation | 19:06 |
| redwolf | o.o | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ redwolf | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: you should update this screenshot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu | 19:43 |
| redwolf | I will, when it's officially released ;) | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | oh okay | 19:44 |
| redwolf | don't worry :) | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: I meant with 16.04 but 16.10 works too ;) | 19:44 |
| redwolf | also I was updating some Reddit things, like the icon and colours for the official reddit mobile app | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: also, when launching Thunderbird from the terminal, I get this: (thunderbird:6997): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory imported-Humanity/192 of theme Lubuntu has no size field - I assume it's your department? | 19:45 |
| redwolf | yup! | 19:45 |
| redwolf | but that message is ok, no harm will occur to your computer :) | 19:45 |
| redwolf | we use non-fixed sizes for some things. some apps don't like it. | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: but can you fix pls? | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | oh okay | 19:46 |
| redwolf | any other request? :P | 19:46 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: Yakkety uploads for the artwork PPA | 19:47 |
| redwolf | everything's up | 19:47 |
| redwolf | BUT | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | BUT | 19:47 |
| wxl | everything's UP | 19:47 |
| wxl | BUT | 19:47 |
| wxl | ummmmmmm | 19:47 |
| redwolf | nothing will be released until the rearrangements are done (Julien is doing things, fixing things) | 19:48 |
| redwolf | we made deep changes in the theme structure (extended support for symbolic icons and high contrast ones) | 19:48 |
| redwolf | and I made ONE new icon .__. | 19:48 |
| redwolf | oh wait... it's not uploaded yet XD | 19:49 |
| === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster | ||
| tsimonq2 | *GASP* | 19:50 |
| tsimonq2 | TheMaster!!!! | 19:50 |
| redwolf | O.O | 19:50 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: conversation @ #ubuntu-release | 19:50 |
| === krytarik is now known as Unit193 | ||
| wxl | tsimonq2: did i not just get involved? | 19:50 |
| === TheMaster is now known as krytarik | ||
| tsimonq2 | wxl: re: #ubuntu-release, should I put up the fight, or are we fine not releasing Alpha 2? | 19:53 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: depends on if others want to be involved. it's probably too late for that though :( | 19:54 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: yeah | 19:54 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: i'm about ready to go to lunch so can you follow up on whatever infinity decides? | 20:12 |
| tsimonq2 | sure wxl | 20:12 |
| wxl | thx | 20:12 |
| tsimonq2 | yep :) | 20:12 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: we're getting LXQt Lubuntu images spun :O :D | 20:51 |
| flexiondotorg | Wooooo! | 20:51 |
| flexiondotorg | So the switch to LXQt is official for 16.10 Alpha 2? | 20:51 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: just waiting for infinity to review some MPs | 20:51 |
| tsimonq2 | no no no, we're nowhere NEAR switching | 20:51 |
| tsimonq2 | and it won't be ready for Alpha 2 | 20:51 |
| tsimonq2 | but Beta 1 should include the image | 20:52 |
| tsimonq2 | (hopefully, fingers crossed) | 20:52 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: the tentative plan we've been looking at is to release LXDE and LXQt and switch for 17.04. | 20:53 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: but at least it's progress :D | 20:53 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, So 2 images? | 20:53 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 20:53 |
| lynorian | wow alpha is this week oops | 20:59 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: coming to LUP? | 21:01 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, Already there. | 21:05 |
| tsimonq2 | \o/ | 21:05 |
| === Unit193 is now known as krycek | ||
| === krytarik is now known as Unit193 | ||
| === krycek is now known as krytarik | ||
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, Snaps? | 22:07 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 22:07 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: anything useful? | 22:07 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, Lots :-) | 22:08 |
| flexiondotorg | The platform snaps are the main thing I'm interested in right now. | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: I mean, specifically for making something like a Lubuntu snap | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | oh okay | 22:08 |
| flexiondotorg | Which is similar to what you start for Lubuntu. | 22:08 |
| flexiondotorg | But all parts are source. | 22:08 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 22:08 |
| flexiondotorg | And there are not build-packages. | 22:09 |
| flexiondotorg | They are source parts. | 22:09 |
| tsimonq2 | oh? | 22:09 |
| tsimonq2 | cool | 22:09 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: has it landed yet? | 22:09 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, In master. | 22:09 |
| flexiondotorg | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/+junk/gnome-3-20-snap/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml | 22:10 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: I see, sort of like the snap I have already | 22:10 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep. | 22:11 |
| flexiondotorg | And what is missing is the markup to identify it as a Content Interface. | 22:11 |
| tsimonq2 | oh? | 22:11 |
| tsimonq2 | that will be cool | 22:11 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll keep an eye on it :) | 22:11 |
| flexiondotorg | :-D | 22:11 |
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