[06:49] <gilir> tsimonq2, easier to talk here ;-)
[06:49] <tsimonq2> o/ gilir :)
[06:51] <tsimonq2> gilir: so I guess I wanted to see what your thoughts were on having ~lubuntu-dev have upload permission to LXQt and LXDE packages
[06:51] <tsimonq2> gilir: you say it's interesting sharing upload rights, what do you mean by that?
[06:52] <gilir> tsimonq2, currently lubuntu-dev = me + ubuntu-core-dev
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: and another person
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: but I have seen your Launchpad page, you are a MOTU
[06:52] <gilir> tsimonq2, yes but inactive, I may remove him soon
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: alright, I see
[06:53] <gilir> tsimonq2, so adding the subset will make no difference that the current situation
[06:54] <tsimonq2> gilir: by the way, Mirv is here, he is doing the Qt 5.6.1 transition, it's already landed in Debian but he's doing work to get it in Ubuntu, and I tested building LXQt and installing LXQt in Ubuntu against 5.6.1, works fine :)
[06:54] <gilir> tsimonq2, that will make sense when someone will seek upload right for LXQt and / or LXDE packages
[06:54] <tsimonq2> I see gilir
[06:54] <Mirv> tsimonq2: yeah I just also tested installing LXQt on the VM where I have that silo 024 (that is now in yakkety-proposed) installed and it seems to start fine.
[06:55] <tsimonq2> gilir: I understand it doesn't make sense now, and I agree, but in the future, I might want to help out, or someone else might want to help maintain Lubuntu packages, but it's easier to get upload permissions to a subset of packages than to get MOTU
[06:56] <tsimonq2> great Mirv :)
[06:58] <tsimonq2> gilir: but I totally understand the situation with it being a team of only you and core-dev
[06:58] <tsimonq2> gilir: and I understand where you are coming from :)
[06:59] <tsimonq2> in the meantime, Mirv, won't we need a rebuild of the LXQt packages for Qt 5.6.1?
[07:00] <tsimonq2> Mirv has lxqt-qtplugin ready to go though
[07:00] <Mirv> tsimonq2: I took care of them. There are two such packages that need a rebuild: libqtxdg and lxqt-qtplugin. They use Qt Base's or Qt Declarative's private header, get a qtbase-abi or qtdeclarative-abi dependency stamped on them from symbols files, and therefore are forced to be rebuilt.
[07:01] <tsimonq2> I see Mirv, but don't the other packages need to rebuilt to pick up on the new Qt deps?
[07:02] <Mirv> tsimonq2: not really, because Qt promises it's ABI stable unless you use private headers
[07:02] <Mirv> ...a promise that has not 100% always been kept but usually is
[07:02] <tsimonq2> alright
[07:02] <tsimonq2> and either way, with LXQt 0.11 coming soon, it will be fine
[07:02] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqtxdg/1.3.0-3build1~1 + https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-qtplugin/0.10.0-3build1~2 are the rebuilds
[07:04] <Mirv> when I'm preparing a new Qt release, I will always check all packages that depend on eg qtbase-abi-5-6-0 or qtdeclarative-abi-5-6-0, and get a list of packages that I need to rebuild to do a successful landing - the list is compiled at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXhsnTwzvm5p6gDbUrDpRPSJV9tX4SHCptC9yUYCMmE/edit (bottom of the page)
[07:04] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[07:05] <tsimonq2> gilir: in the meantime, while you are here, let me look at that liblxqt patch and see if it really needs any changes before a merge
[07:08] <tsimonq2> gilir: the only thing really needed is the Standars-version bump, which is in Debian's repositories for 0.11
[07:08] <tsimonq2> *Standards-version
[07:08] <tsimonq2> gilir: so I'm going to close the bug
[07:09] <gilir> tsimonq2, ok, it's probbaly better to do nothing on lxqt packages until the new release is out
[07:09] <tsimonq2> gilir: I agree
[07:17] <dholbach> hiya
[07:18] <tsimonq2> hey dholbach
[07:18] <tsimonq2> dholbach: so I closed the liblxqt bug because through learning some more packaging with the Kubuntu folks, I understood that Julien's approach is correct
[07:19] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[07:19] <tsimonq2> dholbach: that updating the symbols file for a release is better than an abi package generally
[07:19] <tsimonq2> so I marked as invalid and I unsubscribed the sponsors team
[07:20] <tsimonq2> dholbach: just so you were aware :)
[07:21] <dholbach> ok, no problem :)
[07:27] <tsimonq2> gilir: somebody emailed the ubuntu-devel-discuss list about a problem and solution to a bug in xfce4-power-manager and specifically mentioned Lubuntu, forwarded to the lubuntu-devel list and I carbon-copied you
[07:28] <tsimonq2> gilir: it includes a patch as well :)
[17:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: hey, ping
[17:42] <wxl> tsimonq2: ?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: aren't we supposed to do Alpha 2 this week?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: by the way, you should update the topic to reflect the current image statuses
[17:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep, Thursday
[18:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: and we also have 14.04.5 NEXT Thursday
[18:00] <wxl> so we should get images today then
[18:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah, right after the images for Alpha 2 get spun up, I'll put out the call for testing
[18:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: then next week, I'll put out another CALL FOR TESTING for the PPC folks ;)
[18:02] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:03] <wxl> Unit193: can you give tsimonq2 manager on lubuntu-devel?
[18:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: lubuntu-devel being #lubuntu-devel or lubuntu-devel being lubuntu-devel@l.u.c ?
[18:04] <wxl> #
[18:04] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: can't you do that? or no?
[18:04] <wxl> nope i only have op
[18:05] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[18:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I'm assuming infinity (or someone else on the release team) has to create the Alpha 2 milestone on iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:07] <wxl> yep
[18:08] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: I pinged him so hopefully I'll get a timely response so I can get that call for testing put out
[18:56] <agaida> btw - right now gilirs approach is not right - but hey, you have to handle that, i have no problem with broken packages and frustrated users. Not saying that it hurts LXQt - but its up to you
[18:56] <agaida> until now we have only two broken repositories, xenial and yakkety - lets wait and build some new and shiny broken things
[18:57] <tsimonq2> agaida: it was explained to me, your approach with the ABIs is wrong
[18:57] <tsimonq2> agaida: yes it might be a little bit easier but in the long run it's the wrong approach
[18:57] <agaida> ok - belive what you want to - not my problem
[18:57] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:57] <agaida> nope
[18:58] <agaida> and why the approach is badly broken - Qt use it
[18:58] <agaida> right, i understand it
[19:01] <agaida> so ubuntu will be the home of broken LXQt packages for a certain amount of time - cool
[19:01] <tsimonq2> agaida: your opinion
[19:01] <agaida> no - reality
[19:02] <tsimonq2> agaida: Ubuntu will be the home of LXQt packages done the correct way in regards to symbols
[19:02] <agaida> have a look into the yakkety repo - lxqt-config is broken
[19:02] <tsimonq2> then we will fix it
[19:02] <agaida> <sarcasm>woah - better debian packages than debian - my deepest respect </sarcasm>
[19:03] <agaida> have fun with it and get a clue
[19:03] <agaida> and yes, i'm more than a little bit pissed
[19:04] <tsimonq2> agaida: then get out of the channel and vent somewhere else, this is not the place to do it. We've decided what we plan to do.
[19:06] <agaida> it is exactly the place - but hey, dream on, make your thing and please don't  file bugs about some segfaults to upstream nor debian. thanks in anticipation
[19:43] <redwolf> o.o
[19:43] <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf
[19:43] <tsimonq2> redwolf: you should update this screenshot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu
[19:44] <redwolf> I will, when it's officially released ;)
[19:44] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:44] <redwolf> don't worry :)
[19:44] <tsimonq2> redwolf: I meant with 16.04 but 16.10 works too ;)
[19:44] <redwolf> also I was updating some Reddit things, like the icon and colours for the official reddit mobile app
[19:45] <tsimonq2> redwolf: also, when launching Thunderbird from the terminal, I get this: (thunderbird:6997): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory imported-Humanity/192 of theme Lubuntu has no size field - I assume it's your department?
[19:45] <redwolf> yup!
[19:45] <redwolf> but that message is ok, no harm will occur to your computer :)
[19:45] <redwolf> we use non-fixed sizes for some things. some apps don't like it.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> redwolf: but can you fix pls?
[19:46] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:46] <redwolf> any other request? :P
[19:47] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Yakkety uploads for the artwork PPA
[19:47] <redwolf> everything's up
[19:47] <redwolf> BUT
[19:47] <tsimonq2> BUT
[19:47] <wxl> everything's UP
[19:47] <wxl> BUT
[19:47] <wxl> ummmmmmm
[19:48] <redwolf> nothing will be released until the rearrangements are done (Julien is doing things, fixing things)
[19:48] <redwolf> we made deep changes in the theme structure (extended support for symbolic icons and high contrast ones)
[19:48] <redwolf> and I made ONE new icon .__.
[19:49] <redwolf> oh wait... it's not uploaded yet XD
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[19:50] <tsimonq2> *GASP*
[19:50] <tsimonq2> TheMaster!!!!
[19:50] <redwolf> O.O
[19:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: conversation @ #ubuntu-release
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[19:50] <wxl> tsimonq2: did i not just get involved?
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[19:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: re: #ubuntu-release, should I put up the fight, or are we fine not releasing Alpha 2?
[19:54] <wxl> tsimonq2: depends on if others want to be involved. it's probably too late for that though :(
[19:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'm about ready to go to lunch so can you follow up on whatever infinity decides?
[20:12] <tsimonq2> sure wxl
[20:12] <wxl> thx
[20:12] <tsimonq2> yep :)
[20:51] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: we're getting LXQt Lubuntu images spun :O :D
[20:51] <flexiondotorg> Wooooo!
[20:51] <flexiondotorg> So the switch to LXQt is official for 16.10 Alpha 2?
[20:51] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: just waiting for infinity to review some MPs
[20:51] <tsimonq2> no no no, we're nowhere NEAR switching
[20:51] <tsimonq2> and it won't be ready for Alpha 2
[20:52] <tsimonq2> but Beta 1 should include the image
[20:52] <tsimonq2> (hopefully, fingers crossed)
[20:53] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: the tentative plan we've been looking at is to release LXDE and LXQt and switch for 17.04.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: but at least it's progress :D
[20:53] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, So 2 images?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:59] <lynorian> wow alpha is this week oops
[21:01] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: coming to LUP?
[21:05] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Already there.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> \o/
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[22:07] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Snaps?
[22:07] <tsimonq2> yeah
[22:07] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: anything useful?
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Lots :-)
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> The platform snaps are the main thing I'm interested in right now.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I mean, specifically for making something like a Lubuntu snap
[22:08] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> Which is similar to what you start for Lubuntu.
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> But all parts are source.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> yeah
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> And there are not build-packages.
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> They are source parts.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> oh?
[22:09] <tsimonq2> cool
[22:09] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: has it landed yet?
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, In master.
[22:10] <flexiondotorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/+junk/gnome-3-20-snap/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[22:10] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I see, sort of like the snap I have already
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> And what is missing is the markup to identify it as a Content Interface.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> oh?
[22:11] <tsimonq2> that will be cool
[22:11] <tsimonq2> I'll keep an eye on it :)
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> :-D