[00:41] <joeshmoe> nomic are you still there?
[00:41] <nomic> yeah
[00:41] <joeshmoe> i just got back from a bunk ass mission lol
[00:41] <nomic> k
[00:42] <joeshmoe> anywho, so python is sort of like what latin is to spanish french and itallian
[00:42] <nomic> #!/usr/bin/python   as line #1 of a file , makes it into a python script
[00:43] <nomic> no, its just used a lot
[00:43] <nomic> is accessible
[00:43] <joeshmoe> ok and how do i access this when i boot up?
[00:43] <nomic> you know the bash shell?
[00:43] <joeshmoe> i run a boot shell you said?
[00:43] <nomic> no
[00:43] <nomic> you can access python
[00:44] <joeshmoe> sorry bash command cell
[00:44] <nomic> by typing python in bash
[00:44] <nomic> its always there
[00:44] <joeshmoe> and how do i tell the difference between a command terminal and a bash?
[00:45] <nomic> bash is the command shell
[00:45] <joeshmoe> im sorry if i seem slow, but i really am picking this up, and what exactly can i do by running python?
[00:45] <joeshmoe> or sorry scripting in python
[00:46] <nomic> anything that requires a program
[00:47] <joeshmoe> ok so i can start a terminal right now type in python and whamo im good to go?
[00:47] <nomic> you need to learn it = online resource
[00:47] <nomic> I advised python as entry point for beginner 1. is used widely 2. is already installed
[00:47] <nomic> 3. is easy / accessible
[00:48] <nomic> far better for you to pick up a web resource, to learn, rather than being shown here
[00:48] <nomic> you must read about it
[00:48] <nomic> plenty of beginners resources/tutorials
[00:50] <joeshmoe> what is the best place to find tutorials that you could reccomend? i am very interested in becoming an IT guy, you know start pen testing and running Kali Linux
[00:50] <joeshmoe> oh i guess that is one more question that i have for you, how do i download and install katoolin?
[00:50] <joeshmoe> i followed the exxamples on the internet but they didnt' work
[00:51] <nomic> i dunno what it is (katoolin), sorry
[00:51] <nomic> google "python tutorial"
[00:52] <joeshmoe> katoolin is supposedly every app that kali linux has but in a format to run on ubuntu
[00:55] <joeshmoe> or i guess the better question is how to dual boot kali with ubuntu/
[00:55] <joeshmoe> that would just be easier yeah?
[00:58] <nomic> ask in #ubuntu
[00:59] <nomic> or forums :)
[00:59] <nomic> mate, ubuntu has forums
[01:00] <nomic> efficient to ask qs.  this place not always busy (mate)
[01:01] <joeshmoe> merci gracias
[01:04] <nomic> yw.
[01:05] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[01:05] <nomic> https://ubuntuforums.org/
[01:05] <nomic> https://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/
[02:12] <vm> hello
[02:12] <vm> Nice to chat you
[02:12] <vm> I am using a vmware with ubuntu mate
[03:20] <aakash> safsafs
[06:23] <jcjordyn120> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:23] <jcjordyn120>   File "/home/jordyn.old/jordyn-system-info/source/usr/bin/jordyn-system-info", line 330, in <module>
[06:23] <jcjordyn120>     func()
[06:23] <jcjordyn120>   File "/home/jordyn.old/jordyn-system-info/source/usr/bin/jordyn-system-info", line 269, in term_display
[06:23] <jcjordyn120>     term = os.getenv("TERM").split('/')[-1].capitalize()
[06:23] <jcjordyn120> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
[06:23] <ouroumov> okkay
[06:23] <ouroumov> Pastebin please jcjordyn120
[06:24] <ouroumov> Don't dump lengthy output on the channel
[06:38] <maro> hi
[11:18] <n3m3sis_> hello guys, i am using a macbook air 2012 13inch via parallels. Out of box it seems like my graphicdrivers cant be detected also the welcome screen couldnt find it. Is it possible to get this fixed, I noticed that on regular Ubuntu it was working right away.
[11:28] <nomic> n3m3sis_  more efficient ot ask v specific hardwar questions on https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[11:28] <nomic> register, open thread/topic there
[11:28] <nomic> a macbook air isn't v standard in that
[11:28] <nomic> ubuntu runs 100% on a pc
[11:28] <nomic> its a bit specialist, to install ubuntu on a macbook air
[11:29] <nomic> its like trying to install windows on a macbook air
[11:29] <nomic> macbook air designed for macos
[11:29] <nomic> q. must be, does it even have drivers for mate/macbook air
[11:41] <n3m3sis_> okey thank you i will give it a try there.
[13:12] <mate|12061> hello
[13:13] <mate|12061> im having issues with hdmi output from my laptop to tv
[13:13] <mate|12061> can anyone please help
[13:15] <anik> hi
[13:15] <anik> anyone there
[13:16] <bekks> According to "/names", yes.
[13:16] <anik> do you on developing ubuntu apps for desktop
[13:17] <mate|12061> sorry got to go,no disrespect,peace
[13:17] <anik> anyone outthere
[13:18] <anik> any girl out there
[13:18] <bekks> anik: What is your actual support question?
[13:19] <bekks> And if you are looking for a date, quit IRC and meet real people.
[13:19] <anik> my question is on ubuntu app dev
[13:19] <bekks> So what is your question?
[13:19] <anik> sorry for that..
[13:20] <anik> how to start ubuntu app development
[13:20] <anik> ~
[13:20] <bekks> did you ever developed an application yet, regardless of the OS, programming language, etc.?
[13:21] <anik> yes on android platform and java
[13:21] <bekks> So you could start like that on Ubuntu too, you could develop a Java app.
[13:22] <anik> that will support for mobile platform?
[13:22] <bekks> A mobile platform has nothing to do with it, at first step.
[13:22] <anik> i mean ubuntu touch phones
[13:23] <bekks> If youdevelop for Ubuntu touch phones, your application will support them.
[13:23] <anik> is java supported on ubuntu phones?
[13:24] <bekks> Yes.
[13:24] <bekks> As on every Ubuntu.
[13:24] <anik> yahoo thanks!!
[13:24] <anik> my problems solved
[13:25] <anik> bye bekks <3
[14:06] <ali1234> to make proper ubuntu touch apps you are supposed to use Qt
[14:07] <bekks> "Proper apps" do not necessarily have a QT Gui.
[14:47] <giulio_> hi guys i have a problem i install ubuntu mate 6. on my laptop dell inspirion 1721 but i can t connect in wifi ? thank you
[14:48] <giulio_> ubuntu 14.6
[14:49] <bekks> There is no Ubuntu Mate 6 not 14.6.
[14:49] <bekks> There is 16.04
[14:50] <giulio_> sorry 16.4
[14:51] <kisb> 16.04
[14:52] <giulio_> i install wireless driver but still don t work
[14:53] <bekks> Which wireless drivers for which chipset?
[14:53] <giulio_> work only with cable
[14:53] <bekks> Which wireless drivers for which chipset?
[14:56] <giulio_> BCM4311802.11b\gWLAN Wireless  WLAN Mini-Card
[15:04] <bekks> giulio_: And which driver did you install?
[15:07] <giulio_> this one wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-Card
[15:14] <bekks> giulio_: you named two different wifi cards. Which one are you using, and which driver are you using?
[15:28] <giulio_> i realy don t now bekks...
[15:28] <bekks> giulio_: So which drive did you choose to install?
[15:32] <giulio_> broadcom 802.11  Linux STA wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source
[15:53] <dominik> ist hier einer der deutsch kann ?
[16:04] <avron> i use software to download programs and games its faster and lighter
[16:05] <avron> someone say something!!
[16:08] <Guest2872> hello
[16:09] <avron> hi
[16:09] <Guest2872> I've installed 16.10 development version, is there any special way I should update my machine other than using apt-get?
[16:09] <Guest2872> also, i'm new to testing
 install (software) as your software center
[16:13] <Guest2872> use of software updater complains about possible borkened install, which is why i've been using term
[16:14] <avron> go to the welcome screen and software theres a link for software centers install software
[16:17] <Guest2872> and that will not harm the testing environment?
[16:17] <avron> yes
[16:17] <Guest2872> thank you
[16:17] <Guest2872> why that over apt-get, may I ask?
[16:17] <Guest2872> shouldn't it pull from yakkety?
[16:18] <avron> idk
[16:18] <avron> ?
[16:18] <Guest2872> I know there was some issue with mint wanting to pull from ubuntu repos and not the mint specific repos
[16:19] <Guest2872> nevermind. i'm an idiot
[16:19] <Guest2872> it's all yakkety
[16:20] <avron> are your running ubuntu mate?
[16:22] <Guest2872> yes
[16:22] <Guest2872> currently, anyway
[16:22] <Guest2872> I have a few installs on this machine
[16:28] <ubuntu-mate> Hello, anyone here?
[16:30] <Guest2872> i'm pseudo here
[16:34] <avron> did the software i told you worked?
[16:40] <Guest2872> it was able to update the system, yes
[16:40] <avron> what? the software center
 Say Something!!!
 How dumb you are? your ignoring me!!!!
[17:03] <Guest2872> avron, sorry I am multitasking
[17:03] <Guest2872> along with doing this, I am working on several other things and am not physically at my computer the entire time
[17:08] <avron> Guest2872: is the simple software center that updated your computer?
[17:08] <Guest2872> yes, that was able to update some things
[17:35] <ashutoshmjain> Hi  - The software boutique does't show an option to install Libre Office  .. i started with minimal installation of Mate and never installed Libre office ..is it a bug or supposed to install Libre office directly from their download torrent ?
[17:37] <alkisg> ashutoshmjain: personally I install gnome-software and use that instead of the boutique
[17:37] <alkisg> It's what ubuntu uses as well
[17:37] <alkisg> sudo apt install gnome-software; and then find it in the menus
[17:37] <ashutoshmjain> sure ..thanks
[17:39] <alkisg> ashutoshmjain: also, if you install ubuntu-mate-desktop, it will pull all the dependencies for you, libreoffice included
[17:39] <alkisg> sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[17:41] <ashutoshmjain> I have already installed some software eg Bit Torrent Sync  ... Hope installing ubuntu-mate-desktop wont adversely impact
[17:42] <alkisg> it will tell you which packages it will install, and you can press y or n to accept or not
[17:42] <Akuli> ashutoshmjain, installing ubuntu-mate-desktop shouldn't remove anything.
[17:42] <ashutoshmjain> I liked the software boutique  .. Its very well designed  .. only issue is with Libre office  .. rather than giving an install option it just has a downward arrow to show more
[17:44] <Akuli> sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[17:44] <Akuli> and you have it
[17:44] <ashutoshmjain> Installing the Desktop now  ..going well ..thanks
[18:15] <ethertron> one having problems with updates on Xenial
[18:15] <bekks> ethertron: which problems do you have?
[18:16] <ethertron> yesterday i tried updating the LTS updates for xenial and 34 of the way it reports a problem
[18:17] <ethertron> you know that little messege that says it will notify ubuntu of an internal error
[18:17] <ethertron> ive never run MATE just Unity
[18:17] <bekks> LTS upgrade is postponed for a week.
[18:18] <ethertron> ohh really
[18:18] <bekks> Really.
[18:18] <ethertron> maybe i'll just wait till next week
[18:19] <bekks> Its your only option :)
[18:24] <alkisg> ethertron: run this in a terminal: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:24] <alkisg> This popup message might be due to a not fully updated local mirror, nothing major
[18:24] <bekks> dist-upgrade is unknown to apt, it is replaced with full-upgrade
[18:26] <alkisg> bekks: please run it
[18:27] <bekks> which invokes apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:28] <bekks> I'd prefer apt full-upgrade
[18:28] <alkisg> My command is runnable and your initial statement was invalid
[18:28] <alkisg> Your preference may be fine, no comment there
[18:40] <avron> i love ubuntu mate its smoother and no issues. On linux mint minetest crashes alot
[18:42] <bekks> !minetest
[18:42] <bekks> !info minetest
[18:42] <bekks> hmm.
[18:42] <bekks> ah.
[18:59] <pavlushka> bekks "sudo apt dist-upgrade" does work :)
[19:01] <pavlushka> but in the man pages its "full-upgrade", dist-upgrade is absent.
[19:04] <alkisg> It's probably there for compatibility for those that were used to the old apt-get syntax
[19:04] <pavlushka> think so
[19:04] <alkisg> And it might have been renamed because people were thinking that "dist-upgrade" means "update to a newer distro version"
[19:05] <ali1234> yes
[19:05] <CircularLogic> yes i have made that mistake early on :P
[19:05] <ali1234> when the command was invented that is what it meant
[19:06] <CircularLogic> why they change then?
[19:06] <ali1234> because it no longer means that
[19:07] <CircularLogic> yeah i mean i wonder why they decided to change the behavior
[19:07] <ali1234> they didn't change the behaviour
[19:07] <ali1234> they made a proper upgrade tool
[19:10] <CircularLogic> what i thought you ment is that dist-upgrade used to do the same as do-release-upgrade does now
[19:10] <ali1234> no
[19:10] <CircularLogic> ah
[19:11] <ali1234> in the past if you wanted to do a release upgrade you would edit your sources.list to point at the new repo and then do a dist-upgrade
[19:11] <ali1234> you can still do that now if you want but it isn't recommended
[19:11] <ali1234> do-release-upgrade is smarter
[19:12] <CircularLogic> do-release-upgrade does that now but more safely if i understand correctly
[19:12] <CircularLogic> at least in part
[19:14] <bekks> dist-upgrade never did what do-release-upgrade does.
[19:14] <bekks> Those are two totally different tools.
[19:15] <bekks> dist-upgrade does not upgrade your distro from from release to another, and never did that.
[19:16] <ali1234> correct. when dist-upgrade was created there was *no tool* to upgrade your release
[19:16] <ali1234> you had to do it by hand
[20:04] <vlyalcin> hi to all, I am getting error during "sudo apt-get update" command
[20:04] <vlyalcin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21047559/
[20:04] <vlyalcin> could you help me to update the source.list file?
[20:05] <alkisg> vlyalcin: grep -r ubuntu-mate /etc/apt/sources.list*
[20:05] <Akuli> vlyalcin, run this and pastebin: env lang=C sudo apt-get update
[20:05] <alkisg> You'll see there where ubuntu-mate-dev is, in order to remove it
[20:05] <Akuli> i want to see the error messages in english first
[20:07] <vlyalcin> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21049589/
[20:07] <ali1234> you did a release upgrade right?
[20:08] <alkisg> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-mate-dev-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-mate-dev-ubuntu-trusty-mate-xenial.list
[20:08] <ali1234> you have ppas on your system which don't contain packages for your release
[20:08] <ali1234> you need to remove them
[20:09] <ali1234> you might not want to just rm them though, because you might want to remove any old ppa packages which are installed first
[20:09] <ali1234> so you might want to ppa-purge them instead
[20:09] <vlyalcin> ali1234: Actually I installed mistakenly the mate desktop while I was trying to install xrdp
[20:09] <vlyalcin> But I want to save with short way my system
[20:09] <ali1234> oh, did you follow an old guide that told you to add those ppas?
[20:09] <vlyalcin> I will try to continue with mate
[20:14] <vlyalcin> alkisg: greate! thank you it is ok now
[20:15] <vlyalcin> Akuli: thank you
[20:15] <vlyalcin> ali1234: thank you
[20:15] <alkisg> vlyalcin: you're welcome
[20:16] <vlyalcin> will I miss any package with using mate?
[20:17] <vlyalcin> is there big different with xenial repo?
[20:17] <ali1234> no it is exactly the same thing
[20:17] <alkisg> mate is a good desktop environment, you won't miss anything. Xenial is 16.04, all Ubuntu flavors are "xenial" now.
[20:19] <vlyalcin> what was the default one?
[20:19] <vlyalcin> gnome?
[20:19] <ali1234> unity
[20:21] <vlyalcin> ok then, I will keep trying the mate environment
[20:21] <vlyalcin> thank you again
[20:28] <SCHAAP137> mate is nice indeed
[20:34] <jcjordyn120> hey
[20:34] <CircularLogic> hi :D
[20:37] <jcjordyn120> how are you doing CircularLogic
[20:38] <CircularLogic> fine thanks
[20:38] <jcjordyn120> welcome
[22:26] <jcjordyn120> .btc