[00:32] <ubuntu_> I am wondering if there is a Xen virtualization software download for ubuntu that one can apt-get?
[00:33] <sarnold> ubuntu_: "apt-cache search xen" should report the packages that are availab
[00:38] <ubuntu_> well i am on 14 version of ubuntu and i see there is xen-tools but other then that not to much for xen
[00:38] <ubuntu_> Also kind of curious what currently for virtualization software is  the major players?
[00:39] <ubuntu_> i have used vbox, kvm / qemu , virtual pc but never fully used vmware all that much or xen
[00:40] <ubuntu_> And curious if i am missing any major players
[00:40] <sarnold> vmware esxi is popular, but apperas to be losing ground to openstack installations
[00:41] <sarnold> but openstack is a bit of a beast, I don't think I'd want to start with openstack unless I had more than a dozen machines to work with
[00:41] <teward> sarnold: VMware ESXi is also not Ubuntu-based virtualization software, it's a full hypervisor
[00:41]  * teward has two :P
[00:41] <teward> it's also not cheap if you need more than the basic features heh
[00:41] <sarnold> teward: oh thanks for reminding me
[00:42] <sarnold> ubuntu_: there's also microsoft hyperv. I don't know anything about it.
[00:42] <teward> ESXi is designed for bare-metal installation, turning a whole server into a virtualization platform.  Also more Windows-centric for management tools
[00:44] <teward> sarnold: I'm not a fan of HyperV.  A few issues cropped up using Ubuntu / Linux inside it if you have the most recent kernels
[00:44] <teward> though that may just be HyperV-specific oddities
[00:44] <teward> also needs Windows as your host OS
[00:45] <ubuntu_> hyper-v i thought only runs on microsoft its a microsoft hypervisor version 1
[00:45] <sarnold> ahh see I'm already learning, I thought it was a stand-alone tool :)
[00:45] <teward> heheheh
[00:45] <teward> sarnold: we all learn every day.
[00:45] <teward> ubuntu_: you're right.  As a University student, I have multiple Win Server copies where I Tested HyperV
[00:46] <teward> now I just keep it for the fileshares 'cause I need Windows-based fileshares for a few things on my network.
[00:46] <teward> that said, I have two VMware ESXi hypervisors.  And VMware Workstation on my 14.04 laptop running Desktop Edition of Ubuntu
[00:46] <teward> CPU / RAM are evil issues on Workstation
[00:47] <teward> ESXi is kinder but requires dedicated hardwsare
[00:47] <ubuntu_> Ok so what is the hardest virtualize software in your opinon to  get uses to or become good at using
[00:47] <teward> hardest to get used to?
[00:47] <teward> qemu/kvm without the gui virt manager.
[00:47] <teward> but that's my own two cents
[00:47]  * teward is a power user and is fairly familiar with a bunch of different evilsystems
[00:48] <ubuntu_> really more difficult the vmware
[00:48] <teward> ubuntu_: each person finds different systems to be more or less difficult
[00:48] <teward> my headaches were centered around what worked for me, and what solutions I could get and deploy fairly easily
[00:48] <teward> for me that was VMware 'cause I get student discounts (YAY!)
[00:49] <teward> but also because I Have two 24GB-RAM servers I can drop a lot of VMs on
[00:49] <teward> (23 active across both servers, and counting)
[00:49] <ubuntu_> Also for hypervisor i have seen  it looks pretty easy to uses the gui form but i had an os that i was setting up hypervisor and it just gave me a blue screen with 8 options to configure where they hell is the gui part for hypervisor
[00:49] <teward> FYI, we should probably move to a support room
[00:49] <teward> sarnold: unrelated, I have an apparmor 'best practices' question, wrt bind9, should I ask that in -hardened, or -server?
[00:50] <teward> s/apparmor/apparmor \/ /
[00:51] <sarnold> teward: hmm, either I guess :) or #apparmor on oftc, haha
[00:51] <teward> lol
[00:51] <teward> sarnold: or #bind here lol
[00:54] <teward> sarnold: main reason for asking is the AA profile in 16.04 annoys me and breaks migrating configs as is from a 14.04 server, so...
[00:54] <teward> :P
[00:55] <teward> may as well hunt down best practices now, adapt apparmor accordingly, and 'LOCK IT ALL DOWN'
[00:55] <teward> :P
[16:00] <smoser> o/
[16:00] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:00] <powersj> o/
[16:00]  * smoser is charing 
[16:00] <smoser> or chairing even
[16:01] <cpaelzer> charity
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01] <rharper> cpaelzer: =)
[16:02] <smoser> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 26 16:02:02 2016 UTC.  The chair is smoser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <smoser> Welcome back my friends
[16:02] <smoser> to the show that never ends
[16:02] <smoser> we're so glad you could attend
[16:02] <smoser> come inside, come inside
[16:02] <smoser> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <smoser> no action points. this is good.
[16:03] <smoser> #topic Yakkety Development
[16:03] <smoser> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[16:04] <smoser> there is alpha2 for opt-in flavors this week.
[16:05] <cpaelzer> regarding FF, since we weren't sure before
[16:05] <cpaelzer> FYI: We just this week got confirmed that the Open Vswitch branching of 2.6 will be on 1st of August and thereby should work on without FFE. jamespage planned to do an early OVS package as soon as they branched and dpdk 16.07 should be kind of ready til then.
[16:05] <smoser> the bigger release point was last thursday, with 16.04.1
[16:05] <smoser> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/07/21/ubuntu-16-04-1-lts-released/
[16:06] <smoser> and, yeah, as cpaelzer said. feature freeze is August 18.
[16:06] <smoser> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:06] <smoser> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:06] <smoser> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-y-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:07] <smoser> wow.
[16:07] <smoser> bug 1604128
[16:08] <smoser> With a recent update of python from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2, the pathlib.Path.path property is gone.
[16:08] <smoser> reportedly that happened from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2. i woudl nto have expected that
[16:09] <smoser> please take a look at those 2 urls, if you see something there that you could help triage or fix, please do
[16:09] <rharper> smoser: wow
[16:09] <smoser> so we'll move on.
[16:09] <smoser> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:10] <smoser> is this topic still valid to point at caribou ?
[16:10] <smoser> he's not her, so we'll go on.
[16:10] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team
[16:10] <powersj> New CI job structure in place, allowing for matrix runs across different architectures and breaking out tests in YAML for better scaling/organization. This mornings runs were red, but I have fixed all those up now. I am still trying to find a better way of not testing in production :)
[16:10] <powersj> cloud-init migration to git means CI is broken for git related merges/commits. The LaunchPad plugin does not support git. I have filed LP#1606394 to see if anyone has any thoughts or advice on how to get started with that. This will take some work.
[16:11] <powersj> External Jenkins is possible, but our URL would need to change (https://jenkins.canonical.com/server), any objections to that? This may mean a day or so of downtime while I update the slaves. If I hear nothing I am going to request the migration to an external address
[16:11] <smoser> i have no issue with updating urls.
[16:11] <powersj> ok
[16:11] <powersj> and note my issue with git CI :)
[16:12] <rharper> powersj: +1 on the update
[16:12] <smoser> powersj, thanks for filing bug. yeah. i'll look a bit there too.
[16:13] <smoser> anyone have anything for powersj ?
[16:14] <smoser> moving on
[16:14] <smoser> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:14] <smb> Not much to report. Currently trying to fix some stupid bcache on ppc64le problem
[16:15] <smoser> ah. nice. do you have a bug number?
[16:15] <smoser> this is from curtin's vmtest ?
[16:15] <smb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1602299
[16:15] <smoser> thank you smb.
[16:16] <smoser> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:16] <smoser> anyone have anything here?
[16:16] <smoser> or
[16:16] <smoser> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:16] <smoser> i dont know of anything coming up... anyone else ?
[16:17] <smoser> and going on...
[16:17] <smoser> #topic Open Discussion
[16:17] <smoser> i'll throw in an announcement / topic here.
[16:17] <smoser> cloud-init is in the process of
[16:17] <smoser> a.) moving to launchpad git for its version control system
[16:18] <smoser> b.) targetting a release of 0.7.7 after long time
[16:18] <smoser>  https://launchpad.net/cloud-init/+milestone/0.7.7
[16:18] <smoser> if you are aware of bugs you think need fixing there, please let me knwo.
[16:18] <teward> wow I'm horribly late to the server team meeting heh.
[16:19] <smoser> the goal is to do release on the 4th of august
[16:19] <smoser> teward, you are horribly late. but if you grovel sufficiently you may be forgiven.
[16:19]  * smoser updates the 'Expected' release date there to not be a saturday
[16:19] <smoser> anyone have aything else for open topics ?
[16:19] <smoser> if not...
[16:19] <smoser> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:22] <smoser> ok... so one wekk from today is Tuesday August 2
[16:22] <smoser> Tue Aug  2 16:00:00 UTC 2016
[16:23] <smoser> Tue, 02 Aug 2016 16:00:00 +0000
[16:23] <smoser> #endmeeting
[16:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 26 16:23:10 2016 UTC.
[16:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-26-16.02.moin.txt
[16:23] <teward> smoser: didn't get a chance to say it, but working on the nginx merge still - rebuilding the delta is tricky, 'cause I apparently missed things off the changelogs...
[16:23] <smoser> teward, thanks!
[16:23] <teward> won't be here next week for the meeting, will send to the ML though if any major news comes in
[16:23] <teward> not sure it'll land before FF though
[16:23] <teward> (we're all busy, and the delta 'redo' needs a second set of eyes before i'm comfortable including)