[04:05] <infinity> tjaalton: Trusty dailies with hwe-x should be popping out in about 3hr.
[04:05] <infinity> tjaalton: I do have a concern that you dropped a bunch of video drivers from video-all for this backport.
[04:06] <infinity> tjaalton: While dropping support for those in xenial was fine, I'm concerned when we upgrade users who installed with hwe-u/v/w to hwe-x, they may not have a video driver anymore.
[05:46] <Mirv> Qt 5.6.1 ongoing. It will be stuck in proposed for a while, Kubuntu folks will now start uploading their updates that will then sort out the autopkgtest problems.
[05:52] <tjaalton> infinity: ok, easy to add back
[05:57] <jbicha> is Kubuntu skipping Alpha2 then?
[05:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: the Lubuntu team is ready for an LXQt image to be spun up on a daily basis, so we can start getting it to work, we have the *qt* seeds (not bolded, wildcards on both sides) ready to go, and we just need an image spun up now
[06:00] <tsimonq2> infinity: I don't know much about how seeds work, but if you have any questions about the Qt/LXQt ones, let me know
[06:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: and can we just get desktop for now until we do some testing and further manipulation of the seed?
[06:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: also, if it matters, can it be something like lubuntu-next instead of lubuntu-qt?
[06:07] <Mirv> jbicha: if you asked regarding the Qt, they are fine it being in the proposed and I guess it will take more than two days for everything to be resolved (but they can at least start now)
[07:49] <yofel> jbicha: yes, kubuntu is skipping a2. There's no point in testing the current archive state
[07:50] <yofel> on a side note: did the discussion about adding ~ubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-transition-trackers ever get anywhere?
[10:42] <sil2100> Hello release team!
[10:42] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#address-book-app
[10:43] <sil2100> address-book-app fails to migrate because of arm64 left-over binaries, but those were only in -proposed
[10:43] <sil2100> I reverted the addition of those binaries as they caused uninstallability issues currently
[10:43] <tsimonq2> infinity: seems like a little bit more work than just asking someone to do it, right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors says a couple of things such as getting an IS signoff, but since we already have a set of images, what out of that page would still need to be done?
[10:43] <sil2100> Could anyone just remove those old binaries? Otherwise it won't migrate
[10:43] <sil2100> And we won't enable arm64 binaries on it until we won't get unity8 arm64 building
[11:28] <apw> sil2100, that then is just NBS in yakkety-proposed ...
[11:35] <sil2100> Well, proposed migration doesn't want to let it through now
[11:36] <sil2100> Just want it to migrate, as the arm64 binaries never went out of -proposed and should not exist
[11:36] <apw> sil2100, sorry yes, and that will jam up indeed, i am confused that the new one still builds on arm64, i thought that was to revert it
[11:36] <apw> (not that primary binary packages, but still some qt* ones)
[11:39] <apw> oh ok, they are pre-existing ignore me
[12:01] <apw> sil2100, ok should be gone
[12:05] <sil2100> apw: thanks!
[12:05] <sil2100> :)
[12:06] <Laney> yofel: I've invited them - you need the DMB to approve the invitation
[12:27] <rbasak> yofel, Laney: done
[12:28] <yofel> \o/
[12:29] <tsimonq2> rbasak: seems you are on the DMB, so let me ask you. Is the process complicated if a flavor wants to have another image built? Does it have to go through IS and everything that is on the wiki page even if the flavor already has some images?
[12:30] <tsimonq2> rbasak: (wiki page I'm talking about is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors )
[12:31] <rbasak> tsimonq2: sorry, that's not really a DMB thing. I think it probably falls under the release team, so try asking on the ubuntu-release ML if you don't get an answer here.
[12:31] <tsimonq2> rbasak: oh so it isn't? good to know, thanks
[12:32]  * tsimonq2 's definition of DMB is probably mixed up, Googling
[12:33] <tsimonq2> yeah sorry rbasak, confused DMB with tech board :)
[12:34] <rbasak> Ah, yes. It's presumably either under the release team's remit, or falls back to the TB if not. In practice, you'll probably end up with someone on both teams to handle it :)
[12:36] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I pinged Adam earlier, he's on both, so I think that's a safe bet :)
[15:10] <Dataforce> Hey all - when are 14.04 users going to start being prompted for 16.04? I was expecting it last week but http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts still just lists trusty and I'm not seeing the prompts or getting a release prompt from `do-release-upgrade` (I know I could use -d to force it but that's not the point ;))
[15:12] <apw> Dataforce, i know it was not enabled immediatly, that the decision was going to be made early this week
[15:14] <Dataforce> apw: ah ok thanks, I'm just wondering when it'll happen so that I can monitor our mirror server for the (presumed) extra traffic
[16:21] <jibel> infinity, upgrade tests are done, nothing to report. and it worked on preinstalled 14.0 'on dell too
[16:22] <jibel> infinity, I think it's good to open the upgrade to 16.04.1
[16:26] <infinity> jibel: That was a much more promising (and boring) report than I was expecting.
[16:26] <infinity> jibel: But thanks!
[16:26] <flocculant> infinity jibel: I know that I've at least tested for me upgrading - have other flavours at least checked?
[16:27] <flocculant> I'd have hoped so - but I rarely saw anything on the tracker
[16:36] <jbicha> UGNOME has a tester who did upgrade testing and he didn't report any issues
[16:52] <tsimonq2> I personally tested with Lubuntu
[16:56] <tsimonq2> infinity: speaking of Lubuntu, how would I go about getting that image built?
[16:59] <infinity> tsimonq2: Merge proposals for livecd-rootfs and debian-cd, for a start.
[17:00] <infinity> s/debian-cd/ubuntu-cdimage/
[17:00] <infinity> Brain not awake yet.
[17:00] <tsimonq2> alright
[17:03] <tsimonq2> yay, Bazaar... :P
[17:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: do you need me to make a debian/changelog entry on livecd-rootfs?
[17:05] <tsimonq2> I'm assuming not?
[17:06] <ogra_> your commit should have a changelog entry ... against UNRELEASED
[17:06] <tsimonq2> alright thanks ogra_
[17:17] <tsimonq2> there: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202
[17:17] <tsimonq2> I don't have experience with this so let me know how I did :P
[17:44] <tsimonq2> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301203 and https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202 is good to go, what now?
[17:49] <bdmurray> infinity: When are you thinking about making the meta-release change?
[18:08] <tsimonq2> infinity: what's the ETA for getting Alpha 2 prepared? (iso.qa.ubuntu.com etc.)
[18:35] <infinity> tsimonq2: Dunno.  Note the complete lack of anyone signing up to do A2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseTaskSignup
[18:36] <tsimonq2> infinity: Lubuntu is, putting Lubuntu there
[18:36] <tsimonq2> oh I see
[18:37] <tsimonq2> infinity: I can do it if you are fine with it, although I'm not *officially* a release manager
[18:37] <tsimonq2> (the checklist tracking)
[18:40] <tsimonq2> infinity: I just helped flexiondotorg for Alpha 1
[18:40] <tsimonq2> in addition to that, I don't know who *can* do Nusakan publishing
[18:40] <tsimonq2> I can't
[18:41] <flocculant> tsimonq2: that'd be someone canonical'ish
[18:42] <tsimonq2> flocculant: you talking about Nusakan or checklist tracking? because I can totally do the latter
[18:42] <flocculant> you were asking about publishing
[18:42] <tsimonq2> flocculant: I was just sort of pointing out the former
[18:42] <tsimonq2> yeah sorry
[18:43] <flocculant> there's not been an A2 message on release either I see
[18:43] <tsimonq2> flocculant: you think it's too late to send a message and ask who's participating?
[18:43] <flocculant> not that it actually affects Xubuntu
[18:44] <flocculant> tsimonq2: of course it is - gets to the list today, wait for timezones, it's thursday
[18:44] <tsimonq2> flocculant: yeah so I don't know if it's too late :(
[18:45] <flocculant> people need to actually do the flavour stuff - the mail from 'canonical' about all that is at least 4 cycles old I'm sure
[18:45] <tsimonq2> about?
[18:45] <tsimonq2> you talking about checklist tracking?
[18:46] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-December/003166.html
[18:48] <flocculant> it's been like that for a while now, so trying to catch up 2 days before release seems a bit silly
[18:48] <flocculant> and I'm not pointing nor talking about you specifically :)
[18:48] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[18:48] <tsimonq2> so what do you suggest happens from here, flocculant?
[18:49] <flocculant> tsimonq2: nothing to do with me - I said weeks ago we're not bothering till Final ;)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> alright flocculant :)
[18:49] <flocculant> part of *my* reasoning was all of this - some flavours make the effort - others don't
[18:50] <tsimonq2> for the time being, I'll put my name on Alpha 2's checklist tracking, and if anyone has a problem with that, please let me know ASAP
[18:50] <flocculant> in fact iirc it has been Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu and Mate doing all the running for flavours
[19:47] <infinity> tsimonq2: FWIW, I'm inclined to agree with flocculant on this.  If no one thought to volunteer, put out a call for participants, etc, until Tuesday, I'd be inclined to just skip it.  Too little, too late.  There's no obligation to do pre-beta-2-milestones.
[19:48] <infinity> tsimonq2: Yes, Canonical can hunt down someone to do the backend bits if the community wants to do them, but the contract there was that the community had to step up and drive the process.  That really didn't happen here.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> infinity: I wasn't aware of this so I had no idea. It would be great if Lubuntu could release an Alpha 2 image but if it can't happen, I understand
[19:50] <wxl> i'd be shocked if at least mate doesn't want in
[19:50] <tsimonq2> yeah
[19:51] <flocculant> that's not the point thought is it
[19:52] <tsimonq2> flocculant: how so?
[19:52] <flocculant> it's Tuesday and no-one bothered to start the ball rolling last week
[19:52] <flocculant> really not hard to understand tsimonq2
[19:53] <flocculant> yes there was other things happening - but it's just an e-mail to do that
[19:54] <rbasak> I wonder if it would help this kind of thing if there were a flavor lead on the release team generally looking after non-Canonical flavors. Did that help when we had that in the past?
[19:54] <infinity> rbasak: Did we have that in the past?
[19:54] <infinity> (The answer is no)
[19:54] <rbasak> Scott?
[19:54] <flocculant> rbasak: how would that help - surely a flavour knows when it wants to do something - if that doesn't get flagged up early enough - then they should shout out
[19:55] <infinity> We had member of the release team who happened to work more with a specific flavour than with Ubuntu (Scott and Jonathan), but they didn't go chasing other flavours and babysitting.
[19:55] <flocculant> rbasak: and last week was when I would have shouted if xubuntu was taking part
[19:55] <rbasak> I meant socially, rather than technically, if there's someone volunteering to think about these things. Just a thought.
[19:56] <infinity> We're trying to move in the other direction, though. ;)
[19:56] <wxl> i don't think chasing/babysitting is an issue that the flavors can't take care of. however, since they're often little teams, a little heads up would be nice.
[19:56] <rbasak> What direction's that?
[19:56] <infinity> The point of this contract was to allow flavours to step up and help themselves do something that, largely, many of us think is pointless. ;)
[19:56] <infinity> (To put it bluntly)
[19:57] <flocculant> wxl: surely the release schecdule is sufficient heads up?
[19:57] <infinity> I'd like to ditch all pre-final-beta milestones entirely and replace them with community testing parties, where people gather on IRC, order in some pizza, grab a few dailies, file a bunch of bugs, have a good time, but there's no milestone released.
[19:57] <flocculant> I used to add the dates to the xub trello tool, then later to the xub calendar
[19:57] <infinity> Because releasing blessed ISO milsetone images is, frankly, bad.
[19:57] <rbasak> I'm only suggesting something that would assist with helping flavours step up.
[19:58] <wxl> i'd say that's a fair notion infinity
[19:58] <infinity> rbasak: Sure, and anyone could do that, if they so choose.
[19:58] <infinity> rbasak: It's not the release team's responsibility to be a personal calendar, mind you.
[19:58] <rbasak> But anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on this. I just wondered if people thought that might help. Perhaps not then.
[19:58] <tsimonq2> to be honest, I've had my eye on this for a while, and it surprised me that *today* nobody was thinking about it
[19:58] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu could very well release Alpha 2
[19:59] <tsimonq2> *could* - we need release team support
[19:59] <wxl> tsimonq2: well it's a fair notion to expect us to figure out exactly who's participating and who's not ahead of time
[20:00] <wxl> in all honesty, doing away with milestones would be really nice
[20:00] <wxl> i think quite possibly it might lead to more testing
[20:00] <wxl> so many testers seem to wait until the milestone, which is really not ideal
[20:00] <wxl> it's the wrong effort
[20:01] <wxl> we need testing of a wider scope
[20:02] <infinity> wxl: Right, the counter-argument is that understaffed flavours can't test every day, so milestones provide a rallying point.  Hence my suggestion to just turn milestones into IRC beer and pizza bughunting day.  No pressure to RELEASE a thing, just find all the bugs you can and have fun fixing.
[20:02] <wxl> infinity: yes, but we could certainly test with the same amount of frequency
[20:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: devil's advocate: an excuse to procrastinate, if it's informal, they have the option to postpone
[20:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: whereas with a release it's more urgent
[20:03] <tsimonq2> just saying :P
[20:03] <tsimonq2> but I agree with the points made
[20:04] <wxl> i think it's worth a test some cycle
[20:04] <wxl> and a non-LTS one at that
[20:04] <tsimonq2> the question is, what are we doing *now* ?
[20:04] <infinity> tsimonq2: milestones are optional anyway (as is community participation in testing them), so...
[20:04] <tsimonq2> what's our plan?
[20:04] <tsimonq2> yeah infinity :P
[20:04] <tsimonq2> are we going to release Alpha 2?
[20:04] <wxl> i think the other flavor leads are probably afk
[20:05] <infinity> Depends on if you get responses to your mail.
[20:05] <infinity> But, honestly, by the time you do, you're leaving a day for spin/test/respin before release.
[20:05] <infinity> Which effectively means spin/release.
[20:06] <infinity> So, sure.  I could release today's daily as a milestone for you.  But that would be worthless. ;)
[20:06] <wxl> what about the others that seem to be signed up? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha2
[20:06] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:07] <wxl> flexiondotorg created that so i'm sure that means mate's in (hwich would be my guess anyways based on the past)
[20:09] <wxl> similarly kylin released an alpha 1 so i doubt they don;t want to release 2
[20:09] <wxl> my vote is to include the three of us and make a milestone
[20:09] <tsimonq2> I agree with that
[20:09] <tsimonq2> because we have a general idea
[20:09] <wxl> and follow it up with an email discussing that this will be the LAST TIME we do this without communication from flavors
[20:09] <tsimonq2> agreed as well
[20:09] <tsimonq2> infinity: thoughts?
[20:16] <infinity> wxl: Fair enough.  We can set it up for Lu/Ky/MATE.
[20:16] <infinity> wxl: I might have to find someone else to do the release bits for you on Thursday.
[20:17] <infinity> Laney: Feel like being a community release sucker for A2?  My hands are full with 14.04.5
[20:18] <infinity> wxl, tsimonq2: I'll set up the milestone and put in a britney block after I've found some lunch and such.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> thanks infinity, wxl's out to lunch too :)
[20:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: could you also please review those MPs when you get a minute?
[20:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: whatever Lubuntu Next images that are set up as a result of that won't go into A2
[20:32] <flocculant> wxl: not read the whole backlog - but xubuntu tries to push those likely to actually test to run dev/current
[20:44] <infinity> flocculant: Yeah, still need occasional install testing, too.
[20:44] <infinity> I do so love how all the critical installer bugs seem to be found and fixed a week before final release. :P
[20:49] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Yes. Ubuntu MATE is in for Alpha 2 :-)
[20:49] <tsimonq2> \o/
[20:49] <tsimonq2> hello flexiondotorg :)
[20:50] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, o/
[20:50] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: just setting up Mumble to go on LUP, but I'm glad that we're good in that area :)
[21:12] <flocculant> infinity: I do this every now and again http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-qa
[21:12] <flocculant> which matches up to the tracker
[21:12] <flocculant> trying to get people an easy way to see current status
[21:13] <flocculant> of course I really need a vbox column too :p
[21:52] <infinity> Alright, Alpha 2 set up.  Not going to impose the block or build the first images until autopkgtesting and proposed-migration have settled down a bit.
[21:53] <infinity> So, in a few hours.
[21:54] <flocculant> infinity: I try and find installer issues asap, but on the other hand - at least this cycle when Nick had moved on - I found install issues, but because no tracker home, hard to know who to tell
[21:54] <flocculant> in the end cyphermox idles in xubuntu-dev so pinged him I think
[21:55] <flocculant> I try not to hassle people in here as much as I can
[21:56] <flocculant> I kind of hoped that if 'bug' 'install' yaketty' people noticed
[21:56] <flocculant> if tagging bugs on tracker doesn't actually do much - that's useful info
[21:57]  * flocculant wouldn't actually (unless asked) tag a person or team
[21:57] <flocculant> kind of expect the tool to do that
[21:58] <flocculant> but it is hard out here in 'flavour' land to know what to do for the best
[21:58] <flocculant> wxl flexiondotorg might comment
[22:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: can you look at my MPs?