[03:26] <mapito> he guys
[05:40] <MooDoo> howdy all
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning davmor2, how goes it
[08:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: backwards recently it appears, worked on the new release for the phone then 16.04.1 desktop, now upgrade from 15.10 and 14.04.4 and next week 14.04.5 how is it not going backwards right ;)
[08:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: hows things there mucka?
[08:15] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:16] <davmor2> morning knightwise
[08:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah ok thanks, just ordered my copy of the official ubuntu book
[08:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: is that so you know how to do things officially :P
[08:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes, want to learn what this Ubuntu thing is...heard of it, never used it ;)
[08:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: that sounds like you yes, surprised you did get the official server book rather than the desktop one :)
[08:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know you'd like to learn about servers and how to use them too :P
[08:37] <knightwise> anybody ever read any covers of the linux voice mag ?
[08:37] <knightwise> is it any good ? Cuz the podcast is all about the brexit lately
[08:37]  * knightwise not interested in politics in a linux podcast
[08:44] <popey> i subscribe to linux voice
[08:44] <popey> but they haven't put out an ep in a while
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy One Voice Day! 😃 ❤
[09:19] <Azelphur> ali1234, don't suppose you're about? I spotted you've done work on minecrift and am having some problems?
[09:19] <ali1234> what did i do this time?
[09:20] <Azelphur> ali1234, well, I'm trying to help out a little gaming store, they've got a Windows machine running minecrift, but controller detection doesn't seem to work.
[09:23] <Azelphur> I tried wiping out the .minecraft folder, and reinstalling minecrift, but now for bonus points - it doesn't install. Says it installed successfully, doesn't add its profile.
[09:23] <ali1234> minecraft doesn't install into .minecraft any more
[09:23] <ali1234> they have this weird overlay system
[09:24] <Azelphur> I see
[09:24] <Azelphur> the profile still doesn't show up in the launcher, however
[09:24] <ali1234> that's because the profile settings are stored in .minecraft
[09:25] <Azelphur> Oh I see
[09:25] <Azelphur> is there documentation for this anywhere
[09:26] <ali1234> nope
[09:27] <Azelphur> happy fun times, so what am I supposed to do? :P
[09:28] <ali1234> i dunno.
[09:28] <ali1234> minecrift hasn't been properly supported for a long time
[09:28] <Azelphur> I see, is there a better/alternate solution?
[09:28] <ali1234> minecraft itself basically died when microsoft bought it
[09:28] <Azelphur> ah
[09:28] <foobarry> its the MS way
[09:29] <ali1234> still no modding API and now they only work on the xbox version
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> who didn't see that coming?
[09:30] <Azelphur> ali1234, seems like some people are still running it
[09:30] <ali1234> yes, i was able to install it recently, on linux, using old versions of minecraft
[09:30] <daftykins> morning \o
[09:31] <Azelphur> I see
[09:31] <Azelphur> ali1234, well that's pretty much what I'm aiming for here (only sans the Linux, sadly)
[09:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: I know these guys did okay but come on a whole day to them surely not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_O1A8PLxQU also as a serious answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiri_EDfU8U
[09:34] <Azelphur> ali1234, the thing I find weird is when I run the installer, it says it's installing to <path> it says it installed successfully, I look at <path>/launcher_profiles.json and it hasn't been modified
[09:35] <Azelphur> is that because of the overlay thing you mentioned?
[09:36] <ali1234> yes
[09:36] <Azelphur> ali1234, I see, can you explain the overlay thing?
[09:36] <ali1234> you know minecraft.jar?
[09:37] <Azelphur> yep
[09:37] <ali1234> the real one, not the launcher
[09:39] <ali1234> well with the overlays that file gets unpacked
[09:39] <Azelphur> I se
[09:39] <ali1234> then instead of injecting class files into the zip
[09:40] <ali1234> it creates an overlay with the new files you want
[09:40] <ali1234> then it says "load the base plus this overlay"
[09:40] <ali1234> all that is handled by the launcher
[09:40] <Azelphur> ugh
[09:50] <ali1234> does anyone here have a raspberry pi official display V1.1?
[09:51] <Azelphur> ali1234, so my guess is, it worked, then we nuked .minecraft, which updated to the new 'overlayed' setup, and killed it completely
[09:51] <Azelphur> sound right?
[09:52] <ali1234> yes, but it works fine with the overlay setup still
[09:52] <Azelphur> huh?
[09:52] <ali1234> you just need to properly delete everything
[09:52] <ali1234> i suggest formatting the computer
[09:52] <Azelphur> yea...I can't really format the computer lol
[09:52] <popey> nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[09:52] <Azelphur> :P
[09:53] <Azelphur> ali1234, I can delete .minecraft and run the minecraft uninstaller perhaps?
[09:53] <ali1234> maybe
[09:53] <ali1234> i don't know anything about windows
[09:53] <Azelphur> A quick google reveals it's the same as Linux
[09:54] <Azelphur> there's the launcher, and .minecraft, and that's all there is
[09:54] <Azelphur> so deleting .minecraft does it
[09:55] <Azelphur> I have been copying the profile across after deleting .minecraft, so perhaps I'll try not doing that
[09:59] <foobarry> bernie ecclestone's mother in law is younger than him :S
[10:00] <daftykins> ;)
[10:00] <foobarry> by about 20yrs
[10:00] <daftykins> :O
[10:00] <daftykins> sounds like a BOGOF to me
[10:06] <Azelphur> answer: minecrift doesn't create a profile for you any more - you have to create it yourself
[10:06] <Azelphur> progress!
[10:10] <daftykins> what's the timescale on the java one getting the chop, anyway? seems like the windows 10 minecraft has been lurking for a while but perhaps is behind on the content or something (i do not touch minecraft)
[10:19] <popey> jeb is still working on "pc minecraft"
[10:19] <popey> next update to be announced at minecon AIUI
[10:20] <MooDoo> oooo minecraft :)
[10:23] <daftykins> yawn :P
[10:23] <daftykins> who is jeb? :)
[10:23] <popey> lead dev
[10:24] <popey> Jens Bergensten
[10:25] <popey> they've put out some minor revision bumps recently, but there's some expected big changes in 1.11
[10:31] <ali1234> inb4 1.11 is unchanged except for a "get windows 10" nag screen
[10:31] <daftykins> that'll all be gone as of Friday (:
[10:32] <daftykins> maybe there'll be one more fiasco of how they remove that GWX app...
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> it's swap to 'searching your hard drive for your credit card number to upgrade to windows 10' message instead
[10:33] <daftykins> one of my clients with a Lenovo X1 Carbon is away right now so i can't do the 10 upgrade XD
[10:34] <popey> i wonder if they do drop the java version, and say "Hey, get the new version in the windows store"
[10:34] <popey> I can't imagine they'd be that daft though
[10:34] <ali1234> they clearly will eventually
[10:34] <ali1234> the android/xbox/windows 10 version already has about 4x the number of users
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> ms... not make daft decisions...
[10:35] <daftykins> if you've still got the local installer (if it works that way) i suppose you could always hold onto the last version?
[10:36] <popey> not if they deprecate it
[10:37] <popey> they could make the auth servers reject old versions quite easily
[10:37] <popey> and servers move on too
[10:37] <popey> so it would be come useless for anything other than local play
[10:37] <ali1234> and the auth code was patched out about 2 days after it was added
[10:37] <daftykins> oh ok, didn't realise it chatted online like that
[10:37] <daftykins> i thought you'd have working local and LAN still
[10:37] <daftykins> minimum
[10:40] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: big news! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kzeu7jb80oq0p6v/AACBL9YjVxxpzZCNc93-Th_ya?dl=0
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> the rasp pi take over of the universe proceeds according to plan...
[10:42] <daftykins> it's choking on music playback though right now, not sure whether it's cache related or it's just that bad at doing HDMI audio out o0
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> that sounds odd... i've never used audio on my pi but i've never heard of many problems with playback...
[10:43] <daftykins> nah i'm pretty sure it's the software
[10:46] <daftykins> wow my telco just text me to say AT&T in the US block their customers from texting us Guerns... how funky
[10:46] <daftykins> and all texts from t-mobile in the US aren't working to my number range XD highly impressive stuff
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> and the decision for this madness with sms is?
[10:47] <daftykins> decision to use it, you mean?
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> decision for american companies to deny the existence of your location
[10:47] <daftykins> just like how the UK gov likes to screw us over regularly too really i'd imagine :)
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> so international annoyances. yay \o/
[10:48] <daftykins> found it funny 'cause i can text them, but they can't reply
[10:49]  * zmoylan-pi remembers writing an sms server in 90s and finding all the telecoms companies in ireland blocked such software but wouldn't tell you that they did or why...
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> i'd send a messages for 2-3 hours and then it would just stop... no errors, no information
[10:50] <daftykins> must not have been on their whitelist :)
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> they swore blind they didn't have a whitelist
[10:50]  * daftykins winks
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> in the end i added a random time interval to every batch send so it no longer sent messages at fixed intervals.  that seems to have confused their software enough to not be noticed.  was only sending 3-4 messages per hour to engineers.
[11:11] <daftykins> wonder if the pi is choking because it's doing some samplerate conversion
[11:16] <daftykins> telco says they've been arguing their case for over a year with AT&T, hah
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> probably getting put through to the wrong number... :-P
[11:17] <daftykins> :D
[11:18] <daftykins> my calls to ebay yesterday amounted to being sent around the houses and being misunderstood at every single step
[11:19] <foobarry> you tried to speak to ebay?
[11:20] <daftykins> yep!
[11:22] <daftykins> some days when you log in, there's a box saying "enter your mobile number for security" and the nice little box has the Guernsey flag in it which auto populates "+44"
[11:22] <daftykins> putting a real mobile number in after that doesn't work, i had to change it to "United Kingdom" instead
[11:23] <daftykins> i know what you'll think - what's wrong with that? well, why bother to list Guernsey if it doesn't work
[11:28] <ali1234> why doesn't it work?
[11:29] <daftykins> fails validation, one sec
[11:30] <daftykins> just rejects our rock mobile number format and says "Please enter a valid phone number"
[11:30] <daftykins> so it's as though whatever validation they're doing on UK, isn't applied to Guernsey
[11:30] <ali1234> what's the mobile format?
[11:30] <daftykins> (0)7781 4xxxxx
[11:31] <ali1234> do you hae to enter the dialing code to call someone in the UK?
[11:31] <daftykins> the 44? nah
[11:31] <ali1234> and vise versa?
[11:32] <daftykins> how do you mean?
[11:32] <daftykins> i don't think anyone in the UK has to use +44 to dial our mobiles
[11:32] <ali1234> would i have to dial +44 to call you?
[11:32] <ali1234> okay
[11:32] <daftykins> it's just ebays system requiring it be there
[11:33] <popey> so you can't choose +44, and type in 77814xxxxx, like every other site?
[11:33] <ali1234> you might want to complain to this website as well: http://www.dialling-codes.co.uk/dialling-code-for-guernsey/
[11:33] <ali1234> i assume all the pages are autogenerated from a script
[11:34] <ali1234> and so this one is wrong
[11:35] <ali1234> maybe ebay uses libphonenumber
[11:35] <ali1234> https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber
[11:37] <ali1234> if they don't, maybe they should :)
[11:37] <daftykins> well that's only referring to worldwide compatibility
[11:38] <ali1234> you could send them this: https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHOODS.md
[11:38] <daftykins> popey: indeed, 7781 and 07781 plus the rest are rejected when Guernsey is selected
[11:38] <daftykins> but it was accepted fine once UK was selected
[11:38] <ali1234> what is the ISO country code for guernsey?
[11:39] <daftykins> http://dafty.rocks/stuff/ebay.png
[11:39] <daftykins> .gg ?
[11:39] <ali1234> GG yes
[11:39] <daftykins> in the above image the Guernsey flag is up
[11:40] <ali1234> libphonenumber accepts it
[11:41] <popey> daftykins: gotcha
[11:41] <daftykins> they sent me an email trivialising the issue to "here's how you change your phone number on ebay!" so i've replied attempting to educate them on the merits of actually listening to the actual issue rather than assuming
[11:41] <daftykins> 3 separate phone staff i went through, too XD
[11:42] <daftykins> i kept trying to say i was trying to report an issue with the site, but they all wanted to just see that i had the number on my account so everything must be fine!
[11:43] <davmor2> daftykins: actually most of us do without realising it.  any mobile that contacts you is +44 if it is a uk registered number and you copy that to your addressbook ;)
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> i miss my original psion 3a.  you'd put a phone number in and when you told it were the number was and where you were it would display and dial using a keyboard shortcut the correct number with all the needed country and area codes necessary
[11:45] <daftykins> yeah that's true, i've seen the difference between someone one-ringing you to share a number and it having the full format... versus if you just save starting from the 07781
[11:47] <ali1234> so heres a thing
[11:47] <popey> i save all numbers in my contacts with +NN MMMMM XXXXYYY
[11:47] <popey> have done for many years
[11:47] <ali1234> daftykins: did you perhaps originally sign up to ebay under a UK address?
[11:48] <ali1234> the form is asking you to confirm your number, not update it, so perhaps they think your number is a UK one. (perhaps they didn't have a separate code for GG when you signed up)
[11:55] <daftykins> i did wonder if it were rejecting the number as Guernsey based on matching it to my account, but none of their staff got that far in the logic so far
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: +1 it is useful for when you are out of the country that is for sure
[11:58] <daftykins> mmm i discovered that a while back
[11:58] <daftykins> international dialling is hard
[12:00] <davmor2> oh new car is in the local garage at last now I get to see the petrol blue for real :D
[12:05] <daftykins> on another topic it seems HDMI audio is to blame for my pi experiments, might have to be on to the devs!
[13:47] <diddledan_> moooorning
[14:58] <daftykins> diddledan_: what time do you call this!
[14:58]  * diddledan_ checks his watch
[14:59] <diddledan_> 4pm
[15:09] <daftykins> =]
[15:10] <daftykins> postie came with my pi at 9:30am!
[15:12] <diddledan_> :-o
[15:12] <diddledan_> omg that's early
[15:13] <daftykins> hehe
[15:13] <daftykins> bit late for them, usually 9:15 but there are some town festivities on right now
[15:13] <daftykins> i could hear a brass band from my windows at that time
[15:35] <diddledan_> http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/09/14-year-old-discovers-ipad-smart-cover-magnets-can-shut-off-pacemakers/
[15:35] <diddledan_> too much technology
[15:36] <daftykins> so Apple really do want to kill people
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> want to.. or just DO
[16:07] <daftykins> crazy old Dell with reclining mode cooler - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z7irva9kz3cqm72/AABwTaOsK6furOUkPekFgKsfa?dl=0
[16:07] <daftykins> sorta backwards design form factor too, always found them weird
[16:23] <diddledan_> damn that's dusty
[16:23] <diddledan_> butt ugly inside the box, too
[16:37] <daftykins> 'tis a 3GHz Pentium D 925
[16:37] <diddledan_> D for Disaster
[16:37] <daftykins> maybe so for looks, but 11 years on and it's still goin'
[17:30] <diddledan_> radom fella: https://youtu.be/7L0k2-kO_yc
[17:46] <daftykins> aww it's too old and rubbish to take a 45nm core 2 duo :P
[18:00] <davmor2> diddledan_: seriously you need help
[18:03] <diddledan_> :-)
[18:04] <daftykins> i considered this a safe haven from US politics ;_; how wrong i was
[18:05] <davmor2> daftykins: hahahahahahaha
[18:10] <daftykins> was it 'lm' for a CPU instruction flag to support 64-bit? i forget
[18:14] <ali1234> lm?
[18:14] <ali1234> you mean for gcc? -m64
[18:15] <daftykins> no there's a flag in /proc/cpuinfo that indicates whether it's a 64-bit capable chip
[18:15] <daftykins> i thought...
[18:16] <daftykins> nevermind, yes it is :D
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> Long Mode
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> is what that stands for
[18:27] <ali1234> ah
[18:47] <daftykins> oof a twitch user out playing pokémon in a public park got SWAT'd by a viewer, what an ass
[18:47] <daftykins> that's when they call the police and send them to your location claiming you have guns and/or bombs etc
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> that's what happens when you have phone networks that don't do proper caller id allowing for calls to be spoofed from any location
[18:54] <foobarry> some corporate spammer sent one of those "how about a call on friday at 11am" mails and forgot to bcc. cue mass reply all where load of eejits decide to put their oar in
[18:55] <popey> hah
[18:57] <foobarry> everyone replying all saying PLEASE STOP REPLYING ALL
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> the joys of out of office messages on those is fantastic
[19:00] <daftykins> hmm if you knew two people out of office and you faked the sender to one of the two, i wonder if MS have thought about that one...
[19:00] <daftykins> sounds like a bug from the last couple of years :)
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> and didn't they put up a sign that said 'out of office' in welsh after sending text for a sign to be translated?
[19:04] <daftykins> saw that story but i don't remember it saying it was MS
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> not the generic out of office message no
[20:14] <Welshman> Hi everyone in this channel/chatroom and I am Linux Mint user. Yes I do know this channel/chatroom is for Ubuntu users but the last time I visited I did receive answers/replies. So, I have a question and it is just one.
[20:14] <Welshman> How do I make sure that there are 'up and down' scrollbar arrows for each window and the Menu panel for Linux Mint?
[20:14] <Welshman> Look forward to any reply and I thank you in advance.
[20:15] <Welshman> Leaving channel/room for a few minutes whilst I await a reply. Thanks again.
[20:16] <daftykins> you're correct, take that to the correct IRC network and channel for Mint, thanks
[20:16] <daftykins> !mint
[20:16] <daftykins> you're on the wrong server
[20:36] <Welshman> Have just returned to check/to see if anyone has answered my/replied to my question. I can see know has yet. So, I will leave again for for a few minutes to play a game whilst I continue to wait for an answer/reply to my question. Thanks in advanced to anyone who does. Back as soon as possible. : )
[20:40] <daftykins> Welshman: you're in the wrong place, please go to the right place and stop using this as your resource
[20:41] <daftykins> Mint runs desktops that aren't necessarily even available in ubuntu, so it's wrong to ask
[20:55] <Welshman> daftykins: H and thanks for your reply. Also, the last time I visited the "right place" I did not receive an answer/a reply and that was after waiting for several minutes. I even sent a message to the 2 or 3 persons listed through private message. So, if you do not mind I will wait for a bit longer to see if someone will answer/reply to my question (someone 'new' might enter the channel/chatroom)! : )
[20:55] <Welshman> Will now leave again to carry on playing a game whilst I continue to wait for an answer/reply to my question. Thanks in advance to anyone who does. Back as soon as possible! : )
[20:57] <daftykins> and so the ignore is set.
[21:17] <Welshman> daftykins: Have just returned again briefly to check/to see if anyone has answered my/replied to my question. I can see no one has. So, I have a question to ask you. My question is: Do you know where else I can visit (that is channel/chatroom) so that I can ask my question other than the "right place"/#linuxmint-help or the Linux Mint forum? Appreciate any link or answer/reply. Thanks in advance. : )
[21:17] <Welshman> daftykins: Leaving again to carry on playing a game whilst I wait for your response. Thanks in advance. Back as soon as possible! :
[21:18] <Welshman> daftykins: *: )
[21:30] <diddledan> everyone watch dark matter - good series
[21:30] <diddledan> also, the expanse
[21:30] <diddledan> another good one
[21:31] <daftykins> i was watching The Expanse but i can't even remember if i finished the last ep
[21:31] <daftykins> i seem to be developing a habit for not finishing things
[21:31] <diddledan> lol
[21:32] <daftykins> hmm my mate has just called to say he's packed his wife off to Guernsey for a week and that her phone broke, so looks like i'm going to be performing surgery on an HTC One M8!
[21:32] <daftykins> :D
[21:32] <diddledan> \o.
[21:32] <diddledan> err
[21:32] <diddledan> \o/
[21:33] <daftykins> it requires more glue melting! https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/2YsuBPkZFkn3tTKp
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> give her a nokia 3310 as a loner... :-)
[21:35] <diddledan> eww
[21:35] <Welshman> daftykins: Sorry to disturb you. Also, have returned and can see that you have not answered the recent question that I sent to you. So, if you do not mind I will repeat it again to see if anyone else can or will answer/reply to it. Thanks in advance. : )
[21:35] <daftykins> i bet even dumbphones are having their batteries conk out these days
[21:36] <Welshman> daftykins: Back soon. Playing a game. Thanks again.
[21:36] <diddledan> daftykins: are you the point-of-contact for all help requests now?
[21:36] <daftykins> :D
[21:36] <daftykins> well this one was my mums i sold to his wife when they were last over, but really he asked first if i knew anywhere locally doing repair...
[21:36] <diddledan> nono, I was referring to the Welshman
[21:37] <diddledan> "I've just arrived. daftykins, you once said something to me so I'm going to badger you forever more!"
[21:38] <daftykins> haha he's stuck on a delayed Southern train heading back to Lewes where they have a place, we were just talking about that train co's woes the other day :)
[21:38] <daftykins> oh right
[21:38] <daftykins> yeah i ignored Welshman so he gets the message about being in the WRONG PLACE for Mint.
[21:40] <diddledan> aah, so you're not seeing him attempting to get you to reply
[21:40] <daftykins> ooh he'd badmouthing the Tories now
[21:41] <daftykins> UK politics go!
[21:41] <diddledan> \o/
[21:41] <daftykins> nope 100% ignored
[21:41] <daftykins> !mint | Welshman
[21:41] <daftykins> if you can't get support from them, perhaps you're on the wrong distribution
[21:42] <diddledan> ^^^ that
[21:44] <daftykins> oh my dear Tux no, you have to take the motherboard off to get to the battery!
[21:44] <daftykins> HTC might be even worse than Apple...
[21:45] <daftykins> brb let me find some old people with a pacemaker to test on...
[21:48] <diddledan> good question, that: how did the teenager discover that they're susceptible to ipads?
[21:49] <daftykins> i feel like that's a youngster with a large number of iPads for sale
[21:49] <daftykins> maybe some false teeth sets too...
[21:49] <diddledan> I wonder whether they tested on a live patient or if they just assumed
[21:52] <Welshman> Have briefly returned to repeat my question that I recently posted. My question is: Does anyone know where else I can visit (that is channel/chatroom) so that I can ask my question,*that I posted earlier, other than the "right place"/#linuxmint-help or the Linux Mint forum?
[21:52] <Welshman> *The following is my question that I posted earlier, just incase anyone is interested: How do I make sure that there are 'up and down' scrollbar arrows for each window and the Menu panel for Linux Mint?
[21:52] <Welshman> Thanks to anyone in advance. Also, back soon as possible as leaving room to play a game whilst I await for reply! : )
[21:53] <daftykins> since it's a kid, it can't have been much legit - maybe his own grandparent kept one and they saw it happen at home, or it really was a live one
[21:56] <diddledan> they might have had murderous intentions and once their plot was completed they published the issue to provide legitimacy
[21:56] <daftykins> "it weren't me guv, it was the fruity tech!"
[21:56] <daftykins> man shauno would not have lasted 5 minutes in here with us :(
[21:57] <diddledan> why use a small word when an infinitesimal verbiage readily suffices?
[21:58] <daftykins> which did you have in mind?
[21:58] <diddledan> I said that in response to my large-worded thing just before - lots of words like murderous and intentions and legitimacy. I got scared.
[21:59] <daftykins> oh yes
[21:59] <daftykins> you should have presented some beautiful alliteration
[21:59]  * diddledan runs away
[21:59] <diddledan> (screaming)
[22:11] <Welshman> Have briefly returned again to check/to see if anyone has answered/replied to my recently posted question and my earlier posted question. I can see that no one has. So, will now leave to search online to try to find an answer to my first earlier posted question and I will not be visiting "right place"/#linuxmint-help or the Linux Mint forum! But, I might return here again in the future. Thanks to all! : )
[22:16] <diddledan> smh
[22:16] <daftykins> mmm?
[22:16] <diddledan> Welshman
[22:16] <daftykins> still going eh?
[22:16] <diddledan> aye
[22:17] <daftykins> troll status confirmed
[22:17] <diddledan> anti-toll weaponry targetting
[22:17] <daftykins> i had some delightful racism in #kodi today, only we have no active ops there, know what #freenode told me to do?
[22:18] <daftykins> ignore and deal with it.
[22:18] <daftykins> they're ace
[22:18] <diddledan> ergh
[22:18] <diddledan> again, smh
[22:18] <diddledan> #WordPress gets painful at times, too
[22:18] <daftykins> ooh dear
[22:19] <daftykins> i take it that gets trolls questioning it as a 'product' despite all woes being from plugin security and admin maintenance?
[22:20] <diddledan> yeah, and folk that refuse to understand that if they have a commercial plugin/theme that we cannot possibly support them
[22:20] <diddledan> I mean, we could try, but we can't replicate their problem unless we pay for it ourselves
[22:20] <daftykins> oh dear, yep that's an all too common theme (excuse the pun)
[22:20] <daftykins> yeah - and dollars to doughnuts the dev might even have a newer version they've neglected to research :(
[22:21] <daftykins> i quite like that themeforest that'll email you when a plugin has had a security woe in a prior edition
[22:21] <diddledan> we seem to get a regular meme of someone saying "my friend bought it" which usually means "I downloaded it off a warez site"
[22:21] <daftykins> :(
[22:22] <diddledan> if the premium product had been purchased legitimately then there'd be some form of support entitlement presumably
[22:23] <daftykins> wow this amazon seller lists a number and i thought it was fake - 01212121214
[22:23] <daftykins> yeah that's true, so it falls to IRC hassle
[22:24] <diddledan> another one is people who ask how to do something that WordPress isn't designed to do out of the box and complain when they're asked to do programming
[22:24] <daftykins> :D
[22:27] <daftykins> hmm £17 battery then £7 express shipping, from Birmingham
[22:27] <daftykins> i guess free is what it is, then express they give 'em a compass and point south? :D
[22:28] <diddledan> wow, 50% on-top for shipping. that's impressive.
[22:29] <diddledan> I wonder how many sites quote 1-day shipping without noticing that you're an island in the middle of the pond
[22:30] <daftykins> oh totally, it's why prime would be such a joke here
[22:31] <diddledan> so. amazon. they have warehouses on the islands. do they ship from those to the mainland and then back-out to the islands again when your order is via there
[22:31] <diddledan> ?
[22:31] <daftykins> when i was leaving a clients today a huge guy got out of a shifty white van and struggled over with a huge amazon pantry box
[22:31] <daftykins> haha no they don't have warehouses on the islands
[22:31] <diddledan> o_O
[22:31] <daftykins> the UK goverment closed that no VAT under £20 loophole we had, so everyone closed up and moved next day
[22:31] <diddledan> oh
[22:31] <diddledan> they _used_ to then
[22:31] <daftykins> that was Low Value Consignment Relief or LVCR
[22:32] <daftykins> it was only play.com way back when on Jersey and HMV had their warehouse here
[22:32] <daftykins> also 7dayshop.com - who i've done pickups from, they had to move
[22:32] <daftykins> they'd not long had a purpose built warehouse here too :D
[22:33] <diddledan> yeah - I remember ordering a load of cheap DVDs off amazon several years ago only to have each one arrive in a separate jiffy bag. on the same day as all the others. by walking postman. I had the postie stood outside my place for 15 minutes pushing them through my letterbox one-by-one
[22:33] <daftykins> >_<
[22:34] <daftykins> was that with the 'group my order together' option too?
[22:34] <daftykins> mmm that was the loophole sadly :(
[22:34] <diddledan> indigo starfish was the name they went-under back then
[22:34] <daftykins> ah yes
[22:34] <daftykins> oh umm that vitamin one was locally based too, i went on a tour of their warehouse when i was in College
[22:34] <daftykins> Healthspan
[22:35] <diddledan> and yeah the order was set to "ship as they become available" which usually does the right thing
[22:35] <daftykins> presumably they've been knocked on the head too
[22:38] <daftykins> seller doesn't post to Guernsey
[22:38] <daftykins> raaaaaaaage moooooode
[22:38] <diddledan> seriously, why do they do that?!
[22:38] <daftykins> might have a deal with a courier that we don't have, perhaps - at least that's my best guess
[22:38] <diddledan> is it just to ignore the tax differences?
[22:39] <diddledan> hmm, maybe
[22:39] <daftykins> could be, they do tend to all say they include VAT - but when it's like £15 for a battery i never even bother
[22:39] <daftykins> like, woo i could get £3, or let them buy 3/4 of a pint ;D
[22:40] <daftykins> damn that was the best result yet :(
[22:42] <daftykins> ooh this one is from Hayes, we're getting closer and closer to the plane XD
[22:42] <daftykins> mind you they can't fly batteries can they :(
[22:42] <diddledan> damn
[22:42] <diddledan> that means slow-ass boats
[22:43] <daftykins> yeah :(
[22:44] <daftykins> haha, clients secretary tells me today that he's coming back to the island for 2 days right, so she booked the boat for him... £120
[22:44] <daftykins> Poole -> Guernsey -> Poole