[02:19] evening all [02:19] bluesabre! [02:19] Unit193: I'm on vacation this week, so I might actually make it to your meeting tomorrow! [02:19] Oh heh, ok. I guess that's one way to use vacation. :P [02:20] been trying to avoid everything [02:20] been nice so far [02:22] :D [02:58] bluesabre: I presume you read about x-d-s? [04:08] Unit193: as in, the latest commits, or? [05:00] bluesabre: Yeah, switching which user sessions we use. [19:25] !team | you have - assuming LP has a sensible address - a mail regarding topic in meeting today [19:25] you have - assuming LP has a sensible address - a mail regarding topic in meeting today: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [19:27] a recent mail? [19:27] I know for sure bluesabre's other address is better - I also I know I lost it :p [19:27] pleia2: about 2 minutes ago - and your's went to @ubuntu.com [19:27] ok [19:27] * pleia2 awaits delivery [19:28] * flocculant apologise for losing people's mail addresses ... [19:28] he would apologises but there were already enough s's in the sentence [19:30] krytarik won't get it, failed message [19:30] * krytarik sad face [19:31] I saw that one. [19:31] krytarik: sort out LP or @ubuntu then [19:31] Unit193: good - you'll really need it :D [19:31] He's not a member. [19:31] oh well that'll be why then [19:32] Want me to just forward it? [19:32] yea that's fine [19:32] I'm sure if I dug I'd find everyone's address [19:32] it wasn't till I saw the wall of text which would end up here an hour ago I thought about it [19:33] hey everyone [19:33] Unit193: on the other hand if krytarik was that concerned he's pm me :p [19:33] hey bluesabre [19:33] bluesabre: lost your smd address - you has @ubuntu mail [19:34] flocculant: I got it [19:34] k [19:34] blues@u.c is a-ok [19:34] :) [19:35] krytarik@u.c isn't :( [19:35] he should go for it imho :D [19:35] yes [19:35] krytarik: you got this [19:35] slow email is slow [19:35] didn't seem to go to spam either [19:35] pleia2: pm you're other one and I'll send it you [19:35] or here [19:35] lyz@princessleia.com [19:36] but lyz@ubuntu.com should work o_o [19:36] * pleia2 shrugs [19:36] pleia2: race on then :p [19:37] I know dkessel, slickymaster, bluesabre's work [19:37] flocculant: ty [19:38] pleia2: I did know the leia one of course - but forgot momentarily :) [19:38] no idea how ... [19:41] flocculant: If he should, ochosi certainly should... [19:42] Unit193: should what? [19:42] know? [19:42] and hey akxwi-dave (didn't mean to pass over your hello) [19:42] Go for Ubuntu memberships. [19:42] lol [19:42] Unit193: oh yea for sure [19:42] yeah ochosi :D [19:43] akxwi-dave: it's what happens when you are QA :'( [19:43] lol [19:43] cheers.. :-) === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster === krytarik is now known as Unit193 === TheMaster is now known as krytarik [20:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [20:00] Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:00] Meeting started Tue Jul 26 20:00:01 2016 UTC. The chair is krytarik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] So anyone here? [20:00] o/ [20:00] o/ [20:00] o7 [20:01] #topic Open action items [20:01] o/ [20:01] I just see items from knome and ochosi here. [20:02] that's all done [20:02] wut [20:02] except the jenkins stuff from ochosi [20:02] why's krytarik running the meeting lol [20:03] krytarik is Unit193 currently, maybe [20:03] ohi [20:04] knome: 'initialize voting on the council proposal on devel ML (week from now)' too? [20:04] yes, the council proposal... [20:04] not the council [20:04] note that the last meeting was in may [20:05] Okay, we can carry on unless you'd like to #done something. [20:05] I think we are surely now in a place to move on? [20:05] let's move on.. [20:05] eg my last mail on that [20:05] let me know what I can do to move that forward [20:05] no no knome [20:05] wut? :) [20:05] if anything [20:05] not move on - but move on on the council thing :) [20:06] we have their approval [20:06] yes, move on the council, and move on on the meeting too [20:06] #topic Updates and Announcements [20:06] og good lord [20:06] Next one I see is in Aug, FF so nothing soon. [20:07] ochosi is wrapping up the gtk 3.20 Greybird port [20:07] bluesabre, #info? [20:07] #info ochosi is wrapping up the gtk 3.20 Greybird port [20:07] Oh, and Debian picked up the Shimmer themes, splitting them out into separate packages. [20:08] #info GTK 3.20 will be included in yakkety probably sometime next week [20:08] aiui [20:08] #topic Discussion items [20:08] #subtopic Xubuntu QA (flocculant) [20:10] so what's happening about the council thing then? [20:10] flocculant, the list of tasks you posted on the mailing list [20:11] flocculant: That can be the next topic, if knome has something. [20:11] knome: ok [20:11] krytarik: ok [20:11] flocculant, i mean, i thought we had set the plans up already, we even have a blueprint :) [20:11] yea right ... blueprints .... [20:11] ok [20:11] :) [20:12] so QA thing is pretty simple - I assume people present have read the mail? [20:12] Yes. [20:12] yes [20:12] for the records in irc [20:12] I need a break. [20:12] Team have been sent a private mail atm detailing that. [20:13] I've not completely gone - in fact I will be here as much as I am now. [20:13] * pleia2 hugs flocculant [20:13] ack [20:13] breaks are good [20:13] flocculant, thanks for *everything* you have done so far [20:13] indeed! [20:13] but I'll not be mving things in the zeppedy zaphod zycle [20:13] +10000 [20:13] (and sorry for being too ignorant at times - probably more often than not) [20:13] sorry hexchat had crashed [20:14] akxwi-dave, no problem... you just dodged a lot of things being auto-assigned to you :P [20:14] I'm happy to come back - but the remaining members of team need to decide that with akxwi-dave [20:14] (just kidding) [20:14] :-) [20:14] wb akxwi-dave [20:14] ok seems missed a bit [20:14] it *is* a poisoned-chalice [20:14] akxwi-dave: not really [20:14] so to have some kind of plan [20:15] we're participating in beta2, right? [20:15] akxwi-dave: you have the irc pm and mail I assume [20:15] knome: I'll be here till the end of YY [20:15] that's why I am doing this now :) [20:15] knome: yes for B2 [20:15] so we can plan ;) [20:15] hey if I can survive 25 years of marriage ... :-) [20:15] flocculant, sure :) [20:15] flocculant: much appreciated [20:15] yes got the email anmd your pm this dinner [20:15] 2 seconds here [20:15] 1 [20:15] 2 [20:16] :D [20:16] just want people to understand that I am still here - and depending on what we do for the next cycle - I'll be about as needed [20:16] mhm [20:16] sounds reasonable to me [20:16] indeed [20:17] I don't care what we do - either muddle along for a cycle, let Dave run it, don't [20:17] * bluesabre gears up for unending development next cycle [20:17] I'm cool with it all [20:17] re: plan, if there's anybody that is interested in running qa stuff with flocculant this cycle, and potentially leading next cycle, now's a good time to talk :) [20:17] *cough* akxwi-dave *cough* [20:17] ;P [20:18] I'll be about for the next cycle still unless it all looks better - at which point there's no point in going backwARDS [20:18] oops [20:18] ohhhh ok as long as you get me that kfc [20:18] heh [20:18] Doesn't QA currently contain flocculant, akxwi-dave, and slickymaster? [20:19] i'm on the team as well... granted, not very active [20:19] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active [20:20] though i try to see my position to be an enabler... eg. making sure QA can have stuff they want on the status tracker [20:20] (where possible and realistic) [20:20] * knome saves his bottom ^ [20:20] good getout [20:20] * bluesabre claps [20:20] just for the record [20:21] QA as active is akxwi-dave and me [20:21] yeah, slickymaster has been away from all stuff lately, even docs [20:21] but akxwi-dave has been rather trained in the last few months :P [20:22] he would certainly get a vote from me as a team member [20:22] i'd agree with that [20:22] same here [20:22] and he would certainly get all the help he needed from me [20:22] Well, from me, I would be willing to stand in for a cycle, until flocculant come to his senses and comes back [20:22] but [20:22] akxwi-dave: \o/ [20:22] indeed, huzzah for akxwi-dave [20:23] and flocculant! [20:23] yes [20:23] if after doing it for a cycle - and deciding he wanted to carry on - I would not ever be in for any sort of fight [20:23] hahah :) [20:23] bluesabre: he's obviusly already got my vote ;) [20:24] I'd then leave team of course [20:24] I'm pretty sure he has everyone's vote. I thought he was in team. [20:24] * bluesabre looks to train flocculant for dev next cycle [20:25] krytarik, that's because he is. [20:25] ;) [20:25] :-) [20:25] Oh good, so my memory is only half failing. [20:25] * krytarik hides. [20:25] krytarik: he is in team - that was the WHOLE point of -qa [20:25] bluesabre, not the right time to say this, but i wrote my first (working) python script today... [20:25] krytarik: now I'm really not sure which you are lol [20:25] knome: congrats! [20:26] \o/ [20:26] grats as well [20:26] So looks like nothing more on this topic. [20:26] akxwi-dave: you need to sort out irc constant to deal with the non-yorkshire people :p [20:27] krytarik: one more thing [20:27] :-) [20:28] starts to look for his rasp-pi [20:28] can people please give akxwi-dave more real support than I have had when it really matters, I cannot say this enough nor loud enough - but if QA asks people to test something and people from Xubuntu Team don't bother - why the hell should they? It REALLY is not rocket science. [20:29] krytarik: and now you can move on ;) [20:29] I'll continue to do my best [20:29] same here - and i think that's the most one can promise... [20:29] pleia2 and everyone else: everyone does - but it is usually about 5% - you can test an iso in a vm [20:30] And of course, try to remember to report when you do. [20:30] or it is pointless [20:30] i always report when my test is appropriate for testing [20:30] No other topics? If not, announcements. [20:31] did we briefly brush over not getting anywhere with council ? [20:31] what we should try to do is getting random "testers" do valid tests and report them instead of telling us "it works" on the mailing list or social media [20:31] (but it's easier said than done) [20:32] or "it doesn't work but I don't want to submit a bug report" on list :\ [20:32] not sure what to do with that [20:32] flocculant, i'd still say the roadmap for that is in our knowledge, and now we just need to do things as we got the ACK from CC [20:32] flocculant, i've been AFK and busy so haven't been able to work on it after the ack, but i'll be on it as soon as i have time [20:32] thanks knome [20:33] knome: yea ok but [20:33] for the record: [20:33] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-July/011231.html [20:33] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-y-council [20:33] afaik we need to do the things I said then - shouldn't be hard [20:34] flocculant, nope [20:34] and I think we need to action them [20:34] and [20:34] pointless action anyone but knome for item 1 or it will just be interminable discussion and mails till it does [20:34] so [20:35] action knome point 1 [20:35] I am happy to argue once we have draft :p [20:36] :) [20:36] possibly worded that harshly [20:37] not what I meant at all lol [20:37] np [20:37] I think it's understood [20:37] progress is +1 [20:37] yep [20:37] well it is - just didn't meant it to sound harsh - the sentiment is right :) [20:38] if Xubuntu hasn't sorted this thing out soon, then I will nominate and then not be able to vote ;) [20:38] and it should be easy [20:38] really easy [20:38] i think we all agree on the general direction, and just need the more literal version for the strategy document [20:39] I did similar with the forum and that had 200k currents [20:39] once somebody (who can be me or somebody else) has the time to write that down, i think it's another easy vote [20:39] knome: yea - it's about bullet points from the mail I am sure [20:39] yep [20:39] in order [20:40] so 'power of statement' dilutes [20:40] the power should always lay in the hands of 'team' [20:41] they 'give' council power and should be able to wrest it away in times of duress [20:41] everything else should be 'tasks' [20:43] does that make sense to people? [20:43] cos - all quiet .... [20:44] sorry taking a long drink of IPA [20:44] i'm having problems focusing because $other_things [20:44] and yes.. [20:44] (which is why a long pause in replying too) [20:44] I admit, I wasn't really prepared for this topic [20:45] sounds reasonable [20:45] so I'll reread things to catch up, but it's hard for me to speak to anything right now [20:45] pleia2: it's been bubbling around for ages [20:45] flocculant: yes, I know, which is why I don't know what the state is [20:45] the state was "waiting on CC's ACK" for a long time, like a few weeks [20:45] pleia2: though it's not stated specifically [20:46] and as everybody agreed with the general direction, i don't know why they wouldn't agree with the final literal form [20:46] pleia2: recenttish was ack [20:46] i mean, i don't intend to add or remove any subject matter to/from it [20:46] but then there has been no response from anyone at all for 4 days [20:46] at all [20:47] hard to know if that's a [20:47] if somebody thinks something should be done, then they should have raised up concerns earlier, or do it now [20:47] carry on [20:47] sto] [20:47] stop [20:47] pleia2: and I don't mean that I expect immediate responses either [20:48] oh, I assumed we were just moving forward, my slience was assent [20:48] but neither have we had any 'wth is going on' responses [20:48] we have a blueprint for this, it's moving in the correct direction [20:48] pleia2: I played that game with the FC :p [20:48] hence the portion you liked ;) [20:48] same here I assumed we were waiting for the time to nominate announcement [20:49] knome: then I will take that as a +1 to doing strat doc changes [20:49] can we has vote here please [20:50] I'd like to know how long we should wait for a null to taken as a positive for any changes [20:50] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-May/011194.html [20:51] knome: so how long sensibly to get an agreed change between us for SD? 2 weeks? [20:51] I guess I'm just used to blueprint items moving along without revoting [20:51] I thought it was implied that we move along to the strategy document updates, again, I thought it was pretty much finaized [20:51] nobody replied to that, so i take the team is OK with somebody doing the writing part [20:51] knome: nods [20:51] pleia2: except we've not really used them for cycle(s) [20:51] and now that CC ack'd our draft, there's no blocked in doing that [20:52] flocculant: I still use them :\ [20:52] now we only need somebody to have time to write it [20:52] knome: do you think we can do our bit by eow? [20:52] we did use blueprints heavily last cycle; this cycle has been very slow generally, and not much has happened, which is why blueprints haven't got too much love either [20:52] i can't promise anything either way [20:52] ok [20:52] but it's possible, given that things don't go too much south [20:53] thanks for trying, knome [20:53] i should be "back at the office" next week, so at latest then i'll have time to work on that too [20:53] so we'll just have another meeting then [20:53] knome: ack - not pressuring you here - just you know :) [20:53] again it's just a task of making a bullet point list literal [20:53] no worries [20:53] if somebody else feels like doing it, go for it [20:54] knome: if you want me to take ti with someone else? [20:54] I've got time [20:54] (we'll likely end up doing one or two wording changes anyway, so no need to feel like to have to be perfect the first time) [20:54] yea yea [20:54] sure, it's up for "anybody" to pick up (assigned to -team) [20:54] has to be someone fairly active [20:55] e.g. people talking :p [20:55] well anyway, [20:55] speak to me in morning on irc and ill see if i can jumo in and help with it [20:55] bluesabre: do you have time? [20:55] akxwi-dave: okey doke [20:55] let's not stretch the meeting... we can figure out schedules with people after it :) [20:55] flocculant: yup [20:56] I'm on vacation this week, but generally available at most times or can make myself available [20:56] yeah, i'm technically on paternity leave this week as well (if my application is approved) [20:56] akxwi-dave: not dissing you, thanks for the offer, if I take this with bluesabre - it'll not be QA orientated :p [20:57] flocculant, no probs mate just wanted to help out if no one else available [20:57] howabout if we action bluesabre flocculant : reword SD for Council [20:57] +1 from me.. [20:58] #action bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. [20:58] ACTION: bluesabre and flocculant to reword the SD to formalize the council. [20:58] then move next meeting from slickymaster to either me or bluesabre and we can report it [20:58] alrighty [20:58] s/it/in [20:59] does that make sense? [20:59] I just want this to be sorted out asawc [20:59] \o/ [20:59] Not sure if it matters who is running, but flocculant you're before bluesabre. [21:00] flocculant, just put it in a pad, and point me to it when you work on it and i might pokey poke it. [21:00] yea I read :) [21:00] yup [21:00] (if you want extra set of eyes) [21:00] bluesabre: as you are now 'Day' could you start in a pad? [21:01] if -team fiddle can they at least let us know how did stuff~? [21:01] flocculant: Details after the meeting? [21:01] krytarik: ack [21:01] #topic Announcements [21:01] flocculant to schedule next meeting [21:01] Anything else? [21:01] #info upcoming date, Feature Freeze August 18th [21:02] nothing more from me [21:02] or me [21:03] #endmeeting [21:03] Meeting ended Tue Jul 26 21:03:03 2016 UTC. [21:03] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-07-26-20.00.moin.txt [21:03] flocculant: we can work from http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-council-sd [21:03] bluesabre: yup [21:04] lost all those etherpoad urls I had too :( [21:04] well have a good evening all... the wifes giving me bad looks .. better get the wine for her... [21:04] night akxwi-dave === Unit193 is now known as krycek === krytarik is now known as Unit193 === krycek is now known as krytarik [21:13] bluesabre: if you let me loose now for 30 minutes I can sort draft, then can look in the morning for your changes [21:14] flocculant: go for it, I'll use this time to see if my wife wants to go out or something :) [21:15] flocculant: So installs vs running dev. You end up basically just testing ubiquity, which is shared with all the flavors whereas if you run dev, you're messing around with it more and thus are more likly to break something. Right? [21:28] bluesabre: ok - done the basic stuff now - I'll look tomorrow, just make sure your colour is no green or I'll be back in the 11 cycle :p [21:29] I did add to the beginning ;) [21:29] hey folks [21:29] sorry i couldn't make the meeting [21:29] hi ochosi [21:29] s'ok [21:29] had a terrible thunderstorm here and water came in from the roof :'( [21:29] I took the mail I sent you originally an run with it a bit :) [21:29] ochosi: that's wet :( [21:30] yeah, i expected that, i would've preferred to be around [21:30] kid dry I assume [21:30] and sorry i didn't really respond to it, thought we would talk at the meeting [21:30] yeah, kid almost slept through it, although it was a fairly impressive thunderstorm [21:30] even volume-wise [21:30] ochosi: yea yea I know - on the + side I'm not ditching, just chilling for a bit and seeing what happens [21:31] sure [21:31] bluesabre: I'm happy with that - rip it on up now :) [21:31] anyway, gotta do some more cleaning up [21:31] then I'll rip your rips to rips - and we'll get a change [21:31] i'll read the backlog tomorrow and play catch up [21:32] ochosi: well good luck my friend - done that job ... as long as you are all warm and smiling tomorrow pm all is well :) [21:33] bluesabre: concept being the awkward one there [21:33] ochosi: HI. [21:34] Unit193: so are you Unit193 or kryten now? [21:34] flocculant: yup ,thanks! [21:34] and sry again, have a good one! [21:37] always [21:39] bluesabre: I've saved a copy of that pad, you can fiddle about - then mp it to the contributor bits of docs and we can go from there I guess [21:41] flocculant: I might be the vague one. [21:42] bluesabre: we could try and get a meeting time to suit us both, if it's a Friday I can stay awake ish [21:42] Unit193: really? [21:42] :p [21:43] bluesabre: better for you to assume I'm ~5 hours ahead [21:43] * bluesabre assumes GMT +/-5 for flocculant [21:44] flocculant: Unit193. :P [21:49] bluesabre: plus - wouldn't -5 from you be somewhere the other side of Hawaii ... [21:49] oh [21:49] missed the gmt :) [21:49] I'm currently gmt +1 [21:50]