[00:00] <daftykins> i think i can take some RAM out of the one i got today and turn the 6GB RAM core 2 quad into an 8GB RAM core 2 quad \o/
[00:07] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Any incinative, I run dual core athlons on 4 gigs of ram .. does well .
[00:18] <OerHeks> i putted in an ancient nvidia 250
[00:19] <OerHeks> well, not that ancient, but it is a big card, http://dragoncomputing.co.uk/estore/images/products/1015394081.jpg
[00:19] <OerHeks> and it works .. now i forgot my password n that testmachine :-D
[00:20] <OerHeks> good, now i have something to play with.
[00:21] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i would still work on this self-build machine, if i didn't got that i3 from my neighbour, he wanted to dump
[00:28] <daftykins> one of the machines won't even POST now :) time for bed at that i think! g'night all :)
[00:32] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:22] <Bashing-om> I am done ,,, see yall .
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[05:53] <OerHeks> heya lotuspsychje
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks how are you?
[05:54] <OerHeks> good, and you, hard working person?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> yes, very
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> but its good to earn some $$
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> the benefits of doing overtime hours :p
[05:55] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> website is building slowly..
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> my admin has alot of work
[06:30] <ducasse> \o morning!
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:36] <ducasse> going to work today?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> yep
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> late shift
[06:36] <ducasse> good, and you still like the job?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> but 4 days off this week, good news
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah sure, it will be perfect to combine with my business
[06:37] <ducasse> how so?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> now its summer season and doing 38h/week
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> in september it will drop down to 20H/week
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> so ill have more time to work the ubuntu shop
[06:38] <ducasse> ahh, i see. when do you think your shop will open?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> well ive started already, but alot of paperwork still
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> and website is building slowly
[06:39] <ducasse> are you open for business already?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> i can only start advertise when website is ready
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> officially yes
[06:41] <ducasse> so not aiming for a career as a chef? :)
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ill combine them as long as possible
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> its a sideway business, so less change of bankrupt
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> chance
[06:43] <ducasse> right. i saw the website you posted a link to, looking good imo.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah its just a default game theme for now
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> alot of work needed
[06:43] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:43] <ducasse> will you also be selling ubuntu phones/tablets?
[06:43] <ducasse> morning, OerHeks
[06:43] <OerHeks> yes, a website design costs time ..
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah ill try ducasse , but i cand find the bq 4.5 online anymore
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> ill try to re-sell the m10 tablet aswell
[06:45] <ducasse> me neither, i've been thinking of swapping out my android..
[06:45] <OerHeks> bq 4.5 and 5 and meizu 5 are all out of stock, meizu 6 will be announced soon i think
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ashame...why they let it run out of stock when so popular..
[06:46] <OerHeks> I think sales are disappointing ..
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:46] <ducasse> must be really tough to break through on mobile...
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> well ill try to change that
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:03] <OerHeks> ducasse, how would you like your troll, in the morning ? grinn
[08:08] <ducasse> $deity, this guy is something else...
[08:09] <OerHeks>  /home/Sync+ .. never knew a + was allowed in /home/username
[08:09] <ducasse> hmm, i thought it was limited to alphanum...
[08:10] <OerHeks> yes, i was just checking .. https://paulgorman.org/technical/presentations/linux_username_conventions.pdf
[08:10] <OerHeks> underscore and - and $ can be used too
[08:11] <ducasse> $? that's a bit surprising, actually.
[08:11] <ducasse> not that i ever imagine using it :)
[08:11] <OerHeks> yes, for me too, only at the end or in between, AFAIK
[08:12] <ducasse> the first char has to be a-z, or is that no longer true?
[08:13] <OerHeks> even --force-badname  cannot allow the +
[08:14] <OerHeks> yes, i think so
[08:16] <ducasse> hehe - "if you don't understand it, don't bother" :)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[18:42] <ducasse> "i read somewhere on the internet that..."
[18:42] <daftykins> :D
[18:42] <OerHeks> yeah ..
[18:43] <daftykins> we get this one in a UK channel that finds links to disprove you no matter what you say, even if they're 2 year old articles
[18:43] <ducasse> why don't people check their sources?
[18:43] <daftykins> worse still, it's a Mint user that refuses to go to the Mint server
[18:43] <OerHeks> i am having fun man.. reading tortib in #debian
[18:43] <OerHeks> claiming using debian :-D
[18:43] <ducasse> i think i remember him/her :)
[18:44] <OerHeks> Yes he has been with us all week
[18:44] <daftykins> what's he really using?
[18:44] <OerHeks> dunno, hanging in elementary and mint channel too, no sign of him there
[18:45] <daftykins> o0
[18:45] <OerHeks> actually, he is a little more polite with us than in #debian
[18:45] <ducasse> the mint crowd should support their own users :( if they think ubuntu is identical, why not use that?
[18:48] <daftykins> this one claimed they don't answer, so i guess it just lacks a community
[18:49] <ducasse> odd, wasn't mint recently #1 on distrowatch for quite some time?
[18:50] <OerHeks> distrowatch .. nice info, but statistics are not saying anything
[18:51] <ducasse> i understand it's just an indication
[18:52] <OerHeks> best way to measure is the number of users in a  channel, i think
[18:52] <OerHeks> but that could also be not true
[18:53] <ducasse> OerHeks: possibly. i wonder how many of the users in #ubuntu are actually on a derivative, though.
[18:53] <OerHeks> heh, 50%i think
[18:56] <daftykins> pesky liars!
[18:57] <daftykins> the best anyone ever claimed was of benefit to be on Mint was the default codec situation, which they've now removed...
[18:57] <OerHeks> not removed, just one click
[18:58] <daftykins> no no, Mint stopped bundling them in their install media because they don't want to do the testing anymore
[18:58] <OerHeks> oh, they get smarter
[19:00] <daftykins> clever mint!
[19:03] <ducasse> never saw a reason to switch to mint, perfectly happy with ubuntu. it's in many ways not a default install, i really like being able to install just what i need/want.
[19:03] <OerHeks> as we have mate too .. i understand
[19:06] <ducasse> i frequently hear people criticize ubuntu because of unity, but that's not a good argument...
[19:07] <OerHeks> those same people do not complain if a newer windows changes a lot of stuf, they like it without seeing it.
[19:07] <OerHeks> but whow, if ubuntu makes a turn ...
[19:09] <ducasse> it's odd, yes. they seem to accept anything from ms...
[19:09] <daftykins> i dunno, 8 made a lot of changes and everyone was up in arms over it
[19:11] <ducasse> sure, but look at the data gathering/"telemetry" thing - hardly anyone cares.
[19:11] <daftykins> right, and do you know why? because look at the actual truth behind what that's doing compared with the sensational articles about it
[19:12] <daftykins> were the articles about ubuntu and amazon searches not the same tinfoil hat wearing rubbish? yup
[19:13] <ducasse> i never looked that much into it, but i did read the eulas that were published, they were kinda scary. i've no idea what they _actually_ gather, though.
[19:13] <OerHeks> i hear nobody about musicplayers looking for lyrics/artwork that can be recorded too.
[19:13] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:13] <OerHeks> or VLC stats
[19:14] <BluesKaj> I was never a gnome fan or unity, KDE has always been my choice for a DE even on other distros
[19:14] <daftykins> ducasse: thing was Microsoft's agreements are covering their online services now too, so a lot of it is a blanket thing to cover it all
[19:15] <OerHeks> i liked KDE too, but after some troubles i went back to unity, though gnome3 is awesome too, if you take your time to get used to it. this is universal i guess for all desktops
[19:15] <daftykins> so just how gmail reads users email to provide targeted ads, so too can outlook.com - MS' free email service (new name for hotmail) so they write their agreements to cover reading your email there too
[19:15] <BluesKaj> OerHeks,  no doubt
[19:16] <ducasse> daftykins: that could be, it was still scary reading :)
[19:17] <daftykins> it is when taken out of context and sensationalised by today's clickbait journalism
[19:17] <daftykins> i can't defend all of it though, not being able to turn all the telemetry off is a shame
[19:18] <daftykins> but so far the things they've published have been about receiving system logs to see that a release day nvidia driver was causing problems, info on the apps people install from the MS store i think...
[19:18] <daftykins> i think i prefer to just live life than go about paranoid
[19:19] <OerHeks> "are there any paranoids in the audience tonight? ... pathetic.." i love pink floyd
[19:20] <BluesKaj> we still phone each other in our family,  email is seldom used even tho everyone quite computer savvy
[19:20] <ducasse> me too, daftykins, but i *do* read eulas before i accept them, and i'm wary of certain google products etc. personal choice, though, i fully understand that many don't care.
[19:21] <daftykins> guy in another channel doesn't believe that Microsoft will stop 10 being free this Friday
[19:21] <daftykins> i can see his point, but i don't think they'd make such a big deal about it ending :)
[19:21] <OerHeks> err today is the last day, isn't it?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> W10 is fugly
[19:22] <OerHeks> we got spam all over from dutch sites
[19:23] <OerHeks> "are you sure not to upgrade?" and "what to do to get a 10 license in your account with microsoft"
[19:23] <ducasse> daftykins: do you think i can upgrade a wine install to a full w10 licence? ;)
[19:23] <OerHeks> winetricks \o/
[19:24] <OerHeks> ducasse, sure, burn the wine iso to dvd
[19:24]  * OerHeks ducks
[19:24] <daftykins> wat
[19:34] <OerHeks> har har .. "we close this street, because there are too many pokemongo hunters .."
[19:34] <OerHeks> https://twitter.com/LPAntwerpen/status/758279964391268352
[19:34] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:35] <daftykins> oh my word
[19:35] <daftykins> Bashing-om: wb \o
[19:35] <OerHeks> hey Bashing-om
[19:36] <Bashing-om> Hey, hey .. what a day .. Let's see what happens in the IRC world .
[19:36] <daftykins> >:D
[20:03] <ducasse> is there anywhere new snap packages in the store are announced?
[20:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: A quick look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321161 ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327088 I did not see anything but maybe you can glean a hint ?
[20:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll read the rest of those tomorrow, thanks. it'd be nice if new snaps were announced somewhere, now we basically have to dig through 'snap find' now and then.