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OerHekssure, https://uappexplorer.com/apps?q=irc&sort=relevance01:42
GarettMcCartyOkay good01:42
GarettMcCartyI think today is the day guys :D the port of LG H811 / LG G4 TMobile01:44
GarettMcCartyOnce i am finished should i make a tutorial for noobs?01:44
GarettMcCartyOr document my process saying i am a noob?01:45
OerHeksyou better ask dobey or popey howto publish.01:45
GarettMcCartyIll make a repo and just upload a markdown document and post that link when i publish the image to XDA01:46
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ondraogra_ here, when is media1 around>?09:08
ondraogra_ to help him09:08
ogra_ondra, i guess he is US eascoast or some such09:09
ondraogra_ sure will catch him today09:12
ondraogra_ will check wiki if I can quickly add some build steps for iterations09:12
ogra_ondra, yeah, he is not very well versed in linux stuff ...09:14
ogra_prepare for some handholding :)09:14
raph_aeli'd like to open a bug about battery draining, but can't find a relevant category in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components09:19
dufluraph_ael: Please use project canonical-devices-system-image09:25
dufluraph_ael: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug09:25
raph_aelduflu: thanks09:25
ondraogra_ lol09:30
ondraogra_ we've all been there09:30
ogra_yep :)09:30
ondraogra_ BTW you should see my tyre after some aggressive driving in Romanian mountains :)09:31
ogra_did you run over some vampires at least ? :)09:31
ondraogra_ http://picpaste.com/425726579_14653084376221535104-WCu5W7jU.jpg09:36
ondraogra_ whatever I run over, my tyre did not like it at all09:36
jgdxdobey, hey, what are your thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-push/replace-dead-deps/+merge/30119509:37
ogra_ouch !09:40
dufluHave any devices been deprecated the last few months? I'm finding both arale and krillin on OTA-10 never see OTA-11 and don't upgrade09:45
dufluAnd I have to start on OTA-10 to work around an OTA-11 bug :(09:46
seb128duflu, what channel do you use?09:49
dufluseb128: Stable09:49
dufluStable OTA-10 can't see any OTA-11 to upgrade to for krillin and arale. Although mako can see it09:50
seb128there is no discontinued device afaik, maybe there is an issue with the channel you use or with the system-image service09:50
popeyduflu: what does "system-image-cli --info" report on device, there's also a dry-run option - "-n" I *think* which reports what it will do09:51
popeywe have had instances of devices not updating in the past09:51
popeyoften it's because the device was on a long-dead channel which was deprecated09:51
jibelduflu, nothing has been deprecated. Can you upgrade with system-image-cli from the command line in verbose mode and see if the logs tell something useful09:51
duflu# system-image-cli -i09:52
duflucurrent build number: 1109:52
dufludevice name: arale09:52
dufluchannel: ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en09:52
duflulast update: 2016-07-27 17:30:5809:52
dufluversion version: 1109:52
dufluversion ubuntu: 20160401.109:52
dufluversion tag: OTA-1009:52
dufluversion device: 20160331-e143fc209:52
dufluversion custom: 20160324-945-18-6909:52
dufluNever mind... I need to kill Unity8 and finish other tasks on it09:53
jgdxSaviq, the build still failed :s09:54
=== sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-12 phased upgrades in progress!
dufluCool. Just as I broke krillin. It needs a new image :)09:58
chrisccoulsonIs there an API for apps to enable the rotation lock?10:02
cariveriHi there. What SDK would you prefer to write an App for ubuntu-phone as well as androids ?10:03
chrisccoulsonOr to at least temporarily prevent rotation10:03
mcphailchrisccoulson: there's an API for html5 apps (I think) which the "Cut the Rope" game uses. For normal apps, you can add a directive to the manifest or desktop file (I can't remember which, off the top of my head)10:06
chrisccoulsonmcphail, so I guess what I really want to know is how the API for html5 apps works. It's certainly not using the html5 ScreenOrientation API, which isn't fully implemented in our webengine (and is the context for my question)10:07
mcphailchrisccoulson: I'm not clear on the specifics, but the code is in the cut-the-rope demo app, and can be browsed within the installed click package10:08
mcphailchrisccoulson: the chaps on #ubuntu-app-devel are the best people to ask10:09
greybackchrisccoulson: no, we've not added that api (yet). https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1382209 is the bug tracking that task. If you need it, we can try bump it up the priority list10:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1382209 in QtMir "[Enhancement] Add an API to adjust preferred surface orientation at runtime" [High,Triaged]10:39
chrisccoulsongreyback, ah, thanks. It's not important at the moment - I'm not entirely sure how many websites require it tbh (and I suspect it would be mostly games)10:42
chrisccoulsonBut it will be required for us to implement https://w3c.github.io/screen-orientation/#dom-screenorientation-lock10:42
greybackchrisccoulson: understood. I'll try to get it more focus10:43
robinherohey, which is the proper command to flash my phone without data loss, I don't want to wait for the OTA update :)10:50
cariveriwhen is the next OTA release by the way?10:52
robinherocariveri, it's already released10:53
robinherojust it's a phased update10:53
robinheroso If you're unluck, you need to wait about 20 hours10:53
cariveriI got OTA-11 on the phone an so far no updates offered. bq aquaris e5.10:55
robinheroas I said above, it is a phased updates, 5% of the users get the update in every hour10:56
carivericool. then I only need to hope that the network manager is updated/fixed too.10:58
robinherowhat's the exact bug? Do you have connectivity issues after leaving WiFi area? If yes, there is a fix in this release11:01
cariverithe exacte bug is not being initialized. indicated by license infos not being displyed and stuck on switch from wifi to provider network. further problems I now of is vcl remote app doesnt connect, due to errors of not being initialized properly.11:05
MasseR"Optimized new tab view loading time" <3<311:08
MasseRNow if I only took the effort to do some sort of bug report for having no gps11:08
cariverialright. thanks for the infos.11:14
Mister_Qrobinhero https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool11:28
t-askIs OTA12 postponed again?11:38
t-askor is it simply not released so far?11:38
davmor2t-ask: it is out mid-way through the rollout11:42
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t-askkk, I'm just eager tzo test it :)11:43
Fly__Hello there!11:50
davmor2Fly__: hello11:50
jgdxmardy, hey, I +2'd, but left a comment on the dekko plugin mr. Go's understanding of RFC 2822 is imo buggy, and I'd hate to fix bugs in that area twice.12:12
jgdxs/understanding/implementation.. they had e.g. api breakage going from 1.3 to 1.6 IIRC12:13
mardyjgdx: thanks, I saw it, I commented. If you think I should, I'll try to reduce code duplication12:42
jgdxmardy, so if you're comfortable with that, let's go ahead and land it.12:44
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mardyjgdx: excellent, thanks12:50
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dobeyjgdx: i don't know. maybe not what i'd do, but meh.13:02
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mardyondra: that tire, it looks like it's smiling (or even lolling)13:28
ondramardy lol, what's amazing I did probably half of Transalpina with it, those runflats can take some punishment13:37
faenilcimi: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/160693513:43
ubot5Launchpad bug 1606935 in unity8 (Ubuntu) ""See less" button briefly hides while scrolling an expanded category upwards" [Undecided,New]13:43
ahoneybunohh I think my nexus7 is almost as smooth as the nexus4 now14:03
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mardyjgdx: the account-polld silo is built: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/172214:24
mardyDanChapman: hi! did you already fix that push helper in Dekko? If not, would you welcome a merge proposal?14:25
jgdxmardy, thanks, will test14:25
ejathi , how do i upgrade to OTA 12?14:27
ejatalready check there is no new updates14:27
ejatubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=stable14:34
davmor2ejat: it is in roll out mode so it flags x phones an hour14:37
ejatdavmor2: owh okie14:38
ejatif i do the cmd above would flash my device?14:38
davmor2ejat: just wait it'll happen some point today/tomorrow depending on your timezone14:39
ejatdavmor2: ok .. ill cancel the flashing14:39
ejatthanks for the info14:43
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florianGood Evening!16:49
florianCan anyone tell me how I can increase the default userdata partition in the emulator?16:49
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florianNo one?17:19
dobeyi don't now that you can17:20
dobeyafaik, you'd need to build a different base image which has a larger /userdata17:21
dobeybut i'm by no means an expert on the emulator17:21
dobeyis the standard /userdata not large enough in the emulator?17:21
dobey(i don't know how big it is. i don't use the emulator myself. last time i tried, it was unusable)17:22
floriandobey, thanks17:46
florianI found already that the underlying img is a normal qcow image17:47
florianso it should be resizable17:47
dobeyflorian: i don't understand why you'd want to resize it in the first place. how large is /userdata in the image already?17:52
florianthe eumlator has 4GB of image size, but look I got the following problem17:52
florianI have a real device with some data on it and I lost access to it due to a hardware problem17:53
florianBut I got a backup for this device17:53
florianI now want to confirm that the backup can be restored to a new hardware17:53
florianI need maybe 2GB more space to restore the backup17:53
dobeyyou just have a tarball of $HOME?17:53
florianmore or less yes17:54
florianactually I would only need the contacts DB17:54
florianall other data is not so important17:54
florianBut I cant figure out which data to restore so that the emuklator would show my contacts17:54
dobeyyou just need the ~/.local/share/evolution/ directory from it, to get contacts/calendar data out17:55
dobeycontacts are in an sqlite db under there17:56
mimecaryou can use a sqlite frontend and access your data17:56
mimecarit would not be necessary run the emulator17:56
dobeybut short answer is yes, if you have the data from ~/ you can restore it to another ubuntu device. in fact i manually imported my contacts from an exported vcard on anther phone type, via evolution, to ubuntu phone, to get my contacts copied over17:57
dobeymimecar: no, that's not the answer17:57
dobeyyou don't need an emulator indeed, but "use an sqlite frontend to access your data" is not right17:57
mimecarhe can use it to access his data17:57
florianI copied the directory already into the emulator but the contacts are always empty17:58
florianBut I try once more now17:58
dobeyanyway, if you have the data backed up, it can be restored, yes; i have done so many times18:00
florianYes I believe but I want to test if a full restore will bring app data lso for other apps and programs18:04
florianIts more or les my interest in an UT backup app which I promted here already a few weeks ago :)18:04
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sil2100Oh, that would be quite handy18:10
florianOk I managed tomount the system.img with qemu tools and was able to resize it. lets se if it worked18:11
SebthreeBQM10HDso uhmm18:33
mimecarhi SebthreeBQM10HD18:33
SebthreeBQM10HDmy tablet has been on 10.1 for quite a long time since certain reasons, and I was thinking oh should upgrade soon to OTA 11 really, since 12 was about to be released18:33
SebthreeBQM10HD12 I think is probably even out now in fact!18:34
SebthreeBQM10HDso I thought I could just install the updates the security ones first, then install OTA 11, however earlier when doing that, it just said I was updated, and no OTA update there18:34
SebthreeBQM10HDnow I just seen there's a OTA update, version 5, which I assume is OTA 12 not 11 ?18:34
SebthreeBQM10HDmimecar, hi18:35
* SebthreeBQM10HD may just have to miss out on using OTA 11 on this tablet I guess :d18:35
SebthreeBQM10HDwanted to just try test out a bit really, it seems 12 has actsual features I want so18:35
SebthreeBQM10HDmimecar, are you new here? I don't remember seeing your nick here before18:36
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: hey! Let me check the version numbers for you real quick18:36
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, so version 5 for the cooler device (so M10 HD) is OTA-1218:36
SebthreeBQM10HDI think it just goes to the latest OTA on updates, so even if upating from a really old versibson, won't have to go through each one before that?18:37
sil2100It actually applies all the updates18:37
SebthreeBQM10HDsil2100, h eh right ok, so as I put then, I basically lost my chance at using OTA 11 then?  however of course those OTA 11 updates should be in 12 anyway, with newer things18:37
sil2100So in your case, if you upgrade now, what the updater does is download OTA-11 and OTA-12 and applies them sequentially18:37
SebthreeBQM10HDoh how does it do that?18:37
SebthreeBQM10HDor you mean it will up date to OTA 11 first? then I Have to update myself to OTA 12?18:38
SebthreeBQM10HDbut both will be downloaded18:38
sil2100Yes, there's no way of telling the updater to just use an earlier update instead of the latest, it always checks the latest one and updates all the earlier ones on his path leading to the latest18:38
sil2100No no, it will do it with one swoop18:38
SebthreeBQM10HDok so OTA 11 will be skipped as I thought18:38
sil2100So once you get an update notification, after the update you get OTA-12 in the end18:39
SebthreeBQM10HDbut the features will be in OTA 12 anwyay with newer features so18:39
SebthreeBQM10HDthe OTA 11 features18:39
sil2100Yeah, in a sense it's skipped, but all the things from OTA-11 are in the OTA-12 image you'll upgrade to18:39
* SebthreeBQM10HD has to upgrade to 12 soon really for sure, since if I am correct the on screen keyboard will now work with LIbertine even :d ?18:39
SebthreeBQM10HDdid copy and paste and clickable links or one of htem make it in to, or is that 13 ?18:40
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sil2100I do not have a tablet device but from what I know the OSK now works ;) Saw a landing for that some time ago18:40
SebthreeBQM10HDsil2100, your one of the actsaul Ubuntu Touch devs aren't you?  on the proper team? I saw some video a old one the other week a bit from last year actsually18:40
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, copy and paste is still a work in progress (but I have witnessed the progress)18:40
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yeah I was htinking something like that, but it might make it into OTA 13 ?18:41
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, unlikely, since freeze for OTA-13 is in a week or so and the copy-and-paste only just entered testing18:41
bregmaso, possibly, but I would not bet on it18:41
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah, for touch I have more like a 'release manager'-ish role, maintaining the infrastructure of updates and package landings18:41
SebthreeBQM10HDsil2100, so even if I was to eventaully update my BQ Aquarious 4.5 phone, which is on a old version based on Ubuntu 14.10 still actsaully, since I thought had lost, and don't use that phone as such anymore as well, but if I Was to do that, bang it would go straight to the latest OTA update ?18:42
SebthreeBQM10HDeven on a newer base ?18:42
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, it should update fine18:43
floriandobey, sry had to reboot ;)18:43
SebthreeBQM10HDsil2100, no need to go through the previous versions,  ok18:43
florianIt seems the emulator does not like modified qcow images... it wont start after resizing. So I will now just try .local and hope the directory is not too big to be restored18:44
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: ...I mean, in *theory* it should update fine ;) Since the 14.10 rtm base is really old, maybe the system-image client on the device is too old or something18:44
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: that would be actually a valid test case18:44
* SebthreeBQM10HD likes keeping that phone on such a old versoin for now, since sometimes can show people progress still18:45
sil2100SebthreeBQM10HD: if not, then I would recommend just doing an ubuntu-device-flash to get the latest bits18:45
sil2100But yeah, we won't know until someone tries that!18:45
SebthreeBQM10HDwell it was  last updated in like June or maybe May last year that phone, but yes that's old in open source terms :D18:45
* SebthreeBQM10HD should buy a wireless adapter for convergence to !18:46
davmor2SebthreeBQM10HD: today is old in opensource terms ;)18:46
SebthreeBQM10HDsil2100, most people probably aren't on such a old version on that phone as well :d18:46
SebthreeBQM10HDbut I am :D18:46
SebthreeBQM10HDthing is if a factory re set was done18:47
SebthreeBQM10HDit would restore the old version the even older version18:47
popeyfactory reset restores current version18:47
popeyit doesn't go backwards18:47
SebthreeBQM10HDI thought it re stored the shipped versibion18:47
SebthreeBQM10HDwhatever version was shipped on the phone by default18:47
popeythat's long gone after an OTA18:47
SebthreeBQM10HDwell there hasn't exactlly been much malware or in thorey or attmpted malware for UBuntu touch yet....18:48
* SebthreeBQM10HD remmbers popey 's speech :D18:48
popeyone I'm aware of18:48
davmor2SebthreeBQM10HD: Nope it basically just removes the writable data from the system so you are left with just the readonly part18:48
SebthreeBQM10HDbut  let's say something got in18:48
SebthreeBQM10HDinfected the whole system pretty much18:48
SebthreeBQM10HDthen re storing factry reset would re install the infected OS ?18:49
popeynot sure it's worth going over that non-existent hypothetical18:49
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, yes that one you did a speech about, but other than that, probably nothing or as such18:49
SebthreeBQM10HDdavmor2, I see, so factory re set does not re store a 4.10 versibion as popey was saying, instead it restores whatever the OTA version was18:50
popeythat's what i said, yes.18:51
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: well, the system is readonly, and "factory reset" just deletes all the data from the writable portion. so if the readonly portion of the system is infected, it's your fault for making it writable :)18:51
SebthreeBQM10HDand that's fine as long as the actsual OS part doesnt get infected then, as I was saying18:51
davmor2dobey: that's what I said ;)18:51
dobeyi don't think factory reset actually "restores" anything18:51
SebthreeBQM10HDor it is, untll some malware, makes it read writeable :D18:51
davmor2and popey in his own way too :)18:51
dobeydavmor2: yes yes, we all agreee18:51
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: well, such malware would need to know your password/pin for the device already18:52
SebthreeBQM10HDbut yes upgrading from a old 4.10 base to something recent, or trying to could be interesting :d18:52
SebthreeBQM10HDI'll tell you in about a year maybe sil2100 h eh18:52
davmor2SebthreeBQM10HD: all the apps are confined and have no permissions to write to the read only18:52
dobeyand it would have to break apparmor confinement i think18:52
sil2100hah ;)18:52
* SebthreeBQM10HD does intend to just keep that phone on a old versibion now, as said it's not really used anymore so yeah. however eventually may want to upgrade to something on that as well18:53
* sil2100 jumps out to the garage now18:53
davmor2sil2100: no don't jump it's a long way down18:53
SebthreeBQM10HDdavmor2, untill someone finds a way to break the permissions ?18:53
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: well, if you actively use such an old version, then you should know it also has plenty of security holes that have since been fixed18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, indeed to that18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, but no I    just turn that phone on sometimes and that's about it, showed someone a old versobin at my LUG the other month :d18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDI thought I had lost that phone last summer in fact18:56
SebthreeBQM10HD,but it turns out I Hadn't luckily :)18:56
SebthreeBQM10HDwell ok I had, but that was in the house, not outside so :)18:56
SebthreeBQM10HDhad been travling and .....18:56
* SebthreeBQM10HD remembers to insall each OTA update on at least one device, if going to actsually try that OTA update, from now on :D18:57
SebthreeBQM10HDwhy did no OTA come up earlier though when I did updates?18:58
popeyphased over 24 hours18:58
SebthreeBQM10HDI guess since OTA 12 was coming to the server, but not ready yet ?18:58
popeyas always18:58
SebthreeBQM10HDsaid my tablet was up to date even :d, which wasn't quite true h eh, well for usual updates yes, but not OTA18:59
SebthreeBQM10HDsince 10.118:59
* SebthreeBQM10HD will upgrade to OTA 12 a bit later :D18:59
popeyyeah, phased updates will do that18:59
SebthreeBQM10HDon tablet18:59
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, yes it makes sense, since there is no update for them to see at the time so19:00
SebthreeBQM10HDfor the program to19:00
SebthreeBQM10HDand now for another question :D19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDhow long is the standard versibsion of Ubuntu Touch, going to likely be based on Ubuntu 15.04. I know that updating to 16.04 would break certain things19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDand I assume there is no advantage really in trying to update it to 16.10 when that's released.  maybe 17.04 though.  15.04  untill the desktop versibion becomes much more like the phone anyway maybe or ?19:02
popeyit will break19:02
SebthreeBQM10HDwhich ?19:02
popeythe software stack19:02
popeyif you upgrade to 16.04/16.10 etc19:02
SebthreeBQM10HDit seems want to start basing Ubuntu Touch on LTS versions in the future to19:02
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, yep exactly19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbut can't stay on 15.04 for ever so19:03
popeyyou're not on 15.04 really19:03
popeyit's 15.04 + a ton of backported bits19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDI know it's based on Ubuntu 15.04, with a load of changes19:03
kenvandinein fact the phone is closer to yakkety than to vivid :)19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbut the base would eventally get updated to a later version ?19:03
dobeybut ubuntu 16.04 is just ubuntu 6.04 with 10 years of changes on top of it too :)19:03
kenvandinebesides the systemd stuff19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDthe phone and tablet base would eventaully get based on a later version though, such as 18.04 possibly I guess?  I guess 15.04 base with all these changes is here to stay at least another year maybe two ?19:04
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: yes, we obviuosly want to get moved up to xenial base, as was stated at the last UOS19:04
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: however, it's not a trivial thing to do, and there are still lots of decisions to be made about how that will play out, but we're working on it19:05
SebthreeBQM10HDI am not a dev, but I assume that once the Ubuntu Desktop becomes much more like the phone and tablet anyway, that it will be easier to have them being rathe similar to each other ?19:05
dobeythey are already built from the same source trees19:05
dobeyso i don't see how they could be "more similar" in that respect really19:06
SebthreeBQM10HDbasing on 16.04 the base, is only going to happen with proper reason I guess though?  otherwise I guess that may just be skipped and carry on like now ?19:06
SebthreeBQM10HDif there is no proper reason in basing on a newer one I mean ?19:07
SebthreeBQM10HDif it breaks to much etc19:07
dobeywell if 16.04 was gcc 4.9, it would have been done already. but since gcc5 happened last year, it presented a lot of problems making upgrade a lot more difficult19:07
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, oh gcc version, is that a main reason19:07
SebthreeBQM10HDa later Ubuntu Desktop will of course get that version though :d19:08
dobeyyes, gcc5 broke binary compat19:08
dobeyso it's a very big reason19:08
SebthreeBQM10HDbasing on 16.10 might be a little silly to some extent, but maybe would make sense. I mean instead of putting the main version of Ubuntu touch on a 16.04 base19:08
dobeyno, basing on any non-lts version is a bad idea, really19:08
SebthreeBQM10HDwhy since then, got to do even more own updates ?19:09
SebthreeBQM10HDthat woudn't be in the desktop since end of life19:09
SebthreeBQM10HDI have this feeling that maybe the 15.04 base is here to stay, untill the next LTS actually, 18.04?19:09
kenvandinevery unlikely19:10
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen is the base likely to get changed ?19:10
SebthreeBQM10HDto 16.04 base then19:10
SebthreeBQM10HDanother year or ?19:10
kenvandineas soon as possible :)19:10
kenvandinebut it's a lot of work19:10
SebthreeBQM10HDkenvandine, yes I Reolise it's a lot of work and it will break certain things etc, hence why it hasn't happended yet19:11
SebthreeBQM10HDkenvandine, but do you say as soon as possible, whilst being an actsaul dev of UBuntu touch or :D ?19:11
SebthreeBQM10HDok :)19:11
kenvandinewe're working towards that19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah I read that there's like a19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDwell a few channels really for updats etc?19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDthe standard one that this tablet will be on.19:12
dobeyyou can run 16.04 if you want, but very few things work on it19:13
floriandobey: I restored now the whole .local dir. Do I need to reboot after that? Because e.g. messages is til empty19:14
dobeyflorian: yes19:14
florianOk lets see19:14
dobeyflorian: you need to reboot immediately after restoring the files19:14
SebthreeBQM10HDkenvandine, back some uh isues with the xchat gnome that stopped me typing19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDso a like stable channel, rc propsed where most of the early action happens19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDbut also a proper dev  one I belive, based on 16.04, where things  will be uh breaking for now19:17
SebthreeBQM10HDbefore that one based on 15.10 a dev  ?19:17
kenvandinei wouldn't recommend running anything that's not based on 15.0419:18
SebthreeBQM10HDindeed to that19:18
SebthreeBQM10HDor for now19:18
SebthreeBQM10HDI won't be going to the dev channel if that's what you were thinking19:18
kenvandinewe don't even run the devel channel :)19:19
SebthreeBQM10HDh eh yeah it's that un stable is it ?19:19
SebthreeBQM10HDstable, breaking things not working right19:19
kenvandineprobably unusable19:19
SebthreeBQM10HDh eh you don't even use....19:19
kenvandineour development happens on rc-proposed19:20
SebthreeBQM10HDyes I gathered that19:20
SebthreeBQM10HDor mos of it does19:20
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat's the devel for then?  the later base, see what happens ?19:20
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah I guess so19:22
SebthreeBQM10HDlike some article I read even seemed to say :D before h eh19:22
dobeymake sure it keeps building mostly19:24
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, on  a new base or wahtever ?19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDthe devl is 16. 04 ?19:25
dobeyyes, devel-proposed is 16.0419:26
SebthreeBQM10HDin another distro  rc-proposed to me means like,  the qa updates19:26
SebthreeBQM10HDtesting of what will become security updates etc19:26
SebthreeBQM10HDI guess same kind of thing here19:27
dobeydon't think about channel naming too hard19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDwell I am thinkoing what propesed means etc19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDor in the context19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDhow many chanenls are there for UBuntu touch anyway?19:27
* SebthreeBQM10HD hasn't changed channel so19:28
dobeyit means exactly what it menas19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDto come yeah19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDdoes devel-propsed get things from a devel channel?   rc release canddiate?  rc-proposed would get form some where else  or have things put in directly I guess, to then later go into the stabel version19:29
dobeylike i said, don't think too hard about it19:29
* SebthreeBQM10HD enjoys OTA 12 later after an update :D 19:30
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mimecarIs there any list of applications that should have Ubuntu Touch? I have seen one in UAPP Explorer but do not know if it's the only one.19:50
mimecarI thought develop an application this summer19:50
GarettMcCartyI need google apps so i dont know what i am gonna do when i get ubuntu touch :c19:51
dobeyGarettMcCarty: "need google apps" in what context?20:03
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hwkhi, any tips on how preset a ubuntu touch image with openssh service enabled, wlan0 configured and use the phone a mini server?20:06
hwkit has a broken digitezer (half of it) -- no posibility to tap next on the initial setup screen20:07
GarettMcCartyI believe you would have to edit the ubuntu rootfs and then reflash it20:08
hwkon android i remove the setupwizzard app, boot up, set bluetooth (mouse + kb) , rename the app back and run the steps with mouse support20:08
hwkno problems, tired of patching & building kernels :D20:09
dobeyyou can flash and skip the setup wizard with ubuntu-device-flash20:11
dobeyand enable developer mode for it, and adb in and enable ssh, easily enough20:12
hwki think i need to patch the kernel for ubuntu-touch to get usb-otg with external power20:12
hwkthis is the context http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/orig-development/usb-otg-externally-powered-usb-otg-t2181820 and this are the actual changes which need to be done on the ubuntu-touch kernel https://github.com/android/kernel_msm/commit/d148585787ea35a65f049533a77854450445f3c220:18
hwkbut for that device i saw that its supported and maybe the maintainer already applied it20:18
hwkim no c programmer but i think i can manage to comment some lines :)20:19
dobeywhat does otg have to do with enabling ssh?20:19
hwkneed some IO for external storage20:20
hwknetwork storage server :)20:21
dobeywell external storage works for me ok with otg20:21
dobeyi plug in my mp3 player and the songs show up in ubuntu :)20:21
hwkthe nexus4 lacks native support (no power output), that why i need that kernel patch so usb host mode detection is achived using a workaround20:23
hwkthat way i can use a mouse on the initial setup screen (maybe)20:23
hwkbut using it as server by enabling ssh on already build image seems faster for now :)20:24
dobeyyou want external power anyway20:26
hwkyeah, the usb hub im using has a 1gb ethernet card embeded which is useful20:27
hwkany clue on where can i find the sources for mako?20:37
t-askThere is no dark theme for the phone, or?20:39
t-askI can't get to sleep if that phone UI is light like day, hehe20:39
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dobeyt-ask: there are no "themes" for the phone, no20:48
florian_dobey: sorry to say but my restore of .local gets ignored in the emulator20:49
dobeyhwk: see the porting guide in the topic i guess20:49
dobeyflorian_: ok. well anyway, backup features are being worked on :)20:50
florian_:) Is it working on a real phone? I have a huge problem with my bq having lost the touch screen mre or less20:50
florian_I need to have a phone anyway soon again20:50
hwkit scares me that i need to fetch 15 gb of repo data , uhm, i think multirom is booting on top of my existing  android kernel (which contains the required drivers)20:51
florian_whats interesting is that the emulator has none of my files in .local20:51
florian_its like all my rsync has vanished20:51
florian_what is the correct way of rebooting it? I have to close the window forcefully as reboot/shutdown hangs forever20:52
dobeyflorian_: i have no idea about the technical details of the emulator20:53
dobeyflorian_: it's en emulator, so the storage is very possibly just ramdisk and when emulator shuts down it all goes away20:54
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florian_but it remembers that I did the introduction for example20:54
dobeyflorian_: you'd have to ask someone who works on the emulator though about that20:54
dobeyi don't know enough about the emulator to answer20:54
florian_ok nevermind good night :)20:54
pmcgowanflorian_, there are .img files in .local/share/ubuntu-emulator/nameofemulator20:56
florian_These sdcard.img file grew during rsync so I assume its persisting there20:57
florian_do I need to make a snapshot before reboot?20:57
pmcgowanflorian_, things should persist but you can certainly do a snapshot20:58
florian_Now rsync tells me nothing to do, but the files have wrong sizes etc and I am missing directories... whats going on here ;)20:59
dobeyflorian_: the sizes might appear wrong due to different "block size" of the fs used21:01
dobeyflorian_: ie, on your PC the fs block size is 4096 bytes, but on the phone (and probably in the emulator) it's 512 bytes21:01
florian_snapshot does not help me... Plus emulator's F7 reboot press is also stuck21:07
florian_I assume if I kill it then the changes for the disk are lost21:07
florian_WHy does the addressbook for example not see the changed files immediately without rebooting?21:08
pmcgowanflorian_, have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator21:09
pmcgowanthen you know what I know :)21:09
florian_shutdown -h now in the emulator does not shut down, this must have been noticed by someone21:11
ubot5Launchpad bug 1607028 in camera-app (Ubuntu) "[OTA-12] Permission dialog is not coming up" [Undecided,New]21:13
florian_it worked!21:14
florian_dobey: All is good, except that you never shall kill the emulator just by closing the window21:14
florian_seems to revert all recent changes21:14
dobeyflorian_: makes sense21:15
florian_cool I got my contacts !21:15
pmcgowanahoneybun, did you do a wipe on that install?21:15
ahoneybunpmcgowan: yep21:16
ahoneybunI'm thinking now I should try a rebooot for the heck of it21:17
ahoneybunpmcgowan: added that I used the wipe option21:17
ahoneybunto the bug report21:17
pmcgowanahoneybun, I just got prompted for audio recording a video21:18
pmcgowanI recall getting the camera prompt21:18
ahoneybunwell it just keeps spining for me21:18
ahoneybunthe app does not open at all21:18
ahoneybunthe heck21:19
ahoneybunnow it gave it to me after unlocking21:19
ahoneybunbut just spins21:19
pmcgowannot many flo users left21:19
ahoneybunsaying I should not report anymore?21:20
florian_strange, no Telegram in the Emulator, and also it is not in the store...21:20
ahoneybuntbh I do miss android on this21:20
ahoneybunas a media device this thing is awesome21:20
ahoneybunpmcgowan: Canonical needs to send me a M10 to have at my LoCo events then lol21:20
pmcgowanI will see what i can do :)21:21
ahoneybunyou must be joking21:21
ahoneybunplease don't lol21:21
ahoneybunI would LOVE one21:21
ahoneybunI want to get rid of my 15in laptop21:21
k1liirc there is the community budget from the donations from the ubuntu.com website21:22
ahoneybunyea but hardware is different21:22
ahoneybunI've used the fund for my LoCo before21:22
pmcgowanflorian_, are you running x86 emulator? lots of apps do not have builds for that which we are chasing21:23
ahoneybunthe M10 would be perfect now with OTA12 for College and University events21:23
k1liirc they bought some phone stuff to show on conferences with that.21:23
florian_pmcgowan: yes its i38621:23
florian_ok clear21:23
PaulFraOSAASo If i made a QML file, and would want to run this on my tablet, what should I put in a .desktop file and what other files should I edit on the tablet as well? (RTFM links welcome, I just haven't found any)21:29
dobeyPaulFraOSAA: you want to make a pure qml app for running on tablet/phone?21:30
PaulFraOSAAdobey, I just want to run a qml file with qmlscene to see it21:31
PaulFraOSAAI can't even run it from the command line :(21:32
dobeyqmlscene --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop foo.qml21:33
PaulFraOSAAWow, that actually worked!!21:34
PaulFraOSAANow it even seems creator is working for untiy8, so I'm really looking forward to using my tablet for devopment21:38
t-askIs this normal that I can't replay webm videos?21:39
t-askWhen rebooting my phone, it always shows that I have an SD card inside? I don't know why? Is there any specific purpose for that?21:43
PaulFraOSAAt-ask: How do you try to play webm video?21:49
t-askFilemanger and clcik it21:51
t-askIt says no apps installed that support that formatß!21:52
t-askI wonder why21:52
t-askI guess, the Youtube app plays webm files somehow21:53
PaulFraOSAAThe Youtube app is a browser, so that is the way that works21:54
PaulFraOSAAt-ask: is it the same when you use the Gallery app?21:56
t-askNot sure, I find the Gallery app kind of useless21:57
t-askBecause I don't know which file is which and where I find my files if I don't even know the date of the video21:57
PaulFraOSAAA lot of them are, Thats the wonders of using Unity ;)21:57
t-askand if thumbnails look almost the same for lets say 30 videos, then it is just not working - for me21:58
t-askI can't even sort those Gallery files in a certain manner21:59
t-askand if I still don't know which is what eg. :)21:59
PaulFraOSAACan you find it in the "My Videos" Scope?21:59
t-askanother Gallery .)22:00
t-askhehe, funny with the scope I might be able to, but no I don't see the extensions :)22:01
t-askI guesss I have around 250 videos on it, I can't even group them by date, name, extension, author...22:02
PaulFraOSAAHmm, just found a review stating "Webm did not work at all..." but it might have changed,22:02
t-askand it seems the scope is not sorting by name..22:02
PaulFraOSAAAre they on an SD card?22:03
t-askinternal and SD22:03
PaulFraOSAACould you try to copy it to your home dir and unmount the SD card22:04
PaulFraOSAASo you just have one file22:04
t-askinteresting the file I am searching for is not listed in My Videos22:06
t-askon the other hand I videos I didn't even know they exist, lol22:07
dobeywell, the webm demuxer is available22:08
dobeybut perhaps the codecs used in the file aren't?22:08
dobeyi think there might be something with the way the gstreamer stuff works on the phones/tablet too, where it only really handles what the hardware supports22:08
PaulFraOSAAI just got a demofile off the web. I got it to play using the scope, sound only, no video22:08
dobeyand iirc, none of the devices support webm in the hardware22:09
t-askI most likely downloaded that file wid voutube-dl on Arch22:09
SebthreeBQM10HDh eh I just been on the offical ubuntu .com devices phone page, and wow it looks so awesome22:11
SebthreeBQM10HDI mean yeah22:11
SebthreeBQM10HDso awesome22:11
dobeyhmm, yeah, something weird with webm. copied a file over from a steam game, and only audio plays22:11
SebthreeBQM10HDall the current Ubuntu phones  that are available it says are sold out, which I knew already sure, but it's just how the page has it like that h eh h eh22:11
SebthreeBQM10HDin it's way22:11
* SebthreeBQM10HD might buy the MX 6 Ubuntu when available22:12
dobeyanyway, time to get away from the computer22:13
t-askI guess, the My Videos gallery is not listing internal vids22:14
t-askI guess, the lagrge movie files playback is not fixed, or?22:15
t-askor is it that the filemanager openeing the Mediaplayer is just not working22:16
t-askok, "Low on disc space" warning after 1min22:17
ogra_t-ask, dont use the filemanager for *any* media playback, it has a bug that tries to first copy the file to the app workdir22:18
t-askthen I guess, it was copying the file to a tmp folder and now internal / is full and therefore can't playback the file22:18
ogra_use the scopes22:18
t-askis the auther aware of that bug?22:18
ogra_dunno ...22:19
t-askI can't use scopes.. or is ther one which I mess?22:19
ogra_it is logged in launchpad somewhere22:19
SebthreeBQM10HDhi ogra_ :)22:20
SebthreeBQM10HDand others who are around :d22:20
ogra_hey ...22:20
SebthreeBQM10HDI uhmm22:21
SebthreeBQM10HDwasa just thinking....22:21
SebthreeBQM10HDafter reading the omgubuntu article about ota 1222:21
SebthreeBQM10HDhow old is the Firefox version anyway really?  they got that it's old in brackets on there22:21
SebthreeBQM10HDis that old and without security updates, or just old, but with security updates ?22:21
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_,  ????22:24
t-askogra_: not sure if you read my remarkes before on scopes. I can't really use them or the Gallery becasue eitehr I can't find the files, they aren't listed or everything looks the same and no filenames, ...22:24
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, well, it is an EOL release ...22:25
ogra_t-ask, well...22:25
ogra_(i guess the designers never had devices with 100s of videos when they created the UI design for teh scopes :) )22:26
ogra_in any case dont use the filemanager ...22:26
ogra_you just end up with endless copies22:27
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, it's a old 2015 arm version isn't it ?22:27
SebthreeBQM10HDor maybe even 2014 ?22:27
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, it is vivid ... for the rest of the distro it is discontinued ...22:27
t-askmybe someone could rotoate the gallery 90° clockwise and let users up and down each section(column).. and then add a filter option or categories option for name, date, size, author, storage type, encoder, eg...22:28
ogra_which means Xapps are all old22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDso the firefox on the tablet is just a old verison22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDnot supported22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, yeah I gathered all along when I First looked at them on tablet22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDthat it's old stuff22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDfrom like 2015 maybe 201422:28
ogra_there is work going on to move to 16.04 ... but that will still take a while22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDso really using firefox on the tablet22:28
SebthreeBQM10HDis insecure ?22:29
SebthreeBQM10HDor for certain things22:29
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, I guess I thought that it had some kind of update, never really though of it much, but that the versibon itself was old yes22:29
t-askogra_: well if you download playlists of tutorials, you easily get hundreds of files22:29
t-askand having 30 tubs whic all shows the tutorial's sourcefile as thumb... it is getting tedious, hehe#22:31
t-askit is even better if the author did all his files on different dates, and they mix up with other tutorials happening the same time22:32
t-askthen scops are just a mess ,)22:32
t-askWhere is My Scops looking for vids? I miss internal ones in /media/videos22:34
t-askor is ther another app I could use for that purpose?22:35
SebthreeBQM10HDt-ask,  I think there might be some kind of other video player, since I wass looking at the app store hte other week for video apps22:36
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, hmm why wasn't a Firefox updated backported or whatever?  since thats libertine or arm so differnet ?22:41
ogra_vivid simply doesnt recieve any updates anymore apart from snappy and the phone ... firefox belongs into neither realm here22:41
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, it's because those devices are running a distribution derived from Vivid Vervet, and no one had backported newer Firefox to it22:42
bregmawhich is sad, because there is an important bug fixed in later versions22:42
ogra_bregma, well, move to xenial ;)22:42
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, well that's a bit sucky really22:42
SebthreeBQM10HDbut I supous only early adopters have FIrefox like that anyway so far, such as me :D22:43
bregmaogra_, someone is working on it22:43
SebthreeBQM10HDor mostly22:43
SebthreeBQM10HDxenial you mean 16.04 :D ?22:43
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yes, it would make our lives easier22:43
ogra_that has 5 years of support so firefox will recieve updates for quite some time still22:43
SebthreeBQM10HDafter the things that break, are fixed you mean ?22:43
SebthreeBQM10HDthe thing that will breka ubuntu touch22:43
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yes, things break on Touch using Xenial right now, that's why the delay22:44
SebthreeBQM10HDyes as you hav told me before22:44
SebthreeBQM10HDseems gcc is an issue for example as well going by earlier the version of22:44
* bregma is glad he's not working on that22:44
ogra_one problem is that many bits of the phone were very deeply tied into upstart ...22:44
ogra_then we switched the distro to systemd22:44
SebthreeBQM10HDso someone will have to hack some work arounds or whatever to get 16.04 working nicely for phone and tablets ?22:44
bregmaoooh, he used the s* word22:44
ogra_there is a lot of porting work to be done still22:44
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah, but let's be honest here :D22:45
SebthreeBQM10HDUbuntu going to system d thing well22:45
SebthreeBQM10HDwas mostly since DEbian did right ?22:45
ogra_we dont have enough people to patch each and every package to keep it running with upstart ...22:46
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat would system d break for phone and tablet really?22:46
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, I forget if your a paid dev, or just community person :D22:46
ogra_both :)22:47
SebthreeBQM10HDwell yeah  most distros have gone to System D22:47
SebthreeBQM10HDnot just DEbian22:47
t-ask< Arch ,)22:47
t-askit is not our fault *hehe22:47
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_,patch like every package you mean in a otherwise systemd version of ubuntu? h eh yeah indeed to that I Guess to the lack of people to do that h eh22:48
bregmasystemd is no worse than upstart in terms of the software, although I disagree with their design decision on binary logs22:48
bregmaI understand the people behind it can be a little difficult sometimes22:49
t-askI kind of like it22:49
t-askso many nice 'well hidden' features .)22:49
ogra_yeah, there is nothing wrong with systemd22:49
ogra_i would have preferred to stay with upstart ...22:50
ogra_but all our packages come from debian ... and they decided22:50
bregmaI'm also annoyed I have to learn a new system after only just learning upstart and forgetting decades of using init.d22:50
t-askand in the end it is woth it, imho22:50
bregmaI must be getting old22:50
ogra_well, its an init system22:51
bregmasystemd still has not good support for session management, which was a great feature of upstart22:51
ogra_way to much fuss is made over it given that it is just that :)22:51
bregmaI understand someone is working on that, but the people I knew who were doing that rage quit in frustration22:51
hwkis it possible to run systemd in chroot?22:52
bregmaI have no idea who is working on systemd session management now22:52
ogra_we still have upstart for session mgmt....22:52
t-askhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-nspawn ;)22:52
SebthreeBQM10HDh ey it's Debian,  you were making some nice progress with your upstart for ubuntu on your phones and tablets, but well there won't be any debian phones or tablets  it seems, so we will start trying to break your phone and tablet, by changing to systemd from your up start, h eh22:52
ogra_anyway ... much offtopic for this channel :)22:52
t-asknot really, you might be able to use nspawn for touch then .)22:53
t-askhehe .)22:53
ogra_we have something proper (lxd) ... no need for such hacks :)22:54
ogra_anyway ...22:54
t-askit comes with virtual fs22:54
* ogra_ goes afk ...22:54
ogra_1am is late enough to end my workday22:54
t-askI mean, it is written in the wiki22:54
hwkseems more outside the family22:57
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, ping if about, and if so quick question....23:42

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