[05:24]  * paddatrapper blinks
[05:24] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone 
[05:38] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[06:01] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[06:04] <Kilos> hi d`_`b 
[06:04] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:06] <Kilos> morning inetpro superfly paddatrapper theblazehen thatgraemeguy MaNI chesedo andrewlsd and all others too
[06:14] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos. How's it going in the cold? 
[06:15] <Kilos> haha shivering
[06:15] <Kilos> hows things there lad
[06:16] <Sicelo> morning 
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Sicelo 
[06:26] <d`_`b> Morning Kilos
[06:27] <Kilos> hmm... should we know you?
[06:27] <andrewlsd> Morning
[06:27] <Kilos> quassel user
[06:27] <Kilos> jerit is it you?
[06:28] <andrewlsd> Looks like  d`_`b is wearing headphones.
[06:28] <Kilos> haha
[06:28] <d`_`b> basicly, d-_-b already in use.
[06:29] <d`_`b> Hi andrewlsd
[06:29] <Kilos> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> Maaz nickometer d`_`b 
[06:29] <Maaz> Kilos: d`_`b is 69.4% lame
[06:29] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <andrewlsd> Maaz: nickometer andrewlsd
[06:29] <Maaz> andrewlsd: andrewlsd is 0.0% lame
[06:29] <d`_`b> So d`_`b is just d-_-b rolling his eyes!
[06:30] <andrewlsd> Maaz: nickometer Kilos
[06:30] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Kilos is 0.0% lame
[06:30] <andrewlsd> ooh
[06:30] <Kilos> d`_`b what is your other nick
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe making me think so early in the morning on such a cold morning
[06:32] <andrewlsd> I just tried dº_ºb but it had illegal characters.
[06:32] <Kilos> haha
[06:32] <d`_`b> Kilos: my affiliation
[06:32] <andrewlsd> ludocris.
[06:32] <Kilos> ludo
[06:32] <Kilos> i see now
[06:32] <Kilos> sorry for being so slow
[06:33] <andrewlsd> ȍ
[06:34] <Kilos> nice nick to type though d tab
[06:46] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> i go do chores
[06:58] <paddatrapper> Kilos: cold here too... Though no rain today 
[07:09] <superfly> o/
[07:10] <superfly> Maaz: nickometer superfly
[07:10] <Maaz> superfly: superfly is 0.0% lame
[07:11] <superfly> Maaz: nickometer Kilos
[07:11] <Maaz> superfly: Kilos is 0.0% lame
[07:11] <superfly> Maaz: nickometer paddatrapper
[07:11] <Maaz> superfly: paddatrapper is 0.0% lame
[07:11] <anton_may> ciao, dumelang, guten morgen, goeie môre, good monirngs
[07:12] <superfly> molo anton_may
[07:12] <anton_may> o/ superfly
[07:18] <paddatrapper> Lol
[07:18] <paddatrapper> Hey superfly
[07:19] <dlPhreak> Morning
[07:24] <andrewlsd> molo paddatrapper superfly dlPhreak
[07:25] <paddatrapper> Goede morge andrewlsd
[07:25] <andrewlsd> Gutendag paddatrapper
[07:27]  * andrewlsd is disconnecting from QuasselCore
[08:01] <dlPhreak> Hi andrewlsd, paddatrapper 
[08:03] <paddatrapper> Hey dlPhreak
[08:49] <dlPhreak> paddatrapper: how are you?
[09:10] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: good thanks. You? 
[09:36] <dlPhreak> Pretty swell thanks paddatrapper 
[09:37] <dlPhreak> Are you new here or am I oblivious? 
[09:38] <dlPhreak> I don't come here very often and when I am here I just idle so I don't really pay attention to who comes and goes..
[09:51] <jerit> is it weird or awesome that this is really the only channel I care about being in anymore aside from #web-social?
[09:54] <MaNI> depends on your occupation I guess - if you are a programmer then I would say yes thats pretty odd, if not then it probably isn't that strange
[09:54] <Kilos> that one or #ubuntu-za
[09:55] <jerit> Kilos these are the only 2 channels I care about being in
[09:56] <Kilos> what is that one about
[09:56] <jerit> MaNI not all that strange really. They treat me like crap in ##csharp and in other channels its normally dead quiet so...
[09:56] <Kilos> just socialising?
[09:56] <jerit> yeah
[09:56] <jerit> they've helped me a lot with a bunch of stuff though... good bunch of guys
[09:57] <Kilos> well if you can give and receive help then all good
[10:02] <MaNI> I'd expect most programmers who IRC to be in several channels simply because they are likely to use several libraries.
[10:03] <MaNI>  e.g. I am #wxWidgets because I use that library, I very seldom need to talk in there but it is pretty rude to join only when you need to ask a question and then immediately leave, so I hang around and occasionally even answer questions.
[10:03] <MaNI> I guess it depends though *shrug*
[10:03] <Kilos> nice to hear that MaNI 
[10:04] <Kilos> i also think its rude
[10:05] <MaNI> especially for smaller projects who don't have lots of people
[10:05] <MaNI> if it's something like #postgresql where the text is constantly scrolling then it's a bit different 
[10:08] <jerit> MaNI I used to hang around and answer questions (when I could) in #csharp but one of the guys in there has something against me so he makes it very unpleasant for me to stay there
[10:10] <MaNI> I can understand yes
[10:10] <MaNI> some channels can be quite toxic
[10:18] <Kilos> if you dont feel happy or welcome in a channel just leave
[10:19] <Kilos> some peeps can be very snotty
[10:49] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: I've been here for a while, 3/4 monts or so I think
[10:53] <dlPhreak> paddatrapper: well then I am pleased to meet your acquaintance. 
[11:27] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: and I yours :) 
[11:31] <Kilos> hehe
[11:32] <Kilos> surely more than 4 months paddatrapper 
[11:32] <Kilos> dlPhreak he is also busy rewriting our bot
[11:32] <Kilos> between studies
[11:33] <Kilos> inetpro ?
[11:33]  * Kilos hears govt places upgrading stuff
[11:44] <dlPhreak> Y u replacing Maaz ??
[11:44] <dlPhreak> :'(
[11:45] <Kilos> nope we will just upgrade him once everything is sorted
[11:45] <dlPhreak> I always thought maaz was female??
[11:46] <Kilos> no his wife is
[11:46] <Kilos> actually he is neither
[11:46] <Kilos> Maaz are you male
[11:46] <Maaz> No. Us Bots are above that human failing
[11:48] <dlPhreak> Maaz, do you know C3PO?
[11:48] <Maaz> dlPhreak: Huh?
[11:48] <dlPhreak> Or R2D2
[11:48] <Kilos> haha
[11:49] <dlPhreak> I think BB8 > R2D2
[11:53] <paddatrapper> Kilos: think I first peaked around the door end of Feb/beginning of March 
[11:53] <Kilos> and you got trapped
[11:56] <Kilos> aw paddatrapper i forgot your name
[11:56] <Kilos> and cant scroll back into last nights meeting
[12:34] <anton_may> What version of flash is required for efilling? Efilling says 11.3 and the one for linux is only 11.2
[12:36] <Sicelo> if that's what it says .. then likely that's what it requires :)
[12:36] <Sicelo> however, usually there are ways to 'fake' Flash versions .. have a look at that, and it may help
[12:37] <Sicelo> although i think you might still have other problems, such as XFA on their PDFs
[12:38] <anton_may> nope got adobe reader installed, according to adobe website the latest version of flash is installed, but efilling says 11.3. So will see how to fake it
[12:44] <MaNI> so ridiculous the way e-filing depends on that stuff :(
[12:45] <anton_may> yip worked great last year, noe this year is a joke
[12:46] <MaNI> gives me problems every year - I usually just end up using a VM for it, so unnecessary though it is just some forms that have to be filled in there are open standards that can handle this
[12:47] <anton_may> urg ok, let me dust of the cobwebs on the vm
[12:48] <MaNI> not like the whole adobe thing they have going on is even user friendly, it's a clumsy mess
[12:51] <jerit> Malema is so all over the place I'd be shocked if he doesn't need someone to tie his shoes for him in the morning
[12:52] <Sicelo> :)
[12:57] <jerit> The more I look at the DA, ANC and EFF playing their little political games, the more I agree with David Draiman's (frontman for Disturbed) views on politics http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/disturbeds-david-draiman-i-hate-all-politicians-equally/
[13:06] <ra1v3n> hello
[13:06] <paddatrapper> Hey ra1v3n 
[13:07] <ra1v3n> hello paddatrapper 
[13:09] <paddatrapper> How goes it?
[13:11] <jerit> hi ra1v3n
[13:12] <ra1v3n> hello jerit 
[13:12] <jerit> you well?
[13:12] <ra1v3n> Im good thank and yourself?
[13:24] <superfly> anton_may: I have a Mac at home for some cross-platform development. I just use that.
[13:34] <anton_may> yea, I got a Win 7 VM on my ubuntu home laptop
[13:37] <jerit> all good thanks ra1v3n :) just had to reboot there because my computer went spastic or summing
[13:37] <jerit> its this ubuntu nonsense :P
[13:44] <ra1v3n> lol
[13:45] <ra1v3n> nothing wrong with Ubuntu
[13:45] <ra1v3n> plenty wrong with Unity
[13:45] <ra1v3n> only uses openbox
[13:49] <Na3iL> o/
[13:54] <theblazehen> Nothing wrong with dwm.suckless.org/
[13:56] <anton_may> ciao all see you tomorrows
[14:21] <magespawn> brb
[14:26] <ra1v3n> theblazehen, thankyou.... I think I might try dwn or awesome next, nothing seems to be happening in terms of development on openbox
[14:27] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: AwesomeWM is... Well, Awesome!
[14:27] <theblazehen> Only one that lets you have a full set of independent workspaces on all monitors
[14:27] <ra1v3n> I just love openbox because it hardly uses resoures and never gets in my way
[14:28] <theblazehen> I like herbestlufwm (I spelt it wrong, google can figure it out...), but it doesn't do multi monitor right. AwesomeWM is literally the only one that does
[14:29] <ra1v3n> then I shall try awesome
[14:29] <ra1v3n> Ive been meaning to learn Lua anyway
[14:31] <theblazehen> It's using 58290 bytes of RAM at the moment
[14:31] <theblazehen> (RSS)
[14:33] <ra1v3n> that like nothing
[14:33] <ra1v3n> When I started using openbox I was surprised at how fast my graphics apps and games responded
[14:34] <theblazehen> Yeah. I used to run XFCE. was using 53 (!) MB RAM at boot
[14:34] <ra1v3n> Now I sit at a machine that has a clunky wm/de and I get super annoyed
[14:34] <ra1v3n> sooo slooow
[14:35] <ra1v3n> the worst is by far windows
[14:35] <theblazehen> Went without computer between 2010 or so to around November 2012, then I got a free PC with 256 MB RAM. Was fun chainloading from a CD so I could boot to a USB
[14:35] <theblazehen> Yeah. Hell, even xp struggles with 256 MB RAM
[14:35] <ra1v3n> but Canonicals Unity is right behind it
[14:35] <theblazehen> Arch with xfce was decent
[14:36] <theblazehen> Sure, I could only open 1 browser tab, and couldn't use heavy websites, but othwrwise it's fine
[14:36] <theblazehen> !FUN! fact, don't leave the cloudflare website open over night. Found it using around 680 MB RAM
[14:36] <theblazehen> A reddit page is around 15 MB
[14:36] <theblazehen> Wikipedia around 5-9, google close to 20-25
[14:37] <ra1v3n> I would much rather reserve a systems resources for important programs rather than choke it with a fancy desktop
[14:37] <ra1v3n> I use links2 if I just need the text
[14:41] <theblazehen> Cool
[14:41] <ra1v3n> otherwise I resort to firefox 
[14:44]  * theblazehen had 600+ frefox tabs open once
[14:44] <theblazehen> But then it got slow
[14:45] <ra1v3n> lol
[14:45] <ra1v3n> I limit myself to between 10 and 20 tabs
[14:46] <ra1v3n> anything else is madness
[14:48] <theblazehen> Check out tree style tabs and wikipedia
[14:49] <ra1v3n> hmmm .... suppose that may be useful
[14:50] <jerit> so guys, I have folder /var/www/html/jerit/stuff and I wanna the contents of the "jerit" directory into the "other" directory at /var/www/html/other/ I'm a little fuzzy on how to correctly target the locations correctly
[14:50] <jerit> cp /var/www/html/jerit/ /var/www/html/other ?
[15:08] <Na3iL> theblazehen, +600 tabs open on FF? 
[15:08]  * Na3iL is wondering what CPU type you have
[15:27] <Sicelo> finally bit the bullet .. upgrading to debian testing 
[15:48] <d`_`b> Hi, do anybody know if this is still a issue http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/286? 
[15:49] <d`_`b> Can't seem to turn it on in my *gulp*windows client.
[15:50] <d`_`b> Sicelo: what you looking forward to, in testing?
[15:52] <d`_`b> Also how did you do it? Just a change in your `sources.list`, and `apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[15:53] <Sicelo> yes, still downloading
[15:53] <Sicelo> looking forward to bugs, and more fun :)
[15:54] <Sicelo> sorry not using quassel, so no idea about that
[15:59] <Kilos> hmm... long day
[15:59] <d`_`b> np, pcbsd? I'm trying to get c9 running on it. Easy Peasy on ubuntu, but a quick *herp*durp* on bsd.
[16:04] <paddatrapper> Sicelo: \o/ welcome to the interesting side of life! (I'm on unstable) 
[16:05] <jerit__> so guys
[16:05] <Sicelo> paddatrapper: awesome :)
[16:06] <Sicelo> but my main pc will remain on stable - it is my router/AP, MTA, etc. so i don't need it to break
[16:06] <jerit__> I got quassel working
[16:06] <jerit__> turns out quassel =/= quassel client
[16:07] <jerit__> but now how do I connect to my znc
[16:07] <Kilos> well done jerit__ 
[16:07] <Kilos> look in your nick panel and see who uses quassel
[16:08] <Kilos> or ask the fly, pro or magespawn tomorrow or if he appears tonight
[16:08] <jerit__> ctcp version all 35 people here who aren't me you mean?
[16:08] <Sicelo> don't /version me .. irssi :)
[16:08] <Kilos> dont you see host names
[16:09] <jerit__> I just see nicks
[16:09] <Kilos> in settings should be show host names
[16:12] <Kilos> i dunno quassel but settings or preferences should give an option to show hosts in nick panel
[16:12] <Sicelo> what does he need that for? (sorry if i missed something)
[16:13] <Kilos> so he can see who uses quassel
[16:13] <Kilos> and who is cloaked etc
[16:13] <Kilos> he needs quassel help so normally you would ask a quassel user right?
[16:14] <Sicelo> jerit__: about your 'cp' question .. looks fine your command .. just add -r or -R as otherwise sub-directories will not be descended into
[16:15] <jerit> thanks Sicelo ^^ I'm gonna get screwed with that particular flag a lot in the next few months I expect
[16:15] <Sicelo> the more you use it, you'll remember it ;)
[16:16] <Sicelo> nice thing is that the flag works even with scp .. which is cool
[16:17] <Sicelo> but only -r .. hence i use `cp -r` too .. to avoid getting confused when using scp
[16:21] <jerit> who am I!?
[16:21] <jerit> okay jerit without any ---___ nonsense
[16:26] <jerit> so with any luck I should not have any problems with getting disconnected later
[16:26] <Kilos> are you in now jerit 
[16:28] <jerit> I seem to be yeah
[16:28] <Kilos> yay
[16:28] <jerit> connected to my znc and everything although that wasn't as straightforward as expected
[16:30] <Kilos> normally once setup quassel is pretty stable
[16:49] <magespawn> Back 
[16:50] <ra1v3n> wb
[16:52] <andrewlsd> Wb 
[16:53] <theblazehen> Na3iL: Yes.
[17:09] <jerit> magespawn: Kilos was gonna ask you to help me set up Quassel
[17:09] <jerit> but I'm very heppy wiff myself because I did it all on my own :P
[17:09] <Kilos> haha
[17:09] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:19] <magespawn> howdy
[17:22] <magespawn> jerit what did you need help with or are you sorted
[17:22] <magespawn> ?
[17:23] <jerit> well I was opening Quassel Client by mistake
[17:23] <jerit> And then I wanted to connect to my znc as well
[17:24] <magespawn> just the client or the all in one?
[17:25] <jerit> all's I wanted to do was to just chat here
[17:25] <Kilos> haha
[17:25] <jerit> so Quassel Client/Quassel Core wasn't really what I was looking for
[17:26] <Kilos> now you can bounce from a cell or other pc as well
[17:27] <jerit> oh because of znc?
[17:27] <magespawn> the quassel core work more like znc
[17:27] <Kilos> i dont know, magespawn will
[17:33] <Kilos> there jerit the core does the bouncing without znc
[17:34] <theblazehen> You kind of have to wonder if documentation is up to date if you have to go to archive.org to get it
[17:34] <jerit> I'll definitely look at it when I'm less frantic trying to fix my contractor's broken code and do his documentation for him
[17:34] <jerit> lol theblazehen I'd wager it isn't :P
[17:35] <theblazehen> jerit: To be fair, I'm trying to port to hardware from a similar time period
[17:35] <jerit> lol well then maybe it is
[17:38] <theblazehen> Did I mention how fun running `make -j` is on the linux kernel with lots of ram?
[17:38] <theblazehen> Limited ram to 26GB, so had to run make twice, but 30 GB would probably have been enough
[17:39] <theblazehen> Over 2000 processes running
[17:39] <theblazehen> load of over 230
[17:42] <ra1v3n> wb jerit 
[17:43] <jerit> this is annoying. Apparently it doesn't matter if I'm using Quassel or mIRC except that Quassel seems to be able to connect again
[17:43] <Kilos> kill mirc then
[18:03] <Sicelo> hmm .. i might regret debian testing fast :P
[18:03] <Sicelo> no longer have hibernate/sleep in kde
[18:03] <theblazehen> 2/230/430/
[18:14] <Sicelo> systemd suspend works, at least :-/
[18:14] <Sicelo> the new KDE is "scary" .. has user icon that looks like it came out of Windows 10
[18:14] <Sicelo> :-/
[18:15] <Kilos> haha
[18:15] <Sicelo> the UI has killed the traditional minimize, max, close buttons ... 
[18:16] <Sicelo> with the side effect that i am unable now to move firefor around when it has many tabs open .. nowhere to "hold" the window :D
[18:17] <Kilos> Sicelo have you tried many workspaces
[18:17] <Kilos> im using 9 but dunno if 16.04 can do that
[18:17] <Sicelo> not on this new one .. but Focus-Follows-Mouse works, at least
[18:18] <Sicelo> what's 9? Ubuntu 9?
[18:18] <Kilos> 9 seperate desktops
[18:18] <Kilos> separate
[18:18] <Sicelo> ah
[18:18] <Sicelo> should be doable 
[18:19] <Kilos> then you use the desktop switcher to switch
[18:19] <Sicelo> found the settings .. can do up to 10 workspaces
[18:19] <Sicelo> Kilos: that sounds hacky :)
[18:20] <Sicelo> there should be a proper way to move windows around
[18:20] <Kilos> i use 10 on desktop
[18:20] <Kilos> the n you leave ff on its own space
[18:21] <Sicelo> feels like Unity now 
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Sicelo> oh .. not to mention this kde is flat like windows 10 too
[18:23] <Sicelo> Microsoft Loves Linux after all, haha
[18:24] <Kilos> that was after their smear campaign
[18:25] <magespawn> chat later all, home time
[18:25] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[18:26] <Sicelo> so easiest way to move window around is to right-click them on task bar :-/
[18:31] <Sicelo> ah .. got a theme with 'sane' buttons 
[18:35] <Kilos> hi K_K_N kzn north coast right?
[18:35] <K_K_N> Kilos: yep
[18:35] <Kilos> right , i gotcha placed now
[18:36] <K_K_N> yep
[18:37] <K_K_N> hows the weather been, checked on the news a tornado hit Tembisa, I never knew that South Africa even has tornadoes its the first time I heard of it
[18:38] <Kilos> yeah not often
[18:38] <Kilos> rained in tvl even
[18:39] <K_K_N> well we definitely need the rain the water restrictions are not cool at all
[18:40] <K_K_N> if you wake up too late then no bath until it comes back
[18:40] <jerit> apparently something on my pc is stuffing around with my connection
[18:40] <K_K_N> I hope it rained enough above the damns
[18:40] <K_K_N> *dams
[18:40] <Kilos> they still hoping
[18:44] <nsnzero> evening all 
[18:44] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[18:45] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[18:46] <nsnzero> anybody used gambas ? 
[18:46] <jerit> K_K_N: didn't you know? The dams are empty because the sun evaporates all of the water
[18:48] <K_K_N> is it jerit, and here I was thinking that the peeps are using too much water to flush their toilets...
[18:48] <K_K_N> ...hahahahahahaahahah
[18:50] <K_K_N> oh no I think jerit may have been offended with my humour, sorry jerit, I am always joking if you did not know ;)
[18:53] <K_K_N> but on a serious note we need more rain, the last news update I heard before the rain, said that if we do not get rain soon, I think it was haelmere dam they spoke about, it would be empty by next year Feb or so
[18:54] <Kilos> hi shadow 
[18:54] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:55] <Kilos> yes K_K_N times are hard waterwise
[18:55] <Kilos> we lucky with our own borehole
[18:56] <Kilos> jerit ill be in a meeting in africa channel soon, greet new peeps for me please
[18:57] <jerit> K_K_N: very little offends me (basically only insults to my intelligence or character)
[18:57] <jerit> Kilos will do my best - just really busy with testing of stuff
[18:57] <K_K_N> yep I was lucky when we were still living on the farm, we had water tanks, now we living in a residential area and no water tank :(
[18:58] <K_K_N> lol @ jerit nice to know, same here ;)
[18:58] <K_K_N> hehe
[19:00] <jerit> :)
[19:02] <jerit> my connection is making me cry right now :(
[19:02] <jerit> maybe its just the CORS extension I've got on
[19:08] <K_K_N1> (9:09:42 PM) K_K_N: my connection does that to me all the time, I have grown to live with it but it has resulted in me being constantly frustrated
[19:08] <K_K_N1> LOL
[19:08] <K_K_N1> and I get disconnected like almost immediately
[19:27] <inetpro> good night all
[19:27] <inetpro> way too cold to even attempt scrolling 
[19:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:30] <Kilos> see email from ian please
[19:30] <K_K_N> grab a nice mug of Hot Chocolate inetpro it always warms you up
[19:31] <K_K_N> hot coffee will do the same but then you may not be able to sleep for hours
[19:45] <ra1v3n> gnyt all
[19:51] <jerit> that looks like my bouncer
[20:14] <pavlushka> Good Night ZA!
[20:15] <Kilos> night pavlushka 
[20:29] <Kilos> paddatrapper you here