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Glorfindel | Any recommendations for an audio interface for XLR and ΒΌ inch plugs? Looking for something cheapish | 13:25 |
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Glorfindel | And USB preferably | 13:25 |
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OvenWerks | Glorfindel: assuming 2 channels is enough... The ART project series USB Dual Pre comes to mind. | 18:04 |
OvenWerks | Also the Tube MP though that is only 1 channel if better sounding. They used to sell a USB Dual Tube Pre which I use. | 18:06 |
OvenWerks | These all work fine down to less than 5ms latency (jack set to 64/2) ok. They are 16 bit USB 1.1 and just work with any HW I have tried. | 18:07 |
OvenWerks | The next step up is pretty much the Presonus 1818VSL though there are other models with fewer inputs and outputs. It is 24bit USB2.0. With any USB audio IF I would read: https://community.ardour.org/node/8833?page=1 In particular the last three or so messages. | 18:15 |
OvenWerks | It seems USB chipsets do matter for low latency audio... Intel and VIA = bad and NEC is good (TI may be good too. | 18:16 |
OvenWerks | These are the USB chips on the Mother Board and with a desktop may require a good PCIe USB board to get around. For a lap top... outa luck probably for low latency sound... use higher latency. | 18:18 |
OvenWerks | There are USB3 Audio interfaces.... but the price is generally $900 + | 18:20 |
Glorfindel | OvenWerks: Thanks for replying! I'd almost given up hope for this channel :D | 18:20 |
OvenWerks | Glorfindel: we are not that active... sorry. | 18:21 |
Glorfindel | I'm hoping for 2 channels at least, 4 would be better | 18:21 |
Glorfindel | Na, I know how that is ;) | 18:22 |
OvenWerks | Glorfindel: in general any USB 2.0 inteface that says it is USB2.0 compliant will work. Look for ones that do not require drivers for OSx. | 18:22 |
Glorfindel | Ok | 18:23 |
Glorfindel | Reading backlog one second | 18:23 |
Glorfindel | What are the drawbacks of high latency? | 18:25 |
OvenWerks | Glorfindel: for recording none really. | 18:25 |
OvenWerks | for using the computer as a guitar effect anything above 128/2 is hard to play with. | 18:26 |
OvenWerks | same with using the computer as a live synth. | 18:26 |
Glorfindel | Ahhh, ok. This use case is recording | 18:26 |
OvenWerks | So basically for studio use high is fine and uses less cpu anyway. | 18:27 |
OvenWerks | for stage use low latency is mandatory. | 18:27 |
Glorfindel | Though I was thinking maybe I could route the audio through ardour and then back to a powered mixer for amplification | 18:28 |
Glorfindel | This is for a small church so just vocals anyway | 18:29 |
OvenWerks | Glorfindel: I play bass and find that by the time I get 30 feet from the stage (with a long cord) It affects my playing. I can hear the delay from when I play to when I hear and it is hard on timing. | 18:30 |
OvenWerks | Singers may be different. But less than 10ms round trip seems to be ok from what I can tell. | 18:31 |
Glorfindel | The speakers are 30 feet away too? | 18:31 |
OvenWerks | Ya, I walk back to do sound sometimes. | 18:31 |
OvenWerks | (when practicing) | 18:32 |
OvenWerks | (also a small church BTW) | 18:32 |
Glorfindel | From what I've read that's normal, 1ms of latency per foot | 18:32 |
OvenWerks | But if you are recording only from the mixer and the vocalists are hearing themselves from the mixer (not the sound card) then it is no problem. | 18:33 |
OvenWerks | We just use the builtin HDA Audio interface to record in our case) | 18:34 |
OvenWerks | I use Aux6 (aux1 - 4 monitors aux 5 FX) to record at about 12 dB down. | 18:35 |
Glorfindel | Well, what I had in mind is rather complicated and I'm using a phone, so sometime I'll get on a pc and explain, but I was going to go to pc -> tweak -> mixer as amp -> output | 18:36 |
Glorfindel | Because I would need more aux outputs than I have otherwise | 18:37 |
OvenWerks | Only thing to do is try. | 18:37 |
OvenWerks | If you can get jack to run at 128/2 or better 64/2 you should be fine. | 18:38 |
Glorfindel | I'd rather know if it's likely to work before I buy equipment... ;) | 18:38 |
Glorfindel | Ok | 18:38 |
Glorfindel | Thanks for your help! :) | 18:38 |
OvenWerks | if you have more than one USB port on the computer, try them all for lowest xruns. It does make a difference. | 18:39 |
OvenWerks | The first unit I meantioned was able to run at 64/2 on an old atom netbook (single core) with no xruns | 18:40 |
OvenWerks | I did have to make sure to use the right hand USB port and leave the second USB port on that side empty. But I could still use the USB port on the left side for other stuff. | 18:41 |
OvenWerks | Glorfindel: My general practice is to take my computer to the music store and try before I buy. Good music stores will always say yes. | 18:41 |
Glorfindel | I wasn't planning on going to a music store actually, eBay ;) | 18:48 |
Glorfindel | I should look around, see if there are any in my area | 18:48 |
OvenWerks | The place I buy has at least a one year it gets fixed no matter why it died. (spilled coffee on it included) | 18:50 |
OvenWerks | (long and mquade in Canada) | 18:52 |
Glorfindel | Oh nice | 19:01 |
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