=== jbermudes_ is now known as jbermudes [13:25] Any recommendations for an audio interface for XLR and ¼ inch plugs? Looking for something cheapish [13:25] And USB preferably === sakrecoer is now known as sakrecoer_ === test is now known as Guest17176 [18:04] Glorfindel: assuming 2 channels is enough... The ART project series USB Dual Pre comes to mind. [18:06] Also the Tube MP though that is only 1 channel if better sounding. They used to sell a USB Dual Tube Pre which I use. [18:07] These all work fine down to less than 5ms latency (jack set to 64/2) ok. They are 16 bit USB 1.1 and just work with any HW I have tried. [18:15] The next step up is pretty much the Presonus 1818VSL though there are other models with fewer inputs and outputs. It is 24bit USB2.0. With any USB audio IF I would read: https://community.ardour.org/node/8833?page=1 In particular the last three or so messages. [18:16] It seems USB chipsets do matter for low latency audio... Intel and VIA = bad and NEC is good (TI may be good too. [18:18] These are the USB chips on the Mother Board and with a desktop may require a good PCIe USB board to get around. For a lap top... outa luck probably for low latency sound... use higher latency. [18:20] There are USB3 Audio interfaces.... but the price is generally $900 + [18:20] OvenWerks: Thanks for replying! I'd almost given up hope for this channel :D [18:21] Glorfindel: we are not that active... sorry. [18:21] I'm hoping for 2 channels at least, 4 would be better [18:22] Na, I know how that is ;) [18:22] Glorfindel: in general any USB 2.0 inteface that says it is USB2.0 compliant will work. Look for ones that do not require drivers for OSx. [18:23] Ok [18:23] Reading backlog one second [18:25] What are the drawbacks of high latency? [18:25] Glorfindel: for recording none really. [18:26] for using the computer as a guitar effect anything above 128/2 is hard to play with. [18:26] same with using the computer as a live synth. [18:26] Ahhh, ok. This use case is recording [18:27] So basically for studio use high is fine and uses less cpu anyway. [18:27] for stage use low latency is mandatory. [18:28] Though I was thinking maybe I could route the audio through ardour and then back to a powered mixer for amplification [18:29] This is for a small church so just vocals anyway [18:30] Glorfindel: I play bass and find that by the time I get 30 feet from the stage (with a long cord) It affects my playing. I can hear the delay from when I play to when I hear and it is hard on timing. [18:31] Singers may be different. But less than 10ms round trip seems to be ok from what I can tell. [18:31] The speakers are 30 feet away too? [18:31] Ya, I walk back to do sound sometimes. [18:32] (when practicing) [18:32] (also a small church BTW) [18:32] From what I've read that's normal, 1ms of latency per foot [18:33] But if you are recording only from the mixer and the vocalists are hearing themselves from the mixer (not the sound card) then it is no problem. [18:34] We just use the builtin HDA Audio interface to record in our case) [18:35] I use Aux6 (aux1 - 4 monitors aux 5 FX) to record at about 12 dB down. [18:36] Well, what I had in mind is rather complicated and I'm using a phone, so sometime I'll get on a pc and explain, but I was going to go to pc -> tweak -> mixer as amp -> output [18:37] Because I would need more aux outputs than I have otherwise [18:37] Only thing to do is try. [18:38] If you can get jack to run at 128/2 or better 64/2 you should be fine. [18:38] I'd rather know if it's likely to work before I buy equipment... ;) [18:38] Ok [18:38] Thanks for your help! :) [18:39] if you have more than one USB port on the computer, try them all for lowest xruns. It does make a difference. [18:40] The first unit I meantioned was able to run at 64/2 on an old atom netbook (single core) with no xruns [18:41] I did have to make sure to use the right hand USB port and leave the second USB port on that side empty. But I could still use the USB port on the left side for other stuff. [18:41] Glorfindel: My general practice is to take my computer to the music store and try before I buy. Good music stores will always say yes. [18:48] I wasn't planning on going to a music store actually, eBay ;) [18:48] I should look around, see if there are any in my area [18:50] The place I buy has at least a one year it gets fixed no matter why it died. (spilled coffee on it included) [18:52] (long and mquade in Canada) [19:01] Oh nice