[00:04] <redblade> hi
[00:04] <redblade> i just switched from linuxmint xfce to xubuntu
[00:05] <redblade> i'm having a weird problem that i can't find a straight answer for
[00:05] <bazhang> state the acutal issue please
[00:05] <redblade> every time i mount an external jump drive or external hard drive using thunar
[00:05] <redblade> it mounts root:root 777
[00:05] <redblade> this makes things very annoying, i have to remount with ntfs-3g options in my home directory
[00:06] <redblade> i never had this problem under mint
[00:06] <bazhang> what command are you using exactly
[00:06] <redblade> right clicking the drive in thunar, mount
[00:06] <bazhang> ntfs is not a linux file system
[00:06] <redblade> it shows up in /media/username/label with root:root and 777 all files & folders
[00:06] <redblade> i know
[00:06] <redblade> how do i force the username and fmask/dmask with thunar?
[00:07] <bazhang> so the permissions are not even close to similar
[00:07] <redblade> it's kind of annoying to remount it ntfs-3g in my home folder at the command line
[00:07] <redblade> if i want to do any large amount of copying
[00:08] <redblade> i dont know what mint's thunar did, but i remmeber it wasnt 777
[00:09] <knome> i would look into fstab
[00:10] <redblade> knome: for every single usb drive i own?
[00:11] <knome> well, don't...
[00:12] <redblade> does it do that for you? try it
[00:12] <redblade> ntfs usb drive, mount through thunar
[00:12] <knome> i don't use ntfs usb drives
[00:14] <redblade> you format them to ext4 after you buy them?
[00:15] <mrkramps> redblade, i do not see a problem
[00:15] <redblade> pointless, it shoudl go between oses
[00:15] <knome> ext2 actually, and i only have one, which has specific options in fstab.
[00:15] <redblade> what are the permissions you get, and is it root:root?
[00:15] <redblade> mrkramps:
[00:15] <bazhang> for ntfs?
[00:16] <redblade> yes
[00:16] <bazhang> never
[00:16] <redblade> mrkramps just tried it i want to see what happened there
[00:16] <bazhang> and you are imaginging that ntfs has some linux permissions, it doesnt
[00:17] <Snackerr> Hello,  is it safe to backup a NTFS HDD to a EXT4?  what do you lose?  (someone said mp3 tags?  photo metadata?)
[00:17] <redblade> oh this should be confusing, trying to keep up with both conversations lol
[00:18] <redblade> Snackerr: definitely not mp3 tags, i doubt photo metadata
[00:19] <Snackerr> redblade, so what do you lose?
[00:19] <knome> why would you lose anything?
[00:19] <knome> ntfs is the lesser filesystem
[00:19] <knome> or, the one with less features to be exact
[00:20] <redblade> would there be differences in characters and length of file names?
[00:20] <redblade> easily solved though by zipping or tarball
[00:20] <knome> i'd imagine the problems might start when restoring
[00:20] <mrkramps> redblade, your ubuntu version
[00:20] <Snackerr> knome, someone told me that you lose 'metadata'  e.g.  if the folder is "hidden"
[00:20] <redblade> if it's too large a file tar woudl gz
[00:20] <redblade> without gz
[00:20] <redblade> mrkramps: the xubuntu that just came out, 16.04.1
[00:23] <mrkramps> redblade, seems like this should not happen, although the drive has full user access with 777
[00:24] <redblade> i just tried a fat32 one i have and it isn't 777
[00:25] <redblade> and not root
[00:26] <redblade> so you have regularuser:regulargroup with 777 for all files and folders?
[00:28] <redblade> for ntfs
[00:28] <mrkramps> redblade, i still use 14.04, but it seems more like user:user 700
[00:28] <bazhang> is he using sudo with thunar
[00:29] <bazhang> there's no credible reason to use ntfs-3g in this day and age
[00:29] <redblade> i doubt it, i'm logged in as a normal user
[00:30] <redblade> and clicknig thunar on the desktop
[00:30] <redblade> and clicking on the drive and it mounts
[00:30] <mrkramps> redblade, can you check syslog for the cmdline options used to mount the drive
[00:30] <mrkramps> ?
[00:30] <mrkramps>  grep "Cmdline options:" /var/log/syslog
[00:31] <mrkramps> probably better to get some more context:$ grep -C 3 "Cmdline options:" /var/log/syslog
[00:32] <redblade> actually it's not root:root i was mistaken
[00:32] <redblade> but it is 777
[00:33] <redblade> normaluser:normalgroup
[00:33] <redblade> ntfs-3g[27645]: Cmdline options: rw,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,uhelper=udisks2
[00:33] <redblade> ()that is one of the drives)
[00:36] <redblade> yep both disks when using thunar have that string. it isn't root:root, sorry about that
[00:37] <redblade> both disks i was trying
[00:37] <mrkramps> sry, i only have one ntfs formatted drive vor testing and as this is a could storage backup of a linux server the permissions might have been set before
[00:37] <redblade> if i only knew how to change thunar's "cmdline" and add a dmask= and an fmask=
[00:38] <mrkramps> redblade, this is not a thunar issue
[00:39] <redblade> is thunar just a frontend to something else?
[00:40] <bazhang> thunar the window manager?
[00:40] <redblade> thunar's the file manager
[00:40] <knome> thunar is the file manager.
[00:40] <bazhang> redblade, it's clearly not a thunar issue here
[00:41] <mrkramps> i guess it is udisk2?
[00:42] <redblade> not familiar with udisks2
[00:42] <bazhang> odds on favorite its a corrupt ntfs drive
[00:42] <redblade> it's not corrupt i use them all the time
[00:42] <redblade> it just shouldnt automatically be 777
[00:43] <bazhang> 777 being linuc permissions
[00:43] <redblade> i want to change the defaults for all ntfs drives to be dmask=022 and fmask=133 whenever i use thunar
[00:46] <redblade> is there any way to do that? or am i forced to use 777 unless i mount it at the cli?
[00:46] <redblade> 777 i mean chmod sorry
[00:47] <redblade> umask 000
[00:48] <mrkramps> udev rules
[00:51] <redblade> i think that's what i'm looking for mrkramps. i guess mint has its own udev rules built in
[00:52] <mrkramps> redblade, just compare the configuration mint uses then
[00:53] <redblade> lol i dont have mint anymore it's been replaced with xubuntu
[00:54] <redblade> i just found this file, seems to be what i'm looking for: https://github.com/HalisCz/udev-automount/blob/master/10-flash-mounts.rules
[00:58] <mrkramps> redblade, you can access all packages from the min repository online …
[00:58] <mrkramps> http://packages.linuxmint.com/
[01:12] <redblade> that only lists package names, and this is proving truly difficult as everyone has their own scripts, plus stuff is outdated as things have progressed
[01:21] <redblade> why do i have to learn a new scripting language just to change the default mount options?
[01:22] <redblade> i find tons of conflicting stuff, some outdated and pre-systemd, etc
[01:22] <redblade> sucks
[01:22] <redblade> maybe i should try in ##linux, if there's a package i dont know about
[01:29] <mrkramps> redblade, i am not sure but i guess udisk2 will call for mount.ntfs
[01:30] <mrkramps> which seems to be a link to ntfs-3g only
[01:38] <redblade> all the rules people come up with are for automounting. i dont want to automount, i want to manually mount with thunar
[01:39] <redblade> is it that perhaps mint and slackware used an older or patched version of thunar to mount with sane permissions for ntfs jump drives?
[01:43] <redblade> i found a lot of files in /lib/udev/rules.d
[01:48] <redblade> cant find anything relating to mounting in any of them
[01:48] <redblade> :(
[01:48] <redblade> it's a good thing i dont copy large amounts of large files from usb disks too often
[01:48] <mrkramps>  /lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks2.rules
[01:49] <redblade> and usually it's tarballed or 7zipped when i do
[01:49] <redblade> the only reference to ntfs i found there was for ignoring a recovery partition
[01:53] <redblade> i gotta have dinner it's late
[01:59] <redblade> hey does xubuntu have an automatic updater like mint has?
[01:59] <knob> Yes redblade
[02:00] <knob> Hello everyone.  I have two n00b questions.  I downloaded Android Studio... unzipped the file, and now I have the whole directory structure.  If in the command line I go to /android-studio/bin/ and run ./studio.sh   , it brings up Android Studio GUI.
[02:00] <redblade> what's the package called
[02:01] <knob> My two questions: Where should I move this bin?   To   /usr/local/bin   and drop it in there?            And then, how could I create a shortcut so I can access Android Studio GUI   via Alt+F2
[02:01] <knob> redblade, Software Updater
[02:01] <knob> That's what I run when I hit Alt+F2
[02:02] <redblade> ok. i'm chatting on windows and my linux pc is in another room so i'm kind of going back and forth
[02:02] <redblade> but i gotta have dinner now
[02:02] <knob> redblade, nice
[02:02] <knob> no problem... this channel is a little bit slow because of the time, yet the people in here are awesome.  =)
[02:04] <Unit193> knob: Create a 'desktop' file for the launcher, either putting it in ~/.local/share/applications/ or global one.  Also, you can add it to your userpath if you don't want to use /usr/local/
[02:05] <knob> Unit193, thanks... I have never dropped a new "binary" anywhere, so I have no idea what "best practice" is.
[02:05] <knob> Hmm.... ~/.local/share/application sounds good
[02:10] <knob> Unit193, I dropped the /bin  into  ~/.local/share/applications/bin     ... and I also created the Desktop file.   Any idea how I can make the "Android Studio" desktop shortcut appear when I use Alt+F2 (Application Finder) ?
[02:12] <Unit193> knob: ~/.local/bin/ for the binary.  And, if you entirely terminate xfce4-appfinder and launch it again, *should* find it.
[02:12] <knob> Ahhh super!  Ok... trying that out
[02:16] <knob> Yeah!! Now we're cooking!!  w00t w00t!! Thanks Unit! :)
[02:16] <knob> Unit193,
[02:16] <Unit193> Sure thing, doc.
[06:10] <vahvero> i have weird problem. I try to connect with samba to server where is libreoffice odt file and i can't open it. error is general I/O-error. So gvfs has maybe issues. With Linux Mint there isn't problem. Hmm.
[06:19] <vahvero> even if i make new file and move it to server. i can't open it with libreoffice.  Normal text file i can open with mousepad and do editing.
[07:22] <Matboe> Hi all!  Anyone able to help me with a xubuntu wifi issue?
[09:03] <vahvero> Problem solved! i did install libreoffice-gnome package and gvfs connection to samba server started to work!! :D NICE!!
[11:13] <sine0> hello folks. I really love xubuntu it makes my linux desktop life worth living as it is how a desktop should look and behave in my opinion, however I have a couple of problems that are starting to plague my workflow and wondered if anyone would be able to help or offer a solution
[11:15] <sine0> first of all when i hit print screen a window comes up with suggestions, save to file or copy to buffer for paste
[11:16] <sine0> it will save to file but I cannot copy it to the paste buffer as when i do no application accepts the paste, it says no metadata or no data. this is not just limited to gimp
[14:35] <xubuntu18w> hello
[14:35] <xubuntu18w> anyone?
[14:35] <xubuntu18w> i need help
[14:36] <genii> xubuntu18w: Best to just describe your problem to the channel, and then see if someone may offer a solution
[14:37] <xubuntu18w> Okay, i installed last version of xubuntu. but i have resolution problem.
[14:38] <xubuntu18w> I cant make higher resolution then 1024*768
[14:38] <xubuntu18w> than*
[14:39] <xubuntu18w> ?
[14:41] <xubuntu18w> Anyone
[14:41] <xubuntu18w> ?
[14:41] <genii> xubuntu18w: You may want to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[14:41] <xubuntu18w> Thank you. I will check , if it doesnt work, i will be back
[14:43]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:53] <xubuntu18w> It didn't work... Any advices ?
[15:05] <genii> xubuntu18w: What kind of connector is on the graphics card, what kind of connector is it attached to at the monitor, and what kind of cord connects them? Often if different kind, the monitor's EDID info cannot be read
[15:19] <beratarvass> I cant make higher resolution than 1024x768. What is the problem ?
[15:23] <genii> As I asked earlier:
[15:23] <genii> xubuntu18w: What kind of connector is on the graphics card, what kind of connector is it attached to at the monitor, and what kind of cord connects them? Often if different kind, the monitor's EDID info cannot be read
[16:12]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:02] <xubuntu69w> hello, i need help. i have dual boot xubuntu/win10 and after once of update/upgrade xubuntu 16.04 has stopped working. Now booting directly to win10 :(
[18:08] <knob> xubuntu69w, was the last upgrade done by Windows10?
[18:08] <knob> Or Xubuntu?
[18:09] <xubuntu69w> after upgrade in xubuntu
[18:12] <knob> hmm
[18:15] <xubuntu62w> i try boot-repair but it didnt help
[18:20] <doc|work> hey. I'm setting up 4x1080p screens using displayport daisy chaining. It's recognising that there are 4 screens and laying them out correctly, but showing them as a single 1080p screen with no resolution options higher than that. Anyone got any suggestions on how to get them recognised as a single 4k device?
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[21:00] <RWF> true
[21:01] <knome> (and this is a support channel, general chatter at #xubuntu-offtopic if you are looking for something like that)
[21:01] <RWF> ever chat on  www.Buzzen.com  ?
[21:01] <RWF> oh ok thanks
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