[00:14] <clivejo> yofel: still awake?
[00:14] <yofel> clivejo: for some reason yes
[00:14] <clivejo> how come?
[00:15] <yofel> spent a while trying to do a win10 upgrade on a noteook, and now wanted to finish something before bedtime
[00:16] <clivejo> I want to replace Win10 on my mothers laptop, but I cant get the printer to work
[00:16] <clivejo> thats a big deal breaker for her
[00:17] <yofel> heh, yeah, my dad's canon is also a driver mess. 
[00:17] <clivejo> its a brother and there seems to be drivers
[00:17] <clivejo> but for i386 :/
[00:18] <clivejo> how long will the upgrade take?
[00:21] <yofel> download took ~1h, then it started setting stuff up on the running system for another one, then it got stuck at 90% with one svhost process running full throttle. I'll let it run overnight and reset if nothing happens till morning
[00:21] <yofel> so, meh
[00:21] <yofel> my previous win10 upgrades all did a shutdown-then-upgrade, which went without problems and took ~1.5h
[00:22] <tsimonq2> yofel: do you have a Winodes 10 install?
[00:22] <tsimonq2> *Windows
[00:22] <clivejo> what the hell does it be doing to take 1.5hours
[00:22] <clivejo> is it building the upgrade from source?
[00:24] <yofel> no, but win isn't particulary small
[00:24] <yofel> tsimonq2: yes
[00:26] <clivejo> yofel: can I add trojita to KCI to build once a week or something?
[00:30] <yofel> clivejo: maybe. If we don't add it to the tooling config it might ignore it on job updates
[00:31] <clivejo> does the tooling remove jobs it doesnt know about?
[00:31] <yofel> It doesn't look like it from what I've seen
[00:32] <clivejo> is there anything we can do about KDE git?
[00:32] <yofel> no... but I wonder if linode is the problem here...
[00:34] <clivejo> true, Ive never had any issues connecting to KDE git
[00:34] <clivejo> could there be throttling going on?
[00:34] <clivejo> max connection count or something
[00:36] <clivejo> if I add it manually would you add it when you next run the script?
[00:39] <yofel> if I add it to the script, the script will overwrite all your settings
[00:39] <clivejo> thats fine
[00:40] <yofel> but yeah, could be throttling. Maybe jenkins has a way to not start all jobs at once
[00:41] <yofel> anyway, off to bed now, nini
[00:41] <clivejo> good night
[03:44] <santa_> clivejo: hey, I got something important for you, tomorrow we can discuss it when we are around
[05:03] <Mirv> morning
[07:07] <acheronuk> Morning :)
 Something important?
[07:15] <soee> tsimonq2: what package was missing to get holidays in calendar ?
[07:16] <acheronuk> soee: qml-module-org-kde-kholidays
[07:16] <soee> acheronuk: thanks
[07:16] <soee> btw. for YY we should stage Beta of KDE Applications 16.08
[07:16] <soee> than it will be easier to work on final when it comes
[07:17] <soee> hmm i have this package installed but still no holidays
[07:18] <soee> oh meh, i had that option turned off in calendar settings :/
[07:30] <yofel> soee: I would appreciate it if you can prepare a list of 16.08 applications that exclude pim* - *that* we could indeed already be working on
[07:30] <yofel> in the meanwhile, people are fixing apps in ci, which helps
[07:36] <sitter> mh. if you have missing qml deps that the CI doesn't complain about you might want to have a look why that is
[07:37] <sitter> there is a test for qml dependencies, which should be 99% accurate
[07:41] <soee> yofel: what would be the best way to find those that dont use pim ?
[07:43] <yofel> soee: good question (which is why I'm looking for volunteers). I think we need the whole dependency tree below kdepimlibs removed
[08:55] <soee> clivejo: ping
[08:56]  * clivejo pongs soee over the head
[08:56] <soee> clivejo: do we have 5.7 for Xenial issues fixed ?
[08:56] <clivejo> no
[08:56] <soee> clivejo: ok :)
[08:57] <clivejo> can you test install it and give some feedback
[08:58] <clivejo> I forget where we are up to
[08:58] <soee> clivejo: sure but is there any point if there are know issues that aren't fixed yet?
[08:58] <soee> clivejo: one b\packaged needs rebuild - that was what you said last time :)
[08:59] <clivejo> well I think acheronuk rebuilt thingie-ma-bob
[08:59] <soee> also there were some translations problems reported by mamarley i think
[08:59] <clivejo> translations are due to apps and kde-l10n not being backported yet
[09:00] <acheronuk> pyqt5 I did
[09:00] <clivejo> thats the one
[09:00] <clivejo> couldnt remember the name
[09:00] <acheronuk> but yes, at the moment it'll remove user's language packs
[09:01] <clivejo> soee doesnt need his language anyways
[09:01] <acheronuk> at the very least
[09:01] <clivejo> he prefect english :P
[09:01] <clivejo> perfect
[09:01] <soee> oh i don't need text at all in my system
[09:01] <acheronuk> maybe a 'Trump' edition? Only the USA matters?
[09:02] <soee> a long as i have windows shapes with backgrounds i'm fine with it :)
[09:02] <clivejo> here we go again
[09:03] <acheronuk> \t\t !!!!!!!!!! dput failed two times !!!!!!!!!!
[09:03] <acheronuk> If it's not one thing it's another!
[09:03] <clivejo> if its not LP its KDEgit 
[09:03] <soee> all *ubuntu 15.10 die today
[09:04] <acheronuk> soee: yep, got a relative's laptop to upgrade to xenial
[09:05] <acheronuk> bbl
[09:08] <yofel> hm.. it can't be the docker network connections, otherwise it wouldn't ever build anything...
[09:08] <yofel> for kde it might be throtteling - which we could work around with some exception handling and sleep
[09:08] <yofel> but the launchpad uploads puzzle me. put already retries the upload a couple times, but never successfully gets an ssh connection
[09:09] <yofel> *dput
[09:09] <clivejo> is it only happening on Linode, or master too?
[09:09] <yofel> although LP needs exception handling to handle API errors
[09:10] <yofel> clivejo: that's what I'm not sure about either. Did this ever happen on master? The ci has been faling so much recently that I don't remember why it failed
[09:10] <clivejo> I never seen it happen on master
[09:10] <clivejo> the dput issue anyway
[09:10] <yofel> I'll set up another tiny slave on scaleway later, maybe that'll tell us more
[09:10] <clivejo> it was mainly the LP API temp not available
[09:11] <clivejo> that still happens the odd time
[09:11] <yofel> right, that needs more graceful handling
[09:11] <jimarvan> gooood morning :)
[09:11] <clivejo> we need some way to sleep and retry those
[09:12] <jimarvan> did I here 15.10 dies today?
[09:12] <jimarvan> :D
[09:12] <jimarvan> *hear
 Morning jim, everyone
[09:13] <tsimonq2> o/ RIck
[09:13] <tsimonq2> *Rick
[09:13] <yofel> o/
 Hola Chico
 0/
[09:16] <tsimonq2> Sick_Rimmit: ¡Hola señor! ¿Qué tal?
 Moir bueno, gracias
[09:16] <tsimonq2> :D
 That's it for my spanish I am afraid 😃
[09:51] <clivejo> yofel: it kinda looks like a race condition
[09:52] <clivejo> the way LP publishes mean that it sync's all the build to start at the same time
[09:53] <clivejo> wonder is there a way to stagger the start of new projects
[09:54] <yofel> I found no reasonable way to do that
[09:54] <yofel> and sleep(random(0,60)) or so feeeeeeels wrong......
[09:59]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:07] <mamarley> clivejo: I don't think I reported any translation problems (besides the packages getting removed, but that is fixed now).
[10:07] <clivejo> in YY
[10:07] <clivejo> but not in XX
[10:13] <mamarley> Ah, OK.
[10:49] <tsimonq2> where's the muon source code?
[10:51] <acheronuk> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git
[10:51] <tsimonq2> thanks acheronuk 
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:22] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:23] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:36] <jimarvan> :D
[11:54] <santa_> clivejo: yes, something important. are you around?
[12:53] <soee> Ubutnu 16.10 Alpha 2
[12:56] <tsimonq2> soee: \o/
[12:58] <soee> \/o\
[12:59] <soee> ee how to properly escape text that starts with / ?
[12:59] <yofel> just put a space in front
[12:59] <yofel>  /o\
[13:02]  * soee thinks it was to simple to know it ...
[13:03] <soee> we should add some news our website
[13:03] <soee> and inform users that 15.10 is now dead and they shouls upgrade to 16.04
[13:03] <soee> *should
[13:08] <Mirv> yofel: did you have time to check any additions for silo 41?
[13:10]  * soee thinks that silo 41 sounds like secret chamber with a bomb ... :)
[13:11] <Mirv> :) it's the Frameworks PPA to be copied to yakkety-proposed https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/041
[13:12] <ahoneybun> soee: I removed the links on the Download page for 15.10 a few days ago
[13:12] <ahoneybun> at least
[13:14] <yofel> Mirv: I have plasma building on top of 24 and 41 in https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ubuntu/staging3/+packages feel free to copy (there are already plasma pieces stuck in proposed right now)
[13:14] <yofel> sorry that it took a bit
[13:15] <yofel> I'm fairly sure that everything will build, but I had to fix something yesterday which is why I wanted to wait for everything to be done before poking you
[13:16] <Mirv> yofel: you mean you'd like the whole 5.7 / 40 packages in 041? that's ok, and yes I think it's better to start now and maybe have something complete tomorrow :)
[13:16] <Mirv> yofel: no problem, thanks for your work!
[13:16] <yofel> Mirv: yes, please put them together in 041. And thanks to you for helping with the archive QA ;)
[13:18] <acheronuk> o/ Mirv & yofel  
[13:18] <acheronuk> Great :)
[13:36] <tsimonq2> hey y'all
[13:36] <tsimonq2> working on more qtwebengine stuff
[13:37] <tsimonq2> to give a status update, qtwebchannel is almost done, then we'll get qtwebengine fixed and uploaded
[13:38] <tsimonq2> if you guys want to take a look, we have a Gobby file at gobby.debian.org/Teams/KDE/qtwebengine
[13:38] <yofel> \o/
[13:38] <tsimonq2> but progress nonetheless :)
[13:39] <acheronuk> The requested URL /Teams/KDE/qtwebengine was not found on this server.
[13:40] <acheronuk> but great news tsimonq2 
[13:40] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: install the Gobby package, connect to gobby.debian.org (no *://) and browse to it in the document browser
[13:40] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: ok. right
[13:44] <yotux> Is there a place that a person could get more details about the packing class taking place today
[13:45] <jimarvan> did you check google plus?
[13:45] <yotux> have not looked there yet thank you
[13:45] <jimarvan> https://plus.google.com/+KubuntuPodcast
[13:45] <jimarvan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development
[13:45] <jimarvan> I have to get ready myself too :)
[13:46]  * ahoneybun works on a snap
[13:46] <jimarvan> oh no you don't!
[13:46] <jimarvan> snap? :D
[13:46] <tsimonq2> $ date -u
[13:46] <tsimonq2> Thu Jul 28 13:46:52 UTC 2016
[13:47] <tsimonq2> we have until 18 UTC
[13:47] <ahoneybun> yea might upload it to the store 
[13:47] <ahoneybun> if it works
[13:47] <acheronuk> 7pm here then
[13:48] <yotux> Thanks for the links, was not sure if kubuntu used the Ubuntu Fridge system or if that is still even a valid place for details
[13:51] <ahoneybun> that is a good idea though
[15:04] <mhall119> hey guys, those of you who requested community donations funds to attend Akademy should be getting an email next week, we've just gone through and approved all the ones we had
[15:37] <Mirv> yofel: I've run some rebuilds faster than LP would do it and it feels like 041 could be ready in an hour or two maybe..
[15:38] <Mirv> yofel: if it does, and you have time to smoketest it, I could copy it over already today but also tomorrow morning is fine
[15:38] <Mirv> or whenever, I'm just eager to get to see the autopkgtest infra bombed again :)
[15:38] <yofel> Mirv: I'll try to test it later, thanks!
[15:38] <yofel> yeah... I'm not too optimistic about the autopkgtests, they tend to build nonsense
[15:39] <yofel> TBH, I would be all for force-badtest-ing anything that fails...
[15:43] <Mirv> if you are good friends with an archive admin that might just be possible :)
[15:45] <clivejo> they accept bribes too
[15:49]  * jimarvan yawns
[15:49] <clivejo> less of that!
[15:52]  * acheronuk yawns wider
[15:53]  * yofel yawns
[15:54] <soee> jimarvan: you said you playes Civilization on linux ?
[15:54]  * clivejo goes back to bed
[15:54]  * tsimonq2 throws a bucket of ice water on clivejo and runs
[15:55]  * acheronuk wonders if there is anywhere to hang a hammock in here
[15:55]  * clivejo throws a spinlde of DVDs at tsimonq2
[15:55]  * yofel throws steam at soee
[15:56] <soee> why ? :D
[15:56] <clivejo> thats how to get it!
[15:56] <clivejo> and join the podcast team/group
[15:56] <jimarvan> :D
[15:56] <yofel> dunno, felt softer than throwing Civ at you :P
[15:56] <jimarvan> yes soee
[15:56] <soee> it is available as on of this: https://www.humblebundle.com/2k-games-bundle
[15:56]  * mamarley drives up in a steam locomotive and opens the cylinder purge valves, blowing lots of steam at everyone in the channel.
[15:56] <jimarvan> and it plays wonderfully
[15:56] <soee> so i need to know if it is fun to pay it
[15:57] <jimarvan> even with Intel graphics :)
[15:57] <jimarvan> absolutely man
[15:57] <jimarvan> i was shocked to see, that it performed well even on low settings
[15:57] <soee> jimarvan: V ?
[15:57] <jimarvan> it was visually stunning
[15:57] <jimarvan> yes
[15:57] <jimarvan> Civ 5 :)
[15:57] <jimarvan> with both 2 expansions of course
[15:57] <jimarvan> makes it much more enjoyable
[15:57] <soee> will it work on my 21:9 screen ?:D
[15:57] <jimarvan> yeap yeap
[15:57] <jimarvan> and plays like a charm in Kubuntu
[15:57] <jimarvan> BUT we are off topic :P
[15:57] <yofel> indeed it does
[15:58] <clivejo> but freeciv runs good too :)
[15:58] <jimarvan> hope devs dont kill me
[15:58]  * yofel has Civ VI wishlisted already ^^
[15:58] <jimarvan> freeciv is AWESOME :D
[15:58] <yofel> freeciv I have yet to try
[15:58] <jimarvan> I will personally cover packaging for that game :))
[15:58] <jimarvan> it is good old school Civ 2
[15:59] <jimarvan> and plays fantastically for multi player
[15:59] <jimarvan> if we ever get chance and KDE bugs are all resolved
[15:59] <jimarvan> we should spend some time gaming :P
[16:02] <soee> uhm 10 games to add to steam
[16:04] <jimarvan> soee
[16:05] <jimarvan> there are 2 games free
[16:05] <jimarvan> for linux which are just awesome
[16:05] <jimarvan> one is a card game
[16:05] <clivejo> BTW if anyone wants to try trojita ( http://trojita.flaska.net - light weight email client based on Qt) KCI built its last night for XX and YY amd64
[16:05] <jimarvan> clive i will download latest image
[16:05] <jimarvan> and try it at home :)
[16:05] <jimarvan> does it have connection to gmail?
[16:06] <clivejo> jimarvan: if you have IMAP enabled cant see why not
[16:06] <soee> 2.8 GB to download
[16:06] <soee> 15 min
[16:07] <jimarvan> ok :)
[16:07] <jimarvan> long live my 4Mb/ sec line at home :P
[16:07] <jimarvan> see ya laters guys leaving work
[16:12] <santa_> clivejo: ping
[16:12] <clivejo> santa_: pong
[16:13] <santa_> clivejo: I see you updated the build depends json map in auomation's git. ho did you update it? by hand?
[16:14] <santa_> * how
[16:14] <clivejo> yes, added in the other releases
[16:15] <santa_> well, there are some issues with it
[16:15] <clivejo> oh?
[16:16] <santa_> there are various packages without epoch and therefore the build depends wheren't bumped properly, thing which may lead to random build failures
[16:16] <clivejo> we are having issues with epochs
[16:17] <santa_> which is why you shouldn't update the json files by hand unless it's strictly needed
[16:18] <santa_> and if you do, please report me the problem, so I can fix the underlying thing in the build depend bumping, ok?
[16:18] <clivejo> unfortunately they don’t work as intended unless you do
[16:18] <santa_> they work better than adding stuff by hand in most cases
[16:19] <clivejo> and I didnt realise that some packages had been disabled
[16:19] <clivejo> so I was running the dev-package-name-list and the packages where being ignored
[16:20] <santa_> and when you planned to tell me? :P
[16:20] <clivejo> you werent about at the time :/
[16:21] <clivejo> only yofel figured it out a week of so ago
[16:22] <clivejo> !info !info libkf5baloowidgets-bin
[16:22] <clivejo> !info libkf5baloowidgets-bin
[16:22] <clivejo> for example that package debian was able to drop the epoch when the KF5 port was released
[16:23] <clivejo> unfornuately at the time I was still learning and didnt pick up on the fact
[16:23] <clivejo> and using the KA script it epoched the new kf5 packages
[16:24] <santa_> which is the correct behaviour if our new packages have an epoch
[16:28] <tsimonq2> I'm happy to report that the holidays feature works completely fine
[16:29] <clivejo> this will have to be revert then - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/baloo-widgets/commit/?id=2e172f2cabc9df85b16e0aea092c469f607e6fd5
[16:34] <santa_> clivejo: there is a version already in the archive with an epoch providing packages with the same name, so yes
[16:34] <yofel> yes, I got confused there
[16:34] <yofel> bbl
[16:34] <santa_> note that the script to update the json files reads the version from the changelog
[16:35] <santa_> yofel: when you are back I have things for you too :P
[16:35]  * clivejo wipes his brow
[16:35] <clivejo> are you done with me?
[16:37] <santa_> clivejo: for now, but we will have to sort out the bd bumping sooner or later. just wanted to point out the problem ;)
[17:11] <santa_> yofel: ping me when you back please
[17:21] <clivejo> time for your grilling :P
[17:22] <santa_> hey, not grilling at all, just trying to help ;)
[17:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: *sounds alarms* Dojo is soon!
[17:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: 30 mins :P
[17:25] <wxl> oh yikes 
[17:25] <wxl> is it here ?
[17:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ - password is welcome
[17:27] <wxl> i'll be listening
[17:29] <acheronuk> food and coffee needed in short order before that!
[17:50] <tsimonq2> come on people, who's coming to the dojo? :D
[17:50] <tsimonq2> we're 10 mins out!
[17:52] <jimarvan> :)
[17:55] <yotux> when is the link posted to access webcast
[18:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry guys
[18:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Some troubles
[18:01] <yotux> Sick_Rimmit: it happens its technology right....
[18:02] <jimarvan> :D
[18:03] <jimarvan> come on guys
[18:03] <jimarvan> get in
[18:05] <yotux> jimarvan: what are your referring to when you say get in?
[18:05] <acheronuk> this? http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ - password is welcome
[18:14] <jimarvan> yotux: kubuntu dojo 
[18:14] <jimarvan> learn how to help developing kubuntu (packaging)
[18:28] <yofel> santa_: pong
[18:31] <santa_> yofel: yo I wanted to discuss various things with you
[18:31] <santa_> first of all the kdepim thing
[18:31] <santa_> what are you trying to do exactly? skip it?
[18:33] <yofel> santa_: problem is, kdepimlibs 16.08 requires qtwebengine, which we don't have (yet). And as it is still unclear whether it'll make yakkety, we cannot work on 16.08 until we know that - or we intentionally only work on everything *except* pim
[18:33] <Mirv> ok yofel and everyone interested, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-041/+packages is ready for testing. if you're happy I can publish it.
[18:33] <Mirv> tomorrow, that is, I'll be here in 10h
[18:34] <yofel> Mirv: thanks a lot! I'll try to test in an ~hour. If I don't find anything obvious we're good to go tomorrow
[18:36] <santa_> yofel: that's easy, I can come up with something the next week, so lets discuss the other things affecting the upcoming things for yakkety?
[18:37] <ScottK> yofel: Work on qtwebengine  is finally moving forward in Debian.
[18:37] <tsimonq2> ScottK: I've been keeping everyone preety updated :D
[18:37] <tsimonq2> *pretty
[18:37] <yofel> ScottK: I'm following the discussion
[18:37] <ScottK> OK.
[18:37] <ScottK> I expect you'll have it ~shortly.
[18:37] <yofel> but thanks ;)
[18:38] <ahoneybun> thanks ScottK
[18:39] <santa_> even better, if we have to skip it for a little while I can help
[18:39] <santa_> thanks for the info ScottK
[18:40] <santa_> yofel: now the other things regarding the epochs and the build depends bumping
[18:41] <santa_> there are various things I would like to help to fix so I planned a strategy
[18:41] <santa_> first one I'm going to try to detect the epochs incorrectly removed
[18:42] <santa_> such as that one in baloo-widgets, I'll make merge requests of the affected packages
[18:42] <yofel> that should've only been one
[18:42] <santa_> just baloo-widgets?
[18:42] <yofel> as I think I looked at 5-6 packages, and all other ones had no version in the archive.
[18:42] <yofel> I can look again as removing them from the epoch list was in one commit
[18:43] <santa_> I will double check just in case
[18:43] <yofel> but yeah, that static epoch tracking we have really needs to die
[18:44] <santa_> can I get the epoch back in baloo-widgets in git please?
[18:44] <yofel> clive didn't fix it?
[18:44] <santa_> let me check
[18:44] <yofel> I'm on windows and don't have any ssh keys at hand...
[18:44] <santa_> not yet
[18:44] <yofel> clivejo: could you? ^
[18:44] <santa_> ok, don't worry
[18:45] <santa_> clive is in the dojo, I'll poke him so we will get it fixed
[18:45] <santa_> let's go to the next steps
[18:45] <clivejo> sorry what?
[18:46] <santa_> clivejo: the epoch of baloo-widgets, can we get it back?
[18:47] <clivejo> oh
[18:47] <clivejo> yofel: revert your commit?
[18:48] <yofel> clivejo: will work
[19:02] <santa_> yofel: so once we get the epochs right in the changelogs I plan to do the following:
[19:02] <santa_> 1. change bump-build-dep-versions to work this way
[19:03] <santa_> in addition to the json files we have now we will have override files
[19:03] <santa_> being the override files meant to be edited manually
[19:04] <santa_> so, for instance we would have both frameworks-yakkety.json and frameworks-yakkety-overrides.json
[19:04] <santa_> so frameworks-yakkety.json MUST be changed only using the automatic script
[19:05] <santa_> if you need additional stuff edit frameworks-yakkety-overrides.json
[19:06] <santa_> this could override existing entries in frameworks-yakkety.json or add new build dependencies not listed there
[19:06] <santa_> this way I would inspect the overrides you are using and fix possible bugs in the bumping system
[19:06] <yofel> sounds good
[19:07] <clivejo> santa_: epoch is back
[19:07] <santa_> clivejo: ↑
[19:07] <clivejo> uploaded to staging-apps
[19:07] <santa_> clivejo: great! thank you :)
[19:08] <santa_> ok so once I get the bumping system modified as explained above we might need to fix some packages
[19:08] <santa_> for instance:
[19:08] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_applications.html
[19:08] <santa_> ↑ this is a test rebuild, see akonadi-search
[19:08] <santa_> it was build sucessfully @ amd64
[19:09] <santa_> however it failed @ i386
[19:09] <santa_> and that happens because on amd64 we got lucky and we got the latest packages
[19:09] <santa_> on i386 we didn't and it failed
[19:10] <santa_> so we are swimming into the randomness here
[19:10] <santa_> so to fix that I wil either:
[19:10] <santa_> a) file a few merge requests
[19:11] <santa_> b) request you to run the bumping script against the git branch kubuntu_yakkety_archive and push
[19:11] <santa_> I will to a) if the affected packages are just a few
[19:12] <santa_> I will do b) if they are too many, since I don't have push permissions to git
[19:13] <santa_> yofel, clivejo: and that's it. are guys ok with this?
[19:16] <santa_> yofel: oh I almost forget. I already have a pile of improvements for KA, including the suport for qt bumping which clive used here https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work2
[19:17] <santa_> would be nice to get them in before stacking more patches on top of that ;)
[19:17] <yofel> sounds good to me
[19:17] <yofel> and now I can get my notebook to actually do stuff
[19:38] <clivejo> !info amarok
[19:54] <acheronuk> The 41 landing ppa would seemingly install fine here on YY if I allowed it.
[19:58] <valorie> so we don't need to do the force-downgrading?
[20:01] <jimarvan> valorie: !!!!
[20:01] <jimarvan> tea? :)
[20:01] <valorie> coffee!
[20:01] <valorie> how are you, jimarvan?
[20:02] <santa_> wihtout caffeine for me XD
[20:02] <santa_> its 22:02 here
[20:03] <jimarvan> coffee! roger :>
[20:03] <jimarvan> trying to do my first baby steps
[20:03] <jimarvan> in packaging
[20:03] <valorie> ooooo
[20:03] <santa_> good luck jimarvan
[20:03] <valorie> I sort of lost steam in my packaging attempts
[20:03]  * genii makes a fresh pot 
[20:03] <valorie> perhaps I'll regain my energy after Akademy
[20:05] <wxl> ahh back from lunch
[20:05] <wxl> hai valorie 
[20:05] <valorie> how are you, walter?
[20:06] <valorie> nice to see you here
[20:06] <wxl> good and you?
[20:06] <valorie> pretty good
[20:06] <wxl> yeah well i came in for the packaging dojo
[20:06] <valorie> very cool
[20:06] <valorie> my dad died in May and I've been up and down since then
[20:06] <wxl> awww i'm so sorry to hear that
[20:06] <valorie> he was 89 and had a good long life
[20:07] <valorie> still, it's a change to lose a parent
[20:07] <wxl> yeah, it was hard when my dad died, even though he died in his sleep which is about the best i could hope for him (he had a lot of health issues)
[20:08] <valorie> I'm trying to stay in touch with all my friends here, even if I don't contribute much
[20:08]  * wxl hugs valorie 
[20:09] <wxl> seems that kmahjongg is failing because of a host key issue? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmahjongg/
[20:09] <valorie> thank you wxl
[20:09] <yofel> wxl: look at all 4 last builds, one of those might have an actual errors
[20:10] <yofel> I'm trying to figure out *those* issues in the meantime...
[20:10] <wxl> i think there's only one, yofel 
[20:11] <wxl> it may be unsafe permissions on the gnupg directory looking at the full log, yofel 
[20:11] <yofel> aaaaah
[20:11] <yofel> that's one of those where clive said no jobs get triggered
[20:11] <yofel> ok, now I have a debugging example :)
[20:16] <wxl> of course kmix seems to have similar warnings with different results, but perhaps the problem there is farther upstream
[20:18] <wxl> um and though this supposedly failed, lp seems to suggest it succeeded?
[20:19] <yofel> if a package ends up in DEPWAIT, jenkins will fail it - but it might build on launchpad later on
[20:20] <wxl> yeah that seems to be the case
[20:21] <wxl> so what exactly do we do with those?
[20:22] <yofel> the kmix case, would just need a new build triggered.
[20:22] <yofel> Otherwise, we try to fix the problem, commit that to the kubuntu_unstable branch in our repositories, LP notifies jenkins and that rebuilds the package
[20:22] <wxl> regarding fixing the problem, what would cause the depwait?
[20:24] <yofel> a build ordering issue, or another failure elsewhere
[20:24] <yofel> the ci is *supposed* to enforce build order, but that (and some other things), don't fully work right now
[20:25] <wxl> k
[20:26] <wxl> missing files on cantor
[20:29] <clivejo> Sick_Rimmit: all fished and chipped?
[20:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes thanks :-D
[20:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Phew!!! 
[20:30] <Sick_Rimmit> That Dojo was stressful
[20:30]  * Sick_Rimmit sweating
[20:30] <Sick_Rimmit> I think I know what needs to be done.
[20:31] <Sick_Rimmit> clivejo: You're right, we need to write our own packaging guide
[20:31] <Sick_Rimmit> I think we could develop it at docs.kubuntu.org
[20:32] <Sick_Rimmit> If jimarvan makes a start on those packaging notes, I can work with ahoneybun to get some nice docs developed from it
[20:37] <jimarvan> I will
[20:37] <jimarvan> talking to clive to determine a target package task
[20:37] <jimarvan> to start with
[20:37] <Sick_Rimmit> :-D
[20:37] <jimarvan> I will write down all the steps
[20:37] <jimarvan> including key creation, git source download
[20:37] <jimarvan> everything
[20:37] <jimarvan> from scratch
[20:37] <Sick_Rimmit> Awesome
[20:38] <jimarvan> and then I can make a script to create a youtube video lol
[20:38] <Sick_Rimmit> I'll speak to ahoneybun about adding a packaging section to the docs
[20:38] <jimarvan> brilliant
[20:38] <jimarvan> finally I will get my hands dirty
[20:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Im happy to help with the YouTube Video.
[20:38] <jimarvan> Rick that is your specialty ;)
[20:38] <jimarvan> hehehe
[20:39] <Sick_Rimmit> lol :-D
[20:39] <jimarvan> walter is here?
[20:39] <jimarvan> wxl: yo man
[20:39] <jimarvan> wxl: you have set a launchpad account for yellow belt?
[20:39] <jimarvan> you want rick to make one?
[20:40] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/+git/amarok
[20:41] <ahoneybun> talking about me again
[20:41] <acheronuk> using the 1st tool I found
[20:41] <Sick_Rimmit> Oh hi ahoneybun
[20:42] <jimarvan> acheronuk: awesome
[20:42] <jimarvan> you are already on that?
[20:42] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes, we're talking about producing a packaging guide, because much of the ubuntu stuff is out of date
[20:42]  * acheronuk is not in his git comfort zone
[20:42] <jimarvan> lol
[20:42] <Sick_Rimmit> I've suggested we could build on the work you've already done with the docs
[20:42] <jimarvan> so do you think that is a good targeting package for me?
[20:42] <ahoneybun> I've seen 
[20:43] <santa_> hey clivejo: currently minuet build depends on this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+sourcepub/6668927/+listing-archive-extra
[20:43] <clivejo> libdrumstick?
[20:43] <santa_> so it's not buildable right now unless yo get back that package or you revert the build depend change
[20:44]  * ahoneybun has thought about pulling data from the ubuntu wiki so the full doc book can be offline
[20:44] <jimarvan> Sick_Rimmit: I whispered to walter (wxl) to request entry to the yellow belt team (if he has not done already)
[20:44] <Sick_Rimmit> let me check
[20:44] <clivejo> santa_: sorry, what?
[20:45] <ahoneybun> whos Nathan )yotux
[20:45] <ahoneybun> (yotux
[20:45] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, I've got him.
[20:45] <Sick_Rimmit> added
[20:45] <ahoneybun> wait
[20:45] <ahoneybun> how does Sick_Rimmit have access to that
[20:45] <ahoneybun> it's a KC owned group
[20:45] <santa_> clivejo: minuet right now on git branch kubuntu_yakkety_archive build depends on libdrumstick1-dev
[20:46] <clivejo> yes
[20:46] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: made me admin
[20:46] <santa_> clivejo: however that package is not available in the archive yet, nor in the staging ppa
[20:46] <santa_> clivejo: therefore it's not buildable
[20:46] <clivejo> its in the staging-kdeapplications
[20:46] <ahoneybun> I see
[20:47] <ahoneybun> well my snap works tsimonq2
[20:47] <santa_> solution a) upload the package again to the ppa and upload it to the archive whenever you are going to upload kde applications
[20:47] <clivejo> I cant upload to the archive
[20:47] <santa_> solution b) revert the build depend to libdrumstick-dev (without the 1)
[20:48] <santa_> solution c) change the build depend to be libdrumstick1-dev | libdrumstick-dev
[20:48] <clivejo> solution b didnt work
[20:48] <clivejo> package in yakkety was too old
[20:48] <wxl> Sick_Rimmit: yes, please add me to yellow belt. should i ask to join?
[20:48] <clivejo> as of a couple of weeks ago
[20:48] <Sick_Rimmit> wxl: Done :-D
[20:49] <wxl> thx!
[20:49] <wxl> jimarvan: did you find a package to work on?
[20:49] <clivejo> !info libdrumstick-dev
[20:50] <santa_> so we have to go for the a) if the b) didn't work
[20:50] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrumstick
[20:51] <clivejo> thats sync'ed from debian?
[20:51] <yofel> it is
[20:53] <acheronuk> yofel: did this work sufficiently? https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/+git/amarok
[20:53] <yofel> looks about right
[20:53] <jimarvan> wxl: yes probably amarok
[20:53] <santa_> great and it doesn't build with gcc 6 the old drumstick
[20:54] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/drumstick.git/
[20:54] <clivejo> looks like maxy is working on it
[20:54] <jimarvan> wxl: welcome to the yellows :D
[20:55] <wxl> yay!
[20:55] <acheronuk> welcome :D
[20:56] <wxl> jimarvan: how did you pick amarok? doesn't seem like it needs building (looking in jenkins)
[20:57] <santa_> clivejo: and it has another name, maybe you should try to build it and upload to the ppa?
[20:57] <jimarvan> might not, I will just try something even if it builds properly
[20:57] <clivejo> it is in the PPA
[20:57] <jimarvan> and take it from there
[20:57] <clivejo> I dont understand what you are asking
[20:58] <jimarvan> my next target is freeciv :)
[20:58] <santa_> really
[20:58] <santa_> let me check,,,
[20:58] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+packages?field.name_filter=drumstick&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:00] <santa_> clivejo: yeah found it, my bad
[21:00] <santa_> I was looking for libdrumstick
[21:00] <clivejo> its only a test build until the proper version gets synced from debian
[21:00] <santa_> yeah, nevermind
[21:01] <clivejo> and to let us build minuet
[21:01] <santa_> I must add that to my ppa simulation
[21:02] <ahoneybun> amarok is rather large
[21:02] <ahoneybun> and does not need work really 
[21:14] <clivejo> yofel: can I upload amarok to staging-apps?
[21:15] <yofel> that's not an app... put it into misc
[21:28] <clivejo> its not Qt5 based yet?
[21:29] <valorie> no
[21:29] <valorie> the beta was the last of the non-qt5 releases, or the final would be
[21:29] <valorie> however afaik the qt5 port isn't finished
[21:31] <acheronuk> no activity on the KF5 branches for 6 months?
[21:32] <clivejo> ah, the reason I wanted to put it in apps was to give it a touch of acheronuk's magic
[21:32] <acheronuk> I have magic?
[21:32] <clivejo> your Qt5.6.1 packages do!
[21:32]  * acheronuk waves wand
[21:33] <valorie> if we release the beta, maybe that will help the effort to get Amarok over the hump
[21:33] <acheronuk> oh
[21:33]  * valorie hopes for magic
[21:33] <valorie> and finishes setting up all the new .1 torrent seeds
[21:40] <acheronuk> ooh. KCI has gained another node
[21:40] <yofel> that one is for debugging purposes
[21:40] <acheronuk> something you host then?
[21:41] <yofel> yes, dead cheap though
[21:42] <acheronuk> if that helps iron out those failures then great :)
[21:43] <yofel> well, I want to see if linode is part of the issue
[21:47] <yofel> wtf, the new mergers have "Trigger when build is: stable or unstable but not failed" for their children o.O
[21:47] <yofel> no wonder that doesn't work
[21:49] <yofel> no wait, all have that o.O
[21:49] <jimarvan> Cannot believe I still have to work until now... :(
[21:49] <jimarvan> stupid finance estimates...
[21:50] <jimarvan> yofel: question, if qt4 is completely removed, is amarok gone?
[21:50] <Sick_Rimmit> Wow it is getting very late for work
[21:50] <jimarvan> ye i know Rick :( but i have to...
[21:51] <yofel> if nobody ports it to qt5, yes. Although that probably won't be for another year or so
[21:51] <jimarvan> ok
[21:51] <jimarvan> sad sad, I loved amarok :(
[21:51] <jimarvan> such a good media player but now it seems VLC has conquered that field
[21:51] <valorie> I believe the porting work is partly done
[21:52] <valorie> vlc is good but no amarok
[21:52] <jimarvan> agree 100%!
[21:52] <valorie> if we release the beta, perhaps that can get the effort moving again
[21:52] <jimarvan> hope so :/
[21:52] <valorie> perhaps a student can take up the porting as a SoK
[21:53] <valorie> if we can find a mentor
[21:53] <yofel> hm, ok, no, I read the jenkins config wrong...
[21:59] <acheronuk> plasma-pa latest changelog entry in unstable is the 5.7.2 yakkety entry. so I assume it's ok to make a new UNRELEASED entry?
[22:01] <yofel> acheronuk: yes
[22:02] <jimarvan> going to sleep, need the rest! see ya tomorrow guys. YOU ARE ALL AWESOME
[22:02] <jimarvan> :)
[22:02] <yofel> nini
[22:02] <valorie> sleep well, jimarvan
[22:04] <acheronuk> yofel: so I increase the version as well? 4:5.7.2-0ubuntu1 to ???
[22:05] <yofel> acheronuk: ubuntu2
[22:06] <yofel> acheronuk: just run dch
[22:06] <yofel> should do everything for you
[22:06] <acheronuk> I did. It did.
[22:06] <acheronuk> Was just sanity checking in case my logics was off
[22:07] <acheronuk> thanks :)
[22:12] <acheronuk> Grrrrrrrrrr @ launchpad!
[22:25]  * mamarley kicks LP?
[22:25]  * clivejo kicks LP too
[22:26]  * yofel tries to add some error handling
[22:30] <yofel> ok, once the next docker deployment runs, it'll either be better or much worse :P
[22:31] <clivejo> place your bets now!
[22:32]  * valorie throws up the coin
[22:32] <valorie> call it.....
[22:32] <valorie> we have very few failing though!
[22:33] <valorie> already it is looking pretty awesome
[22:45] <yofel> well, lets say I'm fixing the runtime part first, so we can use it
[22:45] <yofel> the management is a mess
[22:46] <yofel> although it finally feels like I'm actually making progress
[22:48] <valorie> \o/
[23:01] <ahoneybun> \o/
[23:11] <valorie> weeee
[23:34] <valorie> !deb
[23:36] <yofel> ok, seems like I at least did not make things much worse
[23:45] <clivejo> no ECM
[23:46] <clivejo> what is cervisia?
[23:46] <wxl> cervesa?
[23:46] <yofel> !info cervisia
[23:46] <clivejo> cervisia
[23:46] <yofel> oh wow, that's still a thing
[23:47] <clivejo> seems so
[23:47] <clivejo> how come its missing ECM
[23:48] <yofel> version too old maybe
[23:48] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/cervisia/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[23:48] <clivejo> missing it 
[23:48] <yofel> no, nobody ported that to kf5 packaging
[23:49] <wxl> http://www.thebeerstore.ca/sites/default/files/styles/brand_hero/public/sbs/brand/14653---JKM---TBS-Brand-Images---Details-CERVEZA.jpg?itok=HDElPqVE
[23:49] <yofel> hehe
[23:50] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/cervisia.git/tree/debian/control
[23:50] <clivejo> not ported in debian
[23:50] <clivejo> maybe its newly ported?
[23:51] <yofel> probably
[23:51] <yofel> well, no weird failures so far...
[23:56] <yofel> Mirv: so the packages seem to work from a quick test, and Rik said they work for him too, so feel free to copy stuff tomorrow