[00:01]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: that's four
[00:01] <tsimonq2> :O
[00:31] <tsimonq2> debian bug 614907
[09:16] <gilir> hi
[09:17] <gilir> tsimonq2, try a debdiff, you can use the ubuntu pastebin if you want
[09:17] <tsimonq2> alright
[09:17] <tsimonq2> gilir: does that mean you would like me to make a debian/changelog entry or leave it?
[09:17] <gilir> tsimonq2, leave it for now
[09:18] <tsimonq2> gilir: alright :)
[09:20] <tsimonq2> gilir: grr, can't do debdiff
[09:22] <gilir> tsimonq2, why ?
[09:22] <tsimonq2> gilir: has to be two different files and when I build lubuntu-meta, one overrides the other
[09:23] <tsimonq2> gilir: I'm really surprised this isn't maintained under a VCS :)
[09:23] <gilir> tsimonq2, it's actually
[09:23] <tsimonq2> gilir: oh? where?
[09:23] <gilir> tsimonq2, you are not looking at the right location
[09:24] <gilir> tsimonq2, https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.yakkety
[09:25] <gilir> tsimonq2, the last change is what you want to do
[09:25] <tsimonq2> gilir: oh okay
[09:25] <tsimonq2> gilir: thanks
[09:25] <gilir> tsimonq2, after that, you need to wait 10 ~ 15 min
[09:26] <gilir> tsimonq2, after, try to do ./update inside the lubuntu-meta package
[09:26] <tsimonq2> alright
[09:27] <tsimonq2> gilir: then what?
[09:27] <gilir> lubuntu-meta itselft is not under VCS, because it's populated by the seed
[09:27] <gilir> tsimonq2, you will see after the ./update :-)
[09:31] <lynorian> I wonder is bug 1591851 relevent now as we are talking about the seed as maybe xfs is not included in the desktop images for lubuntu but it works for ubuntu-mate ?
[09:34] <tsimonq2> gilir: there aren't going to be any mroe respins for Alpha 2, you're probably safe making the Lubuntu Software Center removal now
[09:35] <gilir> lynorian, fixed sometimes ago, you can check the manifest for thsi type of bugs : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/yakkety-desktop-i386.manifest
[09:35] <gilir> tsimonq2, ok thanks
[11:41] <tsimonq2> gilir: cute-updates is *just* an updater, not a Software Center
[12:38] <gilir> tsimonq2, yes, I don't know if he worked on a software-center somewhere else
[12:39] <tsimonq2> gilir: alright :)
[12:39] <tsimonq2> gilir: I got your email
[14:57] <sudodus> tsimonq2: o/
[15:00] <tsimonq2> sudodus: hello :)
[15:00] <tsimonq2> sudodus: how are you?
[15:00] <sudodus> I'm fine, how are you :-)
[15:01] <tsimonq2> great :)
[15:01] <sudodus> tsimonq2: Are you ready to go ahead with mkusb and git?
[15:01] <tsimonq2> sudodus: sure :)
[15:02] <sudodus> I suggest that you start ...
[15:02] <tsimonq2> great
[15:03] <tsimonq2> where is your code now?
[15:03] <sudodus> I have it in my computer (talking about the code, that is changed since you edited the git branches)
[15:05] <sudodus> part of it is also uploaded to ppa:mkusb/unstable (the bash scripts and help files), but maybe not the control files
[15:05] <tsimonq2> alright, let's do this
[15:05] <sudodus> My current version is 11.0.1
[15:05] <tsimonq2> have you cloned https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb.git locally?
[15:06] <sudodus> I have done nothing with git, nothing at all.
[15:06] <tsimonq2> alright
[15:06] <tsimonq2> sudodus: is it installed?
[15:06] <sudodus> (only read your tutorial mail)
[15:07] <tsimonq2> sudodus: do the following in your terminal: git clone https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb.git && mkusb
[15:07] <sudodus> yes
[15:08] <sudodus> the program git is installed
[15:08] <tsimonq2> alright
[15:09] <tsimonq2> sudodus: can you do that above command?
[15:09] <sudodus> well. mkusb want to be run with the command 'sudo -H mkusb'
[15:10] <sudodus> where was it unpacked?
[15:10] <tsimonq2> sudodus: you talking about the git source?
[15:11] <sudodus> OK in my home directory, but I don't want it there. Let me change the location ...
[15:11] <tsimonq2> alright
[15:12] <sudodus> now an mkusb directory is located in my 'data' partition in a separate drive
[15:12] <tsimonq2> alright, cd into that
[15:13] <sudodus> done
[15:13] <tsimonq2> cool, so this is where you should store and work on your actual source code
[15:13] <sudodus> OK
[15:14] <tsimonq2> sudodus: apply all of your changes that you made in 11.0.1 and copy everything over to this directory *except* for the debian dir
[15:14] <sudodus> I'll try with rsync ...
[15:17] <sudodus> done
[15:18] <tsimonq2> alright, run git status
[15:18] <tsimonq2> it should show that there are changes, right?
[15:19] <sudodus> yes
[15:19] <tsimonq2> so now you can do "git add *" to track all the changes
[15:20] <tsimonq2> this is so Git knows to pay attention to them
[15:20] <sudodus> I should remove the files q.txt, show-q (because they are 'local' help files)
[15:20] <tsimonq2> alright
[15:21] <sudodus> now there are 2 changed files 3 removed files and 2 new files (comparing my mkusb directory and the git)
[15:22] <tsimonq2> sudodus: do those changes look correct?
[15:22] <sudodus> "git add *
[15:22] <tsimonq2> did you change two files, remove 3 files, and add 2 new files?
[15:23] <sudodus> git status says the same after git add *
[15:23] <tsimonq2> well it's fine
[15:23] <tsimonq2> but did you make those changes from the code you had in the stable PPA to now?
[15:24] <tsimonq2> (if you want to look at the diff, "git diff --cached")
[15:24] <sudodus> I corrected the command, and now it worked
[15:24] <sudodus> the changes are green and the removals are red, if that tells you something
[15:25] <tsimonq2> sudodus: well like I said, look at the git diff --cached and see if you made all of those changes
[15:25] <sudodus> what do you mean how? I edited with geany :-P
[15:26] <tsimonq2> sudodus: is the directory up-to-date with how you want it for 11.0.1 ?
[15:26] <tsimonq2> that's what I want to know
[15:28] <tsimonq2> sudodus: if they are, git commit -am "Released mkusb 11.0.1"
[15:28] <sudodus> The differences were entered into less and I could browse them.
[15:29] <tsimonq2> yep
[15:29] <tsimonq2> those are the changes that will be applied by committing if you choose
[15:30] <sudodus> let us try that - (there were so many changes, that I cannot easily see if everything is OK)
[15:30] <sudodus> According to rsync it should be OK locally, if that is what you mean
[15:31] <tsimonq2> yep
[15:31] <tsimonq2> that's what I meant
[15:33] <sudodus> Have you changed anything in these files (excluding those in the debian directory)?
[15:33] <tsimonq2> nope
[15:34] <tsimonq2> sudodus: all I did was remove the debian/ directory
[15:35] <sudodus> Are we ready to sync the git with this local directory now? Or was it done already by what we did?
[15:35] <tsimonq2> did you commit?
[15:36] <sudodus> no, I have not used any command containing 'commit'
[15:36] <tsimonq2> git commit -am "Released mkusb 11.0.1"
[15:37] <tsimonq2> sudodus: so basically, when you used rsync, you had to tell git to pay attention to them (git add *), then now, you have to put them in the repo
[15:37] <sudodus> done
[15:37] <sudodus> I used rsync locally - not to the git
[15:38] <tsimonq2> sudodus: could you create an account here and let me know what your username is?
[15:39] <sudodus> what do you mean by 'here'? I have an account at Launchpad, which is used to upload to ppa:mkusb. Is that what you mean?
[15:40] <tsimonq2> whops I'm sorry https://github.com/join
[15:40] <sudodus> OK, I'll do it ...
[15:41] <tsimonq2> *whoops
[15:44] <sudodus> 1 Completed. 2 Choose your plan (what is that)?
[15:44] <tsimonq2> sudodus: free
[15:44] <tsimonq2> or skip if possible
[15:44] <sudodus> trying to skip
[15:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: wait, just keep it at the default bullet point
[15:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: "Unlimited public repositories for free."
[15:46] <sudodus> I am at 'Read the guide' and 'Start a project' now, so I guess successful
[15:46] <tsimonq2> great! :)
[15:46] <tsimonq2> sudodus: what's your username?
[15:46] <sudodus> sudodus
[15:47] <tsimonq2> alright
[15:47] <sudodus> Should I try to log in now - in that case where?
[15:47] <tsimonq2> hold on now
[15:47] <tsimonq2> sudodus: accept the invite https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb/invitations
[15:48] <sudodus> email verified
[15:48] <tsimonq2> invite accepted?
[15:49] <sudodus> I have accepted the invitation
[15:49] <tsimonq2> great :)
[15:49] <tsimonq2> sudodus: go back to your terminal in that directory and type: git push origin master
[15:49] <sudodus> "You now have access to the tsimonq2/mkusb repository."
[15:50] <tsimonq2> \o/
[15:50] <tsimonq2> sudodus: do what I said above :)
[15:50] <tsimonq2> sudodus: then type in your GitHub username and password
[15:51] <sudodus> I seems to work.
[15:51] <tsimonq2> great :)
[15:51] <tsimonq2> there we go! look at https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb
[15:51] <sudodus> To https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb.git
[15:51] <sudodus> d06b214..e63a7db  master -> master
[15:51] <tsimonq2> sudodus: that's your commit https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb/commit/e63a7dbf82175a60784e92d656852240ea7c05a9
[15:52] <tsimonq2> sudodus: GitHub has a GUI that shows all of your changes in between commits
[15:52] <tsimonq2> it's pretty awesome :D
[15:53] <sudodus> I see my three hands avatar too. So I seem to be in :-)
[15:54] <tsimonq2> sudodus: so, do you understand that process? when you want to make a change, edit the source code in that directory, and when you have done something worth noting, git add *, git commit -am "DESCRIBE WHAT YOU JUST DID", git push origin master
[15:55] <teward> tsimonq2: did you do any testing of the 16.04.1 amd64 desktop iso at all?
[15:55] <sudodus> Well, at my age, the brain is not as fast as it used to be ;-) I think I can go back and look at the log (in the hexchat window) and learn the details
[15:56] <tsimonq2> teward: did *I* ?
[15:56] <tsimonq2> teward: why?
[15:56] <tsimonq2> sudodus: great, let's move on to the next step :)
[15:56] <teward> tsimonq2: "install ubuntu" from the start boot screen on the ISO fails, spins forever at "A start job is running..." with no limit
[15:56] <teward> have to "Try Lubuntu" first
[15:56] <teward> then install from the live env.
[15:56] <tsimonq2> hrm
[15:57] <tsimonq2> sudodus: did you see that when testing? ^
[15:58] <tsimonq2> teward: what image? and did you check the MD5?
[15:58] <teward> double checking now, but amd64 desktop ISO
[15:58] <teward> standby (E:SLOWSYSTEMS)
[15:58] <tsimonq2> teward: and a start job on what process?
[15:58] <sudodus> I do not always test 'Install', but sometime do it via 'Try ...', and that works. So I'm not sure, but I think it works.
[15:59] <teward> tsimonq2: you need to listen a little better.
[15:59] <tsimonq2> teward: how so?
[15:59] <teward> nevermind i fubar'd my thought process
[15:59] <teward> stupid IRC
[15:59] <teward> anyways
[15:59] <teward> it says a start job is running for "Starting Lubuntu Installer"
[15:59] <teward> never loads the GUI
[16:00] <tsimonq2> :O
[16:00] <teward> checking MD5 now standby
[16:01] <teward> sums check out
[16:01] <teward> running "Try Lubuntu" first seems to work, lets see if that's the case with this reboot
[16:01] <tsimonq2> teward: sudodus is reponsible here, he tested it and marked it as good to go :P
[16:01] <tsimonq2> teward: and I can't always double-check everything
[16:01] <teward> true
[16:02] <teward> tsimonq2: i haven't checked in on testing so no clue who does what tests :p
[16:02] <teward> and it works once booted, but not with the pure "Install Lubuntu" option from boot screen
[16:02] <teward> *shrugs*
[16:02] <tsimonq2> teward: just checked the tracker and it was sudodus who did amd64 desktop
[16:02] <tsimonq2> teward: file a bug in ubiquity please
[16:02] <teward> i want to test the original 16.04 iso first
[16:03] <teward> if it happens there too i'll blame the VM
[16:03] <teward> if not then i'll blame the image and file a bug
[16:03] <tsimonq2> fair enough :P
[16:03] <sudodus> I'm creating a USB boot drive with xenial-desktop-amd64.iso (the released version)
[16:03] <sudodus> of Lubuntu
[16:03] <tsimonq2> sudodus: anyways, let me show you how to properly release, not just edit and commit, if you are ready?
[16:04] <sudodus> Yes
[16:04] <tsimonq2> sudodus: git tag 11.0.1
[16:04] <tsimonq2> sudodus: that creates the appropriate tag
[16:05] <tsimonq2> sudodus: then: git push --tags origin master
[16:05] <tsimonq2> sudodus: as long as you have committed, that will set up a release
[16:06] <tsimonq2> let me know when that's done
[16:06] <sudodus> 'Install Lubuntu' works for me :-)
[16:07] <teward> sudodus: bare metal or VM?
[16:07] <sudodus> bare metal, my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 and the built in Intel graphics
[16:08] <sudodus> Total 0 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0)
[16:08] <sudodus> To https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb.git
[16:08] <tsimonq2> sudodus: perfect! :)
[16:09] <sudodus>  * [new tag]         11.0.1 -> 11.0.1
[16:09] <tsimonq2> sudodus: you can also now write release notes here: https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb/releases/new?tag=11.0.1
[16:09] <sudodus> So this was a 'dummy' job just repeating what was done, or was it doing something new?
[16:10] <tsimonq2> sudodus: I got there by selecting Releases -> 11.0.1 -> Edit tag
[16:10] <tsimonq2> sudodus: no this is for real
[16:10] <tsimonq2> sudodus: so write up the release, what did you do? :D
[16:10] <tsimonq2> sudodus: (basically describe what you told me in a recent email)
[16:10] <sudodus> I see. What kind of release notes. Something like here:
[16:11] <sudodus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/v11
[16:11] <tsimonq2> sudodus: perfect! in fact, I would just put a link to those
[16:13] <sudodus> I pressed the button :-P
[16:14] <tsimonq2> sudodus: so after you did that step (creating the tag, pushing the tag, and setting the release notes) let me know so I can update the Debian package
[16:14] <tsimonq2> sudodus: but now let me show you how to update the PPA package
[16:14] <sudodus> Can you inspect it and verify, that I got it right?
[16:14] <tsimonq2> ok, hold on
[16:15] <tsimonq2> sudodus: notice this here :) https://github.com/tsimonq2/mkusb/releases
[16:15] <tsimonq2> sudodus: it's big and it has a link to a zip and a tar :D
[16:15] <tsimonq2> sudodus: iirc you can also set like beta releases and such if you want them
[16:16] <tsimonq2> sudodus: but otherwise, looks good :)
[16:16] <sudodus> Ok
[16:16] <tsimonq2> ready to move on now?
[16:17] <teward> hrm, interesting, it worked fine now...
[16:17] <teward> took four boots to 'work fine'  :/
[16:17] <teward> *shrugs*
[16:17] <sudodus> I think there is more to do now - to make it really separated, so that the compiled code is separate and not included in the package for the version, that should be proposed for an official repository.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> sudodus: well if you just let me know what parts are nonfree, I'll remove those in the debian branch
[16:19] <tsimonq2> sudodus: but for right now, you should update your PPA :)
[16:20] <tsimonq2> sudodus: git remote add launchpad git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/mkusb    <-- that's a one-time command
[16:21] <tsimonq2> sudodus: then: git checkout -b ppa (remove the -b in the future)
[16:21] <tsimonq2> sudodus: after that: git pull launchpad ppa
[16:21] <tsimonq2> sudodus: then do the usual changes that update the Debian package, dch -i etc.
[16:22] <tsimonq2> let me know when that's done
[16:22] <sudodus> usb-pack-efi with usb-pack_sdir/usb-pack_efi.tar.gz, and it should be removed from the control file. There is also debian/usb-pack-efi.install
[16:23] <sudodus> as described in the attached file 'todo.txt' in a mail to you
[16:23] <tsimonq2> ahh yes I remember, sorry
[16:24] <sudodus> I can update the ppa now ...
[16:25] <sudodus> The authenticity of host 'git.launchpad.net (162.213.33.96)' can't be established.
[16:26] <sudodus> RSA key fingerprint is SHA256:UNOzlP66WpDuEo34Wgs8mewypV0UzqHLsIFoqwe8dYo.
[16:26] <sudodus> is this the usual sftp checkpoint?
[16:26] <tsimonq2> yes I think it's fine
[16:28] <sudodus> There is a problem. I am not logged in as sudodus. Is there a way to remote log in a 'sudodus@something' instead of just 'something'?
[16:29] <sudodus> and default to my current user id?
[16:29] <tsimonq2> git remote remove launchpad && git remote add launchpad git+ssh://sudodus@git.launchpad.net/mkusb
[16:31] <sudodus> That command was accepted without any feedback.
[16:31] <tsimonq2> it shouldn't have any feedback, it's fine
[16:31] <tsimonq2> sudodus: now try again
[16:31] <sudodus> try what
[16:31] <tsimonq2> (try the step you were on before again)
[16:32] <tsimonq2> sudodus: where were you at?
[16:32] <sudodus> do you mean 'git remote remove launchpad && git remote add launchpad git+ssh://sudodus@git.launchpad.net/mkusb'
[16:32] <sudodus> or some step further back?
[16:32] <tsimonq2> further
[16:33] <sudodus> please be more specific!
[16:33] <tsimonq2> where were you before 'git remote remove launchpad && git remote add launchpad git+ssh://sudodus@git.launchpad.net/mkusb' ?
[16:34] <sudodus> in the bash history I can see these commands (wait for a few lines)
[16:35] <sudodus> git push origin master
[16:35] <sudodus> git tag 11.0.1
[16:35] <sudodus> git push --tags origin master
[16:35] <sudodus> git remote add launchpad git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/mkusb # which should be replaced by
[16:36] <sudodus> git remote add launchpad git+ssh://sudodus@git.launchpad.net/mkusb
[16:37] <sudodus> git checkout -b ppa  # I seem to have run this one but before the correct command with sudodus explicit
[16:37] <sudodus> git pull launchpad ppa  # I seem to have run this one but before the correct command with sudodus explicit
[16:37] <sudodus> Should I repeat these two last commands?
[16:38] <tsimonq2> no, it's fine
[16:38] <tsimonq2> sudodus: try: git branch
[16:38] <tsimonq2> it shows that you are in the PPA branch, correct?
[16:38] <sudodus>   master
[16:39] <sudodus> * ppa
[16:39] <tsimonq2> giid
[16:39] <tsimonq2> *good
[16:39] <tsimonq2> sudodus: now do dch -i and whatever else to update the PPA to 11.0.1
[16:39] <tsimonq2> (in the debian/ directory)
[16:40] <tsimonq2> like splitting the two packages, etc.
[16:40] <sudodus> locally I guess
[16:40] <tsimonq2> yep
[16:40] <tsimonq2> sudodus: all of this is local unless you git pull/push
[16:42] <sudodus> You mean in my old location, where I have the debian directory, or should I create a new debian directory?
[16:43] <sudodus> I guess it is wise to create a new directory and not mess with the old one
[16:43] <tsimonq2> no no no
[16:43] <tsimonq2> keep the one you have
[16:44] <tsimonq2> sudodus: restore it from the other directory, restore your edits
[16:44] <sudodus> The one that belongs to the directory, where I can upload directly to the ppa?
[16:44] <tsimonq2> yep
[16:44] <tsimonq2> sudodus: this is sorta uploading to the PPA
[16:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: except the stable one instead of unstable
[16:45] <sudodus> OK, but I don't want to destroy what is working. I'll make a copy.
[16:47] <tsimonq2> sudodus: well all you have to do is copy the debian/ directory from the unstable PPA to this directory, it will be fine, just edit accordingly
[16:47] <tsimonq2> or maybe if you want to get the debian tar from the stable PPA and update that, that would be good too
[16:48] <tsimonq2> sudodus: just infd a way to update your PPA with this release
[16:48] <tsimonq2> *find
[16:49] <sudodus> I am ready for dch now (have not used the -i option before), is it OK with my previous commands?
[16:49] <tsimonq2> yeah totally
[16:52] <sudodus> dch done.
[16:53] <sudodus> What next? Do you mean I should edit the control file now, or just use the same files again, now only prepare for uploading with
[16:53] <sudodus> debuild -S
[16:54] <sudodus> cd ..
[16:54] <tsimonq2> sudodus: use the files you got from GitHub, prepare it as you would a normal release with the files you have
[16:54] <sudodus> dput  ppa:mkusb/unstable mkusb_1...
[16:55] <sudodus> What files from github?
[16:56] <tsimonq2> the files you already have merged
[16:56] <tsimonq2> it's fine
[16:57] <sudodus> You wanted me to have a separate debian directory. Should I point the debian files across the filesystem to the current files in my new mkusb directory?
[16:58] <sudodus> I could also create links (maybe even hard links) to avoid pointing acreoss the filesystem
[16:58] <sudodus> across
[16:59] <tsimonq2> I'm working in Debian now
[17:00] <tsimonq2> I'll handle Debian
[17:00] <tsimonq2> (until I have a stable workflow)
[17:00] <sudodus> In that case we can say that I'm ready with the 'source files'. Only the control file etc in the debian directory may need editing.
[17:00] <sudodus> I'm waiting for you ...
[17:01] <tsimonq2> so wait
[17:01] <tsimonq2> let's get on the same page here
[17:01] <tsimonq2> you have the PPA branch locally and merged with 11.0.1
[17:01] <tsimonq2> you just merged the code
[17:01] <tsimonq2> now you need to update the debian files
[17:01] <tsimonq2> you just have to update the debian files to release, like you would normally do
[17:02] <tsimonq2> imagine you just edited the code
[17:03] <sudodus> Then I will normally only edit only one file in the debian directory, the changelog file (via dch). The other files in debian remain the same for long periods.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> alright
[17:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: are we clear to release?
[17:05] <wxl> tsimonq2: ummmm i already say your release annnouncement
[17:05] <wxl> s/say/saw/
[17:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: that was global dude
[17:05] <tsimonq2> :D
[17:05] <wxl> yeah but if we're good globally, we're good
[17:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: gtreat, you jsut said to check with you :)
[17:06] <tsimonq2> *great
[17:06] <tsimonq2> *just
[17:06] <wxl> typically before global announcement, but all good
[17:06] <tsimonq2> sudodus: give me a minute, I have to release
[17:06] <sudodus> tsimonq2: release what software?
[17:06] <tsimonq2> sudodus: Yakkety Yak Alpha 2
[17:06] <wxl> sudodus: 16.04.2
[17:06] <wxl> argh
[17:06]  * tsimonq2 kicks wxl 
[17:06] <wxl> s/04/10/
[17:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:09] <sudodus> tsimonq2: I thought yakkety alpha2 is already released ...
[17:09] <wxl> sudodus: globally, but he waited on the lubuntu announcement
[17:09] <sudodus> I see
[17:11] <tsimonq2> sudodus: when you are done with the changelog, don't do anything with Git, just get me the debian/changelog file in a pastebin. I made a big mistake when giving you instructions that I'm gonna fix myself.
[17:11] <tsimonq2> sudodus: and please, feel free to publish to the PPA :D
[17:21] <sudodus> I sent changelog.gz via email
[17:24] <sudodus> Do you mean to continue publishing in the future like I did before, but now via git? Or do you mean now? In that case with what command? I usually upload to the unstable ppa, and after some testing copy it to the stable one 'ppa:mkusb/ppa'
[17:24] <tsimonq2> sudodus: I'll tell you later, I'm really sorry, I have to go
[17:25] <sudodus> OK, please suggest a new time via mail.
[17:30] <tsimonq2> sudodus: alright will do, o/
[17:31] <sudodus> o/
[21:09] <wxl> tsimonq2: let's talk about getting https on the website