[04:32] <mappps> good morning
[07:30] <diddledan> mooorning
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:17] <davmor2> Mornign all
[08:17] <davmor2> Morning all even
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:23] <daftykins> morning all \o
[08:24] <daftykins> oooh yes my glorious new keyboard is here :D sweet mechanical keys again instead of horrid membrane
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning daftykins
[08:24] <brobostigon> :)
[08:24] <diddledan> daftykins: I think one of my new rams is bust
[08:25] <daftykins> o rry? does it stop POST or is it causing instability?
[08:25] <diddledan> it would bluescreen randomly
[08:25] <daftykins> ah and the reasons keep changing?
[08:25] <diddledan> yup
[08:25] <daftykins> is it stuff that requires you set an XMP setting in the BIOS, or just bog standard?
[08:26] <diddledan> I ran windows' inbuilt memory test and it said problems. removed two sticks and now it passes the same test
[08:26] <daftykins> pin it down with memtest86+ :)
[08:27] <diddledan> yeah, I might do that later - set it going overnight
[08:28] <daftykins> nah just do it on the suspected bad DIMM, it'll only take like 15 minutes for a 4GB module if that
[08:28] <daftykins> i got 2400MHz stuff myself, so i set it to its' XMP setting in the BIOS
[08:30] <daftykins> also ugh at my old motherboard causing one of the core 2 quad PCs to stop POSTing again, so i think it's time to call that motherboard dead
[08:30] <daftykins> or at least unreliable!
[08:31] <diddledan> war of attrition - change everything until you can prove a negative
[08:31] <daftykins> :)
[08:32] <daftykins> got to decide whether i just take the motherboard from the lowest specced system, as it's quite a nice one, or get another off ebay
[08:32] <diddledan> "it hasn't died for the last 3 reboots. does that mean it's fixed or just not completely dead?"
[08:33] <daftykins> hehe, it's funny because it does it when it's unplugged from the mains, but it's not the CMOS battery
[08:33] <diddledan> I hate the analogue nature of digital-equipment failures
[08:33] <daftykins> yeah i'd much rather a true death, although then i'd be sat for ages faffing trying to get it to POST i suppose
[08:33] <diddledan> I like binary - alive or dead
[08:34] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/r3cM5P8tUhc?t=26
[08:39] <daftykins> :>
[08:40] <daftykins> bit sad that videos info didn't tell me what on earth it was
[08:44] <diddledan> portable computer from 1980 with a CRT display! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5SzKM7g5Ds
[08:48] <daftykins> kHz!
[08:48] <daftykins> gm JamesTait o/
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Milk Chocolate Day! 😃  🍫
[08:49] <diddledan> that's a day I can get behind!
[08:49] <JamesTait> 👋 daftykins
[08:49]  * JamesTait reaches for the Milk Tray.
[08:49] <diddledan> I'm going to pre-empt davmor2 to make his job more difficult because he can't duplicate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCQnARnKbc
[08:50] <JamesTait> I couldn't eat any now, I'm too full of fruit and oats.
[08:50] <daftykins> i wanted you to have said 'fruit and nut'
[08:50] <daftykins> :D
[08:50] <daftykins> diddledan: haha i love the line 'playing along at home' i use that myself :>
[08:50] <JamesTait> Oh, I forgot the nuts!
[08:51] <daftykins> Cadburys Dairy Milk fruit and nut ;D
[08:51] <JamesTait> Yum
[08:51] <diddledan> +1
[08:59] <davmor2> diddledan, JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjIn6SJK5Y
[09:00]  * daftykins hears the brass band starting again
[09:01] <JamesTait> davmor2, I don't know where my boys heard this, but they went through a phase of singing it constantly a few years ago.
[09:02] <diddledan> oh god that's an earworm
[09:09] <davmor2> diddledan: hey you only have yourself to blame you stole shanks and bigfoot
[09:09] <diddledan> lol
[09:10] <diddledan> touché
[09:15] <daftykins> diddledan: https://youtu.be/yac6YByAcRc?t=520 D:
[09:15] <daftykins> ITS EVERYWHERE!
[09:19] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ping mind a dm ?
[09:20] <daftykins> PM :P
[09:20]  * daftykins teases czajkowski's twitter talk
[09:20]  * czajkowski slaps daftykins
[09:21] <czajkowski> things you cant do on twitter but you can on IRC! :)
[09:22]  * daftykins gains a red face :o
[09:24] <popey>  
[09:24] <daftykins>  
[09:24] <diddledan>  
[09:25] <czajkowski> speechless who'd have thought it would happen
[09:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ubuntu
[09:25] <diddledan> correct
[09:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was a test thing just done 0TA 12
[09:51] <Myrtti> czajkowski: sure
[10:03] <czajkowski> Myrtti: tis sorted now
[10:03] <czajkowski> sorry
[10:04] <daftykins> mmmm lovely new keys
[10:04] <daftykins> £80 admittedly, but i thoroughly recommend the steelseries M500 keyboard
[12:41] <daftykins> given i was linking to tall bikes yesterday, i just ran into one!
[12:41] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/pIr9T
[12:41] <daftykins> this guy was employing child labour to push him around
[14:17] <diddledan> daftykins: I think we need to report him then
[14:18] <ghostnetpc> report who
[14:19] <diddledan> huh?
[14:21] <diddledan> was he worried I meant him?
[14:28] <daftykins> lol
[14:28] <daftykins> probably, tinfoil freenoders everywhere!
[14:29] <daftykins> can't believe i raised an RMA ticket on some 7 year old RAM :D go Corsair \o/
[14:29] <diddledan> wow
[14:29] <diddledan> that’s impressive
[14:33] <daftykins> they might still tell me it's not under the lifetime one but we'll see :>
[14:39] <Seeker`> daftykins: I suspect their response will be "LOL"
[14:40] <daftykins> Seeker`: when their products carry a "Lifetime Warranty" ? bold claim sir :P
[14:44] <davmor2> daftykins: man that's cheating it has 3 wheels
[14:44] <daftykins> wat
[14:45] <diddledan> the bike
[14:45] <davmor2> diddledan: 3 wheels remember the trike ;)
[14:45] <diddledan> good point
[14:47] <daftykins> oh i see, a topic hop threw me!
[14:48] <davmor2> daftykins: sorry playing catchup :)
[14:48] <daftykins> ^_^ np
[14:48] <daftykins> the clowns were pretty ace
[15:06] <daftykins> nice, Corsair just replied asking if i only had one kit faulty
[15:06] <daftykins> now that is support.
[15:12] <DJones> daftykins: They were all faulty weren't they, time for a replacement
[15:12] <daftykins> :D
[15:13] <daftykins> guy that used to work for this client took that office PC home for himself so i don't know what it's up to now
[15:47] <diddledan> I miss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0
[15:47]  * daftykins doesn't
[15:57] <DJones> I'm with daftykins on that
[15:58] <diddledan> only the sound, not the speeds
[16:08] <Seeker`> I hope that's the old ladies video
[16:08] <daftykins> i was about to say no, i much prefer the instant sync of VDSL... but the routers i've used take a fair while to sync
[16:08] <Seeker`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTos3CsvnLQ
[16:12] <daftykins> that's scary
[16:59] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/yhYEWvWkWLg
[17:08] <daftykins> wow.
[17:35] <daftykins> LOL my 7 year old RAM RMA has been accepted - Corsair are ace
[18:45] <diddledan> watching london has fallen. they blow the poo out everything
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> 2016 has taken garibaldi... http://www.epictimes.com/07/28/2016/j-michael-straczynskis-statement-death-jerry-doyle/ :-(
[19:02] <diddledan> NOOOOOOooooooo
[19:57] <diddledan> it sounds like it's widdling-down outside
[19:58] <daftykins> it's gone very gloomy here! i've had to actually close up the windows again from super summer mode++
[21:21] <daftykins> diddledan: https://youtu.be/7S5IuaKiZIY?t=225
[21:23] <diddledan> wow
[21:23] <daftykins> MODEM SOLO!
[21:23] <daftykins> i had that Lasat modem in blue, too
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> i only dealt with usr modems thank gorky
[21:27] <daftykins> ah the Lasat was ace, when we got it though it had a 9 pin serial cable and the mouse was 9 pin too :( only one port on the PC
[21:27] <daftykins> took weeks to beg the old man to go back and buy a 25 to 9 adapter
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i had to scan in a huge dublin map on a pc with 1 serial port, using serial mouse, serial scanner. eventually found a ps/2 mouse that decided it would work...
[21:29] <daftykins> :D
[21:29] <daftykins> i loved the article about Australia being off its' GPS data right now because of the plate shift
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> of course it meant nicking the newest shiniest mouse from my boss to do the job...
[21:29] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: what a coincidence!
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> 7mb of b&w pcx images of dublin city to add a map facility to crm software...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> written in basic for extra difficulty bonus points... :-)
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> it worked suprisingly fast on 286's with 640k of ram...
[21:34] <daftykins> 7 whole megabytes!
[21:34] <daftykins> i always think it'd be ace to grab some of today's tech and travel back in time to an 80s CES equivalent and show it all
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> hard disks were 40mb so it was a _lot_
[21:35] <daftykins> oh i recall the 486 apricots we got at home with the 40MB removable cassette drives
[21:35] <daftykins> beastly
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> phones would be meh compared to pdas of 90s.  90% of their functionality wouldn't work without cloud
[21:36] <daftykins> that's a little bit like saying your life raft doesn't work without the sea, though
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to drag a laptop back.  and while it would be smaller and shinier with way more spec it would be... just a laptop
[21:38] <daftykins> well it would also be thin enough to cut cheese!
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> and without wifi and a lot of network infrastructure it wouldn't talk to contemporary hardware
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> copy that file to a floppy... :-)
[21:44] <ali1234> i would take a selfie stick back in time
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> or send the file via serial cable...
[21:44] <ali1234> people would be so confused by it
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a pic of a selfie stick in 1920s iirc
[21:45] <ali1234> i'd take one of the ones with a fake hand on it
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> they were rigging cameras for self pics back then too
[21:45] <ali1234> http://home.bt.com/images/youll-never-be-alone-with-the-selfie-arm-136397833140103901-150429131736.jpg
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> if you want to crush their spirit take a modern printer so they can see how bad they still are...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> what you could do is bring a printout of the linux kernel back...
[21:48] <ali1234> tbh there isn't much around today that wasn't predicted in popular culture in the 80s
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[21:48] <ali1234> or at least sci-fi
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> when i see tradeshows announcements there's next to nothing exciting
[21:49] <ali1234> it's plenty exciting
[21:49] <ali1234> it would be to an 80s guy anyway
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> the last thing that made me go wow was psion pdas.  they were insanely good compared even to desktop computers of the time
[21:50] <ali1234> raspberry pi is pretty impressive
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> now the pi _is_ fantastic... but it's revolution isn't technical but more almost social.  so many of them they created an instant community of hardware geeks
[21:51] <ali1234> yeah but even so... the price and capability are amazing
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> pure moores law
[21:51] <ali1234> it destroys anything over about 10 years old
[21:51] <ali1234> let alone 80s
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> but someone decided instead of making a better faster machine for normal prices make a cheap as chips full system
[21:52] <ali1234> we have those too they are called i7
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> when i started a pc was around ir£3000. and it dropped and dropped till now you can get a cheap laptop for €200
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> but some of them 3k computers are still ticking along whereas sub €300 laptops will be dead in 10 years
[21:53] <ali1234> i think the most impressive thing you could take back would be a 16GB micro sd card. "yes, this 1cm square stores an order of magnitude more than every computer here, and it costs the same as a cup of coffee"
[21:54] <ali1234> *every computer put together
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> i remember my visor neo, getting an sd sled and adding a 16mb card to it.  all the books i could carry compressed onto it!! :-)
[21:56] <daftykins> i was more getting at taking things back to demo the performance, not the concepts
[21:57] <ali1234> yeah it wouldn't be a very interesting demo, but the numbers...
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> and that's the hard part.  you'd need to drag back a lot of hardware.  otherwise it's just another box with blinky lights and a promise that's doing cool stugg
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> *stuff
[21:57] <daftykins> i don't think so
[21:58] <ali1234> if you want to wow people, a gear vr would do it
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> for a % of the population it doesn't work and/or makes them throw up
[21:58] <ali1234> same with rollercoasters man
[21:59] <ali1234> i don't get this idea that you can't make vr games that make people sick
[22:00] <ali1234> if you don't get sick playing a fighter jet simulation it isn't immersive enough in my opinion
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> now a good mp3 player might be the most bang per buck in terms of functionality.  here's a box the size of a pack of ciggies and it contains months of music
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> plus tv shows and movies...
[22:00] <ali1234> mp3 players are out of date now. people just stream
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> many people just stream... many don't
[22:01] <ali1234> old people :)
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> people in rural areas without broadband
[22:01] <ali1234> and hipsters
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> people in dead zones where no amount of infrastrucure seems to work
[22:01] <ali1234> i'm waiting for CDs to become fashionable again so i can sell all mine to hipsters
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> tight people who refuse to pay for data
[22:02] <ali1234> but they only want records and VHS tapes
[22:02] <ali1234> and cassettes
[22:02] <ali1234> give it another 10 years though...
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> especially now japan has stopped making them...
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> some very smart person went around and bought all the vinyl making gear a few years back...
[22:03] <ali1234> i can't believe that... there's too much of it
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> there was, but a lot was junked as it was /useless/
[22:04] <ali1234> loads of studios still have the ability to cut dub plates
[22:04] <ali1234> it's not like one guy has a monopoly ;)
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> small runs seem ok but for large runs you need more industrial equipment aiui
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> we might just have to wait for 3d printers to have a high res... :-)
[22:06] <ali1234> now that is definitely a way off
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> i'd have agreed 2-3 years ago.  but a lot of smart people are pushing the envelope for lots of different reasons
[22:07] <ali1234> the very best 3d printers are still two orders of magnitude away from being good enough to do that
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> those using them for medical applications are motivated to go super high res.
[22:09] <ali1234> haha someone tried it: http://www.amandaghassaei.com/projects/3D_printed_record/
[22:09] <ali1234> that's actually surprisingly good
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be the ip by pigeons for 3d printers.  as the tech improves someone will keep trying :-)
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> clarkes first law :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
[22:11] <ali1234> done on a stratasys printer
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> a very non standard piece of kit i'm guessing
[22:12] <ali1234> extremely expensive high end gear, nothing at all like a typical rep rap thing
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> which is why i think the medical 3d printing folk will be the first to approach the res required
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> of course it could also be the i want to modify my phone to make a 3d printed phone case that clips an extra battery to the back of my smartphone that can't make it through one single day... :-)
[22:18] <ali1234> of course if i was going back in time i would be really tempted to troll people too
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> of course... :-) and in the future everyone uses macs... :-P
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> donald trump running for president would probably get you laughed out of the room...
[22:21] <ali1234> maybe not. he was much less of a joke in the 80s
[22:21] <ali1234> just another rich business man
[22:21] <ali1234> and they had an actor for president then
[22:22] <ali1234> you'd probably get more of a reaction telling them a black man was president
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> true
[22:23] <ali1234> even in back to the future he only got to be mayor
[22:28] <ali1234> but no i'd do stupid stuff like tell them youtube poops are the most popular form of entertainment in 2016
[22:28] <ali1234> then show them "over 9000"
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> you could show them a typical youtube page of comments...