| Bashing-om | calling it .. later guys. | 02:03 |
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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | morning OerHeks | 05:21 |
| OerHeks | hi lotuspsychje :-D | 05:22 |
| lotuspsychje | only LTS in topic :p | 05:28 |
| dax | indeedy | 05:29 |
| dax | the people who want #ubuntu split into #ubuntu-lts and #ubuntu-not-lts-or-something-idk have their wish temporarily :3 | 05:30 |
| \9 | ah 15.10's support's been dropped now | 05:53 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | new 16.10 lubuntu wallpaper rox | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | best ever | 06:11 |
| ducasse | \o | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl :p | 06:14 |
| ducasse | for ubuntu-maintained software like unity, are feature requests made on the bugtracker? | 09:04 |
| popey | generally, yes, but if someone has a design /prototype then usually a mailing list post or blog post is more appropriate | 09:08 |
| popey | but bugs are fine | 09:08 |
| ducasse | ok, thanks - i'll remember that next time someone asks. | 09:09 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning | 09:46 |
| ducasse | \o | 09:50 |
| ducasse | i clearly won't be getting any more asus boards if this is the state of their firmware now... | 14:37 |
| daftykins | ducasse: firmware is bad on every brand for Linux i think! | 15:23 |
| daftykins | it's a sign of how life is harder for your choices unfortunately, across the board - not the brand | 15:23 |
| ducasse | yup, seems a general trend. i worry about hardware might become more locked down in the future, with things like secure boot that can't be disabled etc. | 15:24 |
| daftykins | there's been as much sensational reporting about that as there has been about Windows these days, i have yet to come up against a system that couldn't be Linuxified! :) | 15:25 |
| ducasse | a lot of distros support sb anyway, but not all, and systems where it can not be disabled has started to appear, unfortunately. | 15:27 |
| ducasse | i just instinctively distrust hardware with drm and similar crap :) | 15:28 |
| daftykins | i did hear concerns they would go that way, but we never had one in all my time in #ubuntu at least | 15:31 |
| daftykins | there were a couple where extra options became available once you set a password inside apparently | 15:31 |
| ducasse | i've seen those, but there has been at least one in #ubuntu recently that i recall where it definitely could not be turned off, and one yesterday where reviews had said that option was missing. | 15:33 |
| daftykins | ah ok | 15:33 |
| daftykins | 99% of the time i think it's the challenge of dealing with the users :( | 15:33 |
| ducasse | didn't dig into the last one any more as i was busy. | 15:33 |
| ducasse | it can be hard just getting them into the bios :) | 15:34 |
| daftykins | yip | 15:34 |
| daftykins | can't save 'em all | 15:34 |
| daftykins | oh come to think of it, those really cheap Lenovos with the eMMC 'SSD' that come with like, "windows 8.1 with bing" are often a no go | 15:35 |
| daftykins | but that's the case of someone trying to be too budget and getting burnt for it | 15:35 |
| ducasse | if they are "certified for wondows 8/8.1", there _must_ be an option to disable sb. not so for w10. | 15:36 |
| ducasse | *windows, obviously. | 15:36 |
| ducasse | but those cheap notebooks are so often utter crap. | 15:37 |
| ducasse | ('must' as in, according to the certification rules. not saying nobody has ever broken them.) | 15:39 |
| ducasse | backups <3 | 15:54 |
| ducasse | also, zfs snapshots <3 | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins, I have an inexpensive lenovo G500 laptop that had W8.1 which i promptly removed and replaced with kubuntu then added W7 and it runs very well on both OSs. no eMMC SSD tho just a !TB HDD and 8G Ram | 15:55 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: yeah that's not "8.1 with Bing", which is a totally different animal - sometimes it uses a 32-bit EFI to make modification a hassle | 15:56 |
| BluesKaj | altho windows update hasn't updated a thing since june 13 ...it tries but nothing comes down | 15:56 |
| JanC | ducasse: secure boot seems to work fine with my ASUS motherboard? | 15:56 |
| daftykins | unfortunately they've gimped WU on pre-10 now so i've seen it take 12 hours to check for updates :( | 15:57 |
| daftykins | JanC: no two boards are the same ;) anecdotal evidence is no proof | 15:57 |
| ducasse | JanC: sure, but there are disadvantages to using it, and some people just plain don't want it. | 15:57 |
| JanC | disadvantages? | 15:58 |
| ducasse | JanC: like with 16.04 kernel modules need to be signed when sb is enabled, so you must either disable it or sign yourself if using dkms. | 15:58 |
| JanC | well, obviously | 15:59 |
| ducasse | JanC: that is a major hassle for a lot of users, so most simply disable it. | 16:00 |
| JanC | although, that's more a "limitation" of the kernel really | 16:00 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins, wth is Bing? , don't recall that | 16:00 |
| ducasse | JanC: it's a kernel option, but also how sb was designed to work aiui. | 16:01 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: Bing is microsoft's search engine, 8.1 with Bing is a cheap license for computer OEMs to put on low cost machines that defaults to Bing as the search engine all across it | 16:01 |
| daftykins | kinda like a way to provide windows 8 cheap on netbook-esque systems in the modern day in place of the old strategy of XP on netbooks | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | oh that, now I remember, I tend to dismiss stuff the I don't care about, even in the memory :-) | 16:03 |
| daftykins | :> | 16:04 |
| daftykins | know your enemy, i say :> | 16:04 |
| daftykins | too many #ubuntu 'customers' picking up cheap machines and wondering why they can't get Linux on | 16:04 |
| JanC | UEFI SB only applies as far as when it loads/boots "something", after that the next step in the chain is doing it's own checking | 16:05 |
| \9 | what is the usual reason for that? | 16:05 |
| daftykins | reason for what? | 16:06 |
| \9 | for their linux not working | 16:06 |
| daftykins | some of these machines used 32-bit EFIs which complicates matters | 16:06 |
| \9 | oh | 16:06 |
| daftykins | others implemented methods hardcoded to only boot a given image name in the EFI partition, also... | 16:06 |
| daftykins | there are several strategies employed really | 16:07 |
| daftykins | EriC^^ is our resident boot expert :> | 16:07 |
| * \9 is supposed to get a new computer today… in pieces | 16:07 | |
| BluesKaj | \9, barebones kit or enhanced with goodies ? | 16:10 |
| \9 | getting a pretty high-end one | 16:11 |
| ducasse | new computers in pieces are the best kind :) | 16:11 |
| \9 | except i did not get a graphics card because i don't know what kind of graphics card i need, or i even need one | 16:11 |
| \9 | so I'm reserving the right to decide later :P | 16:11 |
| daftykins | sounds wise to me, what with the ubiquity of on-die graphics now | 16:14 |
| BluesKaj | gpus are a matter for what the machine is used...just an inexpensive nvidia 8400GS here for video and movies no games | 16:15 |
| daftykins | i booted 16.04.1 on an 8400GS on one of these old core 2 duos and found it particularly grating on nouveau | 16:16 |
| \9 | indeed, so I'm going to roll with integrated for now until I hit a wall | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins, yeah nouveau doesn't do too weel on the 8400 | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | well | 16:16 |
| daftykins | *nod* i find myself wondering what hardware it does work with! | 16:17 |
| daftykins | my understanding was that AMD have only just begun their new open source driver development, so no ideas how that's running for now - if i used Linux i'd probably still buy nvidia | 16:17 |
| BluesKaj | nvidia-340 is the recommended driver and it's fine | 16:17 |
| daftykins | i think i was fiddling and had a disparate configuration between HWE stacks, kernels and X.org packages at the time so installing proprietary gave me failed logins... which is amusingly what happened to all those folks i used to help XD | 16:23 |
| daftykins | it wasn't an important install though, just a brief test | 16:23 |
| \9 | yay, my pieces just arrived! | 16:26 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 16:27 |
| * daftykins gets the glue | 16:27 | |
| EriC^^ | hello guys | 16:35 |
| EriC^^ | what's cracking? | 16:35 |
| daftykins | hey! | 16:36 |
| daftykins | mmm not much going on with me, posted some 7 year old RAM under warranty today :D | 16:36 |
| daftykins | fixed a friends wifes phone just by touching it XD the usual! | 16:36 |
| EriC^^ | nice | 16:36 |
| EriC^^ | haha | 16:37 |
| daftykins | how are you? | 16:37 |
| EriC^^ | i'm good | 16:37 |
| EriC^^ | some mechanic kind of screwed me over | 16:37 |
| daftykins | D: | 16:38 |
| daftykins | tell us his/her name and we'll send Tux over | 16:38 |
| EriC^^ | $1000 for parts, $600 for labor, should have been like $300 for labor + he lied and put the wrong part | 16:38 |
| daftykins | wowzer | 16:39 |
| daftykins | anything you can do? | 16:39 |
| EriC^^ | i could have him get another part but he's a liar | 16:39 |
| EriC^^ | if i tell him it's not it he could make up a million shit | 16:40 |
| daftykins | have you paid already? | 16:40 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 16:40 |
| daftykins | doh :( | 16:40 |
| EriC^^ | it's the steering rack | 16:40 |
| EriC^^ | he put a normal bmw steering rack and the m2 one is shorter, so like when i turn a corner usually it needs like 15' or so now it needs maybe 30' | 16:41 |
| daftykins | mmm that could be a bit dangerous in the long run surely | 16:42 |
| EriC^^ | it's a classic m3 (first one bmw made) and the steering is like part of it's characteristics so it sucks that he didn't put the m3 rack | 16:42 |
| EriC^^ | dangerous no, it just isn't that nice to drive, and lost a little of it's characteristic | 16:43 |
| daftykins | :< | 16:43 |
| EriC^^ | it had leaked like 4 years ago, and i didn't put a normal rack for it (couldn't find the m3 one) and i rather drove it without power steering til i figured something out | 16:43 |
| EriC^^ | then i came up with a way to get it to work | 16:43 |
| EriC^^ | and this guy said he has m3 parts and i was fixing other stuff and he said he could fit it, so i figured yeah sure | 16:44 |
| EriC^^ | and he lied | 16:44 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: can't you just ask him 'hypothetically' how hard it would be to do car repairs while in a wheelchair? ;) | 16:44 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 16:44 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 16:44 |
| ducasse | not nice, i know. | 16:45 |
| \9 | gee it feels like christmas opening that package | 16:48 |
| \9 | time to sink into manuals | 16:48 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:49 |
| \9 | ~ | 16:59 |
| OerHeks | ~~~~~/\~~~~~~\o/~~~~~~ | 17:02 |
| * daftykins taps his foot | 17:02 | |
| * OerHeks whiskers his ears | 17:03 | |
| Bashing-om | Gotta run to town .. be back shortly ( most likely). | 18:57 |
| daftykins | Tuxspeed, sir | 18:58 |
| Bashing-om | Thanky daftykins .. was .. now to play catchup on what happened whilest away . | 19:31 |
| daftykins | :) | 19:32 |
| daftykins | http://imgur.com/a/r1ouC this happened! | 19:32 |
| daftykins | ;) | 19:32 |
| Bashing-om | Nice fresh, shiney and new .. so pretty when so clean ! | 19:40 |
| daftykins | :D it's actually 7 years old and has blown capacitors, but by chance i found out the RAM that *was* in it was faulty, so i gave it another spin just now and it came up! | 19:41 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Oh .. so now you are a qualified soldier ? | 19:43 |
| daftykins | oh i wish, i should learn soon though - no, oddly it still works with 5+ bad caps on | 19:44 |
| daftykins | i'm sure it's a bad idea to use for any length of time whilst they're still bad, but i thought i'd give it a quick try ;) | 19:44 |
| daftykins | * :) | 19:44 |
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| Bashing-om | :) nothing succeeds like trying . | 19:46 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: ^^ 7 yr old .. how in the world did you get the fan blades so clean ? | 19:53 |
| daftykins | Bashing-om: hehe, toothbrush :) | 19:58 |
| Bashing-om | Ho-kay .. now I am a believer in toothbrushes .. | 20:00 |
| daftykins | they're pretty good though the retail intel ones, very reliable in my experience too | 20:01 |
| quantibiliy | alright who else is having some issues with ubuntu 16? | 20:27 |
| Bashing-om | quantibiliy: Not me .. 16.04 - updatd to 16.04.1 .. solid as a rock . No fault here . | 20:30 |
| quantibiliy | yeah then perhaps its xubuntu's issue sorry to bother, just angry | 20:31 |
| daftykins | not the right channel for a support query | 20:32 |
| Bashing-om | quantibiliy: Being in an angry state, clouds one judgemnet . This is 'buntu, and we do believe where there is a problem there is a solution . | 20:33 |
| quantibiliy | yes im trying to calm down | 20:34 |
| quantibiliy | i had my set up great didn't realize when i "removed obsolete software" I got rid of my graphics drivers and various other things.. | 20:35 |
| quantibiliy | and yet still haven't fixed my indicator box either.. | 20:35 |
| quantibiliy | thought it would | 20:35 |
| daftykins | try from the guest account / a clean account, could be your dot files. | 20:37 |
| quantibiliy | daftykins, yes a fresh install or possibly a guest account... could make the indicator box stay to the right but its hugging to the left of the bar, it happens once you try to add or remove panel | 21:01 |
| daftykins | mmhmm | 21:01 |
| quantibiliy | i mean the bar fills and pushes the indicators to the right.. so tits not blocking anything just won't stay to the right | 21:03 |
| Bashing-om | Yuk .. back from power outage . - back is a good thing . | 21:11 |
| daftykins | erk! | 21:11 |
| daftykins | i don't miss those days of regular power disruption | 21:11 |
| Bashing-om | When Oh when am I going to repair that UPS ! | 21:12 |
| daftykins | first thing Monday! | 21:14 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: Recon mike is making more of this than it is .. beating himself up real bad ! Is he ready now to learn ? | 22:58 |
| OerHeks | well, i have no clue how to tell him, that 635m is not the newest, and that he should be happy with it. | 23:03 |
| OerHeks | best advise is the auto install, that gives (even with ppa) the best driver tested. | 23:04 |
| OerHeks | this is his 4th day trying, AFAIK | 23:04 |
| daftykins | :) | 23:04 |
| Bashing-om | Uh huh .. will keep that in mind .. the system should know what is best . | 23:05 |
| OerHeks | we exchanges lists, didn't we? i have a part for systemd and drivers, still need to go through yours and monkeydust lists | 23:06 |
| OerHeks | http://paste.ubuntu.com/21456561/ | 23:06 |
| daftykins | ooh | 23:07 |
| daftykins | so that's how you guys do it :D | 23:07 |
| Bashing-om | we get 10% pf the proceeds ( royalty fee ) :) | 23:08 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 23:08 |
| OerHeks | for every pennie, i give 2 pennies to the WHOTTW-fund | 23:08 |
| OerHeks | who-helps-oerheks-through-the-winter* | 23:08 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:09 |
| daftykins | hmm some of my favourites are quite rarely useful, perhaps - such as watching your CPU clock speeds scale in realtime: | 23:09 |
| daftykins | watch -n 0.1 'grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo' | 23:10 |
| daftykins | a really ugly way to see progress from dd: | 23:10 |
| daftykins | watch -n 30 'sudo kill -USR1 $pid_of_dd' | 23:10 |
| OerHeks | packagemanager gives a nice progressbar in terminal nowadays | 23:11 |
| daftykins | oh? i'd vaguely heard of better ways for progress but can't remember them, yet | 23:11 |
| OerHeks | that needa a package iirc | 23:12 |
| Bashing-om | I still do 'dd' progress the old fashioned way .. the directive is in the man command . | 23:12 |
| daftykins | oh? i was using -USR1 via kill on the PID, just chaining it with 'watch' so i could get an output every 30 seconds | 23:13 |
| OerHeks | !info pq | 23:14 |
| ubot5 | pq (source: pq): Progress Quest is a "fire and forget" computer role-playing game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6.2-0ubuntu3 (xenial), package size 318 kB, installed size 496 kB | 23:14 |
| OerHeks | !info pv | 23:14 |
| ubot5 | pv (source: pv): Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.0-1 (xenial), package size 48 kB, installed size 169 kB | 23:14 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: wb! | 23:15 |
| EriC^^ | thanks daftykins | 23:15 |
| * daftykins tests another board since the surprise faulty RAM confirmation | 23:19 | |
| OerHeks | yay !cookie Bashing-om | 23:20 |
| OerHeks | hoi EriC^^ | 23:20 |
| EriC^^ | hey OerHeks | 23:20 |
| Bashing-om | OerHeks: I never had a doubt was operator error .. in mike's case . :) | 23:21 |
| OerHeks | i guess we would have found plenty of bugreports | 23:22 |
| Bashing-om | Still, with a long way to go in thoughtful progression to fault isolation . | 23:25 |
| OerHeks | the future will be boring, with such tools. | 23:27 |
| Bashing-om | Oh the day .. AI .. and computers do our think'n for us . sheessshhh. | 23:30 |
| OerHeks | You are a rare pokemon :-D | 23:30 |
| Bashing-om | One of these days I will know as much as I think I know, and add to what I know what OerHeks knows .. than I will be a rare pokemon :-) | 23:34 |
| OerHeks | i can imagine, with the knowledge of daftykins on top of that, they'ĺl be hunting for ya | 23:35 |
| daftykins | ooh this other board POSTs again :D | 23:35 |
| daftykins | silly faulty RAM tricked me! | 23:35 |
| Bashing-om | Well .. the better thing is that I have access to yall here on IRC .. and I have direct access to yall's brains . ( do not have to consume my own personal ram ) . | 23:39 |
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