[02:31] <ubuntu-mate> hey guys
[04:45] <NeueMann> Hey guys, I'm having this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/804296/ubuntu-mate-is-getting-the-wrong-ip-address
[04:51] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: Read through this - it might help: http://tecadmin.net/setup-network-interface-on-ubuntu-debian-and-linuxmint/#
[05:00] <NeueMann> YankDownUnder, that didn't help. After following the instructions ethernet didn't show at all in ifconfig.
[05:00] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: Question - are you sure the drivers for this network card are actually installed and working?
[05:02] <NeueMann> that didn't help. After following the instructions ethernet didn't show at all in ifconfig.
[05:02] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: As per the last question I asked - are the drivers installed for this network card?
[05:03] <NeueMann> Sorry, got disconnected using the network card. They were. How would I check that now?
[05:03] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: Easy done - open a terminal - type: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[05:04] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: That would automatically install any drivers that you might need on this system - however, that being said, it might not necessarily fix your issue. Have you checked your network card configs in the network manager - just to make sure or test?
[05:04] <NeueMann> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[05:05] <YankDownUnder> "2 not upgraded" - in the Software Centre, are those "items" showing?
[05:10] <NeueMann> Nope but I installed the upgrades. Now they're gone.
[05:11] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: Rebooted?
[05:11] <NeueMann> Several times.
[05:12] <NeueMann> I've also rebooted the router (when in use) and requested new IPs from the network.
[05:12] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: Still the same IP address range - being 10.x.x.x ?
[05:12] <NeueMann> Yes.
[05:12] <NeueMann> I've restarted network-manager as well.
[05:13] <YankDownUnder> NeueMann: I'm at a loss for the moment - you should either wait in here, or also ask in #ubuntu -> there are more folks in there, mate.
[05:13] <NeueMann> Thanks.
[05:28] <m4bs> hye guys
[05:29] <m4bs> some1?
[05:34] <m4bs> look like no one here
[08:01] <mate|47163> hello
[09:56] <mate|63758> Hi, I have a old laptop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/FujitsuAmiloLa1703 and it's graphic card works ok in ubuntu mate live usb but installed it goes to 640x480
[09:57] <mate|63758> ubuntu mate live usb 16.01 LTS downloaded today
[09:58] <mate|63758> how can I copy graphics configuration from live usb to the installed version?
[10:01] <alkisg> mate|63758: what's the output of this command? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
[10:04] <mate|1> $ lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
[10:04] <mate|1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1106:3230] (rev 01)
[10:04] <mate|1>  Subsystem: Fujitsu Technology Solutions K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1734:10d9]
[10:04] <mate|1>  Kernel modules: viafb
[10:04] <mate|1> me again in usb live
[10:04] <alkisg> Ah, that's the live one, ok,
[10:05] <alkisg> can you put also the output of: xrandr
[10:05] <alkisg> And: cat /var/log/Xorg.?.log
[10:05] <alkisg> ..in paste.ubuntu.com or somewhere similar
[10:06] <alkisg> Then boot normally, so that we can compare the output of those commands
[10:06] <alkisg> ...between the livecd session and the normal session
[10:06] <alkisg> From what I see, the live cd doesn't use the openchrome driver, but only viafb
[10:07] <alkisg> Ah and a final command to compare between live and normal is: cat /proc/cmdline
[10:08] <mate|1> http://pastebin.com/iaQXRB18
[10:08] <mate|1> got cut, is enough?
[10:09] <mate|1> rebooting
[10:11] <mate|63758> ooops, life gets in the way of this :/
[10:11] <mate|63758> I will be back
[10:12] <mate|63758> it will involve xorg.conf or this is something that is in the past?
[10:14] <alkisg> mate|63758: the output of xrandr?
[10:15] <alkisg> Also, pluma /var/log/Xorg.0.log should allow you to copy/paste all of it
[10:15] <alkisg> It might involve xorg.conf, yes
[10:15] <mate|63758> thanks :)
[10:53] <powpei> j
[11:20] <lhz> using a sound blaster e5 usb audio card connected to an amplifier through optical. now volume in ubuntu has always been a bit lower than in windows 10, meaning i have had to turn the volume up a bit more on my amplifier. now after a recent update in ubuntu, volume is inaudibly low, i can only barely hear anything even if i turn up volume on my amplifier to the max. any ideas? in pavucontrol it looks like
[11:21] <lhz> the whole scale is used.
[11:21] <lhz> and volume is set to 100%
[11:23] <lhz> looks like it just broke completely now, syslog is spammed by these: "com.canonical.indicator.sound-gtk2[4107]: 11:22:59.718 E [audio_driver_pulseaudio.cpp:326 ] can't write to stream, Connection terminated"
[11:40] <ouroumov> lhz, maybe ask in #ubuntu ? I don't think such a problem would be specific to Ubuntu MATE
[13:55] <mate|35947> mpaste seems to be broken in ubuntu 16.01 LTS
[13:55] <mate|35947> mpaste -lang text -e 12345 typescript
[13:55] <mate|35947> Could not load languages from api, defaulting to "text"
[13:55] <mate|35947> Could not get expiration times, defaulting to 1800
[13:55] <mate|35947> Reading file: typescript ...
[13:55] <mate|35947> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:55] <mate|35947>   File "/usr/bin/mpaste", line 155, in <module>
[13:55] <mate|35947>     if not args.expire in params['expires']:
[13:55] <mate|35947> TypeError: argument of type 'int' is not iterable
[14:55] <Wimpress> ouroumov, See the name change above :-)
[14:56] <Wimpress> alkisg, You too :-)
[15:14] <Wimpress> busmaster, Yo
[15:14] <busmaster> Hi
[15:14] <busmaster> Well, I want to contribute but don't know where to start
[15:15] <busmaster> Any pointers?
[15:16] <DarkPsydeLord> as a developer?
[15:17] <busmaster> Yes
[15:18] <busmaster> I can do Python, Java, C/C++ and Web dev
[15:18] <busmaster> I can work with Git as well
[15:19] <DarkPsydeLord> well correct me if im wrong but ubuntu-mate doesnt have a git project but mate does
[15:19] <DarkPsydeLord> i think buntu mate is on launchpad
[15:21] <busmaster> Yes, well I just need a heading. Anything is fine.
[15:21] <DarkPsydeLord> usually people get involved translating in most projects for start
[15:21] <DarkPsydeLord> or trying to find a fix for bugs
[15:22] <Wimpress> busmaster, We do use Git.
[15:22] <Wimpress> Most projects are in BitBucket.
[15:22] <Wimpress> busmaster, See Ubuntu MATE Welcome for links to where the projects live.
[15:23] <Wimpress> We are working on some Get Involved documentation.
[15:23] <Wimpress> Which will help people determine how to get started.
[15:23] <Wimpress> busmaster, But is there something in particular you're interested in working on?
[15:25] <busmaster> Um,
[15:26] <busmaster> Ok, full disclosure. I've heard a lot about FOSS and I think I'm capable of working on something now.
[15:27] <busmaster> This is completely new territory for me.
[15:27] <busmaster> So am I interested in something particular? I really can't say.
[16:00] <danila> Hey, guys
[16:00] <danila> Is anyone here? :p
[16:00] <Akuli> yes
[16:01] <danila> How to pin apps to the left side of the panel? I need to replace Firefox with Chrome
[16:02] <danila> (I use Redmond theme)
[16:04] <Akuli> right-click, remove, right-click, add to panel
[16:04] <Akuli> unless the left side panel is not a normal mate side panel
[16:05] <danila> What if it is?
[16:07] <Akuli> then get rid of it and create a mate panel instead
[16:07] <Akuli> you can make it wider than the default if you like to
[16:07] <Akuli> mate panels are fun, you just right-click and you can do anything to them
[16:08] <danila> When I right-clicked Chrome and chose "Add to panel"
[16:08] <danila> it was then put in the active apps area
[16:08] <Akuli> drag it and move it
[16:08] <Akuli> or right-click, select move
[16:09] <danila> then I can put it only on the right side
[16:09] <danila> otherwise I can't see my active apps
[16:09] <danila> Chrome kinda covers them
[16:10] <Akuli> right-click what you call active apps at the left side
[16:10] <Akuli> and unlock it
[16:10] <Akuli> then you can move it around
[16:13] <danila> Thanks, dude
[16:17] <sslove> ouroumov, um, forked before that feature? definitely not, the very first time i had ever used the mint menu back in 2009, it already had that ability, and it is awesome. shame the ubuntu mate team left that out. (the ability to search for and install directly from the menu without the need to open anything else, just type, and even a partial completion is often enough, and you are presented with all the possibilities to install
[16:17] <sslove> software, which u may do with one click + admin password of course)
[16:19] <Akuli> sslove, maybe busmaster could modify the menu for you? :)
[16:19] <Akuli> the menu is all python
[16:20] <Akuli> i've changed it once, someone here wanted it to open by just hovering instead of clicking
[16:20] <sslove> i wonder if it is just a relatively simple thing to toggle in dconf for instance, and i wonder why it wouldn't be there since it is part of the functionality of that menu for years(since its inception afaik)
[16:21] <Akuli> another option would be to grab mint's menu and install it on ubuntu mate, but it may not be easy
[16:23] <t_> my software updater thing is confusing
[16:25] <busmaster> There's this nifty little feature I discovered recently, one can press and hold the Mate menu, navigate to required option and launch it on release.
[16:26] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/yHksb if you see here, i typed in 'soulseek' in the mint menu, it would give me the option at the bottom to install nicotine+ and other soulseek clients
[16:26] <busmaster> It saves one click, but pretty intuitive.
[16:26] <sslove> if i were to type pidgin- it would give me a big scrollable list of pidgin extensions i could install with a simple click
[16:28] <sslove> i'm not sure if the current linux mint mate still allows that functionality, but i don't see why it would have been removed unless maybe it's a bitch to maintain that feature
[16:29] <Akuli> busmaster, i believe all gtk buttons emit their clicked signal on button release. which would explain that
[16:31] <sslove> https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg
[16:32] <eirik_> hey! how can i make my mouse pointer diappear when i watch for ex youtube videos in fullscreen?
[16:33] <Akuli> eirik_, drag it to the right edge? :)
[16:33] <sslove> https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg sorry, in this pic u can see what i am talking about, this has always been part of the mint menu, and one of the killer features of it. i wish unity would  allow search and install of software via the dash. i believe it's a makulu linux unity install that i have the ability to uninstall apps directly from the dash
[16:34] <Akuli> eirik_, my pointer disappears by itself on 14.04
[16:34] <Akuli> busmaster, interested in showing what you can do? :)
[16:35] <busmaster> Sure.
[16:35] <busmaster> um...What exactly is to be done?
[16:35] <eirik_> Akuli, hehe, yeah. now i just drag it over to my other monitor, but it'd be better if it just disappeared like it should. i'm on 16.04
[16:36] <Akuli> busmaster, i'm not an ubuntu mate developer and i have no idea what they appreciate
[16:36] <Akuli> but if you want to you could implement what sslove needs
[16:36] <Akuli> eirik_, which browser? it disappears on chromium, i can try that on firefix
[16:36] <Akuli> firefox
[16:37] <eirik_> google-chorme-stable
[16:37] <sslove> busmaster, do u see my last link? the image of the ability to one click install software directly from the 'mintmenu'?
[16:37] <sslove> https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg
[16:37] <Akuli> eirik_, should be basically same as my chromium
[16:37] <eirik_> i havent tried on firefox yet, i could try that and see if that works. hold on.
[16:37] <sslove> it has always been there on any version of it i have ever used in any distro wise enough to include it, except ubuntu-mate
[16:38] <busmaster> I saw the image.
[16:39] <Akuli> oops! :D
[16:39] <Akuli> i forgot that i have Ctrl+Alt+backspace set up to kill my x
[16:39] <sslove> do u know why it's not working in ubuntu mate?
[16:39] <eirik_> Akuli, it disappeared as expected in firefox. guess it might be a problem with chrome
[16:39] <Akuli> sslove, ubuntu mate's menu is a fork of mintmenu
[16:40] <Akuli> basically, martin or someone else has taken the mint menu and modified it, then it's become ubuntu mate menu
[16:40] <eirik_> Akuli, is chromeium the same as google chrome?
[16:40] <Akuli> so all we'd probably need to do is to copy-paste some code from mint's menu and you'd have your search function
[16:40] <sslove> right, i get that
[16:40] <Akuli> eirik_, chromium is a free as in freedom version of it
[16:40] <Akuli> google is not spying on you, but you also don't get flash player with it
[16:41] <eirik_> both sounds perfect! :d
[16:41] <sslove> but then that functionality was deliberately removed/omitted from the fork?
[16:41] <eirik_> :D
[16:41] <Akuli> sslove, yes, and i dont know why
[16:41] <sslove> speaking of chromium browsers, years ago there was iron browser, whatever happened with that project?
[16:41] <eirik_> can i still log in as i would in chrome, though?
[16:41] <Akuli> yes
[16:41] <Akuli> just like in chrome, with your google account
[16:42] <Akuli> its really not that different
[16:43] <sslove> it's still super cool to have that menu in ubuntu mate, and that ability to install new sw while not something u do everyday, for geeks, it's something that we(at least i) do often
[16:43] <Akuli> eirik_, my pointer disappears with firefox also
[16:43] <Akuli> i guess this is yet another 16.04 issue :)
[16:46] <eirik_> Akuli, hmm, okay. i'll try chromium, as that sounds great, but you might be right that it's a 16.04 issue
[16:46] <eirik_> Akuli, i've had some other problems with 16.04 too. does it have a lot of issues?
[16:47] <sslove> i've had more issues with 16.04 than any ubuntu release in years, but nothing major
[16:49] <eirik_> what kind of problems?
[16:50] <sslove> let me think about it
[16:51] <eirik_> my main problem, which i'd consider somewhat major, was that with regular ubuntu, when I installed it or booted from a live cd i would just get a black background, and no input would work. however, other flavors like mate, etc., works with no problems. so i would assume it's a problem with unity
[16:55] <sslove> well, little stuff like, my icon theme of choice(faenza) no longer displays correctly across the whole system, missing from synaptic for instance, synaptic now has some butt ugly icons, synaptic also missing from global menu, synaptic  also missing the quick filter which was default in the past, had to google for a solution and get it back, power and sound icons are the default (ugly) ones in the system settings. update manager
[16:55] <sslove> doesn't work, "software" doesn't work, and more. little stuff like that, and maybe some slightly bigger issues that are not coming to me now, like, it takes about 5x as long to wake from suspend as it does to turn on and boot from 'off'
[16:57] <sslove> in the past i have had to turn a lubuntu install into unity by installing the necessary stuff, takes a while to really get it looking right. i had to do it because installing for my x and she only had a 1gb usb stick
[16:58] <eirik_> yeah, that does sounds annoying. was that on vanilla 16.04 ubuntu? did you run into the same problems on other flavors, e.g mate, lubuntu, etc?
[16:59] <sslove> no this was an older release, maybe 15.04
[16:59] <Akuli> eirik_, what are your other issues?
[16:59] <sslove> i installed lubuntu because it was the only official ubuntu i could fit on a 1gb usb and then installed ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-session, etc
[16:59] <Akuli> oh :)
[17:00]  * Akuli reads the scrollback
[17:00] <sslove> my other grievance is i can't get  my favorite audio app guayadeque, to work
[17:00] <Akuli> sslove, mini.isos are for that
[17:01] <Akuli> they fit in about 50 megabytes or so
[17:02] <sslove> guayadeque is no longer in the repos, and if i manually install it, it doesn't playback anything because 16.04 is missing a package from the repos required by guayadeque to play music
[17:02] <eirik_> Akuli, well, i can't say i ran into a whole lot of other problems as i never could get my vanilla ubuntu to work, haha! so i opted for mate, which, after using it for a while, i very much prefer to unity.
[17:02] <sslove> i tried the mini .iso but i couldn't get it to work
[17:02] <eirik_> so far i havent run into many problems apart from the cursor thing
[17:02] <Akuli> sslove, what was your problem?
[17:03] <Akuli> if it was installing a kernel then i had the same issue when i tried it
[17:03] <Metomorphis> im having samba client issues here, can see workgroups but cannot connect to file server, i have fresh install not changes made to smb.conf
[17:05] <Akuli> Metomorphis, i'd just use nitroshare for simple file transfers
[17:05] <Akuli> maybe you need to allow it through ufw?
[17:05] <Akuli> i mean allow samba
[17:06] <Metomorphis> i havent turned ufw on, i had thought about that
[17:06] <Metomorphis> never heard of nitroshare though
[17:07] <Akuli> you can google for screenshots
[17:07] <sslove> i really really LOVE Ubuntu MATE, but i have gotten used to stuff like the awesome unity keyboard shortcuts to launch apps, cycle thru windows, show desktop, the HUD (especially the HUD, most killer OS feature ever) and the overall polish and stability of it. there are things i wish i had the ability to change or modify about unity, as i was able to do with just about anything on GNOME 2, but still, it is very slick, i love the
[17:07] <sslove> global menu (former mac user) and i use top menu here in U MATE, and on my netbook, i have begun to wean myself off the 3rd party launchers like Kupfer (amazing) and docky, and just try to use the unity dash and launcher so i can reclaim precious ram. neither are as good as using kupfer and docky, but there are strengths and weaknesses to each
[17:07] <Akuli> sslove, you probably want to set up compiz
[17:08] <Akuli> it does a lot of that stuff
[17:09] <Metomorphis> if i install nitroshare will it change any of my system settings so that if i dont like it uninstalling will be a pain?
[17:09] <Akuli> it shouldn't, if you use the ppa or download the deb directly
[17:09] <Akuli> of course, you want to remove the ppa after uninstalling, but other than that it shouldn't cause any issues
[17:09] <Akuli> you also need to install it on all computers you're sharing stuff on
[17:09] <Metomorphis> i saw that its in the repos at least when i did a apt search it shows it
[17:10] <Akuli> oh
[17:10] <Akuli> well its not in my 14.04 :)
[17:10] <Akuli> then it should be great
[17:10] <Metomorphis> ahh ok ill check it out.. thank you
[17:10] <Akuli> also adds a handy ufw profile, so stuff like "sudo ufw allow nitroshare" will work
[17:10] <Codfection> Ubuntu mate is the best distro
[17:10] <Metomorphis> awesome
[17:10] <Codfection> Removes the lag from unity :)
[17:11] <Akuli> i like nitroshare. it does one thing and does it well :)
[17:11] <sslove> well, i have U MATE  now on an old netbook 1.6ghz and 1gb ram, so  i'll just leave marco gpu on, MATE (GNOME 2) still has cool stuff i wish i could do in unity, but i thanks to HUD and shortcuts and the behavior of global menu and LIM, unity currently is the best DE for my main computing needs
[17:11] <Akuli> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_It_Well
[17:12] <eirik_> sslove, is there no way of getting those features to mate? i'd be really surprised if no shortcut program existed
[17:12] <Akuli> sslove, there's keyboard shortcuts in the menu, you can get started with that
[17:14] <eirik_> where can i configure compiz btw? i switched to it in the mate control center > MATE tweak, but now all the options above is greyed out
[17:14] <sslove> eirik_, it's possible maybe, but u know, in unity, it's the default, press and hold super for cheat sheet(very nice) and u see the 'speed dial' for 10 apps. i usually use 10 apps or less, so i launch and switch/toggle opera for instance with super+1
[17:14] <Akuli> eirik_, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:14] <Akuli> sslove, what does it matter whats the default?
[17:14] <sslove> telegram super+2, etc. would be nice to see similar functionality implemented in future MATE as well
[17:15] <eirik_> Akuli, allright, thanks!
[17:15] <sslove> btw, as of 16.04, sudo apt install will suffice, no need to type apt-get
[17:15] <Akuli> as of 12.04, i think
[17:16] <sslove> really??
[17:16] <eirik_> sslove, ah, i see. i agree that i do miss the super to open a launcher/start menu kind, but i havent looked that much into it
[17:16] <sslove> fuuuuck
[17:16] <Akuli> at least my 14.04 has it
[17:16] <sslove> imagine how many unnecessary  -get i must have typed out
[17:16] <Akuli> also, if we wanted to do it the right way we'd use aptitude instead of apt-get and apt
[17:16] <sslove> might amount to a few extra hours of my life!
[17:16] <sslove> lol
[17:17] <Akuli> thats an unnecessary itude, but worth it
[17:17] <eirik_> i've always wondered about that. in almost every tutorial i see, they use apt-get, but when i type a command wrong it suggests just apt. what's the difference?
[17:17] <Akuli> sslove, run aptitude without any args to get started, and go play minesweeper with it :)
[17:17] <Akuli> eirik_, apt is "the new" thing, but behind the scenes it uses apt-get anyway
[17:17] <sslove> Akuli, what do u mean?
[17:18] <Akuli> sslove, type aptitude
[17:18] <Akuli> you can play minesweeper with it
[17:18] <eirik_> Akuli, ah, okay. so they're basically the same thing?
[17:18] <Akuli> eirik_, yes. there's some differences, but not many.
[17:19] <Akuli> sslove, actions - play minesweeper
[17:19] <sslove> what else?
[17:19] <sslove> chess would be nice
[17:19] <sslove> don't really know minesweeper
[17:19] <Akuli> its easy
[17:19] <eirik_> Akuli, okay. is the differences like legacy stuff or is there any functionality differences? i've notices that apt-get doesnt have a search command
[17:19] <Akuli> the numbers just tell how many mines there's around them
[17:19] <Akuli> eirik_, apt-cache search ...
[17:19] <Akuli> apt just uses that :)
[17:20] <Akuli> the apt command is basically renaming the commands and merging them into one thing
[17:20] <eirik_> Akuli, okay. so apt just uses the other apt-* commands to do things?
[17:20] <Akuli> yes
[17:20] <eirik_> Akuli, gotcha!
[17:20] <Akuli> basically
[17:20] <Akuli> it does some other stuff, but really not much
[17:21] <sslove> i just played it, not fun
[17:21] <sslove> i'd rather fap
[17:25] <eirik_> Akuli, btw, i just install chromium-browser and tried youtube in fullscreen. the mouse pointer disappeared! :D thanks for the suggestion
[17:25] <Akuli> so it was about the browser :)
[17:25] <sslove> yea, super + 1-0 has kinda made my dock app(s) sorta obsolete
[17:25] <Akuli> weird that chrome doesn't do that
[17:25] <sslove> since it's much quicker for me to hit the shortcuts on keyboard rather than mouse to the dock and click to appear or hide app
[17:26] <TwoNotes> Where can I find instructions on upgrading U-M from 15.10 to 16.04.1?
[17:27] <sslove> eirik_, u can try uninstalling and reinstalling or just reinstalling the browser to see if that has any effect. easy enough to do it and see
[17:27] <eirik_> yeah, seems like it was a browser issue. i agree, chrome should do it no problems, must be a bug
[17:27] <sslove> TwoNotes, do-release-upgrade
[17:27] <TwoNotes> System/Admin menu has THREE apps that have something to do with softwrae upgrades
[17:27] <eirik_> sslove, yeah, i'll try that as well
[17:27] <Akuli> TwoNotes, i believe it's just a simple sudo do-release-upgrade, but you should check that first. you may also want to change your settings to use LTS versions
[17:28] <TwoNotes> Akuli, which settings would those be?
[17:28] <Akuli> i forgot which file they are in
[17:28] <Akuli> let me check
[17:28] <sslove> Akuli, TwoNotes u don't need sudo for do-release-upgrade, it launches its own sudo
[17:29] <sslove> TwoNotes, do-release-upgrade will suffice
[17:29] <Akuli> well... i definitely don't like that
[17:29] <Akuli> root access without asking for root access
[17:30] <eirik_> sslove, i tried uninstalling and reinstalling google-chrome-stable by using apt remove google-chrome-stable and then apt install ... , but the cursor still doesn't disappear in fullscreen. i'll try to purge google-chrome-stable to remove all settings, maybe that'll help. will report back
[17:31] <sslove> no it asks for ur admin password
[17:31] <Akuli> TwoNotes, edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the last line to Prompt=lts
[17:31] <Akuli> that way you should get 16.04, not 16.10
[17:32] <eirik_> sslove, yeah, i hope it asks for the password. sounds scary if it could use sudo without asking
[17:32] <sslove> but no need to type sudo that's all, believe me, for a whole release upgrade for sure u will need admin access
[17:32] <Akuli> it can't use sudo by itself... unless you've used sudo within the last 5 minutes or so and sudo remembers that :D
[17:33] <eirik_> true, true. is the cool-down 5 min by default?
[17:33] <sslove> yea, sometimes the most perplexing problems i have had with a browser (happened to be chrome or chromium) a clear cache turned out to solve the problem. i was unable to get online at all until i cleared cache
[17:33] <Akuli> eirik_, i'm not sure, and you can probably change that
[17:33] <Akuli> man sudo
[17:34] <TwoNotes> The release-upfrades file explicitly says to NOT specify lts if current system is not already an LTS
[17:35] <Akuli> oh.... i should have read that
[17:35] <TwoNotes> Isn't there a web page describing the steps for an upgrade?
[17:35] <Akuli> i'm pretty sure there is
[17:35] <TwoNotes> All I find is old stuff pertaining to previous versions
[17:36] <TwoNotes> I have *never* had a major upgrade-in-place go well.  But I woould prefer not having to do a reinstall this time
[17:37] <TwoNotes> I am downloading the 16.04.1 iso just in case though
[17:37] <Akuli> the traditional way would be to edit your sources.list and run a dist-upgrade, but someone just did that from 14.04 to 16.04 on #ubuntu-fi and it broke a lot of stuff
[17:37] <sslove> TwoNotes, make sure ur fully up to date before doing release upgrade
[17:37] <sslove> makes a difference
[17:38] <TwoNotes> It is such a pain having to find out again, exactly which 'fcitx' modules I need, etc
[17:38] <TwoNotes> How do I tell if I m fully up to date?
[17:38] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:38] <Akuli> run that
[17:40] <randall> I've played 2 different dvds in vlc and there's a wierd flickering effect, is there something ubuntu mate 16.04 is missing out of the box that affects dvd playback?
[17:40] <eirik_> sslove, i tried reinstalling google chrome, but still the cursor doesn't disappear. think i'll switch to chromium though, as that sounds better.
[17:41] <sslove> yea sure, basically the same shit
[17:41] <sslove> chromium is upstream chrome
[17:41] <sslove> randall, trash vlc and install smplayer, better than vlc imho
[17:42] <randall> ummmm....ok?
[17:42] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: exactly how is better im interested
[17:42] <sslove> or don't trash it if u don't want to, but if it's flickering, fuck it
[17:43] <sslove> why keep something around that's not working well. smplayer beats out vlc in
[17:44] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, well, better is subjective, i said imho, but the defaults are way better, nicer, more logical GUI, default keyboard shortcuts, autoresume playback, youtube browser, many many things
[17:45] <sslove> also i find it to use less resources to do the same thing, play media. and on my netbook, or anything running on batteries, i would say that that is definitely 'better'
[17:45] <sslove> just try it out and see for yourself
[17:46] <DarkPsydeLord> sound appealing, but it has the ability to play almost everything without a lil tweak as vlc does?
[17:48] <sslove> i love vlc, don't get me wrong, but as a standalone (video) player, i like smplayer better. also just works better for me all around, more stable, less resources, more logical defaults, etc. but mostly i use kodi for most media playback, somehow it plays videos on my netbook(s) using less ram and cpu than either smplayer OR vlc, i don't know what kodi uses on the backend
[17:48] <randall> sslove, does the youtube browser actually work again? I know it didn't last time I used it
[17:48] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, yes, i believe so, it usually plays stuff vlc can't or won't
[17:49] <sslove> yea the utube browser i was using just a few days ago
[17:49] <sslove> it has been rewritten
[17:49] <sslove> it's a new one now
[17:50] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: awesome im trying it asap and i mean it im about to play a whole bunch of old backups
[17:50] <eirik_> sslove, how does the yt browser work?
[17:51] <sslove> eirik_, what do u mean?
[17:51] <sslove> u mean does it work well?
[17:52] <eirik_> sslove, like, do you search for the videos you want to watch? does it have a subscription page where new videos from the channels you're subscribed to on youtube shows up?
[17:53] <sslove> um
[17:53] <sslove> not sure leme check
[17:54] <sslove> sudo apt install smplayer smtube
[17:54] <TwoNotes> WHat is the difference between 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and 'do-release-upgrade'?
[17:54] <nomic> 1. upgrades version
[17:55] <nomic> 2. ... would use sudo apt-get upgrade ... 2 is maybe "install updates2
[17:55] <nomic> haven't seen/heard of "do-release-upgrade"
[17:55] <Akuli> do-release-update is an ubuntu thing
[17:56] <Akuli> ubuntu developers made it for whatever reason, its not there in other debian-based distros
[17:56] <sslove> TwoNotes, dist-upgrade upgrades ur installed distro, release upgrade upgrades the release, to a new release (pretty much what it sounds like, but i know it can seem confusing)
[17:57] <TwoNotes> Ok, so update+dist-upgrade makes sure my CURRENT system is up to date.  Then do-release-upgrade will take it to 16.04?
[17:57] <sslove> wait, uh, to upgrade to new release, the cmd is do-release-upgrade  or update or both? now i am confused
[17:58] <sslove> TwoNotes, correct, that is if u are either on 15.10 or 14.04
[17:58] <TwoNotes> Need to have all current updates applied first as I understand it
[17:58] <TwoNotes> on 15.10 now
[17:58] <sslove> right
[17:59] <Akuli> TwoNotes, or maybe to 16.10
[17:59] <Akuli> which might be a bit of a problem because its harder to go back
[17:59] <TwoNotes> I want the LTS, which is 16.04.1 I think
[18:00] <DarkPsydeLord> trying smplayer playing an old loseless backup .ape of lacrimosa stille album
[18:01] <DarkPsydeLord> works like a charm!
[18:02] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, haha cool
[18:04] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/dZzdl smtube
[18:04] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/VzoRu more smtube
[18:05] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/DPJ8b
[18:06] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/JVwzw
[18:06] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/PlKde
[18:06] <dan> hi all
[18:07] <ouroumov> sslove, why do you think that feature (menu-search) was cool? The way I see it it would have had to require a lot of useless CPU cycles.
[18:07] <sslove> eirik_, see the smtube pics i just linked to above, those a just screenshot now, it's working fine, but i don't see an ability to subscribe
[18:08] <nomic> i don't like the fact that  apt-get upgrade = 'update'
[18:08] <sslove> ouroumov, massive time saver and discovery of packages built right into the menu, it was like having synaptic built right into it
[18:09] <ouroumov> Right so it's of zero interest to 99% of computer users
[18:09] <sslove> ouroumov, i didn't notice it to ever slow down my computers and i use total piece of shit underpowered netbooks with 1gb ram, lol
[18:09] <sslove> i don't think cpu cycles is an issue for that feature
[18:10] <ouroumov> On my N3150 running apt-cache search results in a massive CPU spike
[18:10] <sslove> ouroumov, What's of 0 interest to 99% of users? package search and install in menu?
[18:10] <ouroumov> sslove, yes
[18:11] <eirik_> sslove, ah, okay, cool! seems like a decent alternative to using youtube.com, especially where resources are limited.
[18:11] <sslove> ouroumov, well, as u see, there is wikipedia and google and computer search built into there too, maybe 99% of ppl don't use that either, to do a google search for instance, should it be removed then?
[18:13] <ouroumov> Those are static strings with an onlick event triggering an action only if the user chooses
[18:14] <sslove> ouroumov, i don't  see your point, sure it is useful to many of the geeks who use linux
[18:15] <ouroumov> Who cares about the geeks though? The geeks are happy with a command line.
[18:16] <sslove> let's face it, despite all our efforts to make linux os's user friendly, an admirable goal btw, and we try to install it on all of our gf's and fmaily's computers, it is still mostly geeks using this shit, and i'm  sure a lot of us LIKE THAT FEATURE. hey, i have been missing that for years, i fucking love that GNOME 2 mint menu
[18:17] <ouroumov> I've converted My brother, My Mother, My Father, My Aunt, My Cousin to Linux
[18:17] <ouroumov> They're barely geeks at all.
[18:17] <sslove> geeks are also lazy cunts (at least can be, and often are) and this is probably the quickest and easiest way to install software, unless u wanna install many packages at once and then, nothing beats cli
[18:17] <ouroumov> The Old lady that's my mother's friend is no geek either
[18:17] <sslove> ouroumov, congrats mate, where u from btw?
[18:17] <ouroumov> All most of the use is: Firefox and Thunderbird
[18:18] <ouroumov> I'm from France. :]
[18:19] <sslove> ok, here's an argument that u can't beat, u tell granny, or pops or bro or whomever, hey if u wanna type in and search in this menu here, u can click to install new software too, what could possibly be easier than that? nothing to launch
[18:19] <sslove> anyway, i want it there even if it is JUST FOR ME, and the original guy who wrote the code, i guess he thought it would be a good idea
[18:20] <sslove> france is a wonderful place, sorry to hear about the recent bullshit over there
[18:20] <ouroumov> If the feature is still in Mint menu it should be portable
[18:20] <sslove> thunderbird, really?
[18:20] <ouroumov> yes
[18:20] <sslove> lol, that is something that is of 0 use for 99% of ppl
[18:20] <sslove> lol
[18:21] <ouroumov> Everybody reads mail
[18:21] <ouroumov> And for most of them, once on a heavy client, always on a heavy client
[18:22] <ouroumov> Only the younguns can not throw up at the idea of a webmail
[18:22] <sslove> personally, in the past i have used and loved email clients, but haven't used one in years now.
[18:23] <sslove> mozilla no longer develops thunderbird and i hear they're gonna kill it, fyi
[18:23] <sslove> i doubt anyone else will fork and maintain it
[18:24] <ouroumov> Well sure, it's not like they can just keep adding features, I mean it's already a mail client. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski )
[18:24] <ouroumov> One could argue it doesn't need to be in active development anymore
[18:27] <swift110> hey all
[18:34] <sslove> yea sure, kupfer hasn't been seen any active development in years and it is still a brilliant and relevant piece of software that works well in any distro i have tried. it's fully mature and stable sw
[18:34] <ouroumov> hey swift110
[18:41] <swift110> how are you ouroumov
[18:42] <ouroumov> Nursing a small headache, you? :]
[18:49] <lab_> tio hacker
[18:49] <lab_> holi
[18:49] <ouroumov> hi lab_
[18:49] <lab_> tio amd o intel:
[18:49] <lab_> tio
[18:51] <lab_> hola
[18:51] <lab_> hola
[18:51] <lab_> alo
[18:51] <lab_> aloooooooooooooo
[18:51] <swift110> I am enjoying youtube
[18:51] <lab_> niiiice
[18:51] <lab_> dude
[18:51] <lab_> watch nightbloo3
[18:51] <lab_> that great
[18:51] <lab_> (y)
[18:54] <swift110> what us it
[19:01] <DarkPsydeLord> ok so this is my final verdict about smplayer
[19:02] <DarkPsydeLord> after playing all sorts of rare formats
[19:02] <DarkPsydeLord> me likey! (y)
[19:02] <sslove> hahahaa
[19:02] <sslove> ok, so, how do u think it fares against vlc?
[19:03] <sslove> have u noticed if u quit during playback, it resumes at the point u left off?
[19:03] <sslove> that i like, and afaik vlc doesn't do, and if it does, not by default
[19:03] <DarkPsydeLord> well default gui remind me wmp which i dont like at all but theres plenty of themes so now i really like it
[19:04] <DarkPsydeLord> controls are so intuitive its ridiculous
[19:04] <sslove> it's funny how some of the best software in the FLOSS world is overlooked
[19:04] <sslove> yea the default theme is wack but others are included
[19:05] <sslove> yup, i used to have to customize all the keys on my vlc to make it like smplayer out of the box, lol
[19:05] <DarkPsydeLord> the freaking youtube feature kill it
[19:05] <sslove> yup, bye bye commercials
[19:06] <sslove> youtube proper now has a way even around my adblockers
[19:06] <DarkPsydeLord> when i first use it i heard in the background "Multikill"
[19:06] <sslove> but somehow smtube doesn't ever show ads to me
[19:06] <sslove> say what?
[19:06] <sslove> u heard it where?
[19:07] <DarkPsydeLord> my head no worries
[19:07] <DarkPsydeLord> jajaja
[19:07] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[19:07] <sslove> donde eres?
[19:07] <DarkPsydeLord> some 3rd world country named mexico XD
[19:07] <sslove> jajaja
[19:07] <sslove> i used to live there, in merida and valladolid
[19:07] <sslove> and tulum
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> however im used to the old sfx in UT
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> so multikill was the obvious
[19:08] <sslove> lol, gotcha
[19:08] <DarkPsydeLord> and nice i love tulum
[19:09] <DarkPsydeLord> paradise on earth
[19:09] <sslove> i hear tulum is getting all big and for rich ppl now
[19:09] <sslove> bye bye small chill village
[19:10] <sslove> when i was there, i saw them building the infrastructure for something to be much much larger than what it was at the time
[19:10] <DarkPsydeLord> well i can tell because now its so freaking expensive to go there :( specially from my hometown which is riiight in the middle of the country
[19:10] <sslove> where is that?
[19:10] <DarkPsydeLord> guanajuato
[19:10] <sslove> i miss mexico man
[19:10] <sslove> but hard to pull bitches there
[19:10] <lab_> hey guys
[19:11] <sslove> oi
[19:11] <DarkPsydeLord> NO WAY! almost everyhuman on earth want to come to playa del carmen
[19:11] <lab_> amd or intel
[19:11] <sslove> lsd
[19:11] <lab_> opio¿?
[19:11] <DarkPsydeLord> omg thats a hard question to answer
[19:11] <lab_> what do you mean
[19:11] <DarkPsydeLord> MDamd of intelsd
[19:11] <lab_> sorry
[19:11] <sslove> LOL
[19:11] <lab_> what do u think about this
[19:12] <sslove> mdamda
[19:12] <DarkPsydeLord> well depending on what you need your computer for and whats your graphics card
[19:12] <lab_> my graphics cards is the gtx 1080
[19:13] <DarkPsydeLord> then intel closed eyes
[19:13] <DarkPsydeLord> and trust falling
[19:13] <lab_> and i think to buy a intel processor
[19:13] <DarkPsydeLord> while holding knifes
[19:13] <sslove> hey maybe u guys have an opinion on what is a good lightweight travel computer with good battery life that runs linux (ubuntu for me) well.
[19:13] <DarkPsydeLord> i think i exagerated the statement a lil bit XD
[19:14] <sslove> doesn't have to be super powerful, but would be nice to edit video and stuff like that
[19:14] <DarkPsydeLord> isnt it that every computer runs ubuntu?
[19:14] <sslove> um, no, the surface which is nice, doesn't really
[19:14] <lab_> are u hackers?
[19:14] <sslove> not 100% anyway
[19:15] <DarkPsydeLord> o no you can but on surface pro
[19:15] <DarkPsydeLord> arm surfaces are broken
[19:15] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[19:15] <sslove> i like the yogas or  maybe a lenovo 2 in 1 15.6 or xps 13
[19:15] <lab_> msi buddy
[19:15] <lab_> hahahah
[19:15] <DarkPsydeLord> btw smplayer support touch interfaces
[19:16] <DarkPsydeLord> which i freaking love it
[19:16] <sslove> and i want a 1-3 yr old laptop so i can get it cheap used
[19:16] <lab_> hey guys
[19:16] <sslove> oh yea thats right
[19:16] <DarkPsydeLord> lab_: yes?
[19:16] <sslove> i have an old OLD lenovo s10-3t touchscreen netbook and the smplayer works nicely on it with touch, i discovered
[19:17] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: so any processor preferences ram video card ? screen size?
[19:17] <sslove> i don't know why it's not the default for ubuntu
[19:17] <lab_> i have a kingston ssd and i need use how hdd format
[19:17] <lab_> ?
[19:18] <lab_> can works?
[19:18] <sslove> well, something on the smallish side because i travel, 13" is nice, i currently travel with 2 old netbooks and 2 galaxy note phones 2 & 3
[19:18] <DarkPsydeLord> being honest i dont understand a lot of stuff in ubuntu thats why i switched to mint for quite few years but when ubuntu mate appeared well... here i am
[19:18] <lab_> and i have s6 edge plus
[19:18] <sslove> i have a 1tb hd in my lenovo convertible, which will be hard to give up and go to a small ssd
[19:19] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, u really don't like unity?
[19:19] <DarkPsydeLord> lab_: can you ask something more specific please
[19:20] <sslove> i think ubuntu mate is fucking awesome, nice to have such a good official flavor with MATE, and the work the team did is really fucking great
[19:20] <ouroumov> Language :)
[19:20] <sslove> only thing i like better about mint now is that gimp is still default (it is right?)
[19:20] <ouroumov> Let's keep the channel family-friendly
[19:21] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: well its like gnome 3 i know, but theres something about unity and gnome 3 i dont like maybe because being an old linux enthusiast i like traditional desktops
[19:21] <Akuli> sslove, i think ubuntu mate comes with gimp
[19:21] <sslove> lol, sorry i can't help it, i'm from nyc, i use nice words when i am excited
[19:21] <sslove> no, mine doesn't
[19:22] <DarkPsydeLord> not really not default
[19:22] <sslove> i believe i installed it via snyaptic (so i can install extras too)
[19:22] <DarkPsydeLord> never used synaptic in my life
[19:22] <ouroumov> sslove, you're American?
[19:22] <DarkPsydeLord> sometimes i dont even use a gui in my desktop jus cli
[19:23] <sslove> well, i agree GNOME 3 is still SH1T, but, unity really looks like the old GNOME 2 ubuntu top  panel of 10.10 and the HUD and the various keyboard shortcuts make navigating really nice and easy/fast
[19:23] <sslove> ouroumov, i am portuguese american
[19:23] <sslove> i am terran
[19:24] <sslove> i pledge allegiance to the earth, not america
[19:24] <ouroumov> sslove, good to have a country to fall back on, seeing the political freak show in the states
[19:24] <sslove> not portugal, not peru, not mexico, etc.
[19:24] <DarkPsydeLord> im half mexican half american half man half bear half pig XD
[19:24] <sslove> lol, yea it's surreal isn't it?
[19:24] <ouroumov> I can't believe it
[19:24] <sslove> i've been living abroad for like 4 years now
[19:25] <sslove> interesting to see it all from afar
[19:25] <DarkPsydeLord> so i can practice my horrible portuguese with you which is spanish that sound like singing for me XD
[19:25] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ...what name change? :D
[19:26] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: ubuntu mate really looks like gnome 2
[19:26] <DarkPsydeLord> it remind me my loved buntu 8
[19:27] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[19:27] <sslove> on my netbook, with 1gb ram, u have a tweaked mutiny with all autohide panels and undecorate mx windows (because of pathetically tiny screen) with advanced menu, and system load indicator. i should really install clipit too, indispensable to me
[19:27] <DarkPsydeLord> i still have my buntu 8 iso
[19:27] <DarkPsydeLord> just cause i loved it back in time and i can afford thos mb in my hdd
[19:28] <Akuli> i think ubuntu 6.something is the oldest you can download
[19:28] <DarkPsydeLord> really ?
[19:29] <DarkPsydeLord> i started using linux with fedora
[19:29] <DarkPsydeLord> which i hated i had to tweak a loooot of things
[19:29] <sslove> i remember back in 2004, being a mac user and some kid came to my apt and we talked briefly about what he uses, like mac or windows and he was like, neither, i was like, NEITHER?  what do  u use then? he said, ubuntu, linux, i was like, oh, i had heard of linux, but thought it was like super impossible for a dope like me to install, and he showed me the startup and i was like, wow, the shit looks totally legit, lol
[19:30] <DarkPsydeLord> but somehow it was rewarding
[19:30] <sslove> are there many mexican linux users?
[19:30] <sslove> not at all common right?
[19:30] <DarkPsydeLord> well mostly code freaks
[19:30] <DarkPsydeLord> not common use
[19:31] <DarkPsydeLord> when i installed buntu for the first time was instant love :)
[19:31] <DarkPsydeLord> i felt like i was wasting my time tweaking fedora
[19:31] <DarkPsydeLord> thats how all started
[19:31] <sslove> when i lived in valladolid, i met an old american guy dying of cancer there that spoke perfect mayan, i wanted to translate ubuntu to mayan with him, but then i had to leave and never got around to it. would be cool to have a mayan localization
[19:32] <sslove> he was retired, had time and liked to just drink beer everyday
[19:32] <TwoNotes> Is Mayan written with Latin alphabet?
[19:32] <DarkPsydeLord> no idea
[19:32] <DarkPsydeLord> and im mexican
[19:32] <TwoNotes> It would be sort of inconvenient in hieroglyphs...
[19:32] <sslove> lol, yes
[19:33] <DarkPsydeLord> now that i think of i dont even know if pure mayan still exists
[19:33] <TwoNotes> It isn't a dead language.  There must be some modern transcription scheme
[19:33] <DarkPsydeLord> brb
[19:33] <sslove> i'm not sure if they had their own, i imagine so, but of course they use  latin alphabet nowadays
[19:33] <TwoNotes> The early Spanish priests must have come up with something.  The Jesuits were good at that sort of thing
[19:34] <sslove> no, totally not dead, to my surprise too, it is widely spoken in mayan country (southern mexico and guatemala)
[19:35] <sslove> sorry let me repost this, hey maybe u guys have an opinion on what is a good lightweight travel computer with good battery life that runs linux (ubuntu for me) well.
[19:37] <TwoNotes> My old Toshiba netbook was pretty good until the trackpad interface went wonky
[19:37] <ouroumov> sslove, I think system76 have a 14" model
[19:37] <eirik_> Hi, I just switch to compiz, but now some windows launch outside of what's shown on the screen. The desktop icons are also outside the screen borders. In the bottom right where I can switch between workspaces, I can see the outline of the out-of-sight windows, but there's no way that I know of to move them down. Anyone know what I can do? I'm rocking dual-screen with one horiztontal and one vertical
[19:38] <ouroumov> Use Compton?
[19:39] <sslove> u must have infinite desktop or whatever it's called
[19:39] <eirik_> How can I make it finite then? :p
[19:39] <sslove> apt install compizconfig-settings-manager and look at the desktop options
[19:40] <eirik_> Allright, I'll have a look!
[19:40] <eirik_> Thans
[19:40] <eirik_> Thanks*
[19:40] <sslove> in the meantime if u can switch back to compton and install ccsm then fuck around with the settings there
[19:41] <sslove> ouroumov, hmm, i would love a system 76 but i wanna look for something that is widely available, i am currently in malaysia
[19:41] <eirik_> Is that prefered? To not mess around with the settings while using the window manager I'm configuring?
[19:41] <sslove> and i think 13" or so
[19:42] <sslove> eirik_, well, if ur having that problem, i would switch back and then get it sorted. if ur still able to use ur de just fine, no problem, install ccsm and change the expanded desktop size
[19:43] <sslove> i'm not even sure that's what it is, but it could be
[19:44] <eirik_> sslove, okay, thanks
[19:44] <sslove> yea u should be using compiz while u are using ccsm, but maybe u don't have to, is it better off not, i dont know
[19:44] <eirik_> ill have a look
[19:45] <ouroumov> sslove, I think Noah for the Linux Action Show have reviewed a 13" Lenovo not too long ago
[19:46] <sslove> having touchscreen would be nice, i also like to sometimes use remix os, very nice
[19:47] <sslove> eirik_, stupid q but u had a look at ur displays settings?
[19:48] <eirik_> sslove, yeah, but there's nothing that seems relevant there. just screen orientation, refresh rate, resolution
[19:48] <Akuli> eirik_, i usually switch to macro on mate tweak, then start compiz from the terminal with compiz --replace, tweak its settings and then switch it back in mate tweak
[19:49] <Akuli> i mean marco, or whatever the default window manager in mate is called
[19:50] <eirik_> Akuli, ah, okay. I think i'll try that, too. And yes, it's called macro ;)
[19:56] <sslove> eirik_, what computer are u using?
[19:56] <sslove> strange to have all these problems
[19:57] <eirik_> sslove, self built desktop, why? or do you want the specs?
[19:59] <sslove> no just curious, i've done probably hundreds of linux install on dozens of different hardware, and usually  without much problems
[20:01] <eirik_> yeah. i have a laptop which has been my "testing machine" where I just install a version of linux to try it out and don't care if i break something. then i installed the one i liked best on my desktop. but it's weird, i've had a lot more problems on my desktop than on the laptop. don't know if it has to do with drivers for my hardware or what
[20:02] <sslove> did it work ok in live mode?
[20:02] <sslove> what else have you tried?
[20:04] <sslove> i'll tell you what, there were some computers that i tried literally dozens of different distros on and nothing worked except pclinuxos, the hardware detection on pclos is amazing, and it's FAST and rolling release, although the packages are not always the latest, despite that it's a rolling release. excellent community and support, second to none, EXTREMELY helpful community, with no attitudes or rtfm bullshit
[20:05] <sslove> u can try that. PCLOS is like ubuntu for rpm, and soon, everyone will have snaps, so soon there will be less advantage to running ubuntu, which for me anyway is the most support for softwares
[20:07] <sslove> but i do love unity, so i will be sticking with ubuntu unless unity 8 sucks, which i expect it will for a few releases, til it reaches feature parity with unity 7
[20:07] <eirik__> hi, sorry, i tried compiz --replace but i think it crashed or something. had to restart my computer. did you say anything after my last message?
[20:07] <sslove> eirik_, did u get my message about PCLOS?
[20:07] <eirik__> sslove, no
[20:08] <eirik__> the last message i got was the one you sent 22:02:36
[20:08] <eirik__> you asked: "did it work ok in live mode?"
[20:11] <eirik__> to which i assume you mean live usb stick? and the answer is, stock ubuntu, i.e with unity and all that, didn't work. when i booted it up i just got a black background, frozen ui and no way to interact (the mouse didnt show up and the keyboard didnt respond to any shortcuts,etc). however, linux mint, which i had previously installed, worked without many problems, and official flavors of ubuntu, like mate, gnome, lubuntu, etc., also worked without the
[20:11] <eirik__> problem i had with unity ubuntu (black bg, all that).
[20:14] <sslove> hmmm, i see
[20:14] <sslove> not good
[20:14] <sslove> i will repost what i wrote u
[20:14] <sslove> what else have you tried?
[20:14] <eirik__> hehe, no, can't say it is ;p
[20:14] <sslove> i'll tell you what, there were some computers that i tried literally dozens of different distros on and nothing worked except pclinuxos, the hardware detection on pclos is amazing, and it's FAST and rolling release, although the packages are not always the latest, despite that it's a rolling release. excellent community and support, second to none, EXTREMELY helpful community, with no attitudes or rtfm bullshit
[20:14] <eirik__> hmm, lemme think a little
[20:14] <sslove> u can try that. PCLOS is like ubuntu for rpm, and soon, everyone will have snaps, so soon there will be less advantage to running ubuntu, which for me anyway is the most support for softwares
[20:15] <sslove> but i do love unity, so i will be sticking with ubuntu unless unity 8 sucks, which i expect it will for a few releases, til it reaches feature parity with unity 7
[20:15] <sslove> anyway, unless ubuntu is super critical for u, try pclos.
[20:15] <sslove> sounds like u just want something that works
[20:16] <DarkPsydeLord> !back
[20:17] <sslove> obviously i like and use ubuntu(s) but i have liked pclos SOOO much, that i have donated to the project, and got unlimited storage space on their servers, which i never even used, lol
[20:17] <sslove> hey DarkPsydeLord
[20:17] <DarkPsydeLord> howdy do to you mr sslove
[20:18] <sslove> eirik__, i mean have u tried other distros? how important to u is it that stick with ubuntu?
[20:18] <eirik__> sslove, cool, thanks! ill check it out. i would prefer a debian based distro since it's the most used and thus the one with most software and tutorials and stuff (and the one i've mainly looked into, so it may be a little biased. i dont really know a lot about the other distros).
[20:18] <DarkPsydeLord> well for me buntus are important i use most derivatives and ended loving buntu mate
[20:18] <DarkPsydeLord> just cause it looks like old buntus
[20:18] <DarkPsydeLord> so gnomy
[20:19] <DarkPsydeLord> but im so freaking inloved with the pacman
[20:19] <nomic> z.
[20:20] <DarkPsydeLord> so yes you guessed it i recommend and install most of the buntu flavors for family friends and offices and use on a regular basis Arch
[20:20] <sslove> yea, if u see the PCLOS website, u will see that altho it is a relatively small community as compared to debian/ubuntu, they are very very cool and dedicated and they put out their own cool magazine, there is nearly all the software u can get for ubuntu (rpm based packaging) and if u need something, u simply ask for it and someone will build and package it for u
[20:21] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, yes i agree, so does eirik__ but, the problem is, he's looking for something that works on his custom built pc and i told him i have never tried a distro with better hardware detection/support than pclinuxos
[20:22] <DarkPsydeLord> o i see so no diy his distro but out of the box
[20:22] <sslove> actually, from what i hear on linux action show, is that suse does a great job with hardware detection and support. and like i said, soon any distro u use will be more relevant with universal snaps
[20:22] <DarkPsydeLord> indeed
[20:23] <sslove> of course, there was a time when i would recommend mint, but nowadays, it's standard ubuntu. wireless drivers and codecs are no longer a problem (usually), and upgrade to new release is nice, mint u have to reinstall, pita
[20:24] <eirik__> sslove, pclos looks really great! i'll install it on a live usb and have a look.
[20:24] <sslove> so whatever distro u use should be more irrelevant
[20:24] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: not entirely true you can upgrade your mint now from the update center which i find handy
[20:24] <eirik__> is there a reason hardware detection should be harder on a custom built pc than on a laptop? d
[20:25] <sslove> yes
[20:25] <sslove> i can't explain why but that's been my experience
[20:25] <DarkPsydeLord> eirik__: yes it is, most laptop HW is the same since they build a limited amount and just play with the proc and ram
[20:26] <sslove> what pclos has going for it. stable rolling release(although some software is older regardless), excellent community and support, superb hardware detection, it is(still) one of the biggest non debian based distros
[20:26] <DarkPsydeLord> for desktop theres limitless hw from different brands
[20:26] <DarkPsydeLord> and architectures
[20:26] <eirik__> DarkPsydeLord, yeah, makes sense.
[20:27] <sslove> so i recommend try suse leap and shit like that, but try pclos first. there are different iso's for different DE's but they're primarily a KDE distro. but i am 99.999% sure there is a MATE version if u like MATE
[20:28] <sslove> oi cara
[20:28] <DarkPsydeLord> never tried pclos myself i will later but i asure suse is rock solid
[20:28] <DarkPsydeLord> and non debian based as stated
[20:29] <eirik__> however, i haven't had any problems (i dont think at least) wiht hw detection. when i installed ubuntu mate it installed the correct graphics driver for my gpu (nvidia geforce 660ti) and i generally had very few problems with the graphics. it's just that when i switch wm or want to try some customization that something more often than not break.
[20:29] <sslove> btw, pclos magazine is awesome, most of it is not related to their distro
[20:29] <DarkPsydeLord> btw i absolutely love kde plasma
[20:30] <sslove> eirik__, but didn't u have some earlier issues as well? sorry i wasn't really following it, but i thought u were on here earlier with a different problem
[20:30] <sslove> do u really?
[20:30] <DarkPsydeLord> but somehow i always end up using openbox hahahah XD
[20:30] <sslove> i like it all, this free software shit
[20:30] <sslove> openbox eh??
[20:30] <sslove> lol
[20:30] <sslove> just straight openbox?
[20:31] <sslove> check it out y'all http://pclosmag.com/index.html
[20:31] <DarkPsydeLord> well im a heavy cli user
[20:31] <sslove> they have their own site for their mag
[20:31] <DarkPsydeLord> so any box works well for me
[20:31] <sslove> u programmer dark?
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> It engineer :)
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> so kind of an obsesed with tech programmer
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> missed an s
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> lol
[20:33] <sslove> sorry to be going on and on about pclos now, but it's all family here, even though their site has been the same for years, it is still slick. u can move shit around like on a desktop http://www.pclinuxos.com
[20:34] <eirik__> sslove, yes, you are correct. earlier i was on here with the mouse not disappearing when playing fullscreen videos on youtube, but that was more a google chrome problem, and was not a problem in chromium which i am now using. then, later i can back on because i wanted to try compiz, but has an issue with windows spawning outside of the visible area and that desktop icons also was outside the visible area. then i messed around in ccsm, but havent
[20:34] <eirik__> switch back to compiz yet so i dont know yet if the problem's fixed
[20:34] <sslove> and collapse the windows
[20:35] <DarkPsydeLord> so taking the mayan thing again... theres several communities in mexico that need their own distro i will like to help to do that
[20:35] <sslove> oh yea i remember i had their mate desktop installed a couple years ago, they release a nice MATE edition http://www.pclinuxos.com/get-pclinuxos/mate/
[20:35] <eirik__> woah, cool thing about the pclos page. didnt realize you could move the boxes around
[20:36] <sslove> yea, there are mayans that don't even speak spanish
[20:36] <sslove> eirik__, yea they're proper geeks with good taste. check out the magazine, good reads for any linux nerds
[20:37] <DarkPsydeLord> is full monty DE any good?
[20:37] <eirik__> sslove, will do! :D
[20:37] <sslove> wow their MATE is on kernel 4.6.3 already, holy shit
[20:39] <sslove> full monty is maybe what eirik__  ought to try, it's got the most drivers preinstalled
[20:39] <sslove> and the DE well, it's KDE but customized
[20:40] <eirik__> "KDE FullMonty = regular PCLinuxOS KDE installation + special desktop layout + many applications & drivers preinstalled." that sounds like just what i need!
[20:40] <sslove> but the sys requirements are pretty modern
[20:41] <sslove> eirik__, ur desktop is pretty modern/capable?
[20:41] <eirik__> yeah, i have no problems running the os
[20:41] <DarkPsydeLord> community isos web page is broken :(
[20:41] <sslove> yea let us know how it works, ur chatting with us via ur desktop now huh?
[20:42] <eirik__> yup, thats right
[20:42] <sslove> so with marco gpu compositing, everything works fine? compiz is notoriously finicky
[20:42] <sslove> community releases is like e17 spins and stuff like that
[20:43] <eirik__> yeah, macro works wonderfully, and i don't really have much reason to switch to compiz other than that im curious and wanted to see what it was
[20:43] <sslove> strange that it's broken, maybe the server is down
[20:44] <eirik__> but if compiz is notorious for being difficult, i might just drop the whole compiz thing and stick with what works; macro
[20:44] <sslove> oh, still strange that U MATE works and other buntus don't
[20:45] <sslove> yea, compiz has cool stuff like, spread all windows (they call it scale) but i think compton does it too, i remember seeing it on xubuntu or some  linux blog like webupd8.org
[20:45] <eirik__> well, as i've said earlier, it's just stock ubuntu (that is, ubnutu with unity, compiz, etc.. the one from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop), but all other flavors that i've tried (mate, gnome, lubuntu) and linux mint have worked without any problems
[20:45] <DarkPsydeLord> i always tought compiz was ment for kde and not gnome
[20:46] <sslove> oh oh! i misuderstood u then
[20:46] <eirik__> sslove, no problem! im just really grateful that you're giving me advice, etc
[20:46] <sslove> i do't think compiz works for KDE at all, but KDE has copied or implemented a lot of the neato compiz tricks/effects
[20:46] <eirik__> DarkPsydeLord, in ccsm there is a gnome compatibilty plugin
[20:47] <sslove> so u guess ur desktop has a problem with compiz because that's what ubuntu uses
[20:47] <eirik__> really a compatibility plugin for kde, gnome, and mate
[20:47] <eirik__> yup!
[20:47] <eirik__> i think it's compiz and/or unity that causes problems with my desktop
[20:48] <DarkPsydeLord> what will compiz do for my fluxbox wm XD
[20:48] <eirik__> it'd be interesting to try an earlier version of vanilla ubuntu (e.g 14.04) and see if that has the same problem.
[20:48] <sslove> it's compiz i reckon
[20:48] <sslove> hmm, yea
[20:48] <DarkPsydeLord> do you have any error so we can check on the log?
[20:49] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe i will be able to help you tune the thing
[20:49] <eirik__> the thing is, when i first built my computer i didnt have a windows license for a bit so i tried ubuntu (i think it was 12.04) and as far as i remember, there were no problems with that. so maybe it's 16.04 that causes the problem
[20:49] <sslove> there are problems with graphics and 16.04 in general because of dropped support for proprietary graphics drivers
[20:49] <eirik__> DarkPsydeLord, which logs are you thinking of? compiz logs?
[20:50] <DarkPsydeLord> yup
[20:50] <eirik__> sslove, ah, so that could be it. i will try 14.04 and pclos tomorrow and report back here
[20:50] <sslove> cool, u could always partition and play with both
[20:51] <DarkPsydeLord> try reactOS hahahaha
[20:51] <DarkPsydeLord> im just kidding XD
[20:51] <DarkPsydeLord> i will try by myself later im just curious
[20:51] <sslove> while searching for something we're talking about, the windows spread with compton compositor, i just discovered a new OS
[20:51] <sslove> newt os, looks pretty slick
[20:52] <sslove> LOL, fucking  world of free software
[20:52] <eirik__> i could share them, but i dont have any logs from vanilla ubuntu since i cant boot it up and retrieve the logs. however, i can share the compiz logs from my mate install im currently using if you want
[20:52] <sslove> http://newtoslinux.weebly.com/news/new-update-to-newt-os-lxde-2624
[20:52] <eirik__> sslove, yeah, im currently dual booting with windows because of games. but i could always partition one of my other hard drives and install different distros on there
[20:53] <sslove> openbox based but looks amazing
[20:53] <DarkPsydeLord> games? whats that?
[20:53] <DarkPsydeLord> no im kidding just steam em
[20:53] <DarkPsydeLord> its what i do
[20:53] <sslove> LOL
[20:54] <DarkPsydeLord> read about reactOS sslove im so freaking curious about it
[20:54] <sslove> skippy-xd is the compiz like effects for compton
[20:55] <eirik__> DarkPsydeLord, i know there's steam for linux, but not all my games are supported for linux, and sometimes it's alright to have windows for those applications that's only supported by windows (even though it's not usually needed since theres usually an alternative for linux)
[20:55] <sslove> from newt os site "These next changes are some of the most exciting.  As you may know, Newt OS LXDE uses Openbox as its window manager.  Openbox is lightweight and works very well with the LXDE desktop, but it has several limitations, including the lack of compositing and window spreading.  To fill in these gaps in functionality, this release includes Compton and Skippy-XD.  Compton is a standalone, lightweight window compositor.
[20:55] <sslove> If you have used Newt OS, or any system with openbox as a window manager, you will notice a significant improvement in effects.  Menus look better, and minimizing/closing windows is much smoother.  The other program, Skippy-XD, is a basic window-spreading application.  At this point, there is no keyboard shortcut or menu item to launch it, that will come in a later release.  To launch it, run the command skippy-xd in the terminal.
[20:55] <sslove> You will get a basic window spread like the picture below.
[20:55] <sslove> "
[20:55] <sslove> react os is the free windows clone right?
[20:56] <DarkPsydeLord> yes it is
[20:56] <sslove> yea, development on it is very very slow
[20:56] <sslove> but yea, interesting
[20:57] <sslove> free windows is cool idea
[20:57] <sslove> i think they recently had an update after like 8 years or some shit like that
[20:57] <DarkPsydeLord> eirik__ i understad yes its handy but when in need i just use a vm and always forget about the real thing
[20:58] <DarkPsydeLord> well development now its community oriented
[20:58] <DarkPsydeLord> so project is working now
[20:58] <DarkPsydeLord> and the alpha releases are more frequent
[20:59] <eirik__> DarkPsydeLord, mhm, i've considered it. but you dont get the same preformace in vm as running natively, do you?
[20:59] <DarkPsydeLord> well for me its close to it since my desktop have 64 gb so i spare a lot of ram to the vm and thst pretty much it
[21:00] <DarkPsydeLord> and my laptop is 16 gb ram so works well with low profile windows
[21:00] <eirik__> woah! haha!
[21:01] <sslove> damn
[21:01] <eirik__> what about cpu and gpu preformance? is that on par as natively? my intuition's saying that at least the cpu would have to do a lot more work since its running the host os and the guest os
[21:01] <DarkPsydeLord> not enough memory when compiling... or rendering :(
[21:01] <eirik__> :'8
[21:01] <eirik__> :'(
[21:02] <DarkPsydeLord> o well my host OS uses nearly 300 mb ram
[21:02] <DarkPsydeLord> so i can share
[21:03] <eirik__> 300 mb isnt much, though. at least not with 64 gb!
[21:03] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: im liking newtOS i will give compton and skippy a try on a vm using my arch build
[21:04] <eirik__> btw, have you ever tried/considered trying gpu pass-through?
[21:05] <eirik__> vfio
[21:06] <sslove> looks nice doesn't it
[21:06] <DarkPsydeLord> well i allready pass some of the real resources on the host
[21:06] <DarkPsydeLord> and theres plenty of documentation on the arch wiki
[21:07] <DarkPsydeLord> to pass
[21:07] <sslove> weird, skippy-xd isn't in the repos
[21:07] <DarkPsydeLord> apt-cache search skippy?
[21:07] <DarkPsydeLord> hahaha
[21:07] <sslove> here in U MATE
[21:07] <sslove> i'll try
[21:08] <DarkPsydeLord> no skippy
[21:08] <DarkPsydeLord> lemme try pacman -Ss skippy
[21:10] <sslove> fuck, where did i see an xfce with all the compiz like effects but not compiz? i could swear it was compton
[21:10] <DarkPsydeLord> not in pac man but in AUR
[21:11] <DarkPsydeLord> you wont actually believe this but
[21:11] <DarkPsydeLord> i just dont get xfce
[21:11] <sslove> lol
[21:11] <DarkPsydeLord> LOL so freaking akward
[21:13] <sslove> but u know what i do to EVERY ubuntu install? sudo apt purge osd-notify ; apt install xfce4-notifyd ; xfce4-notifyd-config
[21:13] <sslove> their notifications is heaps better than the ubuntu notify osd
[21:14] <sslove> i hate those notifications, they look nice but not interactive, cannot kill
[21:14] <DarkPsydeLord> every buntu? mate included?
[21:14] <sslove> xfce notifications are good, so are the old GNOME 2/MATE ones
[21:14] <sslove> no i mean ubuntu ubuntu... unity
[21:17] <DarkPsydeLord> oh!, its been a while since i left ubuntu
[21:17] <DarkPsydeLord> the original
[21:17] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont even recall the notifications
[21:18] <DarkPsydeLord> huehuehue
[21:18] <sslove> haha
[21:18] <sslove> man i really like unity now, whenever i am using a huge app with lots of menu entries, the HUD is fucking insanely nice to use
[21:19] <DarkPsydeLord> but unity is not ram effective
[21:19] <sslove> like if i am in an office app and i tap alt and then type 'box'
[21:20] <DarkPsydeLord> as i said earlier when idle my computer uses 100mb ram and nearly 300 mb when working
[21:20] <sslove> it's not super light on ram, no, but, i run it on my netbook and at times have half a dozen apps open and running and it still works, and that is an old netbook, ur machines got PLENTY of ram
[21:20] <DarkPsydeLord> ofc when not rendering or compiling code
[21:20] <sslove> openbox?
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> well heavily modified
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> yes
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> fluxbox use less ram
[21:22] <sslove> i have never used anything that uses less resources or is as slick or configurable as enlightenment, yet very few ppl use it or promote it. it is amazing. the only distros that use it are bodhi (ubuntu) and the now defunct afaik elive (i believe it is debian)
[21:22] <DarkPsydeLord> enlightment uses more ram than my custom build and yes i like bodhi
[21:23] <sslove> anyway, i've had it running under 60mb of ram and still looks great and the 'run everything' menu/launcher is amazing
[21:23] <DarkPsydeLord> what? 60? o well its been a while since i try it
[21:24] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe now they find the right formula
[21:25] <DarkPsydeLord> apt-cache search compton XD
[21:25] <sslove> well, this was e17
[21:25] <DarkPsydeLord> it exist here in mate
[21:25] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[21:26] <sslove> e19 the current one is heavier, but jeff hoogland forked e17 and now is called moksha
[21:26] <sslove> lol
[21:26] <DarkPsydeLord> in arch the beta release some number is on the repositories XD
[21:26] <sslove> but under 100mb with an e17 install from ubuntu and log into enlightenment session
[21:27] <sslove> with htop running it is under 100mb
[21:28] <sslove> when did u last try enlightenment?
[21:28] <DarkPsydeLord> about a year
[21:29] <DarkPsydeLord> nice e17 available
[21:29] <DarkPsydeLord> will try it
[21:29] <sslove> it used to look like shit, too much bling, but their new default theme is very much to my liking, the neutral grey
[21:30] <DarkPsydeLord> o minty
[21:30] <sslove> yea e17 is a tweaker's dream
[21:30] <DarkPsydeLord> grey and green
[21:30] <sslove> green? what's grey and green?
[21:31] <DarkPsydeLord> bohdi menus?
[21:31] <sslove> really? by default?
[21:32] <DarkPsydeLord> no idea it seem like it n the screenshots in the bohdi webpage
[21:33] <DarkPsydeLord> what about jwm?
[21:33] <DarkPsydeLord> it still exists?
[21:33] <DarkPsydeLord> it used to use about 5 mb to run
[21:33] <sslove> oh, the new them, that is bodhi's defaut new them, i am talking about if u do an apt install e17 u will get the default grey theme which i think is very tasteful and easy on the eyes
[21:34] <sslove> haha, maybe but it won't look nice like e
[21:34] <sslove> yea i am sure puppies use jwm
[21:35] <DarkPsydeLord> no puppy now is community
[21:35] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe sparky
[21:35] <DarkPsydeLord> puppy uses uhmm
[21:35] <sslove> puppy linux have so many puplets, oh yea, macpup uses e too
[21:35] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont know
[21:35] <DarkPsydeLord> quirky
[21:36] <DarkPsydeLord> uses jwm
[21:36] <DarkPsydeLord> i think
[21:36] <sslove> but there was um, lighthouse pup that had like, several different wms
[21:36] <DarkPsydeLord> https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png
[21:36] <sslove> i think that is standard for puppy, is to select different wms
[21:36] <DarkPsydeLord> memory used by different wm
[21:37] <sslove> the best puppy i have ever used was called fluppy
[21:37] <sslove> that one was amazing
[21:38] <sslove> wow cool chart
[21:38] <sslove> holy fucking shit! according to that chart, MATE uses less ram than xfce??
[21:39] <DarkPsydeLord> yes sir
[21:39] <sslove> i thought xfce was created back in the GNOME 2 days to be a more lightweight alternative?
[21:39] <sslove> boy did they steer their ship way off course
[21:39] <DarkPsydeLord> well still low for modern computers
[21:39] <sslove> anyway, don't wanna be a hater, there are nice things to xfce
[21:40] <DarkPsydeLord> this is just the wm
[21:40] <DarkPsydeLord> theres a lot more of sw running background
[21:40] <sslove> tiny wm .2mb????
[21:40] <sslove> LOL, OMFG
[21:40] <sslove> ah ok
[21:40] <DarkPsydeLord> i wanna try that didnt know about tiny :)
[21:41] <DarkPsydeLord> isnt tiny the one used for amigas?
[21:41] <sslove> i wish canonical ubuntu project would do a project butter for unity, to get it working much much leaner, i think, i hope that's what unity 8 will bring
[21:43] <sslove> i don't really believe that chart, they have lxde and e17 virtually tied and i can say from a lot of real world use of both of those, that e is much much lighter
[21:44] <DarkPsydeLord> as i said this is just the wm
[21:44] <sslove> i've done many bodhi installs for friends on their old as fuck slow as shit computers, and bodhi and e17 breathed new life into them. and i have done lxle installs too and it definitely uses a lot more ram
[21:44] <sslove> well, lxdee isn't a wm, lxde uses openbox
[21:44] <DarkPsydeLord> remember the sw running in the background
[21:44] <sslove> as wm
[21:45] <DarkPsydeLord> so the best test is having lfs
[21:45] <DarkPsydeLord> then install a wm
[21:45] <DarkPsydeLord> or desktop
[21:45] <DarkPsydeLord> if i might say
[21:46] <DarkPsydeLord> then everything will be measurable
[21:46] <sslove> lfs?
[21:46] <DarkPsydeLord> linux from scratch
[21:46] <DarkPsydeLord> building your de on top of lfs will work
[21:46] <sslove> u have to build it urself right?
[21:46] <sslove> that's too much
[21:46] <sslove> LOL
[21:46] <sslove> for me
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> hahahaha no never tried
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> im always busy
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> as far as i can get is arch
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> never tried slack
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> and lfs is waaay to much
[21:47] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe on vacation will try
[21:48] <sslove> anyway, to do a simple install of something ubuntu based and lightest possible, i haven't seen anything that comes close to bodhi. that is one great distro. and the way that they do the one click install of bundles of software, and their 'app center'
[21:49] <sslove> hey by the way, the pclos community site works fine for me
[21:50] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe i will look it later but i think my perfect distro right now besides the one i created from Arch
[21:50] <DarkPsydeLord> is ubuntu mate i really like the feel of the old buntu
[21:50] <sslove> hahaha, yea, i really like it too
[21:51] <DarkPsydeLord> o those days were wwe was wwf
[21:51] <sslove> it's why i am here after all
[21:51] <sslove> hahaha
[21:51] <sslove> ur old school
[21:51] <DarkPsydeLord> shhhh dont tell anyone
[21:51] <sslove> i had an arch install but it fucked up all on its own so easily and i didn't know what to do
[21:51] <sslove> fuck  it
[21:52] <sslove> not vanilla arch
[21:52] <sslove> it was um
[21:52] <DarkPsydeLord> manjaro?
[21:52] <DarkPsydeLord> antergos?
[21:52] <sslove> manjaro
[21:53] <DarkPsydeLord> o well somehow i didnt like manjaro hahaha and ended up with the real thing
[21:53] <DarkPsydeLord> and building my desktop
[21:53] <sslove> i don't know i couldn't install sw anymore, couldn't update, couldn't launch some apps but others opened just fine (altho most did not)
[21:53] <sslove> i could boot into the desktop
[21:53] <sslove> oh it was the e17 version
[21:54] <sslove> actually it was in this partition which i now have this U MATE
[21:54] <DarkPsydeLord> ooooo yes that happened to me once it was a terrible virus called windows
[21:54] <DarkPsydeLord> LOL
[21:54] <sslove> i've never done that, not sure i want to, maybe someday
[21:55] <sslove> i am curious if it would really make a difference in speed and shit like that, but i am happy to use a prebuilt ubuntu
[21:55] <sslove> hahaa
[21:55] <sslove> yea i am happy to rid ppl of their windows installs
[21:56] <DarkPsydeLord> well any arch user will tell you they love their arch builds
[21:56] <DarkPsydeLord> and its way better
[21:56] <DarkPsydeLord> than any other distro
[21:56] <DarkPsydeLord> but being honest i will tel you as much as i love arch my heart belong to ready out of the box distros
[21:56] <DarkPsydeLord> takes forever to tweak the whole thing
[21:57] <DarkPsydeLord> in a diy distro
[21:57] <sslove> but i feel like it's important to see what windows does well, and what to borrow/implement in free sw, i gotta say i have never really used windows, i had it installed in the netbook i am using now, but removed it, and i deliberately did a win 7 install on this thing, years ago, but didn't really use it, just checked it out, but i think win 8 that everyone shits on, is pretty nice
[21:57] <sslove> i think they did a nice job on the UI
[21:58] <DarkPsydeLord> but ofc you learn a lot about linux and how it works and you are completely sure you are not wasting reosurces because theres nothing running in the background you are not aware of
[21:58] <DarkPsydeLord> its because you like modern ui
[21:58] <sslove> i think U MATE out of the box is pretty fucking sweet, and the welcome center, wow
[21:58] <sslove> fucking awesome
[21:59] <DarkPsydeLord> +1
[21:59] <sslove> i wouldn't mind to see something like that done up in a free DE
[21:59] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont like gnome 3 or unity at all becaue all the modern ui
[21:59] <DarkPsydeLord> im old skool XD
[21:59] <DarkPsydeLord> and we had a distro like that
[22:00] <DarkPsydeLord> uhm just lemme remember the name
[22:00] <sslove> yea the live tiles and shit, it's cool. i mean, i like widgets on android, so it's hypocritical if i poo poo win 8 for that
[22:01] <sslove> i never use it because i try to stick to free sw as much as possible, although i can never see myself as hardcore as a trisquel user u know
[22:01] <sslove> i don't understand how u can not like the hud and the keyboard shortcuts tho
[22:02] <sslove> anyone who has used the unity HUD and doesn't like it, i don't believe them
[22:02] <DarkPsydeLord> well
[22:02] <DarkPsydeLord> to be honest
[22:03] <DarkPsydeLord> i never actually use it
[22:03] <DarkPsydeLord> when unity showed up i gave up the first 24 hours of the fresh install and flee
[22:03] <DarkPsydeLord> so i think i went suse
[22:04] <DarkPsydeLord> or something
[22:04] <DarkPsydeLord> some other distro
[22:04] <DarkPsydeLord> until mint showed up
[22:04] <DarkPsydeLord> then it became my passion
[22:05] <DarkPsydeLord> now u mate is my main lap distro
[22:05] <DarkPsydeLord> taking the place of mint
[22:08] <DarkPsydeLord> i think i will give ubuntu another chance in a vm in the near future
[22:10] <sslove> hmmm, i highly recommend u give it a try
[22:11] <sslove> i think i should do a fucking video on why i like unity and why it's great for power users
[22:11] <DarkPsydeLord> well most power users doesnt really need a gui
[22:11] <DarkPsydeLord> as i said earlier
[22:11] <sslove> seriously bro, it's like saying u don't like bananas but uv never tried em
[22:11] <sslove> um, but u still use apps right?
[22:11] <sslove> some of them with a lot of menus right?
[22:12] <sslove> hud is like google search for application menus
[22:12] <DarkPsydeLord> depending on the activity yes
[22:12] <DarkPsydeLord> but most of the time the magic happen using gcc
[22:12] <sslove> hahaha
[22:12] <DarkPsydeLord> so i complie large lines of code in cli
[22:12] <sslove> ur a funny mufucka yo
[22:13] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[22:13] <DarkPsydeLord> anyway that why openbox or i3 is handy
[22:14] <DarkPsydeLord> i cant even thing having all the shitload of options i will never use
[22:14] <DarkPsydeLord> hahahaha
[22:14] <sslove> just recommending u check it out and what are the unique features. GNOME 3 i generally agree with you, i have a lot i could criticize about that pject, but not all what they do is bad, just overall
[22:14] <DarkPsydeLord> but i promise i will give it a try
[22:16] <DarkPsydeLord> sometimes i forget agout gui and browse internet from cli
[22:16] <DarkPsydeLord> download torrents
[22:16] <DarkPsydeLord> check my email
[22:16] <DarkPsydeLord> i dunno im just used to it
[22:16] <DarkPsydeLord> like using my irc cli client XD
[22:19] <sslove> here's the list of what i think is good on the unity de, HUD, global menus that are now more configurable than ever, u can locally integrate them into an umaximized window's title bar, so it autohides to reveal window title, or u can leave it to always show. the launcher app shortcuts/speed dial for apps (up to 10), the alt tab and cycle thru current app's windows, the system menu, the other shortcuts (of course u can still edit
[22:19] <sslove> and change ur own keyboard shortcuts, but they have good out of the box shortcuts), the press and hold super key cheat sheet
[22:19] <sslove> and more, but those are really the most useful. and then it just feels very polished
[22:21] <sslove> jajaja, well if u browse internet from terminal, lol, then maybe u can live just in the terminal
[22:21] <DarkPsydeLord> usually i do
[22:21] <sslove> but navigating between apps is so fast with unity if ur a keyboard shortcuts jockey like i am
[22:22] <sslove> yo here's the community isos for pclos http://pclosusers.com/communityiso/
[22:22] <sslove> they got 2 trinities! holy shit
[22:22] <sslove> wtf?
[22:23] <DarkPsydeLord> 3
[22:23] <DarkPsydeLord> you should try to see the world using terminal its so freaking productive
[22:24] <DarkPsydeLord> lynx www.google.com
[22:24] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:24] <DarkPsydeLord> well ofc you need lynx first
[22:24] <sslove> oh they have 3 trinity, a brasil build a polish i guess and an italian!
[22:24] <sslove> damn! trinity??
[22:24] <sslove> u remember that dontcha dark?
[22:25] <sslove> hmm, but i like tabs and my opera navigation shortcuts, i can't get that with lynx  i'm sure
[22:25] <DarkPsydeLord> well they forked kde while ago
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> if i recalled that well
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:26] <sslove> crazy, trinity is huge on pclos
[22:26] <sslove> http://www.pclinuxos.com/trinity-desktop-on-pclinuxos/
[22:26] <sslove> Do you long for the days when your desktop was simple and easy to navigate while being light on resources? If yes then check out the Trinity (formerly KDE 3) Desktop on PCLinuxOS
[22:27] <sslove> it's the U MATE of the rpm/kde world
[22:27] <sslove> haha
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> its awesome XD
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> i just wanna install trinity with my mate desktop XD
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> so i have to ancient de
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> gnome 2 and kde 3
[22:28] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[22:28] <sslove> lol
[22:28] <sslove> pretty amazing
[22:28] <sslove> i love it all man
[22:28] <sslove> is trinity in the ubuntu/debian repos?
[22:29] <DarkPsydeLord> just tried apt-cache search but not sure its called trinity
[22:29] <DarkPsydeLord> or not in the repos
[22:29] <sslove> they have a baby MATE at under 500mb!
[22:29] <sslove> hahaa
[22:30] <DarkPsydeLord> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions
[22:31] <sslove> is there a ppa?
[22:31] <sslove> i wonder if there is a prebuilt ubuntu based trinity. is that what trisquel is?
[22:32] <DarkPsydeLord> you add the link to your sources list
[22:32] <DarkPsydeLord> no idea
[22:32] <DarkPsydeLord> lets find out
[22:32] <sslove> it's a deb
[22:32] <mate|46341> Hi, I'm newbie on Ubuntu. Can anyone help me?
[22:32] <sslove> maybe
[22:32] <DarkPsydeLord> hi and welcome
[22:32] <sslove> anyone, are u here mate?
[22:33] <mate|46341> Thanks DarkPsydeLord. sslove Yes.
[22:33] <sslove> i see AndrewMC atlantic  and az, but anyone is out now
[22:33] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe we can help
[22:33] <sslove> but maybe we can help
[22:34] <sslove> hey DarkPsydeLord u owe me a cervesa vato
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> a bira?
[22:34] <sslove> hahaa
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> why exactly?
[22:34] <mate|46341> I tried to install ubuntu mate using unetbootin but has a loop.
[22:34] <sslove> when 2 ppl say the same thing at the same time, u call it out first, like punchbuggy
[22:35] <sslove> u know punchbuggy right?
[22:35] <DarkPsydeLord> o lol didnt realize that
[22:35] <sslove> mate|46341, what's up homie?
[22:35] <DarkPsydeLord> we said the same thats true
[22:35] <DarkPsydeLord> where exactly?
[22:35] <sslove> so i called it, u owe me a fucking beer
[22:35] <sslove> cuz u said maybe we can help at the same time
[22:36] <sslove> even tho mine posted a fraction of an instant sooner
[22:36] <mate|46341> sslove unetbootin doesn't work for me when i try to install ubuntu mate... do you know another way?
[22:36] <sslove> ah yes
[22:36] <sslove> easy one
[22:36] <sslove> unetbootin fails a lot, i've noticed even moreso lately
[22:36] <DarkPsydeLord> iso :)
[22:37] <sslove> there are many alternatives, but i recently had the suse disk creator work for me, and there is also the ubuntu disk creator whatever they're called, deepin makes one too...
[22:37] <mate|46341> that's right.
[22:38] <sslove> ur using what os?
[22:38] <DarkPsydeLord> ok guys i have to flee see you in a few!
[22:38] <sslove> to create the usb?
[22:38] <sslove> windows or?
[22:38] <sslove> ok later carnalito
[22:38] <DarkPsydeLord> !away
[22:38] <mate|46341> ¿hablan español? jaja, sería mejor para mí.
[22:38] <DarkPsydeLord> o yes we both
[22:39] <DarkPsydeLord> but this is mainly english channel
[22:39] <sslove> si pero hay otro canal para espanol
[22:39] <DarkPsydeLord> pm me when im online again
[22:39] <DarkPsydeLord> brb
[22:40] <mate|46341> oh...anyway i write in English.
[22:40] <sslove> ok, what os?
[22:40] <mate|46341> ubuntu 16.04
[22:40] <sslove> to make the usb stick?
[22:40] <sslove> ur using ubuntu 16.04 right now?
[22:40] <sslove> and ur trying to make a bootable usb of?
[22:41] <mate|46341> Yes. I'm using...
[22:41] <mate|46341> ubuntu mate 16.04
[22:41] <sslove> ah U MATE, ur trying to make
[22:41] <mate|46341> exactly!
[22:42] <sslove> wait, ur currently using ubuntu mate 16.04 AND ur trying to make a bootable 16.04 live usb>
[22:42] <mate|46341> No, no. I'm using ubuntu 16.04. but i'm trying to make a bootable of ubuntu mate 16.04...
[22:43] <sslove> ok ok
[22:43] <sslove> so, have u tried to use the ubuntu usb disk creator?
[22:44] <sslove> it usually doesn't work as well as unetbootin, but since unetbootin isn't working, and usb disk creator or whatever it's called should already be installed...
[22:45] <mate|46341> No. I didn't know that program...
[22:45] <sslove> what is the failure exactly? fails to create or it finished but doesn't boot, or doesn't really work? i've had all of the above happen
[22:46] <sslove> if u type usb in dash, what do u see?
[22:46] <sslove> i'm using mate so ul have to tell me
[22:47] <mate|46341> I turn on my laptop and open the boot menu... then when i press the option usb hdd i see "unetbootin" default and a countdown endless.
[22:48] <sslove> ok, have u tried to create it more than once?
[22:48] <sslove> donde eres?
[22:49] <mate|46341> No. No lo he hecho.
[22:49] <mate|46341> De México.
[22:49] <sslove> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k09m8oP3KWk
[22:50] <sslove> jajaja, i figured since u understood carnalito
[22:50] <sslove> jejee
[22:50] <mate|46341> jaja, very common.
[22:51] <mate|46341> i'm seeing that video. thanks!
[22:52] <sslove> in ubuntu it's called startup disk creator
[22:53] <sslove> i might work, if not there is also multisystem from pendrivelinux and the SUSE one and deepin disk creator
[22:54] <sslove> startup disk creator automatically scans and shows the iso's in ur downloads folder which you can choose
[22:55] <sslove> if that doesn't work sometimes formatting with gparted or in the file manager and trying again will do it
[22:58] <mate|46341> I'm checking that...
[23:00] <mate|46341> but
[23:02] <mate|46341> if i decide to use startup disk creator, that remove the unetbootin boot?
[23:06] <sslove> yes, format the drive again
[23:06] <sslove> as fat32
[23:06] <sslove> it doesn't matter since the unetbootin one isn't working