=== al_ is now known as Guest19344 [02:31] hey guys === tempodivalse is now known as Emma_Dray [04:45] Hey guys, I'm having this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/804296/ubuntu-mate-is-getting-the-wrong-ip-address [04:51] NeueMann: Read through this - it might help: http://tecadmin.net/setup-network-interface-on-ubuntu-debian-and-linuxmint/# [05:00] YankDownUnder, that didn't help. After following the instructions ethernet didn't show at all in ifconfig. [05:00] NeueMann: Question - are you sure the drivers for this network card are actually installed and working? [05:02] that didn't help. After following the instructions ethernet didn't show at all in ifconfig. [05:02] NeueMann: As per the last question I asked - are the drivers installed for this network card? [05:03] Sorry, got disconnected using the network card. They were. How would I check that now? [05:03] NeueMann: Easy done - open a terminal - type: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall [05:04] NeueMann: That would automatically install any drivers that you might need on this system - however, that being said, it might not necessarily fix your issue. Have you checked your network card configs in the network manager - just to make sure or test? [05:04] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. [05:05] "2 not upgraded" - in the Software Centre, are those "items" showing? [05:10] Nope but I installed the upgrades. Now they're gone. [05:11] NeueMann: Rebooted? [05:11] Several times. [05:12] I've also rebooted the router (when in use) and requested new IPs from the network. [05:12] NeueMann: Still the same IP address range - being 10.x.x.x ? [05:12] Yes. [05:12] I've restarted network-manager as well. [05:13] NeueMann: I'm at a loss for the moment - you should either wait in here, or also ask in #ubuntu -> there are more folks in there, mate. [05:13] Thanks. === Emma_Dray is now known as emma|offline [05:28] hye guys [05:29] some1? [05:34] look like no one here [08:01] hello === sinewav1 is now known as sinewav [09:56] Hi, I have a old laptop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/FujitsuAmiloLa1703 and it's graphic card works ok in ubuntu mate live usb but installed it goes to 640x480 [09:57] ubuntu mate live usb 16.01 LTS downloaded today [09:58] how can I copy graphics configuration from live usb to the installed version? [10:01] mate|63758: what's the output of this command? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA [10:04] $ lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA [10:04] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1106:3230] (rev 01) [10:04] Subsystem: Fujitsu Technology Solutions K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1734:10d9] [10:04] Kernel modules: viafb [10:04] me again in usb live [10:04] Ah, that's the live one, ok, [10:05] can you put also the output of: xrandr [10:05] And: cat /var/log/Xorg.?.log [10:05] ..in paste.ubuntu.com or somewhere similar [10:06] Then boot normally, so that we can compare the output of those commands [10:06] ...between the livecd session and the normal session [10:06] From what I see, the live cd doesn't use the openchrome driver, but only viafb [10:07] Ah and a final command to compare between live and normal is: cat /proc/cmdline [10:08] http://pastebin.com/iaQXRB18 [10:08] got cut, is enough? [10:09] rebooting [10:11] ooops, life gets in the way of this :/ [10:11] I will be back [10:12] it will involve xorg.conf or this is something that is in the past? === apessoa is now known as Guest11141 [10:14] mate|63758: the output of xrandr? [10:15] Also, pluma /var/log/Xorg.0.log should allow you to copy/paste all of it [10:15] It might involve xorg.conf, yes [10:15] thanks :) [10:53] j [11:20] using a sound blaster e5 usb audio card connected to an amplifier through optical. now volume in ubuntu has always been a bit lower than in windows 10, meaning i have had to turn the volume up a bit more on my amplifier. now after a recent update in ubuntu, volume is inaudibly low, i can only barely hear anything even if i turn up volume on my amplifier to the max. any ideas? in pavucontrol it looks like [11:21] the whole scale is used. [11:21] and volume is set to 100% [11:23] looks like it just broke completely now, syslog is spammed by these: "com.canonical.indicator.sound-gtk2[4107]: 11:22:59.718 E [audio_driver_pulseaudio.cpp:326 ] can't write to stream, Connection terminated" [11:40] lhz, maybe ask in #ubuntu ? I don't think such a problem would be specific to Ubuntu MATE === YankDownUnder is now known as YDU_away [13:55] mpaste seems to be broken in ubuntu 16.01 LTS [13:55] mpaste -lang text -e 12345 typescript [13:55] Could not load languages from api, defaulting to "text" [13:55] Could not get expiration times, defaulting to 1800 [13:55] Reading file: typescript ... [13:55] Traceback (most recent call last): [13:55] File "/usr/bin/mpaste", line 155, in [13:55] if not args.expire in params['expires']: [13:55] TypeError: argument of type 'int' is not iterable === flexiondotorg is now known as Wimpress [14:55] ouroumov, See the name change above :-) [14:56] alkisg, You too :-) [15:14] busmaster, Yo [15:14] Hi [15:14] Well, I want to contribute but don't know where to start [15:15] Any pointers? [15:16] as a developer? [15:17] Yes [15:18] I can do Python, Java, C/C++ and Web dev [15:18] I can work with Git as well [15:19] well correct me if im wrong but ubuntu-mate doesnt have a git project but mate does [15:19] i think buntu mate is on launchpad [15:21] Yes, well I just need a heading. Anything is fine. [15:21] usually people get involved translating in most projects for start [15:21] or trying to find a fix for bugs [15:22] busmaster, We do use Git. [15:22] Most projects are in BitBucket. [15:22] busmaster, See Ubuntu MATE Welcome for links to where the projects live. [15:23] We are working on some Get Involved documentation. [15:23] Which will help people determine how to get started. [15:23] busmaster, But is there something in particular you're interested in working on? [15:25] Um, [15:26] Ok, full disclosure. I've heard a lot about FOSS and I think I'm capable of working on something now. [15:27] This is completely new territory for me. [15:27] So am I interested in something particular? I really can't say. [16:00] Hey, guys [16:00] Is anyone here? :p [16:00] yes [16:01] How to pin apps to the left side of the panel? I need to replace Firefox with Chrome [16:02] (I use Redmond theme) [16:04] right-click, remove, right-click, add to panel [16:04] unless the left side panel is not a normal mate side panel [16:05] What if it is? [16:07] then get rid of it and create a mate panel instead [16:07] you can make it wider than the default if you like to [16:07] mate panels are fun, you just right-click and you can do anything to them [16:08] When I right-clicked Chrome and chose "Add to panel" [16:08] it was then put in the active apps area [16:08] drag it and move it [16:08] or right-click, select move [16:09] then I can put it only on the right side [16:09] otherwise I can't see my active apps [16:09] Chrome kinda covers them [16:10] right-click what you call active apps at the left side [16:10] and unlock it [16:10] then you can move it around [16:13] Thanks, dude [16:17] ouroumov, um, forked before that feature? definitely not, the very first time i had ever used the mint menu back in 2009, it already had that ability, and it is awesome. shame the ubuntu mate team left that out. (the ability to search for and install directly from the menu without the need to open anything else, just type, and even a partial completion is often enough, and you are presented with all the possibilities to install [16:17] software, which u may do with one click + admin password of course) [16:19] sslove, maybe busmaster could modify the menu for you? :) [16:19] the menu is all python [16:20] i've changed it once, someone here wanted it to open by just hovering instead of clicking [16:20] i wonder if it is just a relatively simple thing to toggle in dconf for instance, and i wonder why it wouldn't be there since it is part of the functionality of that menu for years(since its inception afaik) [16:21] another option would be to grab mint's menu and install it on ubuntu mate, but it may not be easy [16:23] my software updater thing is confusing [16:25] There's this nifty little feature I discovered recently, one can press and hold the Mate menu, navigate to required option and launch it on release. [16:26] http://imgur.com/a/yHksb if you see here, i typed in 'soulseek' in the mint menu, it would give me the option at the bottom to install nicotine+ and other soulseek clients [16:26] It saves one click, but pretty intuitive. [16:26] if i were to type pidgin- it would give me a big scrollable list of pidgin extensions i could install with a simple click [16:28] i'm not sure if the current linux mint mate still allows that functionality, but i don't see why it would have been removed unless maybe it's a bitch to maintain that feature [16:29] busmaster, i believe all gtk buttons emit their clicked signal on button release. which would explain that [16:31] https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg [16:32] hey! how can i make my mouse pointer diappear when i watch for ex youtube videos in fullscreen? [16:33] eirik_, drag it to the right edge? :) [16:33] https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg sorry, in this pic u can see what i am talking about, this has always been part of the mint menu, and one of the killer features of it. i wish unity would allow search and install of software via the dash. i believe it's a makulu linux unity install that i have the ability to uninstall apps directly from the dash [16:34] eirik_, my pointer disappears by itself on 14.04 [16:34] busmaster, interested in showing what you can do? :) [16:35] Sure. [16:35] um...What exactly is to be done? [16:35] Akuli, hehe, yeah. now i just drag it over to my other monitor, but it'd be better if it just disappeared like it should. i'm on 16.04 [16:36] busmaster, i'm not an ubuntu mate developer and i have no idea what they appreciate [16:36] but if you want to you could implement what sslove needs [16:36] eirik_, which browser? it disappears on chromium, i can try that on firefix [16:36] firefox [16:37] google-chorme-stable [16:37] busmaster, do u see my last link? the image of the ability to one click install software directly from the 'mintmenu'? [16:37] https://www.linuxmint.com/tmp/blog/1534/mintmenu-search-engines-1.jpg [16:37] eirik_, should be basically same as my chromium [16:37] i havent tried on firefox yet, i could try that and see if that works. hold on. [16:37] it has always been there on any version of it i have ever used in any distro wise enough to include it, except ubuntu-mate [16:38] I saw the image. [16:39] oops! :D [16:39] i forgot that i have Ctrl+Alt+backspace set up to kill my x [16:39] do u know why it's not working in ubuntu mate? [16:39] Akuli, it disappeared as expected in firefox. guess it might be a problem with chrome [16:39] sslove, ubuntu mate's menu is a fork of mintmenu [16:40] basically, martin or someone else has taken the mint menu and modified it, then it's become ubuntu mate menu [16:40] Akuli, is chromeium the same as google chrome? [16:40] so all we'd probably need to do is to copy-paste some code from mint's menu and you'd have your search function [16:40] right, i get that [16:40] eirik_, chromium is a free as in freedom version of it [16:40] google is not spying on you, but you also don't get flash player with it [16:41] both sounds perfect! :d [16:41] but then that functionality was deliberately removed/omitted from the fork? [16:41] :D [16:41] sslove, yes, and i dont know why [16:41] speaking of chromium browsers, years ago there was iron browser, whatever happened with that project? [16:41] can i still log in as i would in chrome, though? [16:41] yes [16:41] just like in chrome, with your google account [16:42] its really not that different [16:43] it's still super cool to have that menu in ubuntu mate, and that ability to install new sw while not something u do everyday, for geeks, it's something that we(at least i) do often [16:43] eirik_, my pointer disappears with firefox also [16:43] i guess this is yet another 16.04 issue :) [16:46] Akuli, hmm, okay. i'll try chromium, as that sounds great, but you might be right that it's a 16.04 issue [16:46] Akuli, i've had some other problems with 16.04 too. does it have a lot of issues? [16:47] i've had more issues with 16.04 than any ubuntu release in years, but nothing major === test is now known as Guest38434 [16:49] what kind of problems? [16:50] let me think about it [16:51] my main problem, which i'd consider somewhat major, was that with regular ubuntu, when I installed it or booted from a live cd i would just get a black background, and no input would work. however, other flavors like mate, etc., works with no problems. so i would assume it's a problem with unity [16:55] well, little stuff like, my icon theme of choice(faenza) no longer displays correctly across the whole system, missing from synaptic for instance, synaptic now has some butt ugly icons, synaptic also missing from global menu, synaptic also missing the quick filter which was default in the past, had to google for a solution and get it back, power and sound icons are the default (ugly) ones in the system settings. update manager [16:55] doesn't work, "software" doesn't work, and more. little stuff like that, and maybe some slightly bigger issues that are not coming to me now, like, it takes about 5x as long to wake from suspend as it does to turn on and boot from 'off' [16:57] in the past i have had to turn a lubuntu install into unity by installing the necessary stuff, takes a while to really get it looking right. i had to do it because installing for my x and she only had a 1gb usb stick [16:58] yeah, that does sounds annoying. was that on vanilla 16.04 ubuntu? did you run into the same problems on other flavors, e.g mate, lubuntu, etc? [16:59] no this was an older release, maybe 15.04 [16:59] eirik_, what are your other issues? [16:59] i installed lubuntu because it was the only official ubuntu i could fit on a 1gb usb and then installed ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-session, etc [16:59] oh :) [17:00] * Akuli reads the scrollback [17:00] my other grievance is i can't get my favorite audio app guayadeque, to work [17:00] sslove, mini.isos are for that [17:01] they fit in about 50 megabytes or so [17:02] guayadeque is no longer in the repos, and if i manually install it, it doesn't playback anything because 16.04 is missing a package from the repos required by guayadeque to play music [17:02] Akuli, well, i can't say i ran into a whole lot of other problems as i never could get my vanilla ubuntu to work, haha! so i opted for mate, which, after using it for a while, i very much prefer to unity. [17:02] i tried the mini .iso but i couldn't get it to work [17:02] so far i havent run into many problems apart from the cursor thing [17:02] sslove, what was your problem? [17:03] if it was installing a kernel then i had the same issue when i tried it [17:03] im having samba client issues here, can see workgroups but cannot connect to file server, i have fresh install not changes made to smb.conf [17:05] Metomorphis, i'd just use nitroshare for simple file transfers [17:05] maybe you need to allow it through ufw? [17:05] i mean allow samba [17:06] i havent turned ufw on, i had thought about that [17:06] never heard of nitroshare though [17:07] you can google for screenshots [17:07] i really really LOVE Ubuntu MATE, but i have gotten used to stuff like the awesome unity keyboard shortcuts to launch apps, cycle thru windows, show desktop, the HUD (especially the HUD, most killer OS feature ever) and the overall polish and stability of it. there are things i wish i had the ability to change or modify about unity, as i was able to do with just about anything on GNOME 2, but still, it is very slick, i love the [17:07] global menu (former mac user) and i use top menu here in U MATE, and on my netbook, i have begun to wean myself off the 3rd party launchers like Kupfer (amazing) and docky, and just try to use the unity dash and launcher so i can reclaim precious ram. neither are as good as using kupfer and docky, but there are strengths and weaknesses to each [17:07] sslove, you probably want to set up compiz [17:08] it does a lot of that stuff [17:09] if i install nitroshare will it change any of my system settings so that if i dont like it uninstalling will be a pain? [17:09] it shouldn't, if you use the ppa or download the deb directly [17:09] of course, you want to remove the ppa after uninstalling, but other than that it shouldn't cause any issues [17:09] you also need to install it on all computers you're sharing stuff on [17:09] i saw that its in the repos at least when i did a apt search it shows it [17:10] oh [17:10] well its not in my 14.04 :) [17:10] then it should be great [17:10] ahh ok ill check it out.. thank you [17:10] also adds a handy ufw profile, so stuff like "sudo ufw allow nitroshare" will work [17:10] Ubuntu mate is the best distro [17:10] awesome [17:10] Removes the lag from unity :) [17:11] i like nitroshare. it does one thing and does it well :) [17:11] well, i have U MATE now on an old netbook 1.6ghz and 1gb ram, so i'll just leave marco gpu on, MATE (GNOME 2) still has cool stuff i wish i could do in unity, but i thanks to HUD and shortcuts and the behavior of global menu and LIM, unity currently is the best DE for my main computing needs [17:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_It_Well [17:12] sslove, is there no way of getting those features to mate? i'd be really surprised if no shortcut program existed [17:12] sslove, there's keyboard shortcuts in the menu, you can get started with that [17:14] where can i configure compiz btw? i switched to it in the mate control center > MATE tweak, but now all the options above is greyed out [17:14] eirik_, it's possible maybe, but u know, in unity, it's the default, press and hold super for cheat sheet(very nice) and u see the 'speed dial' for 10 apps. i usually use 10 apps or less, so i launch and switch/toggle opera for instance with super+1 [17:14] eirik_, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager [17:14] sslove, what does it matter whats the default? [17:14] telegram super+2, etc. would be nice to see similar functionality implemented in future MATE as well [17:15] Akuli, allright, thanks! [17:15] btw, as of 16.04, sudo apt install will suffice, no need to type apt-get [17:15] as of 12.04, i think [17:16] really?? [17:16] sslove, ah, i see. i agree that i do miss the super to open a launcher/start menu kind, but i havent looked that much into it [17:16] fuuuuck [17:16] at least my 14.04 has it [17:16] imagine how many unnecessary -get i must have typed out [17:16] also, if we wanted to do it the right way we'd use aptitude instead of apt-get and apt [17:16] might amount to a few extra hours of my life! [17:16] lol [17:17] thats an unnecessary itude, but worth it [17:17] i've always wondered about that. in almost every tutorial i see, they use apt-get, but when i type a command wrong it suggests just apt. what's the difference? [17:17] sslove, run aptitude without any args to get started, and go play minesweeper with it :) [17:17] eirik_, apt is "the new" thing, but behind the scenes it uses apt-get anyway [17:17] Akuli, what do u mean? [17:18] sslove, type aptitude [17:18] you can play minesweeper with it [17:18] Akuli, ah, okay. so they're basically the same thing? [17:18] eirik_, yes. there's some differences, but not many. [17:19] sslove, actions - play minesweeper [17:19] what else? [17:19] chess would be nice [17:19] don't really know minesweeper [17:19] its easy [17:19] Akuli, okay. is the differences like legacy stuff or is there any functionality differences? i've notices that apt-get doesnt have a search command [17:19] the numbers just tell how many mines there's around them [17:19] eirik_, apt-cache search ... [17:19] apt just uses that :) [17:20] the apt command is basically renaming the commands and merging them into one thing [17:20] Akuli, okay. so apt just uses the other apt-* commands to do things? [17:20] yes [17:20] Akuli, gotcha! [17:20] basically [17:20] it does some other stuff, but really not much [17:21] i just played it, not fun [17:21] i'd rather fap [17:25] Akuli, btw, i just install chromium-browser and tried youtube in fullscreen. the mouse pointer disappeared! :D thanks for the suggestion [17:25] so it was about the browser :) [17:25] yea, super + 1-0 has kinda made my dock app(s) sorta obsolete [17:25] weird that chrome doesn't do that [17:25] since it's much quicker for me to hit the shortcuts on keyboard rather than mouse to the dock and click to appear or hide app [17:26] Where can I find instructions on upgrading U-M from 15.10 to 16.04.1? [17:27] eirik_, u can try uninstalling and reinstalling or just reinstalling the browser to see if that has any effect. easy enough to do it and see [17:27] yeah, seems like it was a browser issue. i agree, chrome should do it no problems, must be a bug [17:27] TwoNotes, do-release-upgrade [17:27] System/Admin menu has THREE apps that have something to do with softwrae upgrades [17:27] sslove, yeah, i'll try that as well [17:27] TwoNotes, i believe it's just a simple sudo do-release-upgrade, but you should check that first. you may also want to change your settings to use LTS versions [17:28] Akuli, which settings would those be? [17:28] i forgot which file they are in [17:28] let me check [17:28] Akuli, TwoNotes u don't need sudo for do-release-upgrade, it launches its own sudo [17:29] TwoNotes, do-release-upgrade will suffice [17:29] well... i definitely don't like that [17:29] root access without asking for root access [17:30] sslove, i tried uninstalling and reinstalling google-chrome-stable by using apt remove google-chrome-stable and then apt install ... , but the cursor still doesn't disappear in fullscreen. i'll try to purge google-chrome-stable to remove all settings, maybe that'll help. will report back [17:31] no it asks for ur admin password [17:31] TwoNotes, edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the last line to Prompt=lts [17:31] that way you should get 16.04, not 16.10 [17:32] sslove, yeah, i hope it asks for the password. sounds scary if it could use sudo without asking [17:32] but no need to type sudo that's all, believe me, for a whole release upgrade for sure u will need admin access [17:32] it can't use sudo by itself... unless you've used sudo within the last 5 minutes or so and sudo remembers that :D === charles_ is now known as Guest66030 [17:33] true, true. is the cool-down 5 min by default? [17:33] yea, sometimes the most perplexing problems i have had with a browser (happened to be chrome or chromium) a clear cache turned out to solve the problem. i was unable to get online at all until i cleared cache [17:33] eirik_, i'm not sure, and you can probably change that [17:33] man sudo [17:34] The release-upfrades file explicitly says to NOT specify lts if current system is not already an LTS [17:35] oh.... i should have read that [17:35] Isn't there a web page describing the steps for an upgrade? [17:35] i'm pretty sure there is [17:35] All I find is old stuff pertaining to previous versions [17:36] I have *never* had a major upgrade-in-place go well. But I woould prefer not having to do a reinstall this time [17:37] I am downloading the 16.04.1 iso just in case though [17:37] the traditional way would be to edit your sources.list and run a dist-upgrade, but someone just did that from 14.04 to 16.04 on #ubuntu-fi and it broke a lot of stuff [17:37] TwoNotes, make sure ur fully up to date before doing release upgrade [17:37] makes a difference [17:38] It is such a pain having to find out again, exactly which 'fcitx' modules I need, etc [17:38] How do I tell if I m fully up to date? [17:38] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [17:38] run that [17:40] I've played 2 different dvds in vlc and there's a wierd flickering effect, is there something ubuntu mate 16.04 is missing out of the box that affects dvd playback? [17:40] sslove, i tried reinstalling google chrome, but still the cursor doesn't disappear. think i'll switch to chromium though, as that sounds better. [17:41] yea sure, basically the same shit [17:41] chromium is upstream chrome [17:41] randall, trash vlc and install smplayer, better than vlc imho [17:42] ummmm....ok? [17:42] sslove: exactly how is better im interested [17:42] or don't trash it if u don't want to, but if it's flickering, fuck it [17:43] why keep something around that's not working well. smplayer beats out vlc in [17:44] DarkPsydeLord, well, better is subjective, i said imho, but the defaults are way better, nicer, more logical GUI, default keyboard shortcuts, autoresume playback, youtube browser, many many things [17:45] also i find it to use less resources to do the same thing, play media. and on my netbook, or anything running on batteries, i would say that that is definitely 'better' [17:45] just try it out and see for yourself [17:46] sound appealing, but it has the ability to play almost everything without a lil tweak as vlc does? [17:48] i love vlc, don't get me wrong, but as a standalone (video) player, i like smplayer better. also just works better for me all around, more stable, less resources, more logical defaults, etc. but mostly i use kodi for most media playback, somehow it plays videos on my netbook(s) using less ram and cpu than either smplayer OR vlc, i don't know what kodi uses on the backend [17:48] sslove, does the youtube browser actually work again? I know it didn't last time I used it [17:48] DarkPsydeLord, yes, i believe so, it usually plays stuff vlc can't or won't [17:49] yea the utube browser i was using just a few days ago [17:49] it has been rewritten [17:49] it's a new one now [17:50] sslove: awesome im trying it asap and i mean it im about to play a whole bunch of old backups [17:50] sslove, how does the yt browser work? [17:51] eirik_, what do u mean? [17:51] u mean does it work well? [17:52] sslove, like, do you search for the videos you want to watch? does it have a subscription page where new videos from the channels you're subscribed to on youtube shows up? [17:53] um [17:53] not sure leme check [17:54] sudo apt install smplayer smtube [17:54] WHat is the difference between 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and 'do-release-upgrade'? [17:54] 1. upgrades version [17:55] 2. ... would use sudo apt-get upgrade ... 2 is maybe "install updates2 [17:55] haven't seen/heard of "do-release-upgrade" [17:55] do-release-update is an ubuntu thing [17:56] ubuntu developers made it for whatever reason, its not there in other debian-based distros [17:56] TwoNotes, dist-upgrade upgrades ur installed distro, release upgrade upgrades the release, to a new release (pretty much what it sounds like, but i know it can seem confusing) [17:57] Ok, so update+dist-upgrade makes sure my CURRENT system is up to date. Then do-release-upgrade will take it to 16.04? [17:57] wait, uh, to upgrade to new release, the cmd is do-release-upgrade or update or both? now i am confused [17:58] TwoNotes, correct, that is if u are either on 15.10 or 14.04 [17:58] Need to have all current updates applied first as I understand it [17:58] on 15.10 now [17:58] right [17:59] TwoNotes, or maybe to 16.10 [17:59] which might be a bit of a problem because its harder to go back [17:59] I want the LTS, which is 16.04.1 I think [18:00] trying smplayer playing an old loseless backup .ape of lacrimosa stille album [18:01] works like a charm! [18:02] DarkPsydeLord, haha cool [18:04] http://imgur.com/a/dZzdl smtube [18:04] http://imgur.com/a/VzoRu more smtube [18:05] http://imgur.com/a/DPJ8b [18:06] http://imgur.com/a/JVwzw [18:06] http://imgur.com/a/PlKde [18:06] hi all [18:07] sslove, why do you think that feature (menu-search) was cool? The way I see it it would have had to require a lot of useless CPU cycles. [18:07] eirik_, see the smtube pics i just linked to above, those a just screenshot now, it's working fine, but i don't see an ability to subscribe [18:08] i don't like the fact that apt-get upgrade = 'update' [18:08] ouroumov, massive time saver and discovery of packages built right into the menu, it was like having synaptic built right into it [18:09] Right so it's of zero interest to 99% of computer users [18:09] ouroumov, i didn't notice it to ever slow down my computers and i use total piece of shit underpowered netbooks with 1gb ram, lol [18:09] i don't think cpu cycles is an issue for that feature [18:10] On my N3150 running apt-cache search results in a massive CPU spike [18:10] ouroumov, What's of 0 interest to 99% of users? package search and install in menu? [18:10] sslove, yes [18:11] sslove, ah, okay, cool! seems like a decent alternative to using youtube.com, especially where resources are limited. [18:11] ouroumov, well, as u see, there is wikipedia and google and computer search built into there too, maybe 99% of ppl don't use that either, to do a google search for instance, should it be removed then? [18:13] Those are static strings with an onlick event triggering an action only if the user chooses [18:14] ouroumov, i don't see your point, sure it is useful to many of the geeks who use linux [18:15] Who cares about the geeks though? The geeks are happy with a command line. [18:16] let's face it, despite all our efforts to make linux os's user friendly, an admirable goal btw, and we try to install it on all of our gf's and fmaily's computers, it is still mostly geeks using this shit, and i'm sure a lot of us LIKE THAT FEATURE. hey, i have been missing that for years, i fucking love that GNOME 2 mint menu [18:17] I've converted My brother, My Mother, My Father, My Aunt, My Cousin to Linux [18:17] They're barely geeks at all. [18:17] geeks are also lazy cunts (at least can be, and often are) and this is probably the quickest and easiest way to install software, unless u wanna install many packages at once and then, nothing beats cli [18:17] The Old lady that's my mother's friend is no geek either [18:17] ouroumov, congrats mate, where u from btw? [18:17] All most of the use is: Firefox and Thunderbird [18:18] I'm from France. :] [18:19] ok, here's an argument that u can't beat, u tell granny, or pops or bro or whomever, hey if u wanna type in and search in this menu here, u can click to install new software too, what could possibly be easier than that? nothing to launch [18:19] anyway, i want it there even if it is JUST FOR ME, and the original guy who wrote the code, i guess he thought it would be a good idea [18:20] france is a wonderful place, sorry to hear about the recent bullshit over there [18:20] If the feature is still in Mint menu it should be portable [18:20] thunderbird, really? [18:20] yes [18:20] lol, that is something that is of 0 use for 99% of ppl [18:20] lol [18:21] Everybody reads mail [18:21] And for most of them, once on a heavy client, always on a heavy client [18:22] Only the younguns can not throw up at the idea of a webmail [18:22] personally, in the past i have used and loved email clients, but haven't used one in years now. [18:23] mozilla no longer develops thunderbird and i hear they're gonna kill it, fyi [18:23] i doubt anyone else will fork and maintain it [18:24] Well sure, it's not like they can just keep adding features, I mean it's already a mail client. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski ) [18:24]