[05:37] <mapps> hi
[05:53] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:22] <knightwise> Good morning peeps :)
[07:25] <MooDoo> morning
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy System Administrator Appreciation Day! 😃
[09:12] <SuperMatt> oh that's today?
[09:12] <SuperMatt> No one has praised me at all :(
[09:13] <JamesTait> Me neither.
[09:13] <JamesTait> But I bet if I unplug the internet, they'll all come running.
[09:13] <SuperMatt> do it
[09:14] <JamesTait> +++ CARRIER LOST
[09:16] <brobostigon> anyone running aorund like a headless chicken yt?
[09:17]  * popey glares at cyanogenmod
[09:39] <knightwise> oh my https://youtu.be/sg0D1PpgCXs
[09:46] <brobostigon> meep :)
[09:46] <brobostigon> sorry.
[09:55] <MooDoo> :)
[11:27]  * popey pokes waggott14 with a stick
[11:28] <SuperMatt> is that a new type of pokemon?
[13:22] <daftykins> temp ban perhaps for sanity?
[13:24] <DJones> Right
[13:26] <DJones> Been settled for the last 10 minutes, if it keeps on, I'll ban forward to #fixyourconnection, daftykins Give me a shout if you see it continuing
[13:27] <daftykins> DJones: will do, though i'll likely be out for the afternoon shortly :)
[13:28] <popey> well, there's your answer DJones ^
[13:28] <DJones> Cheers, I;m going walking the dog in the woods in the next few minutes
[13:29] <DJones> Hopfully that should sort it
[13:30] <daftykins> hehe, that's the default message isn't it? XD
[13:30] <DJones> Fingers crossed, dog walking time, if they ask anywhere, as long as the connection is stable, please remove the ban
[13:31] <DJones> Yep it is
[13:31] <DJones> I have a dog staring at me, so not much time to change the mesage
[13:32] <daftykins> *nod* was just thinking the guy might get grumpy
[13:36] <DJones> Yeah, sent them a pm to explain what happened
[14:21] <diddledan> https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/26/a-hack-by-any-other-name/
[14:34]  * knightwise soooo wants to go home
[14:49] <diddledan> netplan (or nplan as the package is gonna be called) sounds interesting
[14:50] <popey> wossat?
[14:51] <diddledan> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-y-network-yaml
[14:52] <diddledan> it was announced on ubuntu-devel earlier : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-July/039464.html
[14:53]  * DJones debates whether to try antine as a twitter client, but had doubts since it isn't even in a ppa, github download
[14:53] <DJones> anatine
[14:54] <popey> yeah, i looked at making a snap of it
[14:55] <DJones> Certainly looks interesting, Ubuntu is missing a decent twitter app at the moment since polly became unsupported
[14:55] <diddledan> DJones: I've been using corebird
[14:55] <DJones> Best I've found since then is corebird, but that doesn't auto update
[14:56] <DJones> diddledan: Have you found anyway to get it to auto update for new messages, without having to click the home button?
[14:57] <diddledan> I've not had any problem with it updating - it doesn't scroll to top by default though unless you go into the settings and toggle the autoscroll option
[14:58] <DJones> Hmmh, I'll look for that
[14:59] <DJones> Can't even find any options for setting
[15:02] <popey> i use tweetdeck in a browser window on its own
[15:02] <popey> like a webapp
[15:04] <diddledan> what can I buy from ebay for at least £30?
[15:04] <diddledan> (nectar are offering 10x points if I make a purchase before sunday)
[15:04] <popey> you could buy this for me http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-DIGITAL-Model-VT100-AA-COMES-WITH-SELAMAR-GRAPHIC-CARDS-POWERS-ON-/181667429713
[15:05] <diddledan> lol
[15:06] <popey> out of your price range?
[15:06] <popey> okay, how about this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Various-Artists-Lost-In-Transmission-Chichester-Hospital-Radio-CD-2015-New-/361621986724
[15:22] <daftykins> just had to dodge a quadbike walking down my *pedestrian only* lane home, wat
[15:32] <daftykins> guy was taking the lazy route to his insurer that's 2 doors up from me...
[15:56] <diddledan> sorted an RMA for my RAMs
[15:56] <diddledan> being picked-up on mudnay
[15:57] <diddledan> I guess I'll have to be without beast for a couple days until I get replacement modules :-(
[15:58] <daftykins> did you pin it down to one module in the end?
[15:58] <daftykins> i just posted the 7 year old stuff to the Netherlands just now :)
[15:58] <diddledan> \o/
[15:58] <daftykins> £2.84!
[15:58] <diddledan> they didn't quibble at all over the return. I guess I described it well-enough that it was obvious there's one wonky module
[15:59] <daftykins> what brand is it?
[15:59] <diddledan> I think they probably argue less when you ask for a direct replacement, too
[15:59] <diddledan> crucial ballistix
[15:59] <daftykins> ah i do like crucial stuff, they even give freepost labels eh?
[15:59] <diddledan> it's going back to ebuyer 'cos that's where I bought it from
[15:59] <daftykins> oic
[16:00] <diddledan> they're organising the shipping collection
[16:02] <daftykins> ah they can't do that over here because couriers :(
[16:02] <diddledan> it's gonna be yodel >.<
[16:02] <daftykins> often folks would promise, but nobody would come ;) i think they get stuck at that wet bit south of Southampton...
[16:02] <daftykins> or south of Land's End
[16:20] <diddledan> ssshh, don't tell anyone but I've been doing c# again: https://github.com/DEVSENSE/Phalanger/pull/59
[16:53] <daftykins> they call 'im the diddler... but occasionally the fixer, too...
[16:56]  * popey stabs cm13
[16:56] <daftykins> :o
[16:56] <daftykins> what'd it do? :P
[16:56] <popey> install cm13, add sd card to "internal storage" which encrypts the sd card
[16:56] <popey> which is all fine
[16:57] <popey> try and update cm13, it fails because it saves the zip then reboots to recovery, which can't see the encrypted sd card
[16:58] <daftykins> oof.
[16:58] <daftykins> though i think they refer to the device / being a good spot for that very reason
[16:59] <popey> sadly their update tool doesnt save there
[17:02] <daftykins> looks like folks are using workarounds by manually moving it, which isn't ideal!
[17:03] <popey> indeed
[17:03] <popey> and I can't even make the directory i need to move it to
[17:03] <popey> looks like i need some root shennanigans
[17:03] <popey> such a mess
[17:03] <daftykins> does the SD card become *actual* /sdcard, or a folder beneath that?
[17:04] <daftykins> https://www.reddit.com/r/cyanogenmod/comments/3yrsuk/updating_cm_with_sd_as_internal_storage/
[17:04] <daftykins> https://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/120600-cannot-update-cm-13-after-mounting-sd-card-as-internal-storage/
[17:04] <daftykins> dates aren't great but those folk speak of ways and means
[17:04] <popey> yeah, i can't make /data/foo
[17:04] <popey> need to become root somehow
[17:04]  * popey fiddles
[17:05] <daftykins> sorry, i didn't read in enough detail :(
[17:05] <diddledan> popey: if only someone would put normal linux on one
[17:05] <diddledan> s/one/a phone/
[17:06]  * popey shakes fist at cloud
[17:06] <daftykins> what are the benefits to SD card integration?
[17:06] <diddledan> moar storage
[17:06] <daftykins> nah but making it part of the internal and encrypting it, why those?
[17:06] <diddledan> android doesn't like putting apps on the sd
[17:06] <daftykins> yeah it's never a good move
[17:07] <popey> the benefit is more space
[17:07] <popey> basically
[17:07] <diddledan> so to fix that bug they join the two togetehr
[17:07] <popey> in older versions you can move apps to the sd card
[17:07] <daftykins> is it because it's a low capacity device, like an 8GB?
[17:07] <popey> but when you update in play store, they move back
[17:07] <popey> 16GB
[17:07] <daftykins> mm i came up against lots of apps that refused last time i played with that
[17:08] <popey> yeah, I'd rather not have to keep moving them
[17:08] <popey> hence switching to cm13 so I can just say "have at it" and give it the entire 64GB SD card
[17:08] <popey> which works fine, no slowdown
[17:08] <popey> just OTA is busted
[17:08] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:08] <popey> so I think what I'll do is manually get the zip from the website and push it over adb
[17:08] <daftykins> you must install a lot of stuff!
[17:08] <popey> when in recovery
[17:08] <popey> not really
[17:09] <popey> a few chunky games
[17:09] <popey> i take a fair few photos and videos with it
[17:09] <daftykins> ah did they not go onto the SD by default, before it was integrated?
[17:10] <popey> you can choose to put them on sd, sure
[17:10]  * diddledan blows chunks
[17:10] <popey> but the thing still got full
[17:10] <diddledan> what does that phrase mean "blow chunks"?
[17:10] <daftykins> wat
[17:10] <daftykins> something a product does because it's inferior, in my experience
[17:10] <popey> hence why I moved stuff to sd card
[17:10] <popey> diddledan: puke
[17:11] <diddledan> aah
[17:11] <daftykins> (inferior due to bad design / what have you)
[17:11] <popey> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:12] <daftykins> my friends wife brought me her HTC One M8 today that wasn't charging or doing anything for her over in England, they tried a few chargers... took it to a local shop and got told there was nothing to be done (it's a sealed battery type model)
[17:12] <daftykins> anyway hands it to me, i pop it on a 2A tablet charger i have here, light came on - then a couple of minutes passed and the very low battery sign came up - charged all fine XD
[17:12] <daftykins> she now thinks i have a special touch
[17:13] <daftykins> i think it just sensed the room has been where many a thing gets cracked open with no mercy
[17:14] <popey> we used to get a lot of nexus 4's in that state when first developing ubuntu touch on it
[17:14] <popey> the standard advice was "plug it into a decent charger and leave it alone for hours"
[17:14] <popey> eventually they'd all wake up
[17:14] <diddledan> I remember that issue hitting the mailing list often
[17:14] <daftykins> ah yeah, cheaply sold?
[17:14] <popey> yeah
[17:14] <popey> no, just drained below zero
[17:14] <popey> and we had no alert or system for shutting down
[17:14] <daftykins> i mean for you to get them, though
[17:15] <popey> so it would drain to nothing
[17:15] <diddledan> I think the galaxy nexus had the same problem
[17:15] <popey> oh, no, we bought them new
[17:15] <daftykins> oic
[17:15] <popey> back when nexus 4 was the thing
[17:16] <diddledan> 3-generations ago
[17:16] <popey> time flies like a brick doesn't
[17:16] <diddledan> 4 when the next ones drop in a month or so
[17:16] <daftykins> still got mine here, been abandoned by Google but still holds 2G service in my granite house better than my Nexus 5 does :|
[17:17] <daftykins> just don't fancy using it anymore since it's insecure really
[17:17] <popey> whooo, installed a terminal and got root
[17:17] <daftykins> :)
[17:19] <diddledan> flying brick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruyfJJT7qY
[17:19] <diddledan> saw that movie in the cinema
[17:20] <diddledan> loved it
[17:20] <diddledan> popey: is there a gif of "got root"?
[17:20] <diddledan> https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/54088016.jpg
[17:22] <daftykins> diddledan: nah this is a flying brick - (volume check) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD4MaFHsK_w
[17:23] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/yLNLvz6.png \o/
[17:24] <diddledan> daftykins: was it really necessary for that uploader to loop the thing for 5 and a half minutes?!
[17:24] <daftykins> he tells me he just combined the two and then got all those views which he's not allowed to monetise :( so i'd go with... yes
[17:25] <diddledan> two?
[17:25] <diddledan> there's only one video there. looped. many many many times.
[17:26] <daftykins> yes, video with audio
[17:26] <daftykins> not sure which portion he means belongs to someone, maybe both!
[17:29] <daftykins> hehe my PhD Physics mate just got the job after his interview in Tokyo, he messaged me "spec me a beast (PC), i've got a job!"
[17:37] <diddledan> :-p
[17:37] <diddledan> beast, eh
[17:37] <daftykins> mmm
[17:38] <daftykins> guy always lives on the bread line so i wish he'd at least get one pay packet before splurging XD
[17:42] <popey> \o/ updateificated
[17:42] <popey> right, time for beer
[17:42] <popey> o/
[17:42] <daftykins> enjoy o/
[17:42] <diddledan> did you pontificate?
[17:58] <daftykins> yay by chance tonnes of friends that moved away are on the island this weekend \o/
[18:05] <daftykins> hmm that dud RAM was from that blown cap motherboard, perhaps it's not as dead as i thought...
[18:05] <zmoylan-pi> zombies, every one panic!! \o/
[18:06]  * daftykins keeps a weapon handy, just in case
[18:08] <diddledan> daftykins: the ram that you've got an RMA for?
[18:08] <diddledan> or different one?
[18:11] <daftykins> RAM i posted off today came from the mobo with blown caps, yep
[18:12] <daftykins> it would stop POST after a power cut, weirdly... yet could be made to work and kicked into life
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> intermittent computers are never to be trusted
[18:29] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/r1ouC
[18:30] <daftykins> well yes sir, that is a given, but when they're only intermittent due to previously undiagnosed faults - they can rise again!
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> oh, i have used a purloined virus infected then cleaned obsolete junker as an email server for 4 years but it was beside my desk so i was on hand in the event it was ever to fail...
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> or a computer that only i could make boot as a novell file server for about the same amount of time.
[18:37] <daftykins> :>
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> but as it was a novell server it only needed restarting after power cuts so once a year at most
[18:37] <daftykins> i had actually discounted a different board with no cap issues with that wonky RAM in, so that one might be alright again, though it didn't POST with DDR3 in... only DDR2.
[18:37] <daftykins> (it has both, it's a rare board)
[18:41] <daftykins> well i'll be, blown cap board POSTs first time with different RAM
[18:58] <daftykins> that 6 minute memtest!
[20:30] <diddledan> apparently someone managed to craft an exploit for the pornhub website
[20:32] <diddledan> obviously I'm not going to mention a clickable link for said site. because, you know.. SFW
[20:33] <daftykins> and of course you don't know the TLD, never been
[20:34] <diddledan> well that's true, too
[21:19]  * zmoylan-pi almost wishes i was still working tech support to see who's pc is dragged in infected from this vulnerability...
[21:20] <diddledan> lol
[21:21] <diddledan> I get new internets on mudnay
[21:22] <diddledan> what's the betting openreach screw it up?
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> been delivered by a man in a bucket at 6am every morning...
[21:34] <daftykins> diddledan: what's the change?
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> a bigger bucket...
[21:35] <diddledan> moving to aaisp
[21:36] <daftykins> ooh
[21:37] <daftykins> weird caps
[22:15] <diddledan> gotta love these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpztC6GHqw
[22:18] <daftykins> toilet... in a letterbox... THAT WAS MY HOUSE!
[22:19] <daftykins> oh it's a Blue Peter parody!
[22:19]  * daftykins wakes up
[22:19] <diddledan> lol
[22:19] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVvRluNJpM
[22:20] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtF5L9bKfO8
[22:20] <diddledan> and of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Y-0C0p_9s
[22:54] <daftykins> i now know, that this was wrong
[23:27] <danielthebague>  Hi looking to do an upgarde to 16.04.1 LTS and the installer states i have low disk space. i ran apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean, apt-get autoremove and also used ubuntu tweak tool to remove old kernels. also installed and ran bleachbit (as root) to clear old log files, emptied trash too and still i have a low disk space warning. is there a work around can i remove anything else or would a backup and new insta
[23:27] <danielthebague> llation be more appropriate in my circumstances?
[23:30] <daftykins> show me "dpkg -l | grep linux- | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:32] <daftykins> also "df -i | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:37] <daftykins> can only imagine that guy has me on ignore
[23:38] <zmoylan-pi> or is new to irc...
[23:38] <daftykins> oh here we go, PM reply now
[23:38] <diddledan> ignore it
[23:38] <daftykins> hmm?
[23:38] <diddledan> the pm
[23:38] <daftykins> why
[23:38] <diddledan> because it's rude to pm people without asking
[23:39] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[23:39] <daftykins> when you're offering them help? don't be ridiculous
[23:39] <daftykins> anyway, person said they were going to just clean install - quitters!
[23:40] <daftykins> honestly i'm blown away you'd even say that
[23:41] <zmoylan-pi> i discourage pming as most of the time it is been done by people who are doing it wrong or are trolling
[23:42] <diddledan> people who have a prior relationship are ok to pm, but going into a chatroom you've never been to before and pming the first person to reply is bad netiquette
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> and encouraging bad manners doesn't help the community when more people are /rude/
[23:43] <daftykins> no no, when the guy left the channel, i PM'd *them* because it was as though the advice was missed
[23:44] <zmoylan-pi> ah, fair enough
[23:44] <daftykins> yeah if they PM i bite them on the nose... hard...
[23:44] <diddledan> oic. I figured he came here, asked for help, saw you reply, left the room and pm'd you randomly
[23:45] <daftykins> mmm makes sense to me now!
[23:45] <diddledan> mmm, cookies
[23:45] <daftykins> mmmmm
[23:45] <diddledan> not muh cookies!
[23:45] <daftykins> mmk i gave this other motherboard another try but nope, it's still properly unreliable
[23:46] <zmoylan-pi> just i've seen people wander into irc rooms and then pm anyone who looks active
[23:46] <diddledan> http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/M'Fashnik_Demon
[23:46] <daftykins> so the popped cap one is the best so far, it could probably live again if they were replaced
[23:46] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: me too
[23:46] <daftykins> yeah, my mistake - i think i was a bit too in my own head thinking "i know i PM'd first..." when i said he replied
[23:47] <zmoylan-pi> i saw an interesting blog entry a while back of an engineer sick of wifi ap dying every year or so who removed all the capacitors on a new one and replaced them with good quality ones and the device was going years later
[23:47]  * diddledan pets daftykins
[23:47]  * zmoylan-pi pushes the chocolate hobnobs daftykins way
[23:47]  * daftykins is petted
[23:47] <daftykins> d'aww thanks guys!
[23:47] <diddledan> mmm nobnobs!
[23:48] <daftykins> those are totally a fave of mine
[23:48] <diddledan> ditto
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> can't go wrong with hobnobs. lowest common denominator of a good biccie
[23:54]  * daftykins mentally labels this mobo 'definitely dead'
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> i used postage labels and wrote on them with a sharpie to mark hardware.  stick it to underside. and date it
[23:57] <daftykins> that sounds good
[23:57] <daftykins> i definitely always write on the HDDs labels for bad sector ones
[23:57] <diddledan> even easier is to break the board in-two
[23:58] <diddledan> broken board = broken board
[23:58] <daftykins> too much fallout for my little 4 pawed lass to deal with :)
[23:58] <diddledan> makes it obvious then
[23:58] <daftykins> and future dafty to clean up!
[23:58] <diddledan> aww, she koot
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> and if you want the postage label to be easily removeable, stick it to your sleeve 2-3 times as that adds fluff/lint to make it less sticky
[23:59] <daftykins> still, i've got three working
[23:59] <daftykins> that's pretty ace