[00:05] <sslove> AND 16.04 snap packages
[00:05] <sslove> very cool
[00:07] <datahead8888> If I am unable to run "sudo apt-get update", is it inadvisable to start an upgrade from Ubuntu 12 -> 14?
[00:07] <datahead8888> I get the error:
[00:07] <datahead8888> Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[00:08] <dax> you're using 32-bit Ubuntu, I take it?
[00:08] <dax> If so, no Chrome for 32-bit these days, you should remove that repository and Chrome
[00:08] <dax> (Google upstream decision, not Ubuntu-related)
[00:08] <sslove> no don't worry about it
[00:08] <Bashing-om> sslove: Join the discuusion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327088 <- Testing deb apps converted to snap apps on Ubuntu & flavours .
[00:09] <sslove> chrome is not a default package anyway
[00:09] <sslove> a good tip i can give u is get aptik and do the 1 click backup/restore
[00:10] <k1l_> datahead8888: can your cpu make use of 64bit? then i would consider reinstalling a 64bit ubuntu
[00:10] <sslove> then download/install aptik again and 1 click restore, and all of your apps, ppa's, themes, settings, etc. will be back
[00:11] <datahead8888> k1l_, if I run uname -a, it says x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:11] <sslove> yea do the 64bit install if u can
[00:11] <datahead8888> Yes, I have a 64 bit processor
[00:12] <sslove> get aptik, it makes the release upgrades much easier
[00:16] <datahead8888> sslove, under System details, it says 64-bit in Ubuntu
[00:16] <datahead8888> Thus I have a 64 bit copy
[00:17] <sslove> cool
[00:18] <k1l_> datahead8888: well yes. its just that google did stop making a 32bit chrome. and that error was known when they did that.
[00:18] <k1l_> !chrome-repo
[00:18] <hplc> erv identify k8pr4th
[00:20] <lukasz_> Hello.
[00:20] <lukasz_> Can anyone help me with bash ?
[00:21] <lukasz_> Question is: is there a way to trigger a script run after file is saved ?
[00:47] <adjectivenoun> I'm new to ubuntu, and i'm having a difficult time finding the answer to what should probably be a simple question
[00:47] <Mooseengr> Hello? I have a question about 16.04 installaation
[00:47] <OerHeks> :-)
[00:48] <adjectivenoun> I have an external Drive. I have partitioned and mounted it, but for the life of me, I don't understand how to designate that I want to create a folder on it.
[00:48] <adjectivenoun> er
[00:48] <adjectivenoun> *internal, extra drive, not external
[00:50] <rwsoft1> You should just be able to create a folder where you mounted your hard drive.
[00:51] <Tin_man> are you using nautilus file manager? and if not does it see your drive when you start it up.
[01:28] <foooolt> o/
[01:28] <tacomon_> [Chuy] o/
[01:34] <ax562> can someone help me with this error "video format or MIME type is not supported"?
[01:34] <ax562> running ubuntu 16.04 firefox
[01:35] <danmulvey> what are you trying to open when you get that error?
[01:35] <ax562> video stream online
[01:35] <danmulvey> ahh
[01:35] <danmulvey> sounds like you're missing a codec or something, have you tried opening it in vlc?
[01:35] <tacomon_> [josecarlosv] Codecs?
[01:36] <danmulvey> either that or you can install some other codecs through the repos, i forget the package name off the top of my head though
[01:37] <OerHeks> ax562, must be a videotype like facebook ??
[01:37] <OerHeks> ax562, or give more info please
[01:37] <ax562> I tried this "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[01:37] <ax562> "
[01:37] <ax562> but that didn't help
[01:38] <ax562> I'm trying to stream a video online but I get ""video format or MIME type is not supported"
[01:39] <ax562> I also installed this "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[01:39] <OerHeks> ax562, and what video type do you want to stream?  this is totally different than recieving a stream .. and is there more we need to knoe?
[01:40] <ax562> which I could have sworn I already had installed.
[01:40] <ax562> well I can give you the exact link
[01:40] <OerHeks> and how would you stream throug firefox??
[01:40] <ax562> http://www.vodu.ch/file/76edce00dd3b442bac6bb9c8d6122a89/?play_hash=f2e020252876b6f5e3337d9322474d24&confirm=Continue+to+Play+Movie#
[01:40] <ax562> that's the link
[01:40] <danmulvey> OerHeks: he is talking about receiving/viewing a video
[01:40] <ax562> and yes firefox
[01:40] <danmulvey> not broadcasting one
[01:40] <danmulvey> OerHeks: seems like you're misinterpreting some of the wording in the question
[01:41] <OerHeks> That is what he said: I'm trying to stream a video online ..
[01:41] <OerHeks> but oke. lets see what it is..
[01:41] <danmulvey> yeah trying to stream the video to his computer to watch it
[01:41] <tgm4883> OerHeks: yea, just like one would stream netflix...
[01:41] <danmulvey> sounded like you thought he meant he wanted to stream video for other people to watch
[01:41] <OerHeks> oh illegal dvdrip.
[01:42] <OerHeks> and it is not available anymore :-(
[01:42] <danmulvey> works for me
[01:43] <danmulvey> at least it seems like it so far
[01:43] <danmulvey> made me wait for some button to countdown first
[01:43] <ax562> yeah I just get black screen with that message
[01:43] <danmulvey> but it seems like the video is playing, gimme a second to see if its actually working
[01:44] <danmulvey> im running some stuff in blender in the background so my laptop is going kinda slow right now, sorry its taking me a minute to check it out
[01:44] <danmulvey> huh weird, it gave me like a little preview or something and then turned into what youre getting
[01:45] <danmulvey> it played like 3-5 seconds of a video, then it looked like it was buffering and now its just at 0:00 and black even when i press play.
[01:45] <danmulvey> i agree, sounds like the file just isnt available
[01:47] <ax562> weird
[01:47] <ax562> http://www.vodu.ch/file/a19ee0a94bafa60049d977466fddaf8d/l5qgbluAn6Wmm5qif11VclSXmp2kl6CTmZOqYWRpZlZDioZ%2BfZKhlpSfvFx%2Bl62ilZ%2BhfGOl/
[01:47] <ax562> I get the same error on this video as well
[01:48] <OerHeks> we love to help you to watch illegal online movies .. not
[01:49] <YankDownUnder> It's a scam-loop...that link is just a scam.
[01:49] <OerHeks> ha ha ha ha ha ha
[01:49] <Sebastien> ax562, this site is a joke, get netflix or hulu
[01:49] <foooolt> can someone see what i'm posting?
[01:49] <Sebastien> foooolt, no.
[01:50] <OerHeks> foooolt :-)
[01:50] <tacomon_> [523311125704] lol
[01:52] <ax562> yeah site used to be legit
[01:52] <tacomon_> [523313197896] Testing Chuy's new toy
[01:52] <ax562> now not so much
[01:56] <ax562> thanks anyways all
[02:09] <stacks88> im on 14.04 -- apt-get dist-upgrade will not result in a release upgrade, correct? only do-release-upgrade ?
[02:10] <OerHeks> stacks88, yes.
[02:10] <OerHeks> !dist-upgrade
[02:10] <OerHeks> but you have to wait a few days more for 16.04.1 upgrade notice ..
[02:10] <OerHeks> !ltsupgrade
[02:10] <OerHeks> 28th is not true, a few days more :-(
[02:11] <tgm4883> OerHeks: no, it's today
[02:12] <OerHeks> Is it? oh great
[02:12] <tgm4883> OerHeks: yep http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[02:17] <avionic> hello
[02:17] <Conna> ya?
[02:18] <Conna> are you use ubuntu avionic?
[02:18] <Trioxin> is it impossible to get an AMD driver that doesn't cause screen tearing? FRACK
[02:19] <mechtn> Looking for suggestions: Got 2 supermicro servers each with 4 SAS uplinks crossed over to 2 16 port sas switches.  The sas switches also connect to 8 disk enclosures (2 connects per enclosure to the sas switch) and hold 45 drives each.  So total of 360 drives.  Looking at putting the new 10TB drives into the enclosures.  Need a network file system that's robust for large sql backups and capable
[02:19] <mechtn> of 1PB volumes.  Network connectivity to the servers is 20GB each.  Prefer each server support 180 drives (1.8PB before RAID).
[02:19] <Trioxin> NFS?
[02:20] <OerHeks> !zfs
[02:20] <tgm4883> I don't think I'd use anything but ZFS with that much data
[02:21] <Trioxin> sounds nice
[02:21] <avionic> Any suggestions on how to get my
[02:21] <tgm4883> avionic: I think you accidentally a word
[02:21] <avionic> ati graphics card to be used instead of intel ?
[02:21] <Trioxin> are my screen tearing issues likely due to my driver or just the kde compositor? the driver right?
[02:21] <Trioxin> must be
[02:22] <WhiteNight> !zfa
[02:23] <WhiteNight> !zfs
[02:23] <Trioxin> avionic, https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=ubuntu+disable+intel+graphics&cat=web&pl=chrome&language=english
[02:24] <Trioxin> avionic, so if you have your ATI driver installed you should only need to disable the intel crap I think
[02:24] <Trioxin> or whatever those posts say to do
[02:24] <avionic> I have the driver installed and I disabled it in BIOS but for some reason it is still using Intel HD
[02:25] <Trioxin> avionic, that doesn't make sense to me. if it's disabled in bios...
[02:25] <Trioxin> but try the links in those results
[02:28] <congdv21> hi guys, how can i turn off my touch pad on lubtuntu? On ubuntu i can turn off by press Fn+F1, but is's not working on lubuntu
[02:30] <miltinho> oi
[02:31] <Trioxin> ::submitting feature request to interworx for zfs support
[02:35] <deewreckd2> hi
[02:36] <Trioxin> is there a tool I can use to backup all my configuration and files to do a fresh install?
[02:36] <Trioxin> beyond simple file backup
[02:39] <ubuntu235> glxinfo
[02:39] <YankDownUnder> Trioxin: "Beyond a simple backup" - um...just back up your /home...
[02:39] <ubuntu235> is errroring out
[02:39] <ubuntu235> can someone help me fix it
[02:41] <YankDownUnder> ubuntu235: Do you have the proper video drivers installed?
[02:41] <Trioxin> yankdownunder, the problem is I want to move my install to a new drive but I've used luks full disk encryption
[02:41] <Trioxin> so I can't resize the partition
[02:42] <YankDownUnder> Trioxin: And you can't copy the /home to a USB or "elsewhere"? I'm not one for encryption - so on that part, I'm very little help
[02:43] <Trioxin> yankdownunder, the modifications i've made to my install go far beyond /home
[02:46] <YankDownUnder> Trioxin: So you can't "clone" the drive to the new drive?
[02:46] <Trioxin> YankDownUnder, new drive > space than old drive
[02:47] <YankDownUnder> Trioxin: Fair enough.
[02:48] <Conna> i love linux
[02:48] <Trioxin> so say we all
[02:49]  * YankDownUnder looks for Cmdr. Adama
[02:49] <Trioxin> lol
[02:50] <avionic> still using Intel card... can't seem to swith to ATI card. ~$ fglrxinfo display: :0  screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)  OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
[02:51] <YankDownUnder> avionic: Um...just wondering - in the BIOS on that machine, did you set the ATI as your primary graphics card?
[02:52] <Trioxin> he did
[02:52] <Trioxin> said he did
[02:53] <YankDownUnder> Trioxin: I always take that with a grain of salt...
[02:55] <avionic> Yank yes I did
[02:56] <YankDownUnder> avionic: Here's something that might be of interest - it's an article about completely re-installing Xorg - which might resolve the "double driver" issue...hmm....
[02:56] <YankDownUnder> avionic: https://www.computersnyou.com/4945/re-install-xorg-xserver-completely-ubuntu/
[02:57] <YankDownUnder> avionic: As well - there is this, too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[02:59] <OerHeks> avionic, are you using 16.04? with kernel 4.4.18 and up those flickers should be solved http://askubuntu.com/questions/752743/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-6th-generation-screen-flickering
[03:01] <avionic> zi
[03:01] <avionic> I'm using 16.04 but no screen flickers
[03:04] <crazyhorse18> I've installed msttcorefonts but i noticed chinese characters are still coming out as ? .. is there another pack i need to install?
[03:05] <crazyhorse18> it's not an issue on my desktop computer when generating pdf's.. just the server
[03:06] <AmR|EiSa> I have libmysqlclient_r.so.20 but need to install libmysqlclient_r.so.16 How I can do that I use ubuntu 16.04 ?
[03:06] <YankDownUnder> crazyhorse18: Um...and you've installed all the required fonts on the server, too, hmm?
[03:07] <crazyhorse18> well.. i install msttcorefonts.... in the css it's just using whatever's default
[03:07] <crazyhorse18> obviously can't be arial as that doesn't support the chinese characters
[03:07] <avionic> Graphics:  Card-1: Intel Sky Lake Integrated Graphics            Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland GL [FirePro W2100]            Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 driver: N/A
[03:08] <crazyhorse18> the only thing i can think is to manually download the ttf fonts and then link them in the css :/
[03:08] <YankDownUnder> crazyhorse18: "in CSS" - um...so your server, then, is running Apache?
[03:08] <avionic> Kernel: 4.4.0-31-generic x86_64 (64 bit)            Desktop: Unity 7.4.0  Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[03:08] <crazyhorse18> no.. command line   prince + pdftk
[03:09] <avionic> Can't seem to switch to card 2 the AMD/ATI....
[03:09] <YankDownUnder> crazyhorse18: I'd assume that 1.) You'd want to have all the fonts installed on the server, and 2.) that would be an issue to ask in #ubuntu-server
[03:10] <crazyhorse18> okies
[03:11] <AmR|EiSa> Any help plz
[03:12] <rajivmars> whenever i turn on my computer,  it shows a message that "extra feature should enhance the functionality of firefox". when i click on it, it says to install "flash". when i click "ok" to install it, it is failed to install. It says package installation failed. anyone please try to solve this issue?
[03:12] <crazyhorse18> lol most hilarious bug ever... i did't realise directories could have new lines in them :P
[03:12] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: You're asking about "downgrading" the libs for MySQL client...why would you do that? Is that related to Ubuntu's installation?
[03:13] <rajivmars> I am using kubuntu 16.04.
[03:13] <AmR|EiSa> Did any one know how to install libmysqlclient_r.so.16 in kubuntu 16.04 ?
[03:14] <avionic> There was a problem initializing Radeon Control Center Linux edition.  It could be caused by the following.  No AMD graphics driver is installed, or the AMD driver is not functioning properly. Please install the AMD driver appropriate for you AMD hardware, or configure using aticonfig.
[03:14] <YankDownUnder> rajivmars: That actually sounds like a "malware" issue...
[03:14] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: Have you asked in the #mysql channel yet?
[03:14] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: I use Qt installer and don't have time to rebuild it all, And Qt installer linked to this ver.
[03:14] <rajivmars> YankDownUnder: then how do i solve this?
[03:15] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: I do but no help
[03:15] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: Explaining it to me is a pointless operation...I am merely pointing you in what would appear a proper direction.
[03:16] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: I have same Q as http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28678188/qt-application-does-not-load-driver-qmysql-and-does-not-recompile-to-get-accept
[03:16] <YankDownUnder> rajivmars: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-caused-malware
[03:17] <AmR|EiSa> And I try google it for long time but not get any fix for that, only rebuild Qt.
[03:17] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: That would be something to really ask in a dev channel, mate...truly...and you're also asking about "downgrading" a version...hmm...
[03:18] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: What is name for dev room  ?
[03:20] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: I'd ask in #qt-creator
[03:23] <rajivmars> YankDownUnder: Firefox never shows such types of error messages. this message has been shown by the update notifier. Then how would it be a sign of malware?
[03:23] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: Did you get any info ?
[03:23] <YankDownUnder> rajivmars: I was merely going on exactly what you stated.
[03:24] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: That would be something that YOU would have to ask in that channel. I'm trying to run my biz AND give a hand here, mate...
[03:24] <AmR|EiSa> ×،
[03:24] <AmR|EiSa> OK
[03:25] <sikun> Anyone use ubuntu in a production environment?
[03:26] <YankDownUnder> sikun: If you define "production" as "daily operations for a business or businesses", then yes.
[03:26] <sikun> How'd the decision to use ubuntu come to happen
[03:27] <YankDownUnder> sikun: Solidity, simplicity, ease of maintenance.
[03:28] <sikun> Oh how I wish.....
[03:28] <sikun> I work in a BSD environment
[03:28] <sikun> OpenBSD and FreeBSD
[03:29] <YankDownUnder> sikun: Have you developed a horrible drinking or drug problem since starting this role? (JOKE)
[03:29] <sikun> Nothing else is "stable enough"
[03:29] <sikun> I'm close...
[03:29] <sikun> Haha
[03:29] <sikun> Jk jk
[03:30] <sikun> I really wish I could get approval to put a ubuntu server into production and actually show them what it can do
[03:31] <_unreal_> I dont know how I did it but I am zoomed in on my screen
[03:32] <sikun> YankDownUnder how many servers do you manage
[03:32] <YankDownUnder> sikun: One of the "servers" I administer has been up and stable since 09...running 9.04...still going strong...only had to replace the DVD drive...
[03:32] <sikun> Very impressive
[03:32] <YankDownUnder> sikun: I have more than 20 clients with "linux based servers" - along with assorted other junk...
[03:33] <YankDownUnder> sikun: I have a machine that was setup in 2001 - on RH9 - it's still running NOW...
[03:33] <sikun> Roughly 450 severs, maybe 20 of them are CentOS or Windows Servet
[03:34] <tgm4883> !OT
[03:34] <strass>  I was getting dkpg errors for keyboard-configuration. Stackoverflow had me remove then reinstall keyboard-configuration, but now x doesn't start and I can't type at shell.
[03:35] <strass>  I am currently in single user mode, trying to reconfigure keyboard-configuration. here's my error log: http://termbin.com/12ot
[03:35] <strass>  can someone please help me get it working again?
[03:35] <YankDownUnder> sikun: Before I moved to Australia, I worked in telecom - I dealt primarily with OS2 servers, AIX, HP, Sparcs and a few "Windows NT 4.0" servers...hated working in the corporate environment
[03:36] <sikun> Nice
[03:39] <dancingdemon> hey guys so when I installed something with python, It installed a new version of openssl
[03:39] <dancingdemon> [dancingdemon@DdEQbros]:(50.7Mb)~$ pip install requests[security]
[03:39] <dancingdemon> Collecting requests[security]
[03:39] <dancingdemon>   Downloading requests-2.10.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl (506kB)
[03:39] <dancingdemon>     100% |████████████████████████████████| 512kB 2.0MB/s
[03:39] <dancingdemon> Collecting pyOpenSSL>=0.13; extra == "security" (from requests[security])
[03:40]  * sikun yawns
[03:41] <strass> heres my apt-get dist-upgrade error log too http://termbin.com/jlnf
[03:41] <strass> and install error log for posterity http://termbin.com/12ot
[03:42] <Lope> `dpkg -l | grep linux image` shows "linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic" I run `apt-get remove linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic`. it says "Package 'linux-image-extra-4.4.0-22-generic' is not installed, so not removed" ?!?
[03:42] <rajivmars> I have just install flashplugin-installer. But flashplugin is not supported with chromium browser. it supports with firefox. why is this happening?
[03:44] <Lope> nvm, it was rc
[03:45] <AmR|EiSa> I got libmysqlclient_r.so.16 as file can i install in the system, If yes then How I can do it.
[03:46] <AmR|EiSa> YankDownUnder: ^
[03:46] <YankDownUnder> AmR|EiSa: THAT I am not sure of...I'd assume you would put it where the other lib lives, from a logical standpoint.
[03:53] <mikeone33> good evening
[03:53] <Xhuin> Hey I forget how do you forward ALL output from an ongoing process
[03:53] <Xhuin> even like, errors and stuff
[03:56] <Se7enLC> program &> file.txt
[03:56] <tacomon_> [Chuy] strace -p PID
[03:56] <lan> lan
[03:58] <tacomon_> [Chuy] yo can filter only the writes from strace
[03:58] <tacomon_> [Chuy] it you want les verbose
[03:59] <tacomon_> [Chuy] Xhuin: ^^
[03:59] <tacomon_> [Chuy] less*
[03:59] <Xhuin> Se7enLC; thats the one, thanks anyway (also tacomon_)
[04:00] <tacomon_> [Chuy] xD
[04:11] <wyseguy> can someone help with radeon drivers?
[04:16] -oldcomputers:#ubuntu- I am a prophet of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  I come in peace.
[04:16] <dancingdemon> how to install pyopenssl in ubuntu ?
[04:18] <OerHeks> !info python3-openssl
[04:18] <OerHeks> took a little search, dancingdemon
[04:20] <OerHeks> oldcomputers, please don't message the channel like that.
[04:20] <dancingdemon> this for python 2 ?
[04:20] <dancingdemon> I'm on python2.7
[04:20] <OerHeks> dancingdemon, no
[04:21] <dancingdemon> how to do this in python 2?
[04:21] <OerHeks> dancingdemon, for what ubuntu version ?
[04:21] <dancingdemon> 16.0
[04:21] <OerHeks> then you have python3
[04:21] <oldcomputers> OerHeks: sorry
[04:22] <oldcomputers> I'll have to find a better way to get the word out
[04:22] <OerHeks> !ot | oldcomputers
[04:22] <oldcomputers> until my buddy the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER has time to DDoS ALL THE BOTS!!!!
[04:22] <wyseguy> hey OerHeks, so im still trying to figure out this radeon card... so i know its using the radeon driver but the screen still glitches, any thoughts?
[04:23] <oldcomputers> The Flying Soaghetti Monster says, "thou shalt have no bots against me"
[04:23] <dancingdemon> ancingdemon@DdEQbros]:(50.7Mb)~$ python --version
[04:23] <dancingdemon> Python 2.7.12
[04:23] <OerHeks> oldcomputers, take it elsewhere please, you are annoying
[04:23] <oldcomputers> !ops By order of his holiness the Flying Spaghetti Monster, remove the bots!
[04:23] <wyseguy> oldcomputers, what are you even talking about? lol
[04:24] <oldcomputers> Or the wrath of the noodle shall be unleashed!
[04:24] <DalekSec> wyseguy: Best to ignore him, just trying to make a scene.
[04:24] <OerHeks> dancingdemon, try python3 --version
[04:24] <dancingdemon> yeah but the script I'm running is on python 2.7
[04:24] <wyseguy> DalekSec, figured so lol
[04:24] <dancingdemon> Oerheks are you familiar with python?
[04:24] <dancingdemon> I was having some scripts that worked fine for me
[04:24] <oldcomputers> wyseguy: the flying spaghetti monster of course
[04:25] <wyseguy> oldcomputers, cool story bro, tell me more
[04:25] <oldcomputers> haven't you heard of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
[04:25] <dancingdemon> after installing this package which automatically updated some stuff, the new script worked but the old ones keep saying
[04:25] <dancingdemon> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/1e8ZS7LR5gmgZNqAm5L4/
[04:26] <OerHeks> dancingdemon, ubuntu is updated to python 3, though python2 is still available, i have no clue for that pyopenssl version
[04:26] <oldcomputers> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *  N | O | O | D | L | E | S  * * * * * * *
[04:26] <oldcomputers> * * * * * *  N | O | O | D | L | E | S  * * * * * *
[04:27] <OerHeks> maybe the guys in #python can help you rewrite/update old scripts, i don't
[04:28] <zengxubin> office can not open
[04:29] <oldcomputers> OerHeks: thx
[04:29] <oldcomputers> for mentioning a large channel i forgot about
[04:29] <oldcomputers> i shall preach the will of the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER there!!!!
[04:32] <milkman> hi
[04:33] <milkman> Anyone going to Defcon this year?
[04:33] <computer> hello people, how can i sftp a whole directory?
[04:33] <orlock>  -r
[04:34] <milkman> The god of wine has arrived !
[04:34] <milkman> Funny.. I was going to use that nick
[04:35] <phunyguy> milkman: do you have an ubuntu support question?  This is a support channel.  Offtopic chatter is in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[04:35] <milkman> oooohhh... Ok. Thank you. Sorry have not been in irc for 10 years
[04:36] <phunyguy> no worries ☺
[04:39] <AndChat164736> HP printer is not printing
[04:40] <hemangpatel> How can i see only last lines of file without opening whole file ?
[04:40] <hemangpatel> I know tail -f but it read whole file
[04:46] <skinux> In WiFi config, should Ubuntu detect BSSID and Device?
[04:46] <SpaghettiMonster> Hello
[04:46] <SpaghettiMonster> check out ##TheFlyingSpaghettiMonster
[04:51] <computer> hello people, how can i sftp a whole directory?
[04:51] <dax> sftp -r
[04:52] <florion> hello, need some help as a new linux user
[04:52] <computer> dax: oh ok thanks
[04:52] <ahrc333ff> florion: how can we help?
[04:52] <florion> i'm confused about the /root and /home partitions that i have
[04:53] <ahrc333ff> florion: Okay. So, during install of Ubuntu did you choose to have a separate home partition?
[04:53] <ahrc333ff> Just want to make sure you're not confusing directory structure with partitions.
[04:54] <florion> I have an extended partition 4 which has 2 sub partitions within it. 1 called ext part 5 mounted at /home ( 25gb 49% full)
[04:54] <florion> as well as ext part 6 mounted at filesystem room ( 104gb 7% full)
[04:55] <florion> downloading steam games only goes to the home drive
[04:55] <florion> and it fills up so quickly...
[04:55] <florion> nothing is going to the larger partition
[04:57] <ahrc333ff> Okay, so, basically what you did was this: In windows, when you have a partition you typically see it as a C:, D:, E: drive, etc.
[04:57] <ahrc333ff> In Linux, rather t han mounting a drive to a drive letter by default, it's mounted to a folder
[04:58] <ahrc333ff> You can actually do that in Windows as well.
[04:58] <moshunanren> hi
[04:58] <florion> but how can i download stuff into the root folder and not the home folder
[04:58] <ahrc333ff> But, basically, if your OS is installed on /dev/sda1 and you format that, but your /home/ folder is on /dev/sda2, all of your user files will be preserved
[04:58] <moshunanren> anyone working with python?
[04:59] <ahrc333ff> florion: the root folder is 'owned' by the root user, which is disabled by default in Ubuntu. It is also accessible by the super users group, sudoers. So, youd have to invoke superuser privileges.
[04:59] <florion> oh ok
[05:00] <florion> so if i put steam into my root folder and pull it out of my home folder, i can download games to it?
[05:00] <ahrc333ff> florion: so, if for example you were using the command line program 'wget' to download a file to a folder owned by a superuser, like /root, you might do the following: sudo wget http://www.imaginarydomain.com/imaginaryfile.zip while in the root directory
[05:00] <florion> after i sign in
[05:00] <ahrc333ff> florion: you do not need root access for steam to the best of my knowledge.
[05:01] <skinux>  I need some help getting wireless to work on 16.04
[05:01] <moshunanren> do u know of a python channel?
[05:01] <ahrc333ff> florion: Also, I highly suggest that you just download SteamOS if you're new and want to use Linux for gaming. It will simplify your life.
[05:01] <skinux> BSSID and Device settings are empty, I think that's why it won't even try connecting.
[05:01] <ahrc333ff> moshanunren: yes, #python
[05:01] <moshunanren> thank you
[05:02] <ahrc333ff> skinux: can you confirm that the driver module is loading for the wireless device?
[05:02] <skinux> I don't know how.
[05:03] <florion> im just confused because yeah i have steam and when i try to download it wants to only put it in the home folder but there isnt enough space so i cant download
[05:03] <florion> but my root folder is 97% free
[05:03] <ahrc333ff> skinux: do you have internet connection on that device? perhaps through LAN?
[05:03] <skinux> Nah.
[05:04] <ahrc333ff> florion: root probably doesn't have it's own partition. it's probably sharing the partition with the main OS
[05:04] <moshunanren> ok so how do i register my name
[05:04] <ahrc333ff> and the partition sizes are assuredly different
[05:04] <ahrc333ff> !register | moshunanren
[05:05] <florion> ok thanks ahrc!!!
[05:05] <ahrc333ff> skinux: that makes things more challening. lol. type $ ifconfig
[05:06] <ahrc333ff> florion: fdisk --list will show your partitions
[05:07] <skinux> It has Ethernet (enp2s2) and loopback (lo)
[05:07] <ahrc333ff> okay, ethernet enp2s2 is probably your physical NIC
[05:07] <ahrc333ff> $ lspci
[05:08] <skinux> And what am I looking for?
[05:08] <ahrc333ff> things like ethernet, NIC, wireless
[05:08] <florion> lol im so lost. fdisk --list in commant line shows this............. fdisk cannot open /dev/ram0 permission denied
[05:08] <ahrc333ff> florion: $ sudo fdisk --list
[05:08] <skinux> It shows nothing about wireless
[05:08] <skinux> I shows about Ethernet...shows about USB ports
[05:09] <reisio> florion: what're you trying to do with fdisk?
[05:09] <florion> ok yeah it shows 2 linux partitions dev/sda5 and 6
[05:10] <florion> theres also a linux swap
[05:10] <ahrc333ff> skinux: sounds like there may not be a wireless driver installed. having you use lsmod and modinfo, etc. is a bit harder without access to the internet for a pastebin
[05:10] <ahrc333ff> skinux: is this a physical computer or a virtual machine?
[05:11] <skinux> Physical
[05:11] <skinux> I just did a fresh install, Ubuntu has the whole disk
[05:11] <ahrc333ff> florion: yes, that sounds right. /dev/sda5 is probably the main OS /,  and /dev/sda6 is probably the /home.  The swap file is like the windows paging file. It's temporary storage space.
[05:11] <ahrc333ff> skinux: which version?
[05:11] <skinux> 16.04
[05:12] <florion> thanks for all the help! g2g
[05:14] <NeueMann> Hi, I'm having this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/804296/ubuntu-mate-is-getting-the-wrong-ip-address
[05:14] <ahrc333ff> skinux: do you know what kind of wireless card is in there?
[05:14] <skinux> It's a USB adapter
[05:16] <ahrc333ff> oh, okay
[05:16] <ahrc333ff> $ lsusb
[05:16] <ahrc333ff> do you see anything about a wireless card there?
[05:17] <skinux> Yeah, it sees NetGear Wireless-N 300
[05:17] <ahrc333ff> okay, great. So, it's at least recognizing that the USB device is plugged in.
[05:17] <dancingdemon> what is the right pyopenssl to match with openssl 1.0.2 ?
[05:17] <dancingdemon> i have this error
[05:18] <skinux> Yeah. I changed port it was connected to, that may have made a difference.
[05:18] <dancingdemon> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/3HTBJic5C5mxk7625ZjA/
[05:18] <ahrc333ff> skinux: if you just did that, can you repeat ifconfig and see if it now shows up?
[05:18] <ahrc333ff> $ ifconfig
[05:18] <skinux> No difference
[05:21] <Triffid_Hunter> NeueMann: sounds like you've set your ethernet to manual IP configuration
[05:22] <ahrc333ff> skinux: does this show additional entries? $ ifconfig -a
[05:22] <ahrc333ff> If not, unplug the USB adapter, plug it back in, and then type: $ dmesg | tail
[05:22] <skinux> No
[05:23] <NeueMann> Triffid_Hunter that's what I thought but everything I've tried doesn't seem to bring it back to auto.
[05:23] <Mr_Hales> I have Ubuntu 16.04 LTS installed in VirtualBox. Ubuntu Software center is really unresponsive. I search and it just spins. I had 6 updates, I clicked install. Progress bars showed up on all 6, they seem to have installed near as I can tell, but now the updates tab is just spinning. What should I check first?
[05:24] <skinux> It sees it
[05:24] <ahrc333ff> dmesg does? can  you type waht it says for me?
[05:25] <ahrc333ff> skinux: as an aside, it's really not usually an issue getting things like this working on Ubuntu o_0 sorry about your luck.
[05:26] <skinux> Remote Download Wireless Adapter SerialNumber 113 USB disconnect device number 5 new high speed usb device number  using ehci-pci idvendor 0896  idproduct 9020 new device strings Mrf=1 Product =2 SerialNumber=3 Manufaturer: Broadcom
[05:28] <ahrc333ff> skinux: so it looks like we need to get the correct broadcom driver for the device. any chance you can hook it up with ethernet?
[05:28] <skinux> I can download it here and copy it over.
[05:29] <ahrc333ff> skinux: ehternet would make this much easier as you should be able to use the apt-get system to download the driver, and probably installt he kernal module as part of one command
[05:30] <ahrc333ff> if it's possible, would be worth the wire. haha
[05:30] <skinux> The router is in a different room.
[05:33] <ahrc333ff> skinux: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/misc/
[05:33] <ahrc333ff> ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[05:35] <Triffid_Hunter> ndiswrapper is still a thing? wow
[05:35] <dax> unfortunately
[05:36] <ahrc333ff> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, I'd hoped that driver issues like this wouldn't exist anymore in Ubuntu o_0
[05:38] <Triffid_Hunter> ahrc333ff: well it's broadcom, they seem to enjoy antagonizing the linux community which is why I'm surprised the RPi guys went with them
[05:38] <ahrc333ff> skinux: when you've got all that, you'll also need the windows driver. ndiswrapper will help turn it into something that linux kernel cna use. http://downloadcenter.netgear.com/en/product/WNA3100#searchResults
[05:39] <ahrc333ff> Triffd_Hunter: haha. yes, that's unfortunate. NVIDIA was there for a while, too. But, I think Valve might have compelled them to shape up a bit recently
[05:40] <ahrc333ff> skinux: honestly though, I'd suggest one of the many linux-compatible wireless devices. you'll have to repeat this process almost anytime anything goes wrong with an install. system updates might wipe it all, etc.
[05:41] <Triffid_Hunter> ahrc333ff: well nvidia at least try to provide a half decent linux driver while honouring the mountain of legal stuff that apparently prevents them helping the nouveau guys much
[05:41] <ahrc333ff> Triffid_Hunter: A for effort I suppose.
[05:41] <Triffid_Hunter> ahrc333ff: broadcom literally gives zero spoons, usually just ignores everyone, and occasionally just tells people to go away
[05:42] <Triffid_Hunter> "oh you bought it from dell? ask dell for your driver.."
[05:42] <ahrc333ff> Triffid_Hunter: lol. that's a terrible experience I haven't had to deal with, fortuantely.
[05:43] <skinux> ahrc333ff: I have Ethernet connected
[05:43] <Triffid_Hunter> everything in my laptop works perfectly in linux except the fingerprint reader which is apparently on the far side of some broadcom TPS module which they refuse to help anyone write a driver for in any way
[05:43] <ahrc333ff> skinux: do you have an internet connection?
[05:43] <Mrokii> Hello. This is a Kubuntu-question but upto now I didn't get an answer in #Kubuntu, so... Does anybody know how I can assign tags to files in Dolphin? I see the column, but I don't see any way to actually assign tags.
[05:44] <reisio> Mrokii: can ask #kde, too
[05:44] <skinux> I tried to bring it up, it says unknown interface
[05:44] <Mrokii> reisio: Ah, okay, I'll try, thanks.
[05:45] <ahrc333ff> skinux: $ ifconfig <- doesn't show an IP address, etc?
[05:45] <skinux> No it doesn't.
[05:46] <ahrc333ff> $ lspci | grep -i eth
[05:47] <skinux> It sees it that way
[05:47] <ahrc333ff> $ dmesg | grep -i eth <-- will show if it's noting the connection
[05:47] <Mr_Hales> I have Ubuntu 16.04 LTS installed in VirtualBox. Ubuntu Software center is really unresponsive. I search and it just spins. I had 6 updates, I clicked install. Progress bars showed up on all 6, they seem to have installed near as I can tell, but now the updates tab is just spinning. What should I check first?
[05:48] <skinux> Definitely sees it
[05:48] <ahrc333ff> does it say something about the connection being up?
[05:48] <ahrc333ff> and, are the lights on on the NIC card itself?
[05:48] <skinux> Nah
[05:48] <skinux> says enp2s2 is renamed from eth0
[05:48] <computer> dax: i tried sftp -r but it did not work, how should i write the command?
[05:49] <ahrc333ff> skinux: $ sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a
[05:50] <skinux> Permission denied for lock file ifstate.lo
[05:51] <ahrc333ff> skinux: i'd just try to reboot
[05:54] <computer> people i am trying to sftp a directory, i tried sftp -r but it did not work, how should i write the command?
[05:55] <\9> computer: please elaborate what does "did not work" mean
[05:55] <\9> computer: post the exact command used and output generated using a paste service
[05:56] <computer> Unable to canonicalize path
[05:56] <computer> \9: o 1 moment
[05:57] <computer> \9: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/397187/71826146/
[05:57] <skinux> I restarted and enp2s2 still has no ip
[05:57] <tacomon_> [Chuy] [realname] I restarted and enp2s2 still has no ip
[05:57] <reisio> computer: why're you trying to "sftp" a directory?
[05:58] <computer> reisio: i am going to run a computation and the file structures have to be preserved
[05:59] <ahrc333ff> skinux: sorry man, this is hard for me to do here without being able to physically see output.
[05:59] <ahrc333ff> the internal NIC should be working
[05:59] <\9> computer: pretty sure you don't use '-r' in the put command
[05:59] <computer> \9: so how to is write the command?
[05:59] <ahrc333ff> skinux: can you attempt $ sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a
[05:59] <\9> try with just 'put', and if that doesn't work then try 'mput'
[05:59] <reisio> computer: things with 'ftp' in their name are kind of for cavemen from the past
[06:00] <reisio> computer: use rsync -a over ssh, or sshfs with rsync, etc.
[06:00] <\9> rsync would be more preserving indeed
[06:00] <computer> \9: put and mput both do not work, i get the same error
[06:00] <reisio> in an incredibly rudimentary environment, you could lean on scp instead, but don't do that
[06:01] <computer> how do i use rsync?
[06:01] <\9> computer: hmm i stand corrected, looks like it is "put -r" but the destination has to exist first http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7004/uploading-directories-with-sftp
[06:01] <skinux> Still no ip
[06:01] <\9> anyway rsync is still the better choice
[06:01] <ahrc333ff> skinux: $ lspci -v
[06:02] <computer> \9: hmmm ok let me try again
[06:02] <reisio> computer: rsync -av local/dir/ user@host:optional/path/new/dir/
[06:02] <ahrc333ff> you should be able to see if the etherneet card has loaded a driver module
[06:02] <computer> ok \9 reisio let me try both
[06:02] <computer> 1 moment
[06:02] <ahrc333ff> if it has, i'll have you try to manually configure the NIC
[06:02] <skinux> 8139too
[06:02] <\9> i would also suggest the use of --checksum with rsync to make sure the files transfer over the network correctly
[06:03] <reisio> the only reason I'm aware of to treat ssh as ftp is if you are 500,000 years old and want all of your ftp knowledge to not be what it actually is: irrelevant
[06:03] <ahrc333ff> skinux: 8139too is the module/driver being used?
[06:03] <skinux> That's the kernel driver for the ethernet
[06:03] <Triffid_Hunter> computer: why not use sshfs?
[06:03] <ahrc333ff> kk
[06:03] <ahrc333ff> cd /etc/network
[06:04] <ahrc333ff> sudo cp interfaces interfaces.bak
[06:04] <reisio> sshfs is great, but it doesn't actually transfer things
[06:04] <reisio> plus, already suggested (+rsync)
[06:04] <skinux> ok
[06:04] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: why you gotta hate on the plants? :p
[06:04] <Triffid_Hunter> reisio: it not transferring everything is one of my favourite things about it :P
[06:06] <dax> > 05:59 < reisio> computer: things with 'ftp' in their name are kind of for cavemen from the past
[06:06] <ahrc333ff> sudo nano interfaces --> add the following 2 lines: auto enp2s2 <new line> iface enp2s2 inet dhcp
[06:06] <dax> sftp is unrelated to ftp
[06:06] <dax> other than that it also transfers files
[06:06] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: that's hard to parse, but I agree sshfs is loverly
[06:06] <reisio> dax: that's precisly why I worded it that way
[06:07] <reisio> and also precisely
[06:07] <ahrc333ff> skinux: if you keep having trouble, I"d consider installing 14.04 and seeing if things work. this is really an uncommon occurence ethese days to have t his much trouble with an out of the box ubuntu install.
[06:07] <computer> oki tried put -r but it is not working, i am unable to understand how to formulate the command, i tried rsync but it copied the directory into my computer
[06:07] <reisio> since "sftp" is unrelated to "ftp", it is a pointless facade
[06:07]  * dax blinks
[06:07] <ahrc333ff> skinux: to clarify, the wireless almost certainly won't work out of the box. but the wired s houdl at least
[06:07] <reisio> and one should just use ssh in more ordinary ways
[06:07] <Triffid_Hunter> I've never used sftp before, just ssh, scp and sshfs
[06:07] <skinux> Yeah
[06:07] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: 'cause you aren't an ancient person :D
[06:07] <skinux> Do I need to reboot the computer now?
[06:07] <ahrc333ff> done?
[06:07] <Triffid_Hunter> scp is pretty clunky though, prefer rsync for anything but the most basic stuff
[06:08] <reisio> skinux: the only reason to really reboot is to do a simple kernel update
[06:08] <reisio> and even for that you don't technically _have_ to reboot
[06:08] <Triffid_Hunter> reisio: heh, kexecing into a new kernel sounds somewhat terrifying, haven't tried that yet
[06:08] <ahrc333ff> skinux: no, just do $ sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a
[06:09] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: don't, kexec is old already :) try livepatch
[06:09] <Triffid_Hunter> reisio: ah apparently I'm out of touch
[06:09] <computer> dax: \9 i tried rsync -av home/computer/Desktop/HBsAg pi@192.168.1.111:/home did not work
[06:09] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: the obscurity of that particular area is probably related to its relative pointlessness
[06:09] <reisio> Triffid_Hunter: after all, you need redundant systems to have 100% uptime anyway
[06:10] <reisio> no amount of avoidance of rebooting will replace that requirement
[06:10] <reisio> and if you have redundant servers, rebooting isn't an issue
[06:10] <reisio> still, cute stuff
[06:10] <reisio> particularly for insta-patches of incredibly scary bugs
[06:10] <skinux> Is it supposed to be doing DHCPDISCOVER on the "mask" IP?
[06:12] <ahrc333ff> skinux: if you mnean when you do an ifconfig, mine doesn't do that
[06:12] <ahrc333ff> but, do you have an ip address now?
[06:12] <ahrc333ff> and, did you confirmt hat there is a physical connection (ie.. lights blinking in back on the NIC)
[06:13] <skinux> Nah, after ifup -a it keeps doing DHCPDISCOVER to 255.255.255.255
[06:15] <ahrc333ff> so, it doens't even igve you a 192.168* address at all?
[06:15] <skinux> Nah, just gave me a 169* IP
[06:15] <computer> dax: \9 reisio i don't know what else to do, i ran out of ideas on how to write the commands
[06:15] <KekSi> does anyone know of a tool that'l let me do 'reversehttp'? i can really only find the tool (by exactly that name).. but it's written in erlang and hasn't been maintained in *ages*
[06:16] <KekSi> what i'm trying to do is open a connection from a closed network to a (public) webserver that proxies to the webserver inside the closed net
[06:16] <ahrc333ff> skinux: for some reason it's not talking to your router then. If you've got a driver, and there is an IP, then it's not physically talking to router
[06:16] <skinux> Yeah
[06:16] <KekSi> sadly the network is out of my hands and i can't do it with firewall rules
[06:16] <skinux> I'm done with it
[06:17] <ahrc333ff> skinux: i'd double check all physical connections. you can also manually set /etc/network/interfaces with a static ip, gateway, etc.
[06:17] <ahrc333ff> those would be the last things i'd do. whats going on with wireless is a pain in the butt, but a problem with the broadcom hardware. the NIC just doesn't make sense. soemthing is wrong there.
[06:28] <mrrobot_> hola
[06:28] <Bribrid> Hola
[06:28] <tyrell> Hey
[06:28] <Bribrid> Q buscas?
[06:29] <mrrobot_> estoy probando las herramientas
[06:29] <OerHeks> hi mrrobot_, english only please
[06:29] <mrrobot_> yes
[06:30] <Bribrid> Herramientas para que?
[06:30] <OerHeks> !es
[06:30] <mrrobot_> ok no sabia soy nuevo
[06:30] <mrrobot_> saludos a todos
[06:31] <Blue1> pardon a me -- pero no se hablamos su idioma esta aqui.  lo siento.
[06:32] <Bribrid> Learn spanish to understand open you education
[06:35] <candu> m
[06:35] <Blue1> Bribrid: I'd love to.
[06:44] <cebuboy> aw
[06:58] <pine64> how can i set srait boot without password or sel users ?
[07:06] <lukas_> i can't install httrack .. can anyone help me?
[07:07] <cheapie> lukas_: What does it do/not do?
[07:07] <lukas_>  
[07:07] <lukas_>  /bin/mkdir -p '/usr/local/lib'
[07:07] <lukas_>  /bin/bash ../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c   libhttrack.la libhtsjava.la '/usr/local/lib'
[07:07] <lukas_> libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c .libs/libhttrack.so.2.0.48 /usr/local/lib/libhttrack.so.2.0.48
[07:07] <lukas_> Makefile:526: die Regel für Ziel „install-libLTLIBRARIES“ scheiterte
[07:07] <lukas_> make[2]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Fehler 1
[07:08] <cheapie> ...and that's why you're not supposed to paste directly into the channel.
[07:08] <OerHeks> !paste
[07:09] <cheapie> OK, now that that's over... why are you wanting to compile it? Is it not available in the repos?
[07:09] <lukas_> http://hastebin.com/adibijavig.cmake
[07:10] <cheapie> lukas_: There is an "httrack" package available in universe. "sudo apt-get install httrack" should do the trick if you don't need anything special.
[07:10] <lukas_> oh ;D Thanks :D
[07:10] <cheapie> lukas_: As far as the actual problem, try re-running the last command you did, but with sudo.
[07:10] <cheapie> (or use apt-get if that'll work for you - it's a better idea, usually)
[07:11] <YankDownUnder> ...kinda like watching someone try to cut down a tree with a butter knife...
[07:13] <cheapie> YankDownUnder: I'll give them instructions on butter knife usage if they want, as long as they at least somewhat know it's considered bad practice.
[07:13] <mike-zal> Does someone here has an idea about good linux gaming laptop for 1200-1500 dollars? And I mean some more mainstream models, because system76 and other specialized companies rather don't ship to my country or it may be troublesome (also with service)
[07:13] <YankDownUnder> mike-zal: In Australia, it's against the law to have laptops. ;)
[07:13] <Abe_> there a reason why kazam is not recording Audio?
[07:14] <cheapie> mike-zal: Linux's hardware support is to the point now where pretty much any computer that's not too strange should work well enough.
[07:15] <Abe_> I check marked "sound from speakers" but no sound. anybody experience with kazam?
[07:15] <cheapie> mike-zal: Since you're looking at gaming laptops, you probably won't have to deal with the oddball stuff (Bay Trail, I2C, etc.) often seen at the very low end.
[07:15] <mike-zal> yeah, but msi laptops are no go. lenovo produces crap and Y7000 is not good machine (bad power plugin).
[07:16] <Serg_Penguin> hi ! I run long-running scripts and log from them. How can i make log events 'erase' or 'close' previous ones of inferior severity, leaving only heavy errors and incompletions ? i.e. full log is verbose, after processing by some utility - only severe and incomplete ?
[07:16] <Serg_Penguin> and what is apropriate channel for this ?
[07:16] <YankDownUnder> Abe_: Check the wiki for Kazam => https://launchpad.net/kazam
[07:16] <cheapie> mike-zal: At this point, you probably want to ignore the "linux" part of your search and just look for a good gaming laptop.
[07:17] <YankDownUnder> Serg_Penguin: #ubuntu-server
[07:17] <mike-zal> I'm looking now into ASUS GL752VW which in some configurations has pretty all what I need (a bit better GOU whould be nicer thou but nvidia 960 will do). contacted with asus support and they said that secure boot should be possible to turn off without problems although I saw sites that claimed otherwise. also saw sites that say that linux works on it so I got different informations
[07:17] <mike-zal> GOU=GPU*
[07:18] <mike-zal> aside questions: does linux has suport for lightened keyboards?
[07:18] <Abe_> Optionally you can record sound from any sound input device that is supported and visible by PulseAudio.
[07:19] <YankDownUnder> Abe_: https://launchpad.net/kazam
[07:19] <cheapie> I think it's possible to install Ubuntu on a secure boot machine, IIRC.
[07:19] <OerHeks> kazam .. try changing it from Monitor Built-in Audio to just Built-In Audio. That should fix your problem.
[07:19] <mike-zal> I heard rumors that supposedly secure boot able distros not always digest some secure boot machines
[07:19] <Abe_> it is. my headset is even listed in kazam but no sound when recording. I have to keep trying thx.
[07:20] <Abe_> build in audio, i actually need the sound of my headset but I will give it a try thank you
[07:22] <ironhoof> I just installed that went fine all good. Then I rebooted thats was all goof too it started up all nice. Then I did updates reboot and it froze. I just into the boot entry and remove quite splash and reboooted again and it keeps freezing just as its starting 'Load/Save screen backlight brightness of leds:dell::kbd_backlight...' It then respond to nothing except a power off this machine ran fine on 14.04.
[07:23] <root> hi there
[07:23] <YankDownUnder> !root
[07:23] <sonu_nk> hi i am using ftp to connect with my server via sftp. i can connect it with my one system using root user but when i am trying to connect it on another pc same network, it is not connecting..
[07:24] <Guest775> first time in irc for me
[07:24] <OerHeks> YankDownUnder, !rootirc
[07:24] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: Thanks...my level of "care" is about as empty as my coffee cup ;)
[07:25] <Abe_> YankDownUnder: thx but I know what kazam is
[07:25] <Triffid_Hunter> sonu_nk: try scp, rsync, sshfs, etc.. they work better
[07:26] <sonu_nk> Triffid_Hunter: winScp..
[07:26] <sonu_nk> ?
[07:26] <Abe_> no doesn't want to somehow
[07:27] <sonu_nk> Triffid_Hunter: i am using FileZilla
[07:27] <Triffid_Hunter> sonu_nk: oh you're on windows? no idea then, windows is hard mode
[07:28] <sonu_nk> but i am trying to connect ubuntu server
[07:31] <Abe_> has it something to do with kde? i think kde is using gstreamer instead of pulseaudio and thats why it's not recording maybe?
[07:33] <ironhoof> The only thing I can do now is drop down to root terminal from recover mode, anything else that tries to initialize locks up.
[07:41] <Abe_> i installed pulseaudio but still no success, crap i try something else
[07:50] <Abe_> is there a .deb file for simple creen recorder i wanna try this. but i don't want to add a repo for this actually
[07:54] <Kikko354> Hello Jack
[07:54] <Kikko354> Hi gregL
[08:02] <ironhoof> Is there a way to make it ask as it loads each item one at a time to find the culprit?
[08:03] <Abe_> ok got it finally
[08:04] <crazyhorse18> is there anyway so that if i click on terminal every single window comes to the foreground
[08:04] <crazyhorse18> instead of this fade in make me select one interface.. i hate it.. and it makes it really difficult to jump find / select windows
[08:11] <crazyhorse18> anyone.. this is driving me crazy
[08:25] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: can't you use multiple workspaces, instead of having so many windows on one screen in the first place?
[08:29] <brym> morning all. just got the notification to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04. does that mean amd drivers are properly supported now?
[08:29] <ducasse> brym: still no fglrx, if that's what you mean.
[08:30] <brym> oh well, cheers.
[08:34] <ironhoof> I dont know what to do, im poking around journalctl which is new to me examining everything... PCCT header not found. looks that up.
[08:41] <crazyhorse18> ducasse: it's not so many it's only 7
[08:41] <crazyhorse18> 7 terminal windows with different stuff in them... it's so difficult trying to actually switch from one to the other
[08:42] <shredding> hey
[08:42] <crazyhorse18> i have to click on terminal, click a window, then click again then click another.. I much prefer both the OSX / windows model of treating each running instance of an application as a separate app in regards to what shows on the dock/startmenu
[08:43] <shredding> i'm moving into my own flat and this time I can't screw up digitalizing everything again because my wife is pretty much in hate with the current setup.
[08:43] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: that's many enough to split them up over several workspaces, that's what workspaces are for.
[08:43] <shredding> does anyone know good sources for setting up an awesome digitalized home (media server) with ubuntu?
[08:43] <crazyhorse18> ducasse, I don't really like using workspaces with multiple monitors
[08:44] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: depends on how the wm handles it, i use i3 and love the way workspaces and monitors are handled. that's a tiling wm, though.
[08:45] <crazyhorse18> ducasse, ok so lets say you have two large screens
[08:45] <crazyhorse18> you then end up with workspaces that splits into 4  on both screens
[08:46] <crazyhorse18> it's not like each screen is independant.. so for example  lets say   workspace a) has sublime   b) has webbrowser  c) has terminal windows  and e)has smartgit
[08:47] <crazyhorse18> there's no way of having sublime occupy monitor 1 and toggling between b) browser   and c) terminal on monitor 2
[08:48] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: blame freedesktop.org, that was their decision. some wm's don't follow their guidelines, though, allowing you to do just that.
[08:48] <crazyhorse18> the way i get around it in OSX.. is that when you click on terminal.. the terminal windows are positioned over the webbrowser so they just position over the top
[08:49] <crazyhorse18> and i could fix this in ubuntu.. if there was a way to change the behaviour so that if i click on something in the dock.. it brings all of that application windows to the foreground
[08:51] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: iirc, kde has a setting to do that. or it had, haven't tried it in ages.
[08:51] <ironhoof> been too long at this 7 hour straight. I'll try again later.
[08:52] <crazyhorse18> ducasse, yeah.. i'm unity though, and have been since 2008.. i'm not sure i want to change
[08:53] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: *shrugs* just a suggestion. make a feature request, then. or better, provide a patch :)
[08:53] <blip-> hi all, I noticed that my work PC didn't autolock today because the xscreensaver didn't start - i guess because an Ubuntu Error window had come up at some point.  Why would a simple pop up window prevent screensaver from starting ?  what's happening under the scenes ?
[08:54] <EriC^^> blip-: next time it comes up press on details
[08:55] <EriC^^> blip-: maybe the screensaver daemon segfaulted or something
[08:55] <blip-> aah
[08:56] <crazyhorse18> ducasse, how do you make feature requests?
[08:56] <sveinse> Hi. I'm dual booting a 16.04 desktop between running in VB (from Windows) and native boot. For some reason X is now crashing after login, but switching back to console view, just gives garbled graphics. How can I boot 16.04 into text mode only?
[08:56] <crazyhorse18> ducasse, ubuntu has a ticketing system somewhere?
[08:57] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: i assume on launchpad.
[08:57] <crazyhorse18> i'll check it out, thanks
[08:57] <ducasse> crazyhorse18: don't know how to make feature requests, but see the bugtracker.
[09:03] <Abe_> ok, i found a really good screen recorder for ubuntu, not kazam or simple screen recorder they kinda lag a little, vokoscreen seems to have the best performance makes good pictures and remind's me a little of fraps.
[09:12] <kukku> right way to install xfce on ubuntu16.04       installl xubuntu-desktop  or install xfce4  ????
[09:13] <ducasse> xubuntu-desktop installs _everything_, with several applications. for just the desktop i imagine you use xubuntu-core.
[09:14] <pawiecki> Hello! :) I have two problems: 1. I dont' have dns set up in Lubuntu 14.04; 2. I want to add 'dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4' to '/etc/network/interfaces' but there's nothing about eth0 interface, only two lines about loopback. What should i do?
[09:16] <ducasse> pawiecki: are you using network manager to configure networking?
[09:17] <pawiecki> I'm not sure - the system was set up by someone else. It's a regular Lubuntu, but I have only ssh access.
[09:17] <pawiecki> ducasse: ^
[09:18] <ducasse> pawiecki: add the nameservers to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[09:19] <ducasse> pawiecki: _or_ use /etc/network/interfaces to configure networking
[09:19] <feodoran> hi, my vpn keeps disconnecting. is there somewhere a log or something to figure out why?
[09:20] <pawiecki> ducasse: ok, thanks :)
[09:38] <fukinoodles> Is there any way to make Nautilus behave like before when opening multiple windows? Right now it opens in a separate launcher icon for each instance.
[09:40] <soupnanodesukar> how to install qt 5.7.0 in ubuntu 16.04?
[09:40] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: does your de have globbing?
[09:41] <ducasse> !latest | soupnanodesukar
[09:42] <soupnanodesukar> :-( I know that.
[09:42] <fukinoodles> soupnanodesukar
[09:42] <fukinoodles> soupanodesukar what is that
[09:42] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: globbing is putting all instances of a program under one icon.
[09:43] <FManTropyx> where can I get a notification, when I can try automatic release upgrade?
[09:44] <fukinoodles> soupnanodesukar yes
[09:44] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: turn it on, that's what you're looking for.
[09:46] <fukinoodles> Also can I make it open separate partition under the same icon like it used to?
[09:46] <ducasse> soupnanodesukar: if you need a newer qt, then wait for yakkety and upgrade to that, or install it manually in a vm or container.
[09:47] <soupnanodesukar> ducasse: oh I didn't think of a container. thanks.
[09:48] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: should be able to
[09:49] <pagios> hello
[09:49] <pagios> i installed windows10 then ubuntu now in grub i dont see windows 10 how can i fix that
[09:50] <soupnanodesukar> pagios: install os-prober if you have not already
[09:50] <pagios>  sudo os-prober  /dev/sda1:Windows 10 (loader):Windows:chain
[09:50] <pagios> soupnanodesukar:
[09:50] <pagios> thats its?
[09:51] <soupnanodesukar> pagios: yes, update-grub should detect your other OSes with it installed
[09:51] <rosgani> hi pagios, try sudo grub update
[09:51] <pagios> soupnanodesukar: i mean any additional steps or should i reboot now?
[09:52] <soupnanodesukar> pagios: update-grub then reboot
[09:52] <rosgani> :)
[09:53] <k1l> pagios: run "sudo update-grub"
[09:53] <rosgani> pagios: open terminal and then 'sudo update-grub"
[09:54] <rosgani> w/o collon
[09:54] <rosgani> then reboot
[09:54] <rosgani> hopes help
[09:56] <poorUser> hi! i just report a little issue, no sounds @boot, plugging and unplugging a jack in the headphones solves the problem. Does anyone know what could be? (16.04)
[09:58] <fukinoodles> Where is the gedit toolbar?
[09:58] <rosgani> poorUser: Try to click additional driver or driver manager,
[09:59] <k1l> fukinoodles: on the new versions of gedit the gnome guys did reduce the toolbar
[09:59] <poorUser> rosgani: no proprietary for the audio card :(
[09:59] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: toolbar? what do you need a window for? here's a terminal with nano.
[09:59] <rosgani> poorUser: oh i see
[09:59] <poorUser> rosgani: also just with this version only, i never had this problem
[10:00] <soupnanodesukar> poorUser: do you have mobo sound? might be better than a sound card.
[10:00] <poorUser> soupnanodesukar: yes it's a mobo chipset
[10:00] <fukinoodles> not everyone edits text in the terminal
[10:01] <TheHash> Hello every1
[10:01] <TheHash> I have 1 problem
[10:01] <fukinoodles> What are linux distros that can work with ubuntu's home partition?
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> fukinoodles: .. all of them?
[10:01] <jor> poorUser: is it the volume/mute setting?
[10:01] <ikonia> fukinoodles: you don't mix home partitions with any distro
[10:02] <fukinoodles> non debian based too?
[10:02] <jor> plugging in a jack/headphone does cause it to got back to your 'last' volume settings for that input
[10:02] <ikonia> fukinoodles: you don't mix home partitions between any distros
[10:02] <poorUser> the volume level is shown, muting and un-muting changes nothing, just plugging and un-plugging a jack solves
[10:03] <poorUser> or changing the volume
[10:03] <fukinoodles> Triffid_Hunter pls respond to what ikonia said
[10:03] <poorUser> in the device options i have only 1 device, so it should be automatically selected
[10:04] <poorUser> device : 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller
[10:04] <Triffid_Hunter> fukinoodles: a partition is just a place where a chunk of data lives, usually a filesystem.. filesystems have files. linux can read linux filesystems as long as the kernel isn't ancient, distro has nothing to do with that
[10:04] <k1l> fukinoodles: there is no guarantee that the home direcotries are exchangeable. different distros use different versions of programs and different sets of the settings. so you need to test that on your own.
[10:06] <fukinoodles> right thanks. i'm sick of ubuntu's bugs that don' get fixed for years. What should i try?
[10:06] <Triffid_Hunter> ah well that's another issue entirely, programs barfing on settings from another version of the same program is an issue with the program's configuration parser, not a problem with mounting filesystems
[10:06] <poorUser> jor: also if i boot with or without the jack plugged, no sound comes out, just that event bring me back the sound
[10:07] <k1l> Triffid_Hunter: i guess the question was more about the stuff inside the home, not the parition as such.
[10:07] <k1l> fukinoodles: well. then ask in ##linux
[10:07] <Triffid_Hunter> k1l: hard to tell sometimes, I usually just answer the question that's been asked and keep an eye out for XY questions
[10:08] <fukinoodles> Is there a decent nautilus alternative?
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> fukinoodles: I use gentoo on my work desktop, but wouldn't suggest it for beginners or anyone who's not willing to do some extra learning to get their system exactly how they want it
[10:09] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: yes, dolphin
[10:09] <ducasse> fukinoodles: thunar, or spacefm if you want something very configurable.
[10:09] <fukinoodles> Does dolphin have tabs? Or any other file manager have tabs?
[10:10] <soupnanodesukar> fukinoodles: yeah
[10:10] <k1l> fukinoodles: nautilus has tabs
[10:10] <fukinoodles> k1l how?
[10:10] <k1l> fukinoodles: ctrl+t
[10:10] <k1l> or right mouseclick and open in new tab
[10:11] <Triffid_Hunter> fukinoodles: yes dolphin has tabs
[10:11] <k1l> fukinoodles: come on. i guess you are caught in ranting and frustration and dont try the easiest things.
[10:11] <Triffid_Hunter> middle click to open stuff in new tab, just like all sensible web browsers
[10:12] <fukinoodles> k1l yeah I apologise for that. spent the whole day trying to install 16.04.1, always running into new problems, and now I see all the bugs I got rid of on the previous 14.04 install are still there and I have to search each issue again.
[10:13] <fukinoodles> tabbed browsing is great though idk how i missed that
[10:13] <k1l> fukinoodles: what bug exactly?
[10:14] <fukinoodles> Loads. Brightness sets back to 100% on startup, for one.
[10:15] <k1l> that happens through the bios i guess.
[10:15] <fukinoodles> There was some settings file edit I did last time. Gonna have to find that again.
[10:16] <k1l> http://askubuntu.com/questions/151651/brightness-is-reset-to-maximum-on-every-restart
[10:16] <k1l> i dont know which method you used last time
[10:20] <quackgyver> I'm running gparted with sudo gparted and have 5 gb of unallocated space and yet when I resize my partition it won't budge
[10:21] <quackgyver> It says I have 0 MB of free space and recommends I resize to the size it's already in in the resizing/moving popup window
[10:21] <quackgyver> And yet in the overview it shows 5 GB of unallocated space
[10:23] <k1l> quackgyver: can you show a screenshot of the gparted tab?
[10:23] <quackgyver> k1l: Sure, but what do you mean by tab?
[10:23] <k1l> "program"
[10:23] <quackgyver> Sure. One sec.
[10:24] <jkt_> Hey does anyone know who is in charge of the start.ubuntu project?
[10:25] <ikonia> start.ubuntu ?
[10:25] <quackgyver> k1l: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31719331/Junk/gparted.png
[10:26] <jkt_> ikonia: http://start.ubuntu.com/
[10:26] <k1l> quackgyver: you first need to "move" the extended partition behind the free space
[10:26] <soupnanodesukar> quackgyver: are you using a ssd?
[10:26] <ikonia> I have no idea what that even is
[10:26] <quackgyver> soupnanodesukar: Yes.
[10:26] <quackgyver> k1l: How do you mean?
[10:26] <soupnanodesukar> quackgyver: leave the space unused
[10:26] <soupnanodesukar> and look up "over-provisioning".
[10:27] <k1l> quackgyver: you can only enlarge the partitions if the unallocated space is directly next to the partition.
[10:27] <jkt_> ikonia: it's the default page for Firefox
[10:27] <ikonia> ahhhh
[10:27] <quackgyver> k1l: Okay, but I can't shift anything around in the visual panel.
[10:27] <ikonia> jkt_: there should be a project launchpad on it then (I'd assume)
[10:27] <k1l> quackgyver: so move the sda2 to the end of the disk. then enlarge the sda1
[10:28] <jkt_> ikonia: there is, there person assigned no longer works on it
[10:28] <quackgyver> Nor does the swap partition allow me to do anything to it as every option is grayed out
[10:28] <k1l> quackgyver: is this from the running system?
[10:28] <quackgyver> k1l: I can't do anything to sda2. Everything is grayed out.
[10:28] <quackgyver> Yes it's running.
[10:28] <ikonia> jkt_: are you trying to raise a bug/problem ?
[10:28] <k1l> quackgyver: you cant do that on the same system. you need to boot a live system for that
[10:28] <quackgyver> Oic. Someone said on Stacexchange that you could do it on a running system.
[10:28] <quackgyver> Guess that's the problem then?
[10:28] <quackgyver> Stack*
[10:28] <k1l> quackgyver: (because for resizing you need to unmount them. and that doesnt work on running system)
[10:29] <jkt_> ikonia: I spoke with chrisccoulson yesterday about looking at improving it, however he was looking for the person who ran the page. He just runs the addon.
[10:29] <quackgyver> k1l: Alright. Thanks a lot.
[10:29] <ikonia> jkt_: maybe wise to log a bug saying "enchancement" put it against the project and let the bug tracking team pick it up
[10:29] <ikonia> they should be able to dig out people quicker/easier
[10:29] <ikonia> (I'd hope)
[10:29] <jkt_> ikonia: good idea thanks
[10:30] <zetheroo> afaik it's possible to encrypt a partition after installation - correct?
[10:31] <akik> quackgyver: your extended partition sda2 is only 1 gigabyte. is that how you planned it?
[10:33] <quackgyver> akik: No idea.
[10:33] <quackgyver> I went with whatever was default.
[10:34] <akik> quackgyver: i usually have three primary partitions (1, 2 and 3) and then have 4 as the extended partition with more partitions under it
[10:34] <quackgyver> That's cool, but I only really use Ubuntu for localhosting certain projects and testing and such
[10:34] <quackgyver> Or when I need a nice and clean *nix OS for whatever reason
[10:35] <akik> oh ok it was only 12 gigabytes
[10:35] <quackgyver> so I think I just need a single partition with moderate space, aside from the swap partition
[10:35] <quackgyver> :)
[10:35] <Semanticfire_2> hi guys, I have a issue that ssh login doesn't use keyring UI anymore with a 16.04 fresh install
[10:44] <northway> Semanticfire_2: perhaps you using ssh-key?
[10:46] <blueway> is that dirty little cunt k1l here? that herpes whore likes to fucking play games with people on irc. maybe if she spent less time sucking cock she would not have gotten mouth herpes and gotten so angry. SAD!!!!!
[10:46] <Semanticfire_2> northway, I haven't configured anything specific other then on my 14.04 install
[10:47] <blueway> cunt you here
[10:47] <blueway> you sucking cock and not watching room?
[10:47] <ducasse> !ops | blueway
[10:48] <FManTropyx> so many ops
[10:48] <EriC^^> so many trolls
[10:48] <Guest19133> hi , i was installing ubuntu in windows currupted HDD.. and its not installing, so i boot system using usb with Ubuntu Try option and i can see my drives.. now issue is this my drive showing "Unable to access 167 volume,. Not Authorized to perform operation"" when i am trying to moung.. http://imgur.com/a/FThDN here is scrednhot
[10:48] <Guest19133> *screenshot
[10:49] <EriC^^> Guest19133: try to mount it from the terminal and see the error
[10:49] <EriC^^> do you know how?
[10:49] <northway> Semanticfire_2: but can you input the passphrase?
[10:52] <Guest19133> EriC^^: no please send me command
[10:52] <EriC^^> Guest19133: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:52] <EriC^^> \paste the link it gives you here
[10:53] <Guest19133> EriC^^: wht is need to run ' sudo parted -l ' and thenb ?
[10:53] <EriC^^> Guest19133: to get the list of disks and partitions
[10:53] <Guest19133> EriC^^: yes done, it is showing me logs
[10:54] <EriC^^> ok, type the paste to the link here
[10:55] <lichen__> chmod +x
[10:55] <Guest19133> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21389855/
[10:55] <EriC^^> Guest19133: it's 167gb right?
[10:55] <Guest19133> ys
[10:56] <lichen__> disconnect
[10:56] <EriC^^> Guest19133: you're missing like 120gb at the start of the disk btw
[10:56] <EriC^^> Guest19133: a partition there is missing or something
[10:56] <Guest19133> ok.. EriC^^ now ?
[10:57] <EriC^^> Guest19133: try sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[11:01] <Semanticfire_2> northway, on the command line yes, but I need to do it on every invocation now
[11:04] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: what kind of keys - which algorithm?
[11:05] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: you may be using ssh-agent instead, try adding the key to the agent with ssh-add.
[11:07] <sonu_nk> ergot:
[11:07] <sonu_nk> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21390341/
[11:07] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, well it seems I need to do that every time I login
[11:08] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: yes, that's how ssh-agent works...
[11:08] <Semanticfire_2> but why does 14.04 give me a nice dialog and 16.04 not ?
[11:09] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: have you installed ssh-askpass-gnome?
[11:09] <Semanticfire_2> yup
[11:10] <sonu_nk> hi i am running this sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt and result here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/21390341/ i am not able to mount my one drive
[11:10] <zombie> Hello
[11:11] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: maybe you need to disable ssh-agent to use the keyring, i've never used it. alternatively, install keychain to keep the ssh-agent key in memory while logged out, but understand how it works first.
[11:12] <Semanticfire_2> okay ssh-agent is indeed active
[11:12] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: i expect you're using that, then.
[11:14] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: you can disable it in /etc/X11/Xsession.options, but that will be effective for all users.
[11:15] <sonu_nk> hi i am facing this " Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk."
[11:15] <ducasse> sonu_nk: is it ntfs?
[11:16] <sonu_nk> ducasse: yes
[11:16] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, the setting is the same on my 14.04 machine
[11:16] <ducasse> sonu_nk: then run chkdsk in windows as the message says?
[11:16] <sonu_nk> ducasse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21389855/
[11:17] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: ok, what exactly do you want to achieve?
[11:19] <ducasse> sonu_nk: ...and did you run chkdsk?
[11:19] <sonu_nk> i am ubuntu try option booting using USB this time.
[11:20] <ducasse> sonu_nk: it won't make any difference if the fs is unclean.
[11:20] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, when I access a remote SSH I want to have a password popup which unlocks my ssh id
[11:20] <sonu_nk> ducasse: wht should i do this time
[11:25] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: you can specify which ssh-askpass program to use for password prompts, in the environment variable SSH_ASKPASS.
[11:25] <ducasse> sonu_nk: you don't have windows?
[11:25] <sonu_nk> no..du
[11:25] <sonu_nk> no.. ducasse
[11:25] <sonu_nk> when i am connecting this disk on windows then windows is not booting.
[11:26] <sonu_nk> ducasse: ^
[11:26] <ducasse> sonu_nk: then why use ntfs? i think you can try ntfsfix, but i have no idea if it is reliable.
[11:26] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, where is that configured ?
[11:27] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: you can try ~/.bashrc
[11:29] <ena> hello everybody! I'm having trouble with a fresh installation of xubuntu 16.04, after installation it doesn't start. I first installed it in EFI mode and it didn't work, I tried to reinstall it in legacy mode but it still doesn't boot on the OS. Could someone give me some help? Thank you!
[11:30] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, okay it seems that my ssh_auth_sock is pointing to ssh-agent
[11:30] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: then that is definitely what you are using.
[11:31] <mickey__> hey everyone
[11:31] <th3_ghost> @mickey_ hi
[11:31] <ena> hello mickey__
[11:32] <mickey__> i am having trouble w/ 16..it isnt detecting my mousepad on my laptop...ive checked on the ubuntu help and it just isnt detecting it. any ideas?
[11:32] <mickey__> hello @ena and @th3_ghost
[11:33] <th3_ghost> do you tried with lsusb?
[11:33] <mickey__> it detects a bluetooth mouse but the battery is low...figured i better get on here and ask about it
[11:33] <mickey__> what is that? im kinda green on linux still...i have learned some basics on terminal but im still learning
[11:34] <ena> lsusb is a command you can type ‫into a terminal
[11:34] <th3_ghost> lspci is command in terminal that show every usb devices
[11:34] <Semanticfire_2> ducasse, okay, problem solved, adding: /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh to startup solves it
[11:34] <th3_ghost> *lsusb
[11:34] <ena> the output will give you some useful information
[11:34] <mickey__> list usb ok got it
[11:35] <ena> that's it
[11:35] <mickey__> my touchpad for the mouse on my laptop isnt usb tho
[11:35] <ducasse> Semanticfire_2: it probably does not start the ssh component if ssh-agent is active.
[11:35] <ena> by the way, still nobody here to help me? ^^
[11:35] <mickey__> yea combo of ls and usb to list usb...thats a new command to me, so thanks for real :-)
[11:35] <mickey__> @ena what is wrong?
[11:36] <th3_ghost> ls pci shows all pci devices
[11:36] <mickey__> ok, let me try that
[11:36] <th3_ghost> that includes GPU,Audio,Network adapters and etc
[11:36] <ena> I'm having trouble booting on a fresh installation of xubuntu 16.04, I think it's link to UEFI/legacy mode but I can't manage to get what's going on
[11:36] <ikonia> you need to explain what you mean by "trouble"
[11:37] <th3_ghost> ena: what are you see when try to boot
[11:37] <ikonia> people can't help if you don't give details
[11:38] <mickey__> and dont monkey in that area unless ya know what you change
[11:38] <ena> it just shows the bios UI
[11:38] <mickey__> hotkey to maximize a window in ubuntu?
[11:38] <mickey__> super+?
[11:38] <ikonia> ena: it shows the bios....thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[11:38] <th3_ghost> gnome or unity?
[11:38] <ikonia> that means it's booting into the bios/efi menu
[11:39] <ena> ikonia: i installed it, and it doesn't boot on ubuntu, instead it opens the bios UI, as if no OS were detected by grub
[11:39] <mickey__> im kinda knowledgeable on bios booting and stuff, i may be able to help you once i have a mouse working on here
[11:39] <mickey__> @ena
[11:39] <ikonia> ena: no - not grub
[11:39] <ikonia> ena: it's not getting that far
[11:39] <ikonia> ena: your machine is not getting to that point
[11:39] <ena> mh probably but I don't know what to do then ^^
[11:40] <ducasse> ena: select the right boot device in the bios
[11:40] <mickey__> may just need to change order of boot sequence back to hd primary if just booted and installed ubuntu
[11:40] <mickey__> or any os in that case
[11:40] <ikonia> ena: from the bios menu, select boot overrie and boot the ubuntu disk
[11:40] <ena> ducasse: done already, there is only one hard disk
[11:40] <th3_ghost> @ena I don't understand do you successfully install Linux
[11:40] <ena> ikonia: it doesn't show here
[11:40] <ikonia> ena: what doesn't show
[11:41] <mickey__> @th3_ghost has a point, i used to have to boot from cd every time on my old desktop
[11:41] <mickey__> @ena
[11:41] <ena> th3_ghost: I think I did, if I reboot on the installation usb stick I see the option "install next to ubuntu 16.04"
[11:41] <mickey__> maximize window hotkey anyone? or what i can press to look at the map of hotkeys in ubuntu? used to know but forgot
[11:42] <ducasse> ena: where did you install grub?
[11:42] <ena> ikonia: the boot menu only gives me my hard drive or my dvd drive, if i select the hard drive it comes back to bios UI
[11:42] <Conna> press default
[11:42] <ena> ducasse: on the hard drive (/dev/sda)
[11:43] <ena> mickey__: try alt+F10
[11:43] <th3_ghost> ena: You trying from USB stick to sintall linux?
[11:43] <ducasse> ena: and you are sure it was sda and not sda1 or similar?
[11:43] <ena> th3_ghost: that's what I did if I'm not mistaken
[11:43] <ena> ducasse: I reinstalled it several times, it might be sda2 instead of sda
[11:44] <ena> is there a way I can check it?
[11:44] <th3_ghost> what software did you use to make bootable installation of Linux?
[11:44] <ikonia> ena: ok - so it's not installed on your hard disk
[11:44] <ikonia> ena: that suggests the installer has not put grub on your disk
[11:44] <ena> th3_ghost: dd command
[11:44] <mickey__> ena: ty
[11:45] <ducasse> ena: it needs to be on the disk device, not in a partition (unless the disk is gpt).
[11:45] <ena> ikonia: why is it not installed on the hard disk? the installer proposes me to install a new xubuntu next to the old one, so it should recognize the old one at some point, am I wrong?
[11:45] <th3_ghost> 2 weeks ago I tried with dd but nothing done succesfull, so I used Unetbootin
[11:45] <ena> th3_ghost: the usb sticks works fine, I can boot on it with no trouble
[11:46] <ena> ducasse: so what should I do? ^^
[11:46] <k1l_> dd is the best method if used correctly by the user.
[11:46] <ducasse> ena: tthe easy way is just to reinstall and make sure you select /dev/sda for grub.
[11:46] <th3_ghost> But then, you can't use rest of freespace for data
[11:47] <ena> ducasse: I'm trying it right now, but I'm almost sure that's what I did earlier ^^ but let's see!
[11:47] <ena> oh, and, how can I check I'm NOT installing in UEFI mode?
[11:48] <ena> th3_ghost: which data§
[11:48] <ena> ?
[11:49] <th3_ghost> I'm talking about free space on usb stick when using dd command close all memory and you can't put anything or maybe I don't do it properly, nevermind
[11:49] <ena> oh ok
[11:49] <th3_ghost> ena: What option do you choose in BIOS? Legacy or UEFI mode?
[11:50] <ena> I think legacy
[11:50] <ena> I can't check right now, it's installing
[11:50] <th3_ghost> so whats the problem?
[11:50] <th3_ghost> you can't boot after that?
[11:50] <ducasse> ena: you can start the installer in "try ubuntu" mode, and look for the directory /sys/firmware/efi. if it exists, you are in uefi mode.
[11:50] <ena> th3_ghost: that's exactly it
[11:51] <sonu_nk> hwo to solve this "  Error unmounting filesystem Not authorized to perform operation (udisks-error-quark, 3)"
[11:51] <mickey__> heck i dont know whats up it wont recognize my laptops mouse...the previous version did
[11:51] <ena> ducasse: this folder doesn't exists
[11:51] <ena> exist
[11:52] <ducasse> ena: then you are in legacy mode.
[11:52] <mickey__> possible to install 14 again if i already installed 16?
[11:52] <ena> mickey__: maybe there is some proprietary driver to install?
[11:52] <th3_ghost> @mickey Do you have installed package linux-image-extra package?
[11:53] <mickey__> if so, where would i go to get said driver...ubuntu through an apt-get install or do i need to look on say toshibas website...and would toshiba have a driver that would work on ubuntu and windows?
[11:53] <ducasse> mickey__: what kind of laptop?
[11:53] <mickey__> toshiba satellite c50-s or something like that
[11:54] <lhz> using a sound blaster e5 usb sound card on ubuntu 16.04. sound has always been quite low compared to the same setup on windows 10, meaning i've had to turn the volume know up a bit on my amplifier when in ubuntu to get the same volume. now after a recent update in ubuntu, volume is almost inaudible, i can barely hear it if i turn the volume up to maximum. any ideas?
[11:55] <ducasse> mickey__: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2241101
[11:55] <ena> lhz: do you have pavucontrol installed?
[11:55] <lhz> in pavucontrol the vu meters look ok when playing music, and volume is set to 100% on the pc
[11:55] <ena> well I have no idea then :D
[11:57] <lhz> the internal sound card doesn't work either, sound gets interrupted all the time and syslog is spammed with messages from rtkit-daemon about supervising threads
[11:57] <th3_ghost> @ena after reboot do you see grub loading?
[11:57] <ena> th3_ghost: no
[11:58] <th3_ghost> ena: somewhere do you ask installation to install grub?
[11:59] <ena> yeah that's what ducasse asked me a bit earlier, I think I did but I'm not sure so I'm reinstalling it properly right now
[11:59] <mickey__> whoever gave me that link, thanks thats specific to my prob though i have already looked in settings going to give it a try
[11:59] <slopes> hello
[12:00] <den> sos
[12:00] <ena> hello slopes
[12:00] <mickey__> still nothing, wow
[12:01] <mickey__> yea i dunno it probably needs a driver on windows to work or some garbage...it worked on 14, i upgraded to 16 and it didnt work
[12:01] <slopes> can someone here give an help?
[12:01] <slopes> related with email clients
[12:01] <ena> slopes: what is your problem about?
[12:01] <mickey__> anyone know if you can usb boot the old 14 and install over top of 16?
[12:01] <slopes> is it possible to execute an external program when clicking in an link of the email message?
[12:01] <ducasse> mickey__: did you try fn+function key to enable touchpad like the link suggested?
[12:02] <mickey__> yes
[12:02] <ducasse> slopes: that is configured in your mail client.
[12:02] <ena> slopes: I think you can associate programs by protocol
[12:03] <mickey__> and whats messed up, the sys settings shows a touchpad and has settings, its turned on...just a bug from 14 to 16 i suppose
[12:03] <ena> is the mousepad shown in the mouse settings?
[12:03] <moein> Hey
[12:03] <slopes> the main issue here is that i want different browsers to be opened
[12:04] <ena> ducasse: it didn't ask me where to install grub this time
[12:04] <moein> How can i install package in open suse?
[12:04] <slopes> when receiving one email from certain apllication, open a certain browser
[12:04] <mickey__> um, it doesnt move a cursor or anything if i try to use the touchpad while looking at the sys settings for it if thats what youre asking?
[12:04] <moein> ?!
[12:04] <slopes> and when receiving an email from other entity, open other browser
[12:04] <ducasse> ena: did you choose guided or manual partitioning?
[12:04] <slopes> is this possible?
[12:05] <ena> ducasse: manual one
[12:05] <ducasse> moein: ask in a suse forum or channel.
[12:05] <moein> help me plz
[12:05] <ducasse> ena: then there is a selection box for grub at the bottom.
[12:05] <moein> what is suse channel address?
[12:05] <ducasse> !alis | moein
[12:06] <ena> ducasse: i'll reinstall again and be really careful then
[12:06] <ducasse> ena: in manual partitioning, i'm very sure it is there. it should be at the bottom of the window iirc.
[12:08] <__raven> hi
[12:09] <ena> __raven:
[12:09] <ena> hi
[12:09] <__raven> trying to use ssh -X over a slow connection causes the local machines graphics to freeze completely. any way to avoid that?
[12:10] <streulma> is there an Ubuntu screensaver or how can I set screen black after 30 minutes ?
[12:11] <pathworker> @moein there are several sue channels. depending on your irc client you might be able to do a searchand narrow down your query from there.
[12:12] <k1l_> streulma: did you look into the systemsettings?
[12:13] <streulma> k1l_ only pause
[12:13] <k1l_> streulma: because there is a own menue entry for locking and brightness. and there is the setting to make the screen shut down after X minutes
[12:14] <streulma> then it is bad translated
[12:14] <k1l_> http://i.stack.imgur.com/erAp8.png   streulma
[12:15] <streulma> bad translation in Dutch
[12:18] <lhz> ena: finally managed to fix it by running "alsamixer -Dpulse", selecting the E5 sound card then showing all gauges. speaker volume was set very low. no idea why though, but now it's ok :)
[12:19] <guardianL_> i love unity
[12:19] <dbacc> hi! Occasionally my screen gets blank. It seems like the intel kernel module stopped working. The machine is still alive though, can login via ssh. http://pastebin.com/8sNCHnQm
[12:19] <dbacc> is there a way to fix that?
[12:20] <ena> congrats lhz ^^
[12:21] <ducasse> dbacc: i'd guess you need to file a bug report, if there isn't one already.
[12:22] <dhaavhincy> hi
[12:23] <dhaavhincy> why my voice recording output sound not clearly, there is sound a machine laptop from ubuntu 16.04
[12:23] <dhaavhincy> ?
[12:24] <dhaavhincy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEhOptc2Fg0
[12:26] <Ideapad> Hello
[12:26] <Silverbaq> hi
[12:27] <Ideapad> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on a new budget Lenovo notebook...
[12:27] <Ideapad> Intel inside
[12:27] <Ideapad> I have problems with playing Youtube without stressing the CPU
[12:28] <ducasse> Ideapad: what kind of cpu?
[12:28] <Silverbaq> Ideapad, how stressed is the CPU from playing Youtube?
[12:28] <Ideapad> YT 720p -> 80-100% CPU load
[12:29] <guardianL_> hmmmm
[12:29] <Ideapad> same video on Windows 10 (same notebook) is 20%
[12:29] <Ideapad> That is not an advantage for Ubuntu :)
[12:30] <dbacc> ducasse: would it make sense to try the version of the intel driver from Yakkety 
[12:31] <noobuntu> Hi guys. I need some help. Trying to install https://github.com/tista500/Adapta theme on 16.04 (fresh install) but when I do sudo apt install adapta-gtk-theme I get
[12:31] <noobuntu> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:31] <noobuntu>  adapta-gtk-theme : Depends: gtk2-engines-pixbuf (>= 2.24.30) but it is not installable
[12:31] <Ideapad> ducasse: Intel Celeron Processor N3150
[12:31] <mickey__> hey everyone, got my touchpad working
[12:31] <mickey__> now who else still needs help?
[12:31] <ducasse> dbacc: the proper thing to do is to file a bug and follow the instructions you will be given. they will probably include trying a newer kernel, but it won't be fixed if you don't report it.
[12:31] <noobuntu> mickey__
[12:32] <k1l_> noobuntu: install  gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[12:32] <mickey__> hey there noobuntu...diggin the nick
[12:32] <dbacc> dbacc: where do I report it then?
[12:32] <noobuntu> k1l_ that gives
[12:32] <noobuntu> Package gtk2-engines-pixbuf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:32] <noobuntu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:32] <noobuntu> is only available from another source
[12:32] <k1l_> noobuntu: then enable universe repo first
[12:33] <ducasse> dbacc: with ubuntu-bug
[12:33] <mickey__> dbacc: alt +f2 i think brings up the screen to pull up binarys, there is one that ducasse just mentioned it is correct
[12:34] <Ideapad> mickey: that is my next Project (Touch pad), after fixing Youtube CPU problem
[12:34] <mickey__> Ideapad: my touchpad got fixed homie, but thanks to you and all others in here who aided me
[12:34] <noobuntu> k1l_ enabled universe, still same message for gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[12:35] <k1l_> Ideapad: is it a flash video or a html5?
[12:35] <mickey__> im just here to lend a hand where i can too
[12:35] <k1l_> noobuntu: run sudo apt update first?
[12:35] <ducasse> Ideapad: iirc, we recently had another guy here with the exact same problem and the exact same cpu. afaicr, it was a driver problem.
[12:35] <Ideapad> k1l_: html5
[12:35] <Ideapad> k1l_: don't even Think flash :)
[12:37] <noobuntu> k1l_ thanks. everything worked
[12:37] <Ideapad> mickey: my touchpad is working aout of the box, but the settings are not optimal
[12:37] <mickey__> oh
[12:37] <Ideapad> mickey: any ideas on how to deal with the settings?
[12:37] <mickey__> have you tried the system settings screen to toggle scroll sensitivity and stuff like that?
[12:38] <Ideapad> mickey: that is the first thing i will try... was wondering is Synaptic have any Linux software for drivers and settings
[12:39] <slinkp> Not sure if this is a unity-specific question or compiz more generally. Does anybody have an idea why wmctrl can't move a window to be flush with the bottom edge of the unity launcher?   Eg. the geometry of the launcher is reported as 24px high, but if i use wmctrl to move a window to y=24, it ends up at y=34, and there's a visible 10 pixel gap.  Any value of y > 34 works precisely as expected.
[12:39] <ducasse> Ideapad: if you want full control over the settings, read the man pages for synclient and syndaemon.
[12:39] <noobuntu> Which keyboard setups does the left alt key work in? I mean like the left key for alt+left arrow in browsers, etc.
[12:39] <mickey__> well if you can get your mouse to it, i dont know the hotkey, the settings button is right top button, go there/ system settings/ mouse and touchpad
[12:40] <slinkp> oops i mean panel, not launcher
[12:40] <Ideapad> ducasse: thanx for that tip, I will
[12:40] <noobuntu> sry I mean right alt key
[12:40] <dbacc> ducasse: thanks! where can I find my report now?
[12:40] <ducasse> noobuntu: on many keyboard layouts, that is altgr, not alt.
[12:40] <c0ax__> Hi guys. When I do git pull and do what have to do and than exit my session, that folder I have pulled it into, magicaly dissapear
[12:41] <c0ax__> So, anyone ?
[12:41] <mickey__> noobuntu: for me it takes me to the desktop file menu...like right alt+f
[12:41] <ducasse> dbacc: you didn't note down the report number?
[12:41] <mickey__> left alt + f same but for current window
[12:41] <dbacc> ducasse: there was no number a box with content 'text' and I could answer yes no or cancel;)
[12:42] <ducasse> dbacc: it didn't open a browser page?
[12:43] <dbacc> ducasse: it opened, then i logged in into ubuntu one. But that"s it. Nothing there
[12:43] <mickey__> noobuntu: scratch that they both do the same, left and right, atm brings file options for hexchat
[12:43] <ducasse> dbacc: did you file the bug against a package?
[12:44] <dbacc> ducasse: yes xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:44] <noobuntu> do I want to look for a layout with or without dead keys?
[12:45] <ducasse> dbacc: good enough, if it is wrong they will correct it. normally, ubuntu-bug will open a web page for you to fill out details and description. i suggest you try again.
[12:45] <dbacc> all right!
[12:45] <ducasse> noobuntu: altgr is not a dead key, so it does not matter.
[12:46] <ducasse> dbacc: i've seen that before when i was not already logged in to ubuntu one, that could be the reason.
[12:46] <dbacc> ducasse: you're right! It's working now!
[12:47] <mickey__> noobuntu: matter of personal opinion, but i like knowing the hotkeys, tho i dont know them all. the greatest thing i think about ubuntu is windows wont let you do a lot of old-school type comp stuff, so i like learning the terminal commands and hotkeys, reminds me of windows when it operated if you knew how to rock msdos and knew all the hotkeys...didnt even use a mouse back then
[12:47] <ducasse> dbacc: \o/ :)
[12:47] <ena> ducasse: reinstalled with /dev/sda for grub, still doesn't work :(
[12:47] <leonardo_> hey
[12:47] <noobuntu> mickey__ agreed
[12:47] <ducasse> ena: how big is the disk you're installing on?
[12:48] <noobuntu> Still alt+left arrow to go back is very convenient when web browsing
[12:48] <mickey__> ena: did you try to do a reinstall and let it do things on autopilot? manual install is out of my ballpark and i wanted to keep win10 for itunes so i installed to select my os on boot
[12:48] <ena> ducasse: 500 mb
[12:48] <ena> mickey__: I can't let autopilot because I have files I want to keep on the drive
[12:49] <ducasse> ena: do you know if it uses gpt or mbr partition layout?
[12:49] <ena> ducasse: I have no idea
[12:49] <ena> maybe gpt
[12:49] <mickey__> ohh, yea i highly recommend getting a few usb drives or burn some cd-rs to keep backups of personal files, that way if you ever need to restore an os, you have all your stuff when disasters like this strike
[12:50] <mickey__> any way for you to copy the files to an external device right now?
[12:50] <ena> well I could but there is a lot of them and I'm kind of running out of time
[12:50] <ducasse> ena: that is the only idea i have, that it is using gpt, in which case you need a special setup. can you boot the installer in livemode and pastebin the output from 'sudo parted -l'?
[12:51] <ena> ducasse: doing it!
[12:51] <mickey__> ena do you only have ubuntu installed or can you open windows? windows will not be able to run files you have on ubuntu but you may be able to access them and burn them or otherwise copy them
[12:51] <ena> I don't have windows
[12:51] <mickey__> so runnning ubuntu solo?
[12:51] <ena> yup
[12:51] <uddane> hi guys, I'm on 14.04 LTS and want to update to 16... will I need to do a disc install or will I be able to pull it using the software center?
[12:51] <ena> I can access the files with live usb, no problem
[12:52] <mickey__> and you cant make it past bios correct?
[12:52] <ena> that's it
[12:52] <ducasse> uddane: you need to upgrade over network.
[12:52] <erty> Hy  Ive installed win10 and he tells me that I have the 32 bits version but a x64 bits architectur. But now Xubuntu by this command lscpu tells me that I have i686 architectur ,  I can install Xubuntu x64 or what ?
[12:53] <mickey__> erty: dont install a 64bit os on a 32 bit sys
[12:53] <mickey__> in fact i have a 64 bit sys and i have ubuntu as a 32bit...runs faster and less buggy
[12:53] <ducasse> erty: if the 64 bit installer will boot you have a 64 bit system.
[12:53] <ena> mickey__: they said it's a x64 architecture
[12:54] <mickey__> ohhh my bad
[12:54] <mickey__> yes you can
[12:54] <msev-> if i modprobe a kernel module then its loaded just for that session right? lets say kernel module "sunxi_cir"...How do i make it load every time (after i test it and confirm it works)?
[12:54] <uddane> ducasse: So the software center? I've been checking it for the past week as I have 'settings' to prompt me for it and there hasn't been anything
[12:54] <ducasse> msev-: put it in /etc/modules
[12:54] <erty> mickey_ why win10 told me that Ive installed 32bits,  and I have x64 architectur  BUT now in Xubuntu he tells me that I have i686 architectur wtf
[12:54] <noobuntu> ducasse any way to make the right key alt instead of altgr?
[12:54] <ducasse> uddane: it was only opened yesterday, so your mirror might not have it yet.
[12:55] <msev-> ducasse, its that simple?
[12:55] <msev-> no commands?
[12:55] <ena> ducasse: http://pastebin.com/bhG2GdZY
[12:55] <ducasse> noobuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/375056/re-mapping-alt-gr-key
[12:55] <moijk> what is a good vnc server (for current session) for ubuntu 16.04?
[12:55] <uddane> ducasse: ok, makes sense now.... I'll wait a few more days before I panic again
[12:55] <ducasse> msev-: yes.
[12:55] <mickey__> erty: are you certain that your machine has 64 arch or did you install the 64 dist on a 32 machine? if so you will be having major laggy or buggy issues on ubuntu but win should work fine
[12:56] <ducasse> ena: you see it says "Partition Table: gpt"? that's what's wrong. hang on, i'll dig up a link for you.
[12:57] <erty> mickey_    I dont know because I have 2 different windows from win10 and Xubuntu
[12:57] <ducasse> ena: this explains it - https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/tutorials/legacy-mode-installation-using-gpt-partitions/
[12:57] <erty> sorry  I have 2 different version#
[12:58] <ena> thank you ducasse :°
[12:58] <ena> :)
[12:58] <ena> i'll keep you updated about what's going on ^^
[12:59] <djhonny> Hi all, my cron jobs are not running on a remote server and since i'm fairly new to all this i have no idea on how i schould debug this.
[12:59] <djhonny> I can't find any errors in syslog
[12:59] <erty> how to be sure what architectur I have If windows and Xubuntu tells me 2 different version one I have x64 architectur and the other one x32 bits
[12:59] <ducasse> ena: that guide wasn't for ubuntu from what i saw, but follow the partitiong steps, and install grub in the "bios boot partition". that should work - good luck :)
[12:59] <djhonny> and the cron service seems to be up and running
[12:59] <ena> btw, what about this "Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes." stuff?
[12:59] <noobuntu> ducasse so this is not possible by keyboard layout change. they will all have altgr?
[13:00] <mickey__> erty: your system came w/ a windows version. i would trust what first came on your computer, as you could have installed the 64 dist of xubuntu
[13:00] <ducasse> noobuntu: most of them, i think only us keyboards and a few others use altgr as alt. but you can remap to whatever you want.
[13:01] <erty> mickey_ Ill try to install x64
[13:01] <ducasse> ena: it means exactly what it says :) in most cases that is nothing to worry about, it will still install fine.
[13:02] <ena> hum ok then ^^
[13:03] <ducasse> ena: the disk has a physical layout of 512 byte sectors but reports 2048. linux sees that it's 'lying', and tells you about it.
[13:03] <ena> why is the drive lying? :o
[13:04] <ducasse> ena: it doesn't really matter. 2048 is divisible by 512, so the partitions will still be aligned correctly.
[13:04] <ena> oh ok, still I don't like liars!! it'll pay for its crimes
[13:06] <ducasse> ena: i think it has to do with 512-byte sector disks having a 2tb size limit. when manufacturers want to make bigger models they report 2048 bytes to the os so the disks can be bigger, and the disk translates.
[13:06] <ena> oh I see
[13:07] <ducasse> ena: there are probably bigger than 2tb models of that disk, and they didn't make them "full" 4k sector disk.
[13:07] <__raven> trying to use ssh -X over a slow connection causes the local machines graphics to freeze completely. any way to avoid that?
[13:10] <noobuntu> aahh... found it. You can change alt key behaviour in keyboard settings
[13:10] <mavi-> i have windows 7, windows 8.1 and remix os installed. I use windows 7 bootloader. Now i want to install ubuntu. May i still use my windows 7 bootloader after installing ubuntu? Thanks.
[13:11] <ducasse> mavi-: afaik the windows bootloader can't boot linux, so you'll need grub or another bootloader that can handle all of them.
[13:13] <mavi-> grub can load my windows 7 and windows 8?
[13:14] <FManTropyx> yes
[13:17] <mavi-> i hope it can load my remixOs too :)
[13:17] <mavi-> i'm starting to install now
[13:18] <mavi-> i miss Ubuntu. last time i used it was 10.04 version.
[13:18] <ducasse> mavi-: if you're booting in uefi mode, you can also use something like refind.
[13:18] <mavi-> i uninstalled it after unity.
[13:18] <mavi-> no i dont use secure boot
[13:19] <mavi-> i disabled it from boot menu
[13:19] <ducasse> mavi-: secure boot != uefi
[13:19] <swaminathan>  
[13:19] <mavi-> yes i know it.
[13:20] <mavi-> my computer had preinstalled win8
[13:20] <ducasse> that would probably have been installed in uefi mode, then.
[13:21] <mavi-> now uefi is disabled
[13:21] <ducasse> mavi-: ok, then i think grub is your best choice.
[13:21] <mavi-> i have two options. 1- Win 8 boot 2- OtherOS
[13:21] <mavi-> i selected OtherOS option
[13:24] <ducasse> mavi-: in many firmwares, that setting controls whether secure boot is on or off. to not boot in uefi mode you often need to enable csm or legacy mode.
[13:26] <mavi-> in system settings, i see legacy boot is on.
[13:27] <mavi-> now i am sure that i am not in uefi mode.
[13:27] <ducasse> mavi-: sounds like it. in either case, grub will work. uefi would just give you a few different options.
[13:30] <mavi-> i selected ubuntu gnome version
[13:31] <ena> ducasse: i followed the guide step by step... and it still doesn't work :(
[13:32] <ducasse> ena: you installed grub in the bios boot partition?
[13:32] <ena> no, in /dev/sda as mentionned on the guide
[13:32] <ikonia> I bet sda is the usb stick
[13:32] <ena> no, the stick is sdb
[13:34] <Sebastian14089> Hi there! I am currently using an older laptop with switchable graphics card, running Linux Mint 18 fresh install. This laptop has the intel integrated graphics chip and an Ati radeon card. Currently, both are displayed in, for example, sysinfo. However, I have no idea which card I am using atm and only one can be run at once. Any ideas how to find out? Note: Previously this laptop used windows before which allowed switching between the two graphic
[13:35] <ikonia> Sebastian14089: we don't support mint here - sorry
[13:35] <ikonia> Sebastian14089: there is a mint irc channel that is listed on the mint website
[13:35] <ducasse> ena: the easiest thing would probably be to delete the gpt partition table and create an mbr partition table. then you can just install without any hassle.
[13:35] <cfhowlett> Sebastian14089, go to mint for support of mint please
[13:35] <Sebastian14089> Alright, Ill head over there
[13:35] <ena> ducasse: I could but there is data on the disk I don't want to lose :/
[13:35] <BluesKaj> !mint | Sebastian14089
[13:36] <ducasse> ena: i know you can convert mbr to gpt, but i don't know about the other way...
[13:36] <ikonia> ena: there can't be data on it
[13:36] <ikonia> ena: you said you insalled ubuntu on it and it found no boot loader to boot
[13:36] <ikonia> so what else is on it ?? it's got no other OS on it
[13:37] <ena> there is data from the previous os, which booted and worked fined except for a graphical card driver problem
[13:37] <ikonia> how are you booting the other OS
[13:37] <ikonia> you said it just boots to the bios
[13:37] <ikonia> and you only have 1 disk
[13:37] <ena> I deleted the other OS
[13:38] <ikonia> ena: so what does your partition table actually look like
[13:38] <ena> 1 disk, 16 mb partition unformatted with bios_grub flag for gpt, 30 gb for system, 4gb for swap, rest for home
[13:39] <ikonia> ena: where is the data ?
[13:39] <ena> in the home partition
[13:39] <ikonia> so your bios partition is unformatted
[13:39] <ena> gparted says so
[13:40] <ikonia> so isn't that the problem
[13:40] <ikonia> there is nowhere for it to put data
[13:40] <ena> what do you mean?
[13:40] <ducasse> ikonia: it's a bios boot partition for grub, not efi.
[13:42] <ikonia> it still has a file system on it for the boot.img
[13:42] <ikonia> or am I missing the point
[13:42] <ikonia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_boot_partition#/media/File:GNU_GRUB_components.svg
[13:43] <ena> well I don't know what to tell you, I don't know how to check what you are asking for
[13:43] <ducasse> ikonia: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#GUID_Partition_Table_.28GPT.29_specific_instructions "Create a mebibyte partition (+1M with fdisk or gdisk) on the disk with no file system"
[13:44] <ikonia> ducasse: yeah, thats different than the 16mb partition ena has createed
[13:45] <ducasse> ikonia: would the size matter? i really don't know, never used bios/gpt boot.
[13:46] <ena> is there a way to see if grub is installed? I'm on a live usb
[13:48] <ducasse> ena: seems gpt can just be converted to mbr. in that case i expect gparted can do it.
[13:49] <Guest72125> Good Morning.  Not sure if this is the right room to ask but my Ubuntu Upgrade hung waiting for terminal input.
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Guest72125, right place.  more details?
[13:49] <Guest72125> Hi!  Thanks
[13:49] <Guest72125> Upgrading from 14.04LTS to 16.04LTS
[13:49] <Guest72125> Just clicked the upgrade
[13:50] <Guest72125> and let it go
[13:50] <Guest72125> all was as usual
[13:50] <Guest72125> Until it hung at Preparing libssl-dev
[13:50] <Guest72125> THe terminal shows'
[13:50] <Guest72125> Package Configuration
[13:51] <Guest72125> Configuring Concerto-full
[13:51] <Guest72125> Concerto is a digital signage program that I have
[13:51] <Guest72125> It is a messge that has choices to make
[13:51] <cfhowlett> if the concerto package is faulty, you'll need to address it with the packagers
[13:51] <Guest72125> and an ok button
[13:51] <Guest72125> right
[13:52] <Guest72125> I don't think it faulty
[13:52] <Guest72125> It is telling me that
[13:52] <ducasse> Guest72125: please don't use enter as punctuation
[13:52] <Guest72125> sorry
[13:52] <Guest72125> it is asking  to make a choice about the database removel
[13:52] <ena> and now my wifi died ._. i must be cursed
[13:53] <Guest72125> is there a way to get to that terminal to input?
[13:53] <cfhowlett> how long have you waited? Guest72125
[13:53] <Guest72125> Half hour
[13:53] <Guest72125> maybe.
[13:53] <ducasse> ena: did you see my last message about gparted?
[13:54] <Pici> Guest72125: click on the terminal part, press tab to get to the okay(or whatever) button, then press enter
[13:54] <ena> @ducasse @ikonia I might have missed something
[13:54] <Guest72125> trying
[13:55] <ducasse> ena: messages here to you, you mean?
[13:55] <Guest72125> I love you!
[13:55] <Pici> :)
[13:55] <ena> ducasse: yes, potentially ^^
[13:55] <Guest72125> That was what it took to get focus to the "OK"
[13:55] <ducasse> ena: seems gpt can just be converted to mbr. in that case i expect gparted can do it.
[13:55] <Guest72125> Awesome!
[13:55] <ducasse> ena: that was the last i wrote
[13:55] <Guest72125> Thanks so much!
[13:56] <Guest72125> You saved years of work that I almost killed...
[13:56] <Pici> Guest72125: np, enjoy
[13:56] <ena> ducasse: oh ok
[13:56] <ducasse> Guest72125: backup early and often ;)
[13:56] <Guest72125> ty
[13:56] <ena> but that's so strange that it is not working, i mean it should
[13:56] <ena> maybe i did not configure my bios correctly but I thought I did
[13:57] <ducasse> ena: yes, but bios/gpt boot is a sort of unusual setup that is known to cause problems on some systems. mbr would put us in more familiar territory, or uefi on gpt.
[13:58] <ciphered> hi
[13:58] <ronaldsmazitis> anybody knows how to get visualboyadvanced emulator with cheats menu
[14:00] <John[Lisbeth]> I can't for the life of me make a simple shell script autostart when gnome logs in
[14:00] <John[Lisbeth]> I'm running ubuntu gnome 16.04.1
[14:00] <ducasse> ena: but tbh, i would probably backup important data before converting, just in case...
[14:00] <John[Lisbeth]> 32 bit
[14:00] <John[Lisbeth]> I've tried putting a file in my .config/autostart and I have tried to put every imaginable command I can think of into the gnome autostart settings
[14:00] <John[Lisbeth]> and I simply can't force this shell script to begin
[14:00] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: is the script executable?
[14:01] <John[Lisbeth]> I am not sure if it is "an" executable, but let me test it very quickly to see if it will run
[14:01] <ena> ducasse: well i can try uefi right? it should allow me to not touch the data if I'm correct?
[14:01] <Guest72125> Will do! ducasse	:-)  (Guest72125: backup early and often)
[14:02] <ciphered> yo
[14:02] <ciphered> how are you
[14:02] <ducasse> ena: sure, you just create an efi system partition instead of the bios boot partition. i think the installer does that for you, but i'm not sure.
[14:02] <ducasse> ena: and you need to switch to uefi mode, of course.
[14:03] <ena> so i have to reinstall again?
[14:04] <ducasse> ena: you can convert from legacy to uefi, but it's just as much work, if not more.
[14:04] <ena> ok
[14:05] <John[Lisbeth]> the script does not have the desired effect but when I run bash .my_script it acutally does run and have the effect of starting my gtk app
[14:06] <John[Lisbeth]> In othewords I have not debugged the commands within teh script but the script should definitely run and have an effect when triggered
[14:06] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: yes, but try just ./my_script, without bash first
[14:06] <kittykitty> sooo, i updated to 16.04 just now and, well... It just looks awful. Do i have to now downgrade all of my gnome based apps???
[14:07] <kittykitty> i mean come on, look at gedit.
[14:08] <EriC^^> kittykitty: i feel your pain
[14:08] <kittykitty> EriC^^, i might move to arch and just install unity
[14:08] <ciphered> yo
[14:08] <ciphered> ciphered,
[14:08] <EriC^^> kittykitty: the thought occurred with me too
[14:08] <kittykitty> are they just doing a windows 10 or something? I dont want an OS thats touch focused
[14:09] <EriC^^> kittykitty: i dunno, mir is coming soon though
[14:09] <cfhowlett> !flavors | kittykitty, choose
[14:09] <hplc> 16.xx doesnt seem to have a warm welcome?
[14:10] <kittykitty> yeah but, you can just install mir on gnome lol EriC^^
[14:10] <hplc> cant say i disagree completely thou
[14:10] <EriC^^> kittykitty: what's your point?
[14:10] <EriC^^> mir is like touch friendly or something
[14:11] <kittykitty> ubottu, if im leaving ubuntu, im leaving for good. I hate what theyre doing and i equally hate the apps installed on the other *ubuntu lol.
[14:11] <kittykitty> lol
[14:11] <EriC^^> :D
[14:11] <kittykitty> EriC^^, my point was that we can just install mir on another distro?
[14:11] <ikonia> don't like it - don't use it
[14:11] <ikonia> it's that simple
[14:11] <cfhowlett> kittykitty, your box, your choice.  please continue chitchat in #ubuntu-offofftopic
[14:11] <kittykitty> ok, sorry cfhowlett
[14:12] <EriC^^> kittykitty: i meant ubuntu is using mir in the future cause it's mobile friendly, so i guess yeah it's going a little in the mobile touch direction
[14:12] <kittykitty> welp, mobile? byeeee lol
[14:12] <EriC^^> not that mobile :D
[14:12] <candu> /amigo45xmaduro
[14:14] <ena> ducasse: when trying to reinstall in UEFI mode, they tell me I have to deactivate the secure boot to install third party drivers
[14:14] <ena> what does this exactly mean? what should I do?
[14:14] <EriC^^> ena: deactivate it
[14:14] <EriC^^> ena: go to the bios and disable it
[14:14] <ena> there is a little checkbox in the installer to deactivate it
[14:14] <ducasse> ena: yes, if you need nvidia drivers for example, you must deactivate it or sign modules yourself.
[14:14] <EriC^^> which installer? O.o
[14:14] <ena> ubuntu installer
[14:15] <EriC^^> hmm
[14:15] <ena> ducasse: I don't get what drivers have to do with boot
[14:15] <ikonia> ubuntu cannot deactivate secure boot
[14:15] <rumman> hi all
[14:15] <EriC^^> ena: i think uefi passes something for the drivers
[14:15] <ducasse> ena: in 16.04, kernel modules need to be signed with secure boot enabled.
[14:15] <ena> ikonia: well maybe he can't but he's certainly brave enough to ask
[14:15] <EriC^^> on mac if you dont use uefi it starts to overheat the graphics or something
[14:15] <ikonia> ena: no
[14:15] <ikonia> ena: I'm not sure if you're reading this stuff right
[14:16] <ikonia> ubuntu cannot deactivate secure boot - ubuntu will not ask if it can deactivate secure boot, because it can't
[14:16] <EriC^^> ena: can you screenshot the installer asking and giving a checkmark?
[14:16] <rumman> JOIN/django637
[14:16] <ena> EriC^^: I already clicked the continue button
[14:16] <EriC^^> that's unheard of
[14:17] <ena> but I'm gonna try to go back
[14:17] <rumman> /JOIN#django637
[14:17] <ikonia> I'm not sure attention is being paid to what's been said on screen
[14:17] <EriC^^> ena: it might have asked that you might need to disable secureboot or something
[14:17] <Pici> rumman: /join #channel
[14:17] <ikonia> but then there would be no checkbox
[14:17] <ena> ikonia: do you mind if I take a picture of the screen?
[14:17] <ena> instead of a screenshot
[14:17]  * EriC^^ would like to see it :D
[14:18] <ikonia> ena: please, I'd welcome it
[14:18] <ena> (btw it's half french half english)
[14:18] <ikonia> again - that seems unlikley
[14:18] <ducasse> i've heard others mention the same thing, so it must be unclear.
[14:18] <ikonia> ubuntu should use 1 language
[14:19] <ena> ikonia: well that's not my choice
[14:19] <John[Lisbeth]> ducasse: .my_script is a shell script it should not run without the bash command. It's not "an executable"
[14:19] <John[Lisbeth]> It's a plaintext file
[14:19] <ena> John[Lisbeth]: have you given the +x permissions to your script?
[14:20] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: if it has execute permissions and a shebang, you don't need bash.
[14:20] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: well, you don't need to explicitly call bash, at least.
[14:21] <ena> anyone has a link to share a picture?
[14:21] <ena> like a pastebin
[14:22] <ducasse> ena: imgur.com?
[14:22] <John[Lisbeth]> hold on let me add teh shebang
[14:22] <John[Lisbeth]> sorry I am at work so intermittent responses
[14:22] <ena> ducasse: I don't have an account :p
[14:23] <ducasse> ena: shouldn't need one, i don't.
[14:23] <ena> well I found another one ^^
[14:23] <laura_> Hi i have trouble booting xubuntu after upgrafe
[14:23] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: also, 'chmod +x my_script'
[14:23] <laura_> From 15.10 to 16.04
[14:23] <cfhowlett> laura_, details
[14:24] <laura_> I upgraded Xububtu from 15.10 to 16.04 and after reboot, all i got was a black acree
[14:24] <laura_> *screen
[14:24] <laura_> No grub or anything
[14:24] <ena> so here you go EriC^^ ikonia https://imagebin.ca/v/2pjePvirQnae
[14:24] <ena> this is mostly french but I think you'll understand
[14:24] <cfhowlett> laura_, how did you upgrade?  clean install?
[14:24] <laura_> I upgraded from Software updates directly
[14:25] <laura_> From terminal
[14:25] <cfhowlett> try booting in nomodeset laur
[14:25] <laura_> I think the boot sequence is "ok" i just cant see it
[14:25] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | auronandace
[14:25] <ducasse> ena: that makes no sense. turn it off in the bios.
[14:25] <laura_> Because all the pings and stuff are the same as before
[14:25] <laura_> I tried nomodeset
[14:26] <laura_> But i cant even get into GRUB
[14:26] <laura_> i press shift
[14:26] <laura_> Hold shift
[14:26] <laura_> No nothing
[14:26] <laura_> It seems like theres no "timeout" on grub?
[14:27] <ena> ducasse: I'm doing it then, I just wanted to post the picture, because it's a little bit uncomfortable when you are told you can't even read properly
[14:27] <laura_> cfhowlett: i just cant get into grub
[14:27] <ducasse> ena: i get that, but i've no idea why it says that. if software could just deactivate sb it would lose all meaning.
[14:27] <cfhowlett> laura_, if no mode set fails, I don't know what else to tell you
[14:28] <laura_> cfhowlett: nomodeset worked fine for LIve CD
[14:28] <ena> ducasse: is secure boot the same thing as fast boot? i can't seem to find secure boot in the bios
[14:28] <laura_> And i think the same issue is here
[14:28] <ikonia> not all boards can disable it
[14:28] <ikonia> you have to remove the private keys
[14:28] <ducasse> ena: no, it might be labelled "windows or other os"
[14:28] <laura_> But i need to get into GRUB first
[14:29] <laura_> Is there a way other than right shift key?
[14:29] <k1l_> esc or left shift.
[14:29] <laura_> Ok thanks i'll try those
[14:29] <k1l_> hit it several times. on some mainboards the timeiming is difficult to match
[14:30] <ena> ducasse: ok so if I deactivate fast boot, i have a "secure boot" menu that appears. it is said that secure boot is enabled but it's grey and i can't modify it. in that same menu there is a choice for OS type, it's windows or other systems
[14:30] <ducasse> ena: on some mainboards you need to set a password to disable sb. try other os.
[14:30] <EriC^^> ena: try setting an admin password
[14:31] <ena> hum... which one of you advices should I try first? ^^
[14:31] <ducasse> password.
[14:31] <ena> oh
[14:31] <ikonia> ena: if it's grey you may need to remove the private keys
[14:31] <ikonia> ena: is this a purchased PC or a home build ?
[14:31] <ena> ikonia: that's exactly what I did
[14:31] <ena> ikonia: home build
[14:32] <ikonia> ena: the private keys from where ?
[14:32] <ena> nowhere
[14:32] <ikonia> ena: is this is an asus motherboard ?
[14:32] <ikonia> what ?
[14:32] <ena> at least I don't remember setting some
[14:32] <ena> and no one else touched it
[14:32] <ikonia> I've just sid you need to delete the private keys
[14:32] <ena> yeah
[14:32] <ikonia> I ask you where
[14:32] <ikonia> and you say nowhere ?
[14:32] <ena> i deleted them in the bios
[14:32] <ikonia> if it's nowhere you can't have deleted the keys
[14:32] <ena> but i set them nowhere
[14:32] <ena> that's what i meant
[14:32] <ikonia> which keys did you delete exactly
[14:32] <ikonia> is this an asus board ?
[14:32] <ena> yes it is
[14:33] <ena> i deleted the secure boot keys
[14:33] <ikonia> which ones
[14:33] <ena> no more information on the button
[14:33] <ikonia> there should be multiple different types of key
[14:33] <ducasse> ena: on asus boards other os usually disables sb.
[14:33] <ikonia> ducasse: not the later ones
[14:33] <ena> well then, now they are deleted and the secure boot is said to be disabled ^^
[14:33] <ena> i'll retry installation I guess
[14:33] <ikonia> ducasse: you have to delete the private keys, but leave the others
[14:33] <ducasse> ikonia: ok.
[14:34] <ikonia> ducasse: it's garbage
[14:34] <ena> ikonia: there is at the very top the secure boot keys, then PK keys, then KEK management and then DB management
[14:34] <ena> i deleted the first ones
[14:34] <ikonia> ena: and you just deleted the PK keys right ?
[14:35] <ena> no, the secure boot keys
[14:35] <ena> it's a different menu
[14:35] <ikonia> the PK keys are the secure boot keys
[14:35] <ikonia> it doesn't matter, it says disabled now
[14:35] <ena> yes
[14:35] <ena> if I choose "other OS" it hides the menu for the keys
[14:35] <ena> should I select windows or other OS then?
[14:35] <laura_> I think my keyboard turns off during boot sequence
[14:36] <ducasse> ena: never mind that, sb is off now.
[14:36] <laura_> I have an efi/mixed system
[14:36] <ena> ok :°
[14:36] <ena> :)
[14:37] <noobuntu> Is there a way to make themes like arc not touch firefox?
[14:37] <laura_> Hi guys how do i enable keyboard during boot up
[14:37] <ena> noobuntu: maybe install a theme for firefox itself?
[14:37] <laura_> Cos i think thats the problem
[14:38] <laura_> Cos i seem to be pressing and nothing is working
[14:38] <noobuntu> ena no non cringy themes all over the top ones
[14:38] <k1l_> noobuntu: isnt there a setting in firefox not to use the system theme?
[14:38] <noobuntu> k1l_ i'l check
[14:41] <laura_> Please help i dont know what do??
[14:41] <laura_> How do i turn on keyboard for boot up
[14:41] <ena> laura_: could it be linked to your keyboard being PS2 keyboard?
[14:41] <laura_> So i can press Right shift to show grub
[14:41] <laura_> ena: i dont think so i have Hp keyboard
[14:42] <ena> it is a laptop?
[14:42] <laura_> Nope its a desktop
[14:42] <laura_> I can get into BIOS
[14:42] <laura_> Just not into GRUB
[14:42] <ena> uh
[14:42] <ena> weird o_O
[14:43] <laura_> Idk what to do
[14:43] <ducasse> laura_: in my bios there is an option to enable/disable usb before the os boots, do you have that?
[14:44] <laura_> ducasse: i'll check
[14:44] <k1l_> laura_: as i said: you need to hit the timing right after the bios and right before grub is done.
[14:45] <laura_> ducasse: where do i see whether usb is enabled or not
[14:45] <ducasse> laura_: i don't know your bios.
[14:46] <laura_> I dont think i have this option
[14:46] <laura_> It can boot from USB stick
[14:46] <laura_> So surely it must be enabled
[14:47] <ducasse> laura_: should be, but then the keyboard should also be working. try spamming left shift instead of holding it down or only pressing once.
[14:47] <ctjctj> We have a number of users that have laptops.  Those laptops are running a VM with 14.04LTS server for development purposes.  We are having an issue where the user is moving from one network to another and the VM is not picking up this change "fast enough".  What is the best way to detect that the network has changed and that we should get a new lease from the dhcp servers?
[14:47] <cfhowlett> ctjctj, interesting query!  perhaps best asked in #ubuntu-server
[14:48] <laura_> ducasse: i tried that but it isnt working :(((
[14:48] <laura_> Been pressing it like my life depended on it :(
[14:48] <laura_> I dont think ubuntu 16.04 likes my graphics card
[14:48] <ducasse> laura_: if neither esc or left shift works i have no idea.
[14:49] <ctjctj> laura_, It sounds like you need to boot into a boot selector of some sort (late to the party am I) have you looked up documentation for your BIOS on how to get your boot selector to come up?  Many modern BIOS's have that option.
[14:49] <laura_> ctjctj: do u mean like Boot setup???
[14:49] <laura_> Where it lists boot devices
[14:50] <ctjctj> Sort of.  Most modern BIOS have a "Setup" and "Boot menu" option.  If you can get to the boot menu option you can select your USB device if it is allowed.
[14:51] <laura_> ctjctj: im not trying to boot USB but my hard drive
[14:51] <laura_> I cant show GRUB thats the thing
[14:51] <ctjctj> Ok.  Is grub installed on your HD?
[14:51] <laura_> If there was a problem with GRUB it surely would say on screen
[14:51] <ducasse> laura_: it seems to boot, though, doesn't it?
[14:51] <laura_> ducasse: uep
[14:51] <laura_> *yep
[14:51] <laura_> I can tell
[14:52] <ctjctj> If it boots then you can update the grub configuration to show the grub menu.
[14:52] <ducasse> laura_: ok, then forget that. can you login via ssh?
[14:52] <ducasse> ctjctj: no, that's the problem :)
[14:52] <laura_> ctjctj: nope i cant boot into my system
[14:52] <ctjctj> ducasse, does ctrl-alt-F1 drop her to a text console?
[14:52] <laura_> And i need to show GRUB so i can set nomodeset for grub
[14:53] <laura_> ducasse: whats ssh
[14:53] <ctjctj> ducasse, sounds like openssh-server isn't installed....
[14:54] <ducasse> ctjctj: it isn't by default, so probably not.
[14:54] <skinux> Need help installing Broadcom Wireless-N 300 driver onto a machine with no internet. I'd like to download all DEB packages required for this and copy them over to the machine to be installed. BUT, I don't know which packages to download?
[14:54] <ctjctj> laura_, so you are attempting to gain access to a system where you have no display but you can see it booting into Ubuntu.  Have you tried ctrl-alt-F1 or ctrl-alt-F2?
[14:55] <vincent_> how to setup irc on empathy client?
[14:55] <John[Lisbeth]> Ok I have put a bang in myscript.sh and I have given my self permission to run it. When I run ./.myscript.sh it runs smoothly. However I can not get it to run as autostart in gnome
[14:56] <ctjctj> laura_, do you have a liveCD you can boot from?
[14:56] <vincent_> how to use irc chat rooms with empathy
[14:58] <ena> John[Lisbeth]: do the autostart scripts need a specific user for gnome?
[14:58] <ena> or specific group?
[14:58] <John[Lisbeth]> vincent_: maybe this answers your question? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/empathy-use-one-application-to-im-chat-on-all-networks-linux/
[14:58] <k1l_> vincent_: why not use a program that is made for irc like hexchat?
[14:59] <rixon> Hi. I'm having a little trouble with .bashrc - how does it get executed on login? when I connect via ssh, my ~/.bashrc doesn't get loaded... but it does if I then just execute bash
[14:59] <ducasse> John[Lisbeth]: i don't know much about gnome, never used it, but maybe autostart expects .desktop files?
[14:59] <John[Lisbeth]> ena: I'm not sure. I just typed superkey and typed autostart to open the autostart settings and I typed in the path to my shell script
[14:59] <John[Lisbeth]> I am able to run regular commands through the autostart menu but it is really wonky. It doesn't accept parameters such as && or ;
[14:59] <ena> John[Lisbeth]: I'd suggest you take a look at the others scripts ran by this autostart file, and see who they belong to
[14:59] <John[Lisbeth]> I am thinking it does not execute what you put in there as bash
[14:59] <ena> and to which group
[15:00] <John[Lisbeth]> hold on I'll post my .config/autostart/scriptname
[15:00] <skinux> How do I download DEB packages for Broadcom Wireless-N 300, just download, not install?
[15:00] <skinux> I need to download packages for 16.04, using 14.04
[15:01] <ducasse> skinux: apt-get download, but the 14.04 packages will not be the same as for 16.04. get them from packages.ubuntu.com instead.
[15:02] <ctjctj> skinux, did you read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/146425/how-can-i-install-and-download-drivers-without-internet
[15:02] <skinux> What section of packages should I look under?
[15:03] <irregular> hi guys there's https_proxy="https://someip:8080/"  in my /etc/environment, how do i remove the line it says the file is read only
[15:03] <NiceFriend> Lets talk in pv. . Do u want? Ok? No? Okay
[15:03] <John[Lisbeth]> ok its finally working when I made a file in .config/autostart/myfile
[15:03] <John[Lisbeth]> ty for your help
[15:04] <ena> \o/
[15:04] <ctjctj> skinux, what I ended up doing a long time ago was booting, trying to do the install (apt search package).  It would tell me what it wanted.  I would then go to an internet connected machine and downloaded the packages that the machine told me it would need.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> vincent_, or install  account-plugin-irc
[15:04] <skinux> I'm asking what section of packages.ubuntu.com I need to look in to find the packages
[15:04] <ducasse> irregular: use sudo or gksudo to run the editor.
[15:04] <irregular> nevermind I couldn't open it from emacs but I went to terminal and used sudo vi /etc/environment
[15:05] <irregular> ducasse:thx
[15:05] <irregular> ducasse:is it safe to directly edit this file though?
[15:05] <skinux> I don't even know what package(s) to download right now
[15:05] <ducasse> irregular: as safe as editing any other file.
[15:05] <irregular> ducasse:are the effects immediate?
[15:05] <ducasse> skinux: search for broadcom?
[15:06] <irregular> ducasse:i couldn't push to any git repos with that in place
[15:06] <ducasse> irregular: no, on logout/login.
[15:07] <the-erm> Is it a sane idea to update to 16.04.1 if you MUST have wifi?
[15:07] <akik> the-erm: what do you mean? is your wifi adapter not working?
[15:08] <ena> ducasse EriC^^ ikonia GOODNESS IT FINALLY WORKS
[15:08] <ena> thank you all for your support =)
[15:08] <ducasse> ena: \o/ :-D
[15:08] <the-erm> I've heard enough reports that 16.04 was broken when it came to wifi support.
[15:08] <akik> the-erm: ok that's just fud
[15:09] <akik> !fud
[15:09] <the-erm> akik: it's not fud if it actually happened.
[15:09] <akik> the-erm: certain wifi adapters might be missing linux support, yes
[15:10] <laura_> Yeah ido have a live CD
[15:10] <akik> the-erm: but to say wifi doesn't work in 16.04 is just fud
[15:10] <rixon> useless angry fuckers
[15:11] <skinux> Also, what is the BEST desktop environment for a dual-core 2Ghz 32-bit machine with 500MB RAM?
[15:11] <skinux> Would it be MATE or Xfce, or something else?
[15:11] <ducasse> skinux: a window manager.
[15:12] <akik> skinux: lxde
[15:12] <pushpop> Anyone with an AMD 280X video card get AMD propitary drivers installed correctly?  I want to be able to play steam games and have VMWare be able to use 3D accelerated graphics for my VM.
[15:14] <k1l_> skinux: dual core and 32bit? are you sure?
[15:14] <k1l_> but with 500mb ram , i would say lubuntu
[15:14] <ducasse> pushpop: aiui, there is radeon, and amdgpu if your card supports it.
[15:15] <filippo> aaaaaaa
[15:15] <skinux> Okay, it errored that it is missing DKMS...so I need to download several packages?
[15:16] <skinux> Maybe not dual-core
[15:16] <ducasse> skinux: you need dkms, the broadcom packages and build-essentials + dependencies.
[15:18] <ducasse> !pm | pushpop
[15:19] <pushpop> rawr
[15:19] <pushpop> OK
[15:19] <ducasse> pushpop: afaik there are no extra amd drivers to install on 16.04.
[15:20] <pushpop> so I'm sh*t out of luck?
[15:20] <skinux> When I do 'ifup -a' it does DHCPDISCOVER a bunch of times on 255.255.255.255. I think it's trying to do it to the wrong IP. How do I configure that?
[15:21] <ducasse> pushpop: fglrx is no longer being developed by amd, there is radeon and the new amdgpu.
[15:21] <pushpop> i tried to install amdgpu but had no luck
[15:21] <skinux> My laptop shows 255.255.255.0, so I think I need to configure this other machine to use that instead of 255.255.255.255
[15:22] <ducasse> pushpop: your card is probably not among those supported.
[15:22] <Scrivener> Don't know whether this is an Ubuntu question or a postgres question. Friend runs a personal blog and wanted to set up some backups (headless ubuntu 14.04 server). In discovering that the pg_ctl command (for pg_ctl reload) was not found, Ubuntu suggested he install another package (postgres-xc) containing it. He installed it, it completely broke postgres, but he managed to get it successfully removed and is able to run postgresql again;
[15:22] <Scrivener> however, it claims his databases no longer exist.
[15:22] <Scrivener> Does postgresql-xc *overwrite* the data files/directories generated by postgres?
[15:22] <tgm4883> skinux: no it needs to use 255.255.255.255
[15:22] <pagios> hi all, so i have 2 screens and the order is wrong the right one should be left as i am expending them, i did nvidia-settings and arranged that when i apressed apply it works then i saved that config to /etc/X11/xorg.conf for some resason after a reboot the order is reversed again how can i fix
[15:22] <skinux> tgm4883: Well, that's not what this laptop uses, and the one I'm setting up gets no response.
[15:23] <tgm4883> skinux: 255.255.255.255 is the broadcast address for the local network
[15:23] <skinux> Umm, this lappy lists Bcast as 255.255.255.0
[15:24] <BluesKaj> pushpop, xserver-xorg-video-radeon or xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu are your choices
[15:24] <pagios> i am running ubuntu 15
[15:24] <skinux> Or is it different for wireless connections?
[15:24] <pagios> `6
[15:24] <tgm4883> skinux: sorry you are misunderstanding. "A special definition exists for the IP broadcast address 255.255.255.255. It is the broadcast address of the zero network or 0.0.0.0, which in Internet Protocol standards stands for this network, i.e. the local network. Transmission to this address is limited by definition, in that it is never forwarded by the routers
[15:24] <tgm4883> connecting the local network to other networks."
[15:24] <tgm4883> skinux: from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address
[15:24] <skinux> Okay
[15:24] <skinux> Then I don't understand why it doesn't get response.
[15:25] <udd> HY ! I want to recover my filter on ThunderBird,  but I don't have the file profil folde, is it possible to recover it ?
[15:25] <tgm4883> skinux: do other hosts get ip addresses on the same network?
[15:25] <skinux> Yes
[15:25] <tgm4883> skinux: home or work lan?
[15:25] <skinux> home
[15:26] <tgm4883> skinux: dchp server hung maybe?
[15:26] <skinux> I seriously doubt that
[15:27] <skinux> Oh wait. My brother had locked the router down by MAC address. I wonder if the ethernet is being denied because it's not listed.
[15:27] <tgm4883> skinux: that's a possibility
[15:27] <skinux> I'll have to wait until my Dad gets up. He has the admin password for the router.
[15:27] <nuxusernew> Hello, I am using ubuntu 16.04 on a i3 laptop with a nvidia 330M and I am unable to get nidia-prime to work i am using intel microcode and nvidia-304. Google is providing no results and i am stuck...
[15:29] <nuxusernew> when i run nvidia-settings in terminal it says that prime is not supported
[15:29] <BluesKaj> pushpop, juat install the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, it seems to be the driver for the 280x
[15:30] <rasputin_> .
[15:35] <akira42> hello
[15:36] <akira42> when I can't upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, when I run do-release-upgrade it does a bunch of stuff and then tells me my system is already up-to-date?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> open your update manager and enable LTS release only, akira42
[15:38] <akira42> BluesKaj: I already tried to upgrade with the update, but it fails there as well
[15:39] <akira42> (it also still says Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS is available and that I have 14.04)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> akira42, update and upgrade your existing packages  then try again
[15:40] <akira42> also, apt-get update returns now some warnings about multi-arch type packages?
[15:41] <akira42> the upgrade fails at the second step "setting new software channels"
[15:46] <laura_> I think my video card just failed :((
[15:46] <rolodata>  /join
[15:47] <laura_> i rlly need grub
[15:47] <laura_> Trust me i tried everything
[15:47] <\9> laura_: that's unfortunate. what does it have with ubuntu, though?
[15:47] <\9> what does this have to do with grub?
[15:47] <laura_> It doesnt load ubuntu
[15:47] <laura_> Or anything ubuntu related
[15:47] <ash_workz> does ubuntu keep old history in a backup somewhere?
[15:48] <ctjctj> laura_, did you try the ctrl-alt-F1 key sequence?
[15:48] <\9> what happens if you try to load it?
[15:48] <\9> ash_workz: history of what?
[15:48] <ash_workz> bash command history
[15:49] <\9> bash command history is stored in ~/.bash_history
[15:49] <ash_workz> right, it gets pushed off after a certain number, I was wondering if backups were kept
[15:49] <laura_> ctjctj what does it do
[15:49] <\9> ash_workz: afaik no
[15:49] <ash_workz> :(
[15:50] <\9> ash_workz: ubuntu by itself doesn't log anything, it's up to the individual applications (such as bash here) to log their stuff
[15:50] <ctjctj> laura_, by default when ubuntu desktop boots it attempts to start an X display on VT7.  the ctrl-alt-Fx sequence switches to a different vt (virtual terminal)
[15:50] <ash_workz> \9: yeah, I dunno why I thought it appropriate to ask here
[15:50] <ctjctj> VT1 through VT6 normally have stty running on them which is a login prompt.
[15:51] <ctjctj> So often, when X won't start or you are seeing video issues you can switch to VT1-VT6, log in and do CLI work.
[15:52] <rypervenche> ash_workz: You can change how many lines are stored of your history.
[15:52] <ash_workz> rypervenche: too late for that now :{
[15:52] <ducasse> ash_workz: might not be for the next time it happens ;)
[15:52] <rypervenche> ash_workz: You should be backing up your important data. Now might be a good time to implement that.
[15:54] <ctjctj> ash_workz, the definition of a good backup plan/system is the backup plan you should have put in place last week/last month just before bad thing happened to you.
[15:54] <ash_workz> rypervenche: yeah; backing up and filesize configuration are two different matters in this case (both of which would benefit me). Idk that generally I would consider very old history important, but it has seemed useful enough to maybe start to
[15:55] <ctjctj> There are a couple of good backup tools available in ubuntu for local backups.
[15:55] <ash_workz> ctjctj: well, I haven't lost any work perse. This is more of a "how did I do that again?"
[15:55] <rypervenche> ash_workz: If you had a backup, you could grab your old .bash_history that you needed.
[15:55] <ash_workz> rypervenche: yeah, we're on the same page :)
[15:55] <ctjctj> For an enterprise level solution I use Amanda to Amazon S3.  Costs me about USD 15/month for lots and lots of backups.
[15:56] <ctjctj> ash_workz, given that you lost "how did I do that last week" what is it you are attempting to do?
[15:56] <rypervenche> ash_workz: That has happened to me. I hav 62 days worth of backups, one for every day. And I set my bash history to be one million lines, so I'll always have everything. I overwrote my .bash_history recently and didn't realize for a while. I was able to merge it with my current one.
[15:57] <ctjctj> rypervenche, oh my, 1million lines?
[15:57] <rypervenche> ctjctj: Always overestimate :) I won't go over one million :)
[15:58] <ctjctj> rypervenche, what is the unit of measurement for HISTFILESIZE?
[15:58] <curlyears> 16.04 just interrupted what I was doing and announced an "update available."   I started it, and was watching in fascination ( :p ) as the various packages and piecers downloaded, extracted, etc.  Suddenly I got a "Program error detected." message, withno furnter information included.  I opted to "report error" and I got a seconmd "program error de
[15:58] <curlyears> tected" with ye another option to report.  I opted to report, and then it jumped back to my update, went through all kinds of stufff, the told me the update did nnot complete correctly, and that nothing was installed.  WTF?
[15:59] <\9> curlyears: open up a terminal and hit 'sudo apt-get --fix-broken install'
[15:59] <ctjctj> curlyears, nothing was installed but lots was downloaded.  This is a win.
[15:59] <rypervenche> ctjctj: https://k.ryp.io/view/3e2b32d1
[16:00] <ctjctj> rypervenche, Oh I did believe you.  I'm in my .bashrc about to up my history size.
[16:00] <rypervenche> ctjctj: Make sure you do both of those variables, or it will still get cut off.
[16:01] <curlyears> Reading package lists... Done
[16:01] <curlyears> Building dependency tree
[16:01] <curlyears> Reading state information... Done
[16:01] <curlyears> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 154 not upgraded.
[16:01] <curlyears> sorry for pasting in here, I forgot to use pastbinit
[16:01] <ctjctj> curlyears, sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:02] <ctjctj> rypervenche, HISTSIZE from man bash : Numeric values less than zero result in every
[16:02] <ctjctj>               command  being  saved  on  the history list (there is no limit
[16:02] <ctjctj> Hmm, I think that might be better than your 1million?
[16:02] <laura_> ctjctj: ok i'll try that and get back to u
[16:02] <rypervenche> ctjctj: You win.
[16:02] <curlyears> here we go again
[16:03] <curlyears> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:03] <curlyears>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.deb
[16:03] <curlyears> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:03] <ctjctj> rypervenche, we had an ex employee that did everything as root.  And he went into every .bashrc and set HISTSIZE to 0.
[16:03] <ctjctj> Peeved me off no end.  Which lead to him no longer working for us.
[16:04] <\9> sounds like a someone who shouldn't have root
[16:04] <rypervenche> ctjctj: A good choice. Looks like I'll be setting it to -1 for both now. Thanks for that.
[16:04] <ctjctj> curlyears, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.dep and then try the upgrade again
[16:04] <curlyears> reminder to self:  avoid peeving ctjctj off
[16:05] <ctjctj> curlyears, *laughs*  You don't have to worry about it.
[16:05] <curlyears> rm: cannot remove '/var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.dep': No such file or directory
[16:05] <\9> hm
[16:05] <curlyears> What?  *ME* worry!???   :p
[16:06] <ctjctj> curlyears, /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg8_8d1-2_amd64.deb sorry, I didn't cut and paste the first time
[16:06] <genii> .deb, not .dep
[16:06] <ctjctj> Remove the file that upgrade was complaining about and it will download a copy again.
[16:06] <ctjctj> If it fails again make sure you have enough disk space.
[16:07] <curlyears> well over 200GB disk space available
[16:08] <\9> if it fails again then try `sudo apt-get clean`, i guess
[16:10] <ctjctj> \9, I agree with the clean.
[16:10] <curlyears> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21414348/
[16:11] <ctjctj> curlyears, looks good!
[16:16] <curlyears> ctjctj:  so everything is hunkey dory, then?
[16:16] <laura_> ctjctj: i successfully got into a consolw
[16:16] <curlyears> sorry for the delay, nature call
[16:16] <laura_> Im in a text terminal now
[16:16] <laura_> Not a GUI
[16:17] <ctjctj> No, I have to choose between to horrid political candidates.  But your upgrade went cleanly so that is hunky dory.
[16:17] <ctjctj> laura_, yep.  Now you can log in, edit your grub configuration, update your grub and be a happy camper!
[16:17] <laura_> ctjctj how do i do this
[16:17] <laura_> I have no clue
[16:17]  * ctjctj hopes that the next question isn't "How do I do this?"
[16:18] <laura_> What to do
[16:18] <tito78> hello
[16:18] <laura_> Oh ok
[16:18] <tito78> !list
[16:18]  * ctjctj is laughing.  "No problem laura_ "
[16:18] <ctjctj> laura_, have you ever used a command line editor?
[16:19] <laura_> ctjctj: im glad at least i have something
[16:19] <laura_> Yeah i did
[16:19] <curlyears> ctjctj:   just remember Love Trumps Hate
[16:19] <curlyears> :p
[16:19] <curlyears> thank you all
[16:19] <ctjctj> ok, log into that terminal window.  run "nano learn.to.edit.txt" and play with it until you are comfortable.
[16:19] <ctjctj> curlyears, you are welcome.
[16:20] <laura_> Im  so happy i can login even if the screen is black and there is just text lol
[16:20] <ctjctj> laura_, we are going to be doing some edits of as root and modifying system files.  You do *not* want to typo when doing that.
[16:20] <laura_> ctjctj: ok i think im cool now xd
[16:21] <ctjctj> So I'm going to let you play with that editor for a bit.  Edit the file. add text to it. delete text, save files.  exit.  Use "more learn.to.edit.txt" from the command line prompt to verify it looks like you expect.
[16:21] <ctjctj> Once you are happy with that you'll edit your grub configuration and update grub so that the next time it boots it will have the kernel option AND the grub menu will pop for 5 seconds for you.
[16:22] <ARIES1b> as
[16:23] <GridCube> where should i look if my utf8 composing isnt working, like i press ctrl-shift-u and does nothing :/
[16:23] <GridCube> i don't know where to look
[16:24] <laura_> ctjctj; i know it sounds silly but wheb i type in ^X it doesnt exit
[16:25] <laura_> How do i access those things at the bottom
[16:25] <laura_> Like "indent" abd "copy"??
[16:25] <ctjctj> laura_, depending on OS level and which grub you'll be looking at /etc/default/grub* for setting configurations.  GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 will get you the grub menu.  (checking.  I don't use nano unless forced. If you are comfortable with vim or emacs...)
[16:26] <laura_> ctjctj: thank u so much for help!!!
[16:26] <ctjctj> Those things at the bottom are just hints for you.  if you type ^X (ctrl-X) it will exit
[16:26] <laura_> AHHH so ^ means control???
[16:26] <laura_> Thank u i was so confused xD
[16:27] <laura_> Tbh i backed up all my files before upgrading, soooo happy i did rthat
[16:27] <laura_> Now i can just play around hahaha
[16:27] <ctjctj> laura_, yes, ^ means ctrl.  Reminds me of my dad trying to print and not knowing that that "thing" up there was actually an icon for a printer.  (Or me not knowing that a "hamburger" in a web page was a menu)
[16:27] <ctjctj> laura_, now you understand why I want you to play with the editor *first*
[16:27] <laura_> Well, a little bit
[16:27] <laura_> Dont wanna do too much damge
[16:28] <laura_> Hahaha
[16:28] <laura_> I just want to learn for future
[16:28] <ctjctj> I don't want to teach you how to boot from a liveCD and perform a rescue.
[16:28] <laura_> hahaha im cool thanks xD im very careful
[16:28] <laura_> So far
[16:30] <curlyears> actually, since I *AM* running ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS, I sup[pose this is, technically, an ubuntu issue:  ny motherboard BIOS somehow can't seem to handle having 3TB drives hooked to it.  It SAYS it can, but hokking a 3TB drive to it, weven when explcitly booting from a 250GB SSD, screws things up bigtime.  So, will it work correctly if I plug one of t
[16:30] <curlyears> he 3TB drives into a USB-->SATA adaptor?
[16:30] <ctjctj> I'm from an older school.  I can remember booting our Cray X/MP in single user mode for a system upgrade/install and firing off a couple of getty's on other terminals so I had multiple terminals to work from.  The system engineers from Home Base (Mendota Heights) were telling me it wouldn't work.   I did that install in 48 hours, the book says 1 week...
[16:31] <curlyears> laura_:  I hope you don't mind my insertuing myself into your discussion, but how (what keys did you press) did you create that grimacing emoji?
[16:31] <ctjctj> curlyears, "screws things up big time" isn't a useful description of the problem.
[16:32] <ctjctj> curlyears, hexchat says "x" "D"
[16:33] <laura_> curlyears: i created an emoji??? I didnt even know lol
[16:34] <leonardo_> #SaoPaulo
[16:34] <curlyears> ctjctj:  the probelm is, that the problems were complex and ionconsistent.  One time, it would scrww up one way, later it would screw up a different.  One thing that WAS consistent was that no matter which ubuntu I installled, 14.04.4 or 16.04, after it had said it had installed correctly, and to restart the system, the new installl wouldn't boot,
[16:34] <curlyears> ang alwasy hung where the BIOS was "Checking DMI pool."   I *FINALLY (after months of frustration), http://paste.ubuntu.com/21414348/
[16:34] <curlyears> en with the help of many good people here, found an article that explained the probelm, and suggested that this Gigabyte motherboarrd was not well suited to run systems wujth >2TB drivesm despite their marketing claims
[16:35] <curlyears> \I don't knbow how that URL got in there..sorry
[16:35] <curlyears> so I am understandably, I think, leary of hooking it up, even through a USB to SATA adaptor
[16:36] <ctjctj> curlyears, thanks for explaining.  Your work around might be to partition the drive and have a /boot partition as well as an /efi partition.  Not sure if both are needed.
[16:37] <ctjctj> Once grub has loaded it uses its own drivers so no matter how messed up the BIOS/MB is you should be good to move on.
[16:37] <curlyears> well, I am not planning on booting from the 3TB drive.  I  have the 250GB SSD for booting from.
[16:37] <curlyears> I do have to get around to moving logs onto an HDD, so I don't wear out my SSD with excessive writing\
[16:38] <ctjctj> Which FS are you using?
[16:38] <curlyears> I don't thinkn I need to wowrry about the swap wearing things out.  I have 24GB of RAM, and the installer automagically created a 24GB swap partition, but I seriously doubt it will ever be used for anything
[16:39] <curlyears> uhm...not sure how to answer that.  My boot sdrive is set for ext4, as would the drive I place onthe USB port
[16:40] <ctjctj> I don't think it will make a difference but what I've been recommending is to use BTRFS on your drives with everything stored on your spinning media but with an SSD as a front cache for it.
[16:41] <laura_> ctjctj: im happy to go
[16:41] <ctjctj> If find it very unusual that a MB would be able to mess with SATA transfers after you are running a linux kernel.
[16:41] <stanton> i am having issues getting mythTV working on ubuntu 16.04.1 when selecting country and language and clicking save it crashes with exit code 139 i have checked and confirmed that my time zone is correct in bios as well as the settings in Ubuntu. does anyone know of away to fix this issue?
[16:41] <ctjctj> laura_, great!  So look in /etc/default and see if you can find a grub configuration file.
[16:43] <laura_> ctjctj: i have no idea what to type
[16:44] <ctjctj> cd /etc/default then "ls" look for a file named grub
[16:44] <laura_> Is it just /etc/defaultp
[16:44] <ctjctj> laura_, there should be a file in /etc/default named "grub"
[16:45] <laura_> I typed that in
[16:45] <ctjctj> do you see a file named grub?
[16:45] <laura_> And it just responded with "grub"
[16:45] <laura_> I typed in "ls grub"
[16:45] <laura_> And output is "grub"
[16:45] <ctjctj> Ok.  That's fine.  sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[16:46] <ctjctj> You should see a line that reads "GRUB_TIMEOUT=???"  I don't know what the ??? is, likely 0
[16:46] <laura_> ctjctj: yes it says 0
[16:46] <ctjctj> Change that to "10" and then save and exit
[16:46] <laura_> Thats it?
[16:46] <laura_> Ok
[16:47] <ctjctj> now: sudo update-grub
[16:47] <ptah> he might be using older ubuntu i dont have grub either in /etc/default
[16:47] <laura_> Oh wait
[16:47] <laura_> It says
[16:47] <laura_> "grub hidden timeout=0"
[16:47] <laura_> And "grub timeout=10"
[16:47] <laura_> Which one do i change???
[16:48] <ctjctj> Can I assume there are underscores in there and it is capitalized? Comment (put a # in front of) the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 should be uncommented.
[16:49] <laura_> Ok so basically i just put a hash in front of grub hidden timeout
[16:49] <ctjctj> laura_, yes and then make sure that GRUB_TIMEOUT is active at 10
[16:50] <laura_> So it looks like "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0"
[16:50] <ctjctj> Yes.
[16:50] <ctjctj> and there is a line that reads "GRUB_TIMEOUT=10"
[16:50] <ctjctj> then save and exit.  sudo update-grub
[16:51] <raynebc> I've been working with VirtualBox support trying to resolve a problem where their guest additions prevent X11 from starting in some Linux distributions such as Ubuntu 15 and 16.  Is this an appropriate place to discuss this?
[16:52] <ctjctj> raynebc, with KVM that is sometimes caused by a problem with the virtual video drivers.  You can sometimes change the simulated/virtualized hardware and get it to work.
[16:53] <ctjctj> for me it was installing windows 7 or 10, don't remember which and it locked up until I change the virtual hardware.
[16:54] <raynebc> I can't find much to change in Virtalbox regarding video hardware.  It really only offers the ability to specify how much VRAM to present, how many monitors to present, whether to scale the display and whether to enable 2D/3D acceleration.
[16:55] <raynebc> On one of three computers I use, guest additions newer than a mid-April breaks the graphics environment in my Ubuntu VMs unless I disable the 3D acceleration.  Neither they nor I can figure out why.  And I definitely have no significant expertise with Linux.
[16:55] <ctjctj> raynebc, sorry, we have exceeded my knowledge of VB.
[16:56] <curlyears> ctjctj:   apparently I didn't explain well:  it is the other way around.   The SATA porst appear to be mucking up the motherboard operation
[16:56] <raynebc> ctjctj thank you anyway.
[16:57] <ctjctj> curlyears, I was afraid that was what you meant.  .45 cal at about 10 paces to the MB and then replace the broken hardware is a quick fix for that.
[16:58] <ctjctj> did I loose a line from laura_ ?
[16:58] <laura_> ctjctj: hello i did the change
[16:58] <laura_> And now it says "file to write"
[16:58] <ctjctj> Hit the return key
[16:58] <curlyears> ctjctj: yeah, that's what the filk over in ##hardware suggested as well.  Problem is, it would take me 12-18 months to oput aside enough money to replace this motherboard
[16:59] <laura_> Ok i did that
[16:59] <laura_> Now sudo update-grub?
[16:59] <ctjctj> Now do the sudo update-grub
[16:59] <laura_> How do i get out of /etc/default
[17:00] <laura_> So its just prompt
[17:00] <laura_> No directory
[17:00] <ctjctj> laura_, it is just a prompt.  You don't need to worry about it.  the shell is just telling you what your current working directory is (CWD)
[17:01] <ctjctj> Did the update-grub run for you?
[17:01] <laura_> ctjctj: yes
[17:01] <laura_> Its done
[17:02] <laura_> What do i do
[17:02] <laura_> How to i boot
[17:02] <ctjctj> Ok.  You are going to do a reboot.  You should see the grub menu this time and have 10 seconds to respond.  Edit the kernel line to add the parameter you gave way ^^^^^ up there.  Let it boot with that option.  If X comes up great! and we'll move on. (more)
[17:03] <laura_> How do i reboot
[17:03] <laura_> Do i jusr type in reboot
[17:03] <ctjctj> to boot: "sudo shutdown -P -h +1" that will power down the computer.  Once it is powered down turn it on and that's your boot.
[17:03] <ctjctj> "shutdown -r +1" is a reboot but I want a full power cycle.
[17:04] <laura_> ctjctj: thank u!
[17:04] <laura_> Tbh i dont mind if this fails, i can always reinstall hahaha
[17:05] <laura_> Oh this is weird
[17:05] <ctjctj> We aren't done yet.  Just getting closer.  Once you know the kernel parameter works for you then we'll go back to the /etc/default/grup file and add the option there.
[17:05] <ctjctj> laura_, I agree, I'm very wierd.
[17:05] <laura_> I saw the xubuntu blue screen of shutting down
[17:05] <laura_> Like the actual graphical screen
[17:05] <laura_> Thats so weird
[17:05] <ctjctj> And getting help from strangers is weirder still.
[17:05] <ctjctj> That's not X
[17:06] <laura_> why cant it log me into GUI but can show the shut down screen xDDDD
[17:06] <laura_> Thats actually really funny
[17:06] <laura_> YAY IT SHOWS GRUB!!!!!!
[17:07] <laura_> SUCCESS!!!!!
[17:07] <laura_> IM SO HAPPY
[17:07] <laura_> Im actually doing somsthing right for once
[17:07] <laura_> Thank u for help!!!
[17:07] <ctjctj> Because that shutdown screen and start up screen is being done on a terminal like what you were editing in.  Just a bit fancier.  (Simplified greatly).  The next step is for lightdm to run which in turn starts up X.
[17:07] <ctjctj> X uses video drivers and is to put it very bluntly "complex"
[17:08] <ctjctj> So linux/unix keeps it simple for as long as possible and then, only when it is happy the system is running, it starts X which is the base of your GUI.
[17:08] <ctjctj> laura_, you are welcome.  Now lets see if you can get your GUI running with that kernel option.
[17:09] <laura_> So wait do i just press "e" to edit first option
[17:09] <laura_> ?
[17:10] <ctjctj> laura_, yes
[17:10] <laura_> Oj
[17:10] <laura_> *ok
[17:10] <laura_> So im in grub
[17:11] <laura_> Pressed "e"
[17:11] <laura_> And now
[17:11] <laura_> I have a lot of text
[17:11] <laura_> It says quiet splash
[17:11] <laura_> So after that
[17:11] <laura_> Do i just type "nomodeset"?
[17:11] <ctjctj> Yes, make sure there is a space
[17:11] <laura_> So its "ro quiet splash nomodeset"
[17:11] <ctjctj> that looks good to me.
[17:12] <ctjctj> (which is wishy washy speak for "i'm not sure but it should work")
[17:13] <ctjctj> The help should tell you how to continue.  Which you'll do.  If the GUI comes up the world is much better for you.  If it doesn't then that kernel option was not the root cause of no GUI.
[17:13] <laura_> Ok :D
[17:13] <laura_> What actually is nomodeset
[17:14] <laura_> It worked for me when i had the same problem in livecd
[17:14] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[17:14] <laura_> YAYYYYY
[17:14] <laura_> IT WORKED!!!
[17:14] <ctjctj> http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do
[17:14] <laura_> I HAVE LOGIN SCREEN
[17:14] <laura_> YAU
[17:14] <ctjctj> OerHeks, THANKS
[17:14] <akik> :)
[17:14] <OerHeks> yw
[17:14] <laura_> ctjctj: THANK U SO MUCH!!!!!!
[17:14] <laura_> U saved my life dude/girl
[17:14] <ctjctj> laura_, I take payment is good coffee beans....
[17:15] <laura_> OMG I SEE MY DESKTOP!!!!!
[17:15] <laura_> The screen resolution is a bit crap but whatevsd
[17:15] <laura_> I have something
[17:15] <laura_> How do i go from here
[17:15] <ctjctj> laura_, Ok, I'm going to cheat.  Use ctrl-alt-F1, log in; sudo nano /etc/default/grub.  Then add nomodeset to the line with "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" and make sure it isn't commented out.  Then after you save the file "sudo update-grub"
[17:16]  * ctjctj points up a line
[17:16] <OerHeks> !cookie | ctjctj
[17:16] <daxdax89> hey guys
[17:16] <ctjctj> OerHeks, I'm not sure if that's sarcasm? *GRIN*
[17:16] <daxdax89> i have an quick question
[17:16] <daxdax89> not sure if easy
[17:17] <OerHeks> ctjctj, no, i wish it puts a karma point on your launchpad account
[17:17] <laura_> Ok so it looks like
[17:17] <ctjctj> OerHeks, thank you then.  I've been doing this sort of support for about 35 years now.
[17:17] <laura_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[17:18] <daxdax89> how do i know if my motherboard has sata3 support or not?
[17:18] <daxdax89> without opening it?
[17:18] <ctjctj> laura_, that looks right.
[17:18] <OerHeks> daxdax89, the vendor can tell, check the specs on their site?
[17:18] <ducasse> daxdax89: check the manual?
[17:18] <daxdax89> i don't know name bro
[17:18] <daxdax89> only know i have toshiba laptop
[17:19] <OerHeks> laptop + version name + number
[17:19] <ducasse> daxdax89: smartctl can tell you what sata revision the disk is connected as.
[17:19] <daxdax89> yes but i want to know if it supports sata3 so i can connect my new ssd
[17:20] <daxdax89> otherwise i will connect it on pc
[17:20] <tgm4883> daxdax89: "dmesg | grep -i sata | grep 'link up'"
[17:20] <laura_> Ok how so i go back to graphical
[17:20] <laura_> How exit terminal
[17:20] <ctjctj> daxdax89, "lspci -v| less" and search for SATA.  Then you can look up the controller
[17:20] <ctjctj> "exit" is how you exit the terminal login.  CTRL-ALT-F7 to go back to the graphics (remember vt7).
[17:21] <FlipBill> daxdax89, os lshw to see what model computer you have
[17:21] <laura_> ctjctj: THANK U SO MUCH FOR HELP!!!!!
[17:21] <FlipBill> or
[17:21] <laura_> I will try reboot now
[17:21] <ctjctj> For those double checking, CTRL is not needed from a text VT but is needed from the graphical so but it works on the text consoles so I just tell people that.
[17:21] <ctjctj> laura_, go for it!
[17:21] <laura_> Good luck to me
[17:22] <laura_> Hahahaha its happening
[17:22] <ctjctj> It's all simple when you know the magic.
[17:22] <laura_> YAY IT WORKS!!!!
[17:22] <ctjctj> laura_, so what things did you learn today?
[17:23] <laura_> To never give up lok
[17:23] <laura_> *lol
[17:23] <ctjctj> The fact that you are on IRC asking for help tells me that you already knew that.
[17:24] <laura_> I was actually going to go get windows disk today.. Hahahahah
[17:25] <SchrodingersScat> laura_: no, stop, come back
[17:25] <uddane> laura_: don't do it, you'll hate yourself afterward
[17:25] <ctjctj> SchrodingersScat, she has decided to stay on the light side.  We have cookies.
[17:25] <laura_> Hahaha i guess i didnt need to...saved some cash
[17:25] <laura_> :DDD
[17:26] <laura_> Now the only problem is screen resolution
[17:26] <uddane> laura_: is it huge?
[17:26] <laura_> 15.10 i was impressed at how beautiful graphics was for such a crap computer
[17:26] <laura_> uddane: yep it is
[17:26] <laura_> Now everything is bigger and stretched and i cant see date
[17:27] <uddane> laura_: can you see the settings icon? looks like a pizza cutter?
[17:28] <laura_>  Any help with that??? How do i change resolution
[17:28] <laura_> Yea
[17:28] <uddane> laura_: click on it and then go to displays
[17:28] <laura_> Oooh
[17:28] <laura_> I see
[17:28] <laura_> But i cant change resolution
[17:29] <laura_> Or nothing
[17:29] <ctjctj> uddane, pizza cutter?  Wow.  I call it gears but yours is more descriptive.
[17:29] <uddane> laura_: what does it say?
[17:29] <ctjctj> laura_, You likely need a closed/binary video driver.
[17:29] <uddane> ctjctj: I do tech support for a living... gotta keep it simple
[17:29] <laura_> It says "1152x864"
[17:29] <laura_> And refresh rate (whatever that means" is 76 Hz
[17:30] <uddane> laura_: ok click on that and see if it tests for you
[17:30] <tgm4883> uddane: I used to do support. It's a gift to be able to explain things in common terms
[17:30] <laura_> uddane: it doesnt do anythimg
[17:30] <laura_> I have no other options
[17:30] <uddane> laura_: does it have a button to test?
[17:31] <ctjctj> uddane, it is a gift, and when you have been doing it for too long you loose track of the things you just "know" and expect everybody else to know.  Like "^X" means ctrl-x which means "Hold the control key down like it was a shift key and press the X key"
[17:31] <laura_> Nope
[17:31] <uddane> laura_: a little drop down arrow next to it?
[17:31] <laura_> No test key
[17:31] <laura_> Nothing
[17:31] <laura_> Nowhere
[17:32] <uddane> laura_: in the bottom left corner do yo have a 'detect displays' button?
[17:32] <laura_> Yeah ir says "identify displays"
[17:32] <uddane> ctjctj: it's a gift and a curse....
[17:32] <uddane> laura_: click on that
[17:34] <laura_> I clicked
[17:35] <uddane> laura_: ..... and?
[17:35] <laura_> It just says "display default resolution 1152x864"
[17:35] <laura_> Sorry im typing on phone
[17:35] <ctjctj> uddane, can you take her through getting a terminal up and running "sudo lshw -c video"  lets see what driver she has loaded.  I'm guessing she is running on the VESA or something else that's low res.
[17:35] <ctjctj> laura_, if you are doing IRC on a phone my hat's off to you.
[17:36] <daxdax89> i still can't figure out if my lappy supports 6gbps sata 3
[17:36] <laura_> Okauy so it says
[17:36] <laura_> "display: UNCLAIMED"
[17:37] <laura_> "VGA compatible controller"
[17:37] <fml_ssd_broke> Hi! So I installed Xubuntu 16.04 a few weeks ago, and did a hell of a lot of desktop customizations. It seems that my SSD is crapping out. My "data" is safe, but all my configuration not so much. I am currently running ddrescue... but once that's done I am not sure what to do to get back my configurations. Additional issue(s) filesystem is encrypted & home directory is also encrypted. It would save me a hell of a lot of effort 
[17:37] <uddane> ctjctj: I'm not that good...
[17:38] <laura_> So basically i have vga driver
[17:38] <laura_> Whatever that means
[17:38] <laura_> And my display is "unclaimed"
[17:38] <laura_> Like its a lost territory or something lol
[17:38] <ctjctj> Ok, laura_ my opinion is that we have the wrong driver loaded.  Which is normally fixed by installing vendor drivers which will "taint" your kernel.
[17:38] <ctjctj> Not really laura_ this is progress.
[17:39] <laura_> I dont want to kill computer
[17:39] <sslove> fml_ssd_broke, download and install aptik and use it to 1 click backup and restore all your shit
[17:39] <uddane> laura_: you won't kill it...
[17:39] <ctjctj> So move to the upper left corner of your display and you should see a "ubuntu" symbol.  That is the "dash" click on that and it will pop out.  type in terminal and start a terminal.
[17:40] <laura_> i did this hahaha
[17:40] <ctjctj> The terminal will look like the terminals you were using with ctrl-alt-F1.
[17:40] <laura_> Ok so what i type
[17:40] <laura_> ?
[17:40] <noobuntu> does anyone here use unity themes like arc, etc?
[17:40] <laura_> *what i type?
[17:40] <ctjctj> now we need you to cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:41] <ctjctj> It will fill that terminal window.  Then start up a browser and go to pastebin
[17:41] <ctjctj> You'll copy and paste that long dump to pastebin and give us the URL to your pastebin.
[17:42] <fml_ssd_broke> sslove:  I can't boot into the primary partition. I had to do a liveboot. I don't actually have any desktop access to it....
[17:43] <laura_> Ok let me quit and come back on desktop
[17:43] <fml_ssd_broke> I mean I am running off livecd. I have several HDD so I'm doing an image copy using ddrescue...
[17:43] <fml_ssd_broke> after that i'm blank on how to do anything...
[17:44] <ctjctj> laura_, http://www.pastebin.ca/upload.php is easier you want to upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:44] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, you need to hope you didn't loose your encryption key.  Otherwise you might just be copying "random" data.
[17:44] <lauraa> hello im back
[17:45] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; home directory encryption key?
[17:45] <tgm4883> ctjctj: easier would be 'cat <filepath> | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:45] <ctjctj> tgm4883, thanks.  I don't use pastebin very often.
[17:46] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, you said "the filesystem and home directory are encrypted"  So yes, either of those keys
[17:46] <ctjctj> tgm4883, is netcat installed by default?
[17:46] <reisio> people not using pastebins very often is exactly why helper scripts are useful for that
[17:46] <tgm4883> ctjctj: yea should be
[17:46] <reisio> pastebinit or an alternative should really be preinstalled, if it isn't
[17:47] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; I have one passphrase when my homedir was created?
[17:47] <fml_ssd_broke> Is that what you mean?
[17:47] <tgm4883> reisio: sounds like a bug report is necessary
[17:47] <lauraa> http://pastebin.com/uCvns2fz
[17:47] <lauraa> have fun
[17:47] <lauraa> i dont get any of it
[17:48] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, no.  Your pass phrase is used to decrypt the key which is used to decrypt your disk.  If I remember correctly.
[17:48] <ctjctj> lauraa, that's ok.  I do "get it"
[17:49] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, Where would I find that key? I have no idea what you are talking about?
[17:51] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, pass phrases do not have enough cryptographic entropy so most cryptographic systems use a true random number generator (/dev/random is close) to extract a large number of bits and that gets stored in a file, somewhere.  ( I don't know exactly where).  That is the "key" for your disk/filesystem.  But if somebody can get that file they can decrypt your filesystem.  So that key is in turn encrypted with a low entropy key
[17:51] <ctjctj>  (your pass phrase).
[17:51] <ctjctj> Since the key is truely random it is very hard to crack as there is no way to automatically detect if the plain text is correct for any given input without testing it by attempting to decrypt a piece of your filesystem.
[17:52] <ctjctj> So normally there are two parts.  Your pass phrase and then the keys.
[17:52] <ctjctj> Keys are often stored in your "keyring" which is "seahorse" IIRC
[17:52] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, Ok, you confused the hell out of me. Are you saying that I shouldn't bother  trying to get that stuff back since I don't have that key?
[17:53] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, about this time I would have already been into my backup tapes.   I don't know what the state of your drives filesystems are nor how valuable that data is to you so I don't know if trying is worth it to you.
[17:54] <mike-zal> how to move windows to another monitor? was looking on google but all they write is to move windows across the screeen not between various screens
[17:54] <ctjctj> To put it differently, if it was the only copy of the birth of my kid I'd keep on trucking.  If it was just my p0rn stash I'd give up.
[17:55] <ctjctj> mike-zal, you can drag them over.  Just grab with "alt-click" and drag.  Don't let your pointer touch the side of the screen.
[17:55] <ctjctj> Once part of it is on the other screen, let go.  Move your pointer to the other screen, grab with alt-click and continue the drag into position.
[17:55] <mike-zal> ctjctj, so just push through the border of the main screen?
[17:55] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj, I'm relatively new to linux. Took me 2 weeks of intense tweaking and a bunch of other stuff, problems with drivers, installing a bunch of diff tools which started working exactly like i wanted ...
[17:56] <ctjctj> mike-zal, there is an interaction where it will want to maximize your window if you push into the boarder of the screen.
[17:56] <ctjctj> So you drag it till half of the window is on one screen and half on the other.
[17:56] <mike-zal> ok, get it will try it out
[17:56] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I'm sorry you are running into problems so early on.
[17:57] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; btw the system halts and boots into busybox, I have been able to use fsck it finds issues with inodes (whatever the f that is) and other things. it says it's fixed. but I dont know what to do.
[17:57] <ctjctj> My general rule of thumb on new stuff is "Don't tweek to begin with" try it like it is.
[17:57] <mike-zal> however didn't notice my mouse moving to another screen, but maybe I wasn't looking carefully
[17:58] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, there is a technical term for what has happened to you.  With your partner it is very pleasant.  But when your computer does it to you....
[17:58] <maletor> So I upgraded to 16.04.1 from 14.04 today and ext4 all the sudden showed corruption of inodes.
[17:58] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I suggest starting over in that case.  Keep it simple to begin with.
[17:59] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; simple? how?
[17:59] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, an "inode" is a deep dark secret of linux/unix file system which makes them so much better than other file systems.  If you are seeing anything about inodes and not looking for it you are in trouble.
[17:59] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, don't tweak for atleast a week.
[17:59] <maletor> ctjctj: are you trying to talk to me?
[17:59] <doomwhisp> Is there a clean way to change my desktop env on Ubuntu?
[17:59] <sanou> hello
[17:59] <uddane> lauraa: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:59] <sanou> help
[17:59] <ctjctj> maletor, that's not 16.04.  That is fsck running. You were likely broke before then.
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: yes, likely
[18:00] <ctjctj> lauraa, you have a good driver.  I don't know why it is not detecting your monitor.
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: it's pretty much out of my hands now. it's a co located so i gave it to support. can't ssh (not sure it can boot)
[18:00] <fml_ssd_broke>  ctjctj; the default installation isn't useful at all for me ...
[18:00] <maletor> ctjctj: fingers crossed fsck should be able to recover the data?
[18:01] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, it might be a definition of tweak.  Install what you want but don't change configuration settings if you don't need to.  And while starting out don't encrypt.
[18:01] <ctjctj> maletor, you are likely to get lucky.  But detached inodes will show up in /lost+found (one for each filesystem)
[18:02] <ctjctj> You'll need to go into the lost+found directory and put files back where they belong or reinstall.
[18:02] <fml_ssd_broke>  ctjctj; I'm not going to give up quite yet. Encryption is a must for me. I moved to linux for customizability & security...
[18:02] <ctjctj> (reinstall packages that were corrupted)
[18:02] <maletor> ctjctj: what happened?
[18:02] <maletor> ctjctj: i did smart checks on the drives before hand and it's all sane. this seems to fall squarely on ext4/kernel being poop.
[18:02] <ctjctj> maletor, cosmic ray?  Power cycled in bad way.
[18:03] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, I hear you.  So start with out the encryption then create a new user with encryption on their home directory when you are more comfortable.  Baby steps.
[18:03] <tgm4883> also, proper backups
[18:04] <ctjctj> maletor, to put it in perspective in 35 years of playing with unix I've had about a dozen filesystem failures.  In all cases it was tracked back to hardware failures or stupids by users (turning the power off instead of shutting down the system)
[18:04] <mike-zal> ctjctj, it worked however there was sometimes problem to move cursor between screens. it often was stoping on the edge
[18:05] <ctjctj> maletor, if you need to know that hardware failures are not going forward upgrade to btrfs.
[18:05] <maletor> i use btrfs @home
[18:05] <tgm4883> mike-zal: that's by design
[18:05] <maletor> this location seems to not support it
[18:05] <tgm4883> mike-zal: you need to accelerate past it
[18:05] <ctjctj> mike-zal, good for you! there is a "soft" limit on the edge of the screen by design.
[18:06] <mike-zal> really? so I must try to speed it to move it pass screens? that's stupid... that is why chaotic moving around was sometimes pushing it through but then I had hard times to find it
[18:06] <ctjctj> maletor, I don't use btrfs on my servers because they are virtualized colocs and the underlying hardware is mirrored SSD.
[18:06] <fml_ssd_broke> ctjctj; man I had everything set up running so nicely. conky, a bunch of other apps. FINALLY had my bluetooth speakers working. One of my printers wouldn't work but oh well.
[18:07] <ctjctj> mike-zal, you need that "soft limit" when position windows.  You don't want a window to be partially on another screen and not notice it.
[18:07] <tgm4883> mike-zal: you find it stupid, some fine it necessary
[18:07] <ctjctj> fml_ssd_broke, sorry dude.  Hardware failures create high pressure differentials.
[18:08] <lauraa> uddane: 16.04  // ctjctj: idk either xD
[18:09] <ctjctj> lauraa, I don't know how to help you with your resolution issue.  Your monitor is saying it only has 1152x864 and you are using a radion video card.
[18:09] <uddane> lauraa: I just upgraded to that one a few hours ago
[18:10] <ctjctj> laura, go to the pizza cutter and select "System Settings"
[18:10] <ctjctj> In there go to "Software & Updates", let me know when you are there.
[18:10] <lauraa> ctjctj: im there
[18:10] <lauraa> i think the resolutin issue may have something to do with nomodeset
[18:11] <ctjctj> go to additional drivers
[18:12] <ctjctj> Does it offer you any additional drivers for your hardware?
[18:12] <lauraa> it has unknown:unknown
[18:12] <lauraa> and a propetary something
[18:12] <uddane> lauraa: above that is there anything?
[18:12] <ctjctj> Proprietary is good for you
[18:13] <ctjctj> There should be one that has (proprietary, tested)?
[18:14] <dv__> hello people. Is there Multitouch support on unity 8 for touchscreen displays (2in1 Laptops)
[18:14] <dv__> I have one and Mutitouch works on Gnome.
[18:14] <lauraa> uddane: it says "processor microcode firmware for AMD CPU's from adm64-microcode (proprietary)\
[18:16] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Just joined, so do not know the background here .. What release are you running ? as AMD no longer supports a proprietary driver in 16.04 .
[18:16] <lauraa> i am running 16.04
[18:16] <bendr> Can anyone suggests any intermediate linux sysadmin tutorials?
[18:17] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, 16.04.1LTS.  She's having a resolution issue.  We got her GUI up by adding nosetmode.  But the GUI is 1152x864(from memory) but it is runnign with low resolution pixels.
[18:17] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Then AMD provides the graphics driver in the kernel . See the release notes for 16.04 .
[18:18] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, she's a noob and has been getting help from the blind trying to figure out what's happening.  Her Xorg.0.log looks good.
[18:19] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: lauraa // "nomodeset" disables Kernel Mode Setting, such that display resolution will not be detected . //
[18:19] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, wonderful.  Thanks, I did not know that.
[18:20] <dv__> is there a channel dedicated to unity8?
[18:21] <ioria> if she did a do-release-upgrade maybe there is still a xorg.conf somewhere .... just saying
[18:21] <uddane> ctjctj: so at this point that's what she needs to enable?
[18:21] <lauraa> ctjctj: but without nomodeset, i cannot boot
[18:21] <lauraa> looks like im stuck witht this xDD
[18:21] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, uddane so she was unable to get X to run without nomodeset.  We added that to the kernel command line and then we ended up here.
[18:21] <ctjctj> lauraa, this is Linux, we can fix anything.
[18:22] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: Yeah .. what happens with "nomodeset" is that the fall back driver is loaded . // So back to a normal boot attempt, what results ??  I can accept that what we may have here is an old FGLRX driver still on the system .
[18:22] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, here is a http://pastebin.com/uCvns2fz here Xorg.0.log
[18:23] <ctjctj> It says it is loadinthe the RADEON driver
[18:24] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, I thought she was loading the wrong driver.  So we can create an Xorg.conf for her but I hate doing that.
[18:24] <parashar> hello
[18:24] <lauraa> I will be grateful 4 any help
[18:24] <sslove> fml_ssd_broke, hmm, sorry i got caught up in another channel
[18:24] <ctjctj> lauraa, we are working it.
[18:24] <ioria> lauraa,  do you  already have a xorg.conf ?    ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:25] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: lauraa What we need to see for a log is from a normal boot ... as with "nomodeset" enabled the results are skewed . // We can boot to a terminal .. and from this terminal have a look at what is not taking place ???
[18:25] <eriswans> This is in the context of a third party flavor, but is a general apt-get question: How do I diagnose *why* 'apt-get upgrade' is not offering me a newer version of a package? I *can* install this newer version with 'upgrade package=version' or 'install upgrade=version', but 'apt-get upgrade' does not show this package, and even more confusingly shows '... and 0 not upgraded'
[18:25] <yorwos> im.playing.a.flash.mmo.on.firefox.and.only.when.playing.from.linux.i.have.problems.with.it.during.events.I.believe.im.being.attacked.somehow.ip.or.something.My.firewall.is.on.any.other.recomendations?(game.is.named.LegendOnline/wartune)
[18:25] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, I agree.  We can have her boot, disable nomodeset, save the log file and then get it to a pastebin.
[18:25] <ctjctj> Works for me.
[18:25] <lauraa> Bashing-om: ok i'll try that tommorrow
[18:26] <lauraa> unless u guys arent gonna be here
[18:26] <lauraa> cos i have to go now
[18:26] <ctjctj> lauraa, I understand, but tomorrow is Saturday and I'm not going to be here.
[18:26] <yorwos> i.have.the.same.problem.if.i.play.it.from.chrome.or.game.client.from.windows.virtual.machine.if.the.host.is.linux
[18:27]  * ctjctj hopes to be in his machine shop making a steam engine.
[18:27] <Bashing-om> lauraa: ctjctj We so this at your pace .. clean up the system from the upgrade's debris .. and we see what results .
[18:27] <yorwos> if.i.play.from.windows.i.have.no.provblems.so.thats.why.i.believe.some1.is.attacking.my.ip.when.host.is.ubuntu
[18:27] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, you don't need to include me.  I'm just a helper bot.
[18:28] <lauraa> Bashing-om: idk how to do that
[18:28] <ctjctj> yorwos, the key just below the period is a "spacebar" it works most of the time.  And it is unlikely that your machine is being "attacked" depending on your OS.
[18:28] <uddane> Bashing-om: I would love to know what happens with lauraa's video issue....
[18:28] <Bashing-om> ctjctj: At this point, I am just looking over your shoulder in this process of restoration ; giving my best thoughts .
[18:28] <varaindemian> how can I make a new pdf reader the default one?
[18:29] <ctjctj> Bashing-om, you've taken us a great step forward.
[18:29] <yorwos> ok,illcopy paste the space... what else can i be then? network settings?
[18:30] <ctjctj> lauraa, you need to boot to grub.  Edit and remove "nomodeset".  Continue the boot.  go to vt1 (ctrl-alt-F1).  log in , cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log to ~/.;  Then reboot and send that to pastebin.
[18:30] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Plenty here, when you have the Time // to guide you to restoration . Keep in mind .. 'buntu is always fixable .. given time effort and a liveDVD .
[18:30] <ctjctj> We'll (somebody will be here that might be able to help) read that log and find out why it is failing.
[18:31] <ctjctj> lauraa, it's linux, we can rewrite it from the ground up if need be (and a few million hours)
[18:31] <lauraa> graphics are just not as good as 15.10
[18:31] <ctjctj> Oh, that file you copied with "cp" will end up in your home directory.  "~" means "home"
[18:31] <lauraa> i thought upgrade means better
[18:32] <varaindemian> how can I make a new pdf reader the default one?
[18:32] <lauraa> but i guess it isnt that bad
[18:32] <ctjctj> lauraa, the upgrade is better, you just found a compatibility issue.
[18:32] <lauraa> resolution is just a bit tacky, like when i maximise a window i cant see the x
[18:32] <ctjctj> varaindemian, depends on if you mean default for ubuntu or your browser or your IDE or your favorite other program.
[18:32] <lauraa> or when i lock the panel, i cant see the date
[18:32] <FManTropyx> graphics are worse in 2016?
[18:33] <Bashing-om> lauraa: AMD has it's adjustment pains presently .. AMD is bending over backwards for us to give us what we asked for .. and fully functional opensource driver .
[18:33] <varaindemian> ctjctj: for the os
[18:34] <lauraa> but i just dont understand how 15.10 graphics were so good, and now 16.04 is worse graphics?? its not that big jump
[18:34] <lauraa> i think
[18:34] <lauraa> i dont really know though im just happy to have computer back XD
[18:34] <lauraa> and not a massive black screen
[18:34] <ctjctj> lauraa, we'll get you there.
[18:35] <lauraa> thank u for everybody that helped
[18:35] <lauraa> i probably would never fix this on my own
[18:35] <sslove> lauraa, proprietary graphics(amd i believe) support was dropped in 16.04
[18:36] <lauraa> why? D: is it something to do with cost
[18:36] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Yeah .. it is a big jump ! .. read the release notes why FGLRX is no longer : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes .
[18:36] <ctjctj> varaindemian, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29940/set-default-application-for-particular-file-types-in-nautilus last answer
[18:36] <lauraa> whats fglrx
[18:36] <lauraa> is it a driver
[18:37] <genii> fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary video drivers
[18:37] <FManTropyx> it probably affects video editing and playback
[18:37] <varaindemian> ctjctj: danke
[18:38] <ctjctj> lauraa, https://tjaalton.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/no-catalystfglrx-video-driver-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[18:38] <lauraa> oh ok
[18:38] <lauraa> so i basically have to patiently wait for propertiary driver?
[18:38] <lauraa> or i could fix it myself
[18:39] <lauraa> i hope im using these tecchie terms correctly lol
[18:39] <Rexodus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI91KyUaFnY&index=3&list=RDKfrj1z7q3YI
[18:39] <ctjctj> lauraa, no, you do not have to wait.  We can fix it but we need a view into your system that will require that reboot and pastebin.
[18:39] <Rexodus> omg. sry... blame putty
[18:40] <ctjctj> Rexodus, can I blame you using windows software?
[18:40] <Rexodus> Nope
[18:40] <yorwos> i just got notification to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, has any1 tried it,did something break?(ub.studio)
[18:40] <Rexodus> Every OS it ++ and --
[18:41] <lauraa> ctjctj: ok
[18:41] <lauraa> i seriously cant do it now though
[18:41] <lauraa> im so tired im scared ill break something
[18:41] <lauraa> by accident
[18:41] <ctjctj> yorwos, there is always a chance something will break.  With lauraa it was a video driver issue.
[18:41] <Bashing-om> yorwos: If your present install is fully updated .. Go for it .. the upgrade path is now enabled .
[18:42] <ctjctj> On the other hand I've updated 15 manchines to 16.04 with out a single hiccup.
[18:42] <yorwos> wishmeluck!
[18:42] <lauraa> i had linux for 5 years but all i did was point and click, im kinda like an average windows user  but for linux
[18:42] <lauraa> so its probably just me being a noob
[18:43] <Bashing-om> yorwos: K.. update 1st .. then .
[18:43] <\9> lauraa: it's fine. take a break and we can continue later
[18:43] <yorwos> cu.l8r.ihope
[18:43] <Bashing-om> lauraa: Nope .. nost likely crud from prior to the release upgrade .. we will see .
[18:43] <lauraa> yorwos:backup ur files!!! is my top tip
[18:43] <ctjctj> lauraa, have a great evening.
[18:44] <Rexodus> lauraa: make a backup, if U fuck up, try again :)
[18:44] <lauraa> it really was a relief to do all these things knowing that even if upgrade goes wrong i still got my documents
[18:44] <lauraa> thank u once again people
[18:44] <lauraa> have a good night
[18:44] <Rexodus> @u
[18:44] <Rexodus> u2
[18:44] <uddane> Bashing-om: I upgraded this morning and everything is working fine... did s complete data backup to my   other machine first though
[18:45] <skinux> I'm trying to install VLC by DEB, but it's saying it needs libvlc-core8, but that isn't listed on packages.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <Bashing-om> uddane: Good man !
[18:45] <Rexodus> Depository?
[18:45] <Bashing-om> lankanmon: Rest well .. and when in a comfortable frame of mind we continue this .
[18:45] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to install on has no intenret
[18:45] <Rexodus> VLC works fine from there
[18:45] <ikonia> skinux: where did you get the deb
[18:45] <ikonia> I asume not the ubuntu repos
[18:45] <skinux> packages.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <Kyoku> if i have full disk encryption and unmount the root partition then copy it with dd will i end up with an image that's encrypted or unencrypted?
[18:46] <ikonia> skinux: then the dependencies should also be in there
[18:46] <uddane> Bashing-om: been down that road a long time ago, but I was smart enough to keep some drivers rather than upgrade...nvidia here
[18:46] <ctjctj> uddane, I don't normally worry about data loss on a upgrade.  I can always get back to my drives.  Worse case was moving the drive to a recovery machine and reading it there.
[18:46] <skinux> Well, I searched and it only found four items, none of which were libvlc-core8
[18:46] <ctjctj> Kyoku, encrypted
[18:47] <varaindemian> can I sort the ppas based on the number of downloads or other criteria?
[18:47] <varaindemian> I mean here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=arc
[18:47] <ioria> !info libvlccore8
[18:47] <uddane> ctjctj: I always worry. it's in my nature. I wish that the FreeBSD guys were as helpful as people are here... I'd have my server running
[18:47] <Bashing-om> uddane: Yeah, learned my lessons the hard way .. I do not like loosing my data ! I have learned enough by now not to break my system .
[18:49] <Kyoku> ctjctj so if my pc blow up and i restore that encrypted image to a new drive will i still be able to decrypt it or are the keys stored somewhere else?
[18:50] <ctjctj> uddane, I deal with data lose in multiple ways.  critical data is on OwnCloud with Amanda backups to S3.  Important data is on BTRFS raid1.  Less important data is on BTRFS raid1.  Large data is in ZFS from freeNAS box.
[18:51] <ctjctj> Kyoku, consider the reasons for encrypted filesystems/drives.  If black hat sneaks into your bedroom, borrows your hard drive, copies it, returns the drive before you noticed, do you want them to be able to read it?
[18:51] <uddane> ctjctj: wow! I'm still learning, and some ting just have to be done to figure it out
[18:51] <ikonia> consider living in the real world
[18:52] <ctjctj> ikonia, was that directed at me?
[18:52] <ikonia> more your situation
[18:52] <ikonia> where black hat hackers are sneaking into peoples bedrooms
[18:52] <Kyoku> ctjctj no, i want them to have to beat me half to death before i give up they passphrase
[18:52] <ctjctj> ikonia, *laughs* That's the reasons for encrypted filesystems.
[18:52] <ikonia> no it's not
[18:53] <ikonia> encyption needs to be down to the individual users situations and needs
[18:53] <ctjctj> To keep your data safe even if you lose control of it.
[18:53] <Bashing-om> uddane: Consider, computers are all prone to failure . If you value your data, protect it to the limit of importance .. ( I have 3 levels of backups now ).
[18:53] <Kyoku> i suppose a better question would be - how do i backup a fully encrypted system?
[18:53] <razor1101> Personally, i just use the encryption for my porn stash
[18:53] <ikonia> Kyoku: you have to do it while unencrypted
[18:53] <ikonia> or the file system will not be accessable
[18:53] <Kyoku> well that's dumb
[18:54] <ctjctj> Kyoku, that's a good question.  You have two choices: Back up your key somewhere else and then do a block copy of your encrypted data.
[18:54] <ctjctj> Then you'll have the key to handle the encrypted part.
[18:54] <uddane> Bashing-om: yes, I have the backup on a Mac and do discs every other month, but I really want to get the freebsd server up
[18:54] <ctjctj> OR you use a backup system that stores your backups in an encrypted mode.
[18:54] <Kyoku> ctjctj where is the key stored?
[18:55] <berz3rk123123> can you give me your feedback regarding unity 8? what are your biggest issues?
[18:55] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: just try it yourself
[18:55] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: no-ones opinion matters other than your own
[18:55] <ctjctj> Kyoku, for example I use Amanda.  I can have the backups encrypted on the client and then transmitted to the "taper" so it never leaves the client in plain text.
[18:55] <Bashing-om> uddane: freebsd server, sorry can not help ya there .
[18:55] <berz3rk123123> ikonia: can I use it with proprietary nvidia drivers
[18:55] <ctjctj> Kyoku, I do not know.  I'm guessing in the gnome keyring but I don't know.
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: depends on your card ad support of the card
[18:56] <uddane> Bashing-om: not the right channel, but I'm getting hella good at the initial installation
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> I can run the latest nvidia drivers
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: but thats nothing to do with the desktop, thats just the X server in general
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> i mean the proprietary ones, not nivou
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: ubuntu doesn't package the bleeding edge nvidia modules
[18:56] <Kyoku> hmm, maybe i can use FreeNAS encryption instead and have a diskless pc
[18:56] <varaindemian> anybody? ^
[18:56] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: it's normally n-1 or n-2
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> what
[18:56] <ikonia> but most cards that are current are supported
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> i mean
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> can i run mir
[18:56] <berz3rk123123> with it
[18:57] <berz3rk123123> unity next?
[18:57] <ikonia> what ?
[18:57] <ctjctj> Kyoku, what is your use case for wanting "encrypted" data?
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> ikonia: I want to try unity next (unity 8) which uses MIR
[18:58] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: what ubuntu release is that included in
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> http://askubuntu.com/questions/770014/unity-8-not-working-with-nvidia-graphics-card ah ok
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> 16.10
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> 16.04 has it too but its old
[18:58] <ikonia> berz3rk123123: so thats not released and in a pre-alpha state
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> i know that chanel is 16.04 only
[18:58] <ikonia> so it's not really worth reading bugs on it yet
[18:58] <berz3rk123123> yeah i know
[18:59] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1 is for 16.10
[18:59] <berz3rk123123> ok
[18:59] <Kyoku> ctjctj i need to secure a highly proprietary software development environment that people want to steal
[19:01] <ctjctj> Kyoku, ok.  So the deal is that you have to secure it in to modes: At rest and active.  At rest says you want an encrypted file system.  Power off the machine and without the pass phrase the data is as good as random data.  If you are concerned about "instant destruction" look into some of the new secure drives.  They have an onboard key and encrypt everything to the platter.  Send a code and the key is replaced and all data on that
[19:01] <ctjctj> media is lost.
[19:02] <Etem> ctjctj: this sounds nice :D
[19:02] <ctjctj> Kyoku, your next issue is system security.  I'd rule out NAS because now you have to have data flow in the clear on your net.  Not always a good choice.  Power the NAS down and you get to stage one but your live security is weak.
[19:03] <ctjctj> So we are back to encrypted file systems.  Regardless if the data is stored in a NAS or on local.
[19:03] <TheMarius> what wifi chipset should i go for regarding linux support? broadcom? ralink?
[19:03] <yorwos> i failed to upgrade due to low space at /var partition. would u say /var/tmp is safe to delete all inside?
[19:03] <ctjctj> I happen to like FreeNAS.  Set it up with a few large spinning disks with zfs raid6 with an SSD fronting cache.
[19:04] <dax> yorwos: do apt-get clean first and see if it helps
[19:04] <ctjctj> Kyoku, so now you have the issue of backups.  Look into setting up amanda with encryption happening on your clients.
[19:04] <yorwos> i did,still need ~900mb
[19:04] <ctjctj> Now you should have end to end encryption for everything.
[19:04] <dax> oh
[19:04] <ctjctj> yorwos, historically you can remove anything in /var/tmp.
[19:05] <skinux> WEll, I installed libvlc5 and it's dependencies, yet Ubuntu doesn't have an executable for VLC
[19:05] <ctjctj> try: du /var >/tmp/du.out; sort -n /tmp/du.out | tail -50
[19:05] <Kyoku> ctjctj i'll look into that, i was hoping to use FreeNAS but it doesn't handle usb key / mfa for decryption, it's password only
[19:05] <Kyoku> and password only is dumb
[19:06] <Kyoku> i guess ubuntu has same issue though, but bitlocker doesn't
[19:06] <ctjctj> Kyoku remember that the pass phrase only unlocks the actual key.
[19:06] <uddane> skinux: I pulled VLC from the software thing on ubuntu, only took a tweek or 2 to get it to play blu-rays
[19:07] <Kyoku> maybe i can get someone to develop an mfa plugin for FreeNAS
[19:07] <skinux> Hmm. is the source package link on packages.ubuntu.com the entire source or just part of it?
[19:08] <tgm4883> skinux: should be 3 links, not 1
[19:08] <skinux> Okay
[19:10] <Powerless> how do i know which theme is for ubuntu/fedora on gnome-look site?
[19:11] <tgm4883> Powerless: I would have thought they were for Gnome, and not distribution specific
[19:11] <Powerless> tgm4883, me too but when i tried to install it was apt-get
[19:11] <Powerless> tgm4883, and some not
[19:11] <tgm4883> Powerless: link?
[19:12] <COCONUTSS> jgklh
[19:12] <Powerless> tgm4883, https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1012545/
[19:14] <tgm4883> Powerless: ah, so it looks like that guy made it available via a PPA. But any of them should be able to be used by downloading and installing it manually (provided they are for the right version of gnome)
[19:14] <Powerless> tgm4883, how do i know which version is mine?
[19:15] <yorwos> i still need 544MB on /var partition .... should i consider freeing up space or resizing it?
[19:17] <tgm4883> Powerless: not sure. "gnome-session --version" should work, but it's not working for me currently
[19:19] <varaindemian> Can
[19:19] <deewreckd> that time you secretly jump on irc from work and no body knows why
[19:19] <varaindemian> Can I search the results in the ppa search based on the number of installs of something like this?
[19:19] <varaindemian> sort**
[19:21] <genii> varaindemian: No, but perhaps check out https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[19:24] <genii> varaindemian: An example of how to use it to check the number of downloads from a PPA is given here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/296197/how-to-find-out-the-package-download-count-from-a-ppa
[19:24] <borei> hi all
[19:25] <borei> im on ubuntu 12, and can't find acpid package
[19:25] <ioria> !info acpid precise
[19:26] <borei> yeah, i know about it
[19:26] <genii> borei: Did you update the package lists before searching for it?
[19:27] <borei> alrady twice
[19:27] <ioria> borei, apt-cache policy acpid
[19:27] <borei> Installed: (none)
[19:27] <borei>  Candidate: (none)
[19:27] <genii> borei: When you installed, if th machine was not connected to the internet your sources.list entries except for cdrom may be commented out
[19:28] <borei> it was connected, and it downloaded some language packs
[19:28] <ioria> borei,  can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:29] <nvidia-stuff> Hi people, I just installed Ubuntu 16.04.1 and am using the GPU "GeForce GTX 750 Ti". In the "Additional Drivers" window I selected the proprietary NVIDIA binary driver version 361.42. Whenevery I boot up I get a screen full of warnings and errors, also the edges of icons seem a bit glitched.  The errors on boot: http://i.imgur.com/8sRSdz5.jpg  Anybody an idea what's going wrong? Also in the drivers window it lists an unkown de
[19:29] <borei> http://pastebin.com/hJLHTSdh
[19:29] <borei> ioria: ^^^
[19:31] <yorwos> my /var partition was made at 5.3GB i never thought i would need more .... any clean ideas for upgrading to 16.04.1 ? it got 2gb free and needs 544mb more
[19:32] <genii> That sources.list looks fine. And us.archive.ubuntu.com is up and working.
[19:32] <borei> genii: nope, doesn't work on my side
[19:32] <genii> borei: When you do: sudo apt-get update  ... does it get any output on the screen?
[19:32] <borei> one of the warnings:
[19:32] <borei> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_restricted_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[19:33] <borei> and dozen FAILED files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[19:33] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: did you have other options for drivers on the additional drivers tab?
[19:34] <borei> and everything is coming from that archive
[19:34] <borei> brb
[19:35] <rhagu> Hi I updated from 14.04 to 16.04 and would like to search all installed packages who were built for trusty, how can I do that?
[19:35] <ioria> borei,  can you temporary backup sources.list and try with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/21434145/  ?
[19:35] <genii> borei: Clean out all the files in both those directories, then do the update again
[19:35] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: yes two more: an older version of the NVIDIA binary driver and the Nouveau display driver. I chose the latest NVIDIA binary driver because somebody told me that would help with performance especially when gaming. Should I try a different option?
[19:38] <Kouki> hello
[19:38] <gtl> Hi there, i have two domains in same droplet in digital ocean serving wordpress and django site. Why www.abc.com is working, but abc.com redirects to another domain?
[19:38] <gtl> hello
[19:38] <Kouki> i don't used ubuntu two, three months, there was an boost in amd performance?
[19:38] <Kouki> gpu of course
[19:38] <ikonia> gtl: how does this tie into ubuntu ?
[19:38] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: yes, I would, do you have a revert button on the window?
[19:39] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: no probably because I closed it in the meantime...
[19:39] <gtl> because I am hosting in ubuntu site ;) and I think this is where I find expert :)
[19:39] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: would you choose the older NVIDIA binary or the other one?
[19:40] <gtl> ikonia, let me go to apache group then :D
[19:40] <borei> back
[19:40] <ikonia> gtl: look at your ServerAlias settings in the vhost config
[19:40] <ikonia> gtl: if it doesn't match what you type into the URL bar it will go to the default apache site
[19:40] <ikonia> (a different site)
[19:40] <borei> cleaned up like apt-get clean all and removed oll files, did apt-get update, again FAILED files
[19:41] <borei> trying pastebin from above
[19:41] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: if it was me and it was my only computer, i would stay with something proven (older one)... but who knows the other one may be totally awesome...
[19:42] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: at this point, you can always go back if going forward didn't work
[19:42] <genii> borei: Are you using some kind of squid or other proxy?
[19:42] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: well I also clicked on the newer one because it has a 'tested' tag behind it.
[19:42] <gtl> ikonia, in my vhost settings, server is: abc.com and serveralias is www.abc.com!
[19:42] <ikonia> gtl: what does the access and error logs show for the domain
[19:43] <ikonia> gtl: have you restarted apache since you set that vhost config up
[19:43] <borei> genii: nope nothing in front
[19:44] <borei> ioria:  using your source.lists didn't produce any warnings
[19:44] <borei> acpid installed
[19:44] <uddane> nvidia-stuff: ... and?
[19:44] <ioria> borei,  try to install something  (small)
[19:44] <borei> something wrong with some mirrors
[19:44] <borei> just installed acpid
[19:44] <borei> are they folding 12 ?
[19:44] <ioria> borei, apt-cache policy acpid
[19:45] <borei> Installed: 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu3
[19:45] <borei>   Candidate: 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu3
[19:45] <borei> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[19:45] <zoski> Hi, I'm under a fresh install of 16.04 and once every 2 reboot (really) ubuntu failed to find my network interface, so it can't bring it up. ifconfig -a don't shows it but after a rebooting the interface is up and running. I'don't know where to look :-(
[19:45] <ioria> borei, seems ok
[19:45] <nvidia-stuff> uddane: well it seems to work, I will need to restart my pc to test it because those errors only showed up at boot. Be right back... :)
[19:45] <borei> yep, but why it didn't wor after fresh install ???
[19:46] <ioria> borei, sorry ?
[19:46] <Bashing-om> borei: A reboot for the graphic's change to take effect ?
[19:47] <borei> what is the support period for ubuntu 12 ?
[19:47] <borei> till 2017
[19:47] <borei> ok
[19:48] <Bashing-om> borei: Ends April 2017 .
[19:48] <gtl> ikonia, I don't see any such specific info in access log
[19:48] <ikonia> what about the error log
[19:48] <borei> Bashing-om: is it bot ?
[19:48] <ikonia> and the access log should show what is hitting that vhost
[19:48] <gtl> there is from yesterday only.
[19:49] <tgm4883> ls
[19:49] <quantibiliy> ugh newest installment of linux on xubuntu is a nightmare
[19:49] <skinux> Well, this other machine is useless to me. Can't get a usable VLC and can't get it to connect ot internet at all.
[19:49] <ikonia> gtl: in the access or error log
[19:49] <skinux> I think it's trying to get DHCP from the wrong IP.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> !12.04 | borei
[19:52] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. I've migrated from debian jessie. Can anyone tell my why ascii version of adom is using 50 percent of my CPU by constantly refreshing the terminal window? on debian 8 it was stable (pun not intended)
[19:55] <gtl> ikonia, there is no error log yet!
[19:56] <gtl> access log also doesnot say anything about redirection!
[19:56] <gtl> i post it in pastebin
[19:57] <gtl> http://pastebin.com/5QKKL0gc ikonia
[19:57] <mike-zal> I need help with nvidia hybrid gpu, serious help :(. my ubuntu became unbootable again. bumblebee doesn't work, nvidia-prime doesn't work and any attempt to use newer nvidia driver stops system from booting. I can't even use tty because all I see there is some error message in infinite loop (something about elbridge drivers already registered or similar)
[19:57] <nvidia-things> ubottu: I switched to the older NVIDIA driver but it still gave me the errors, so I switched to the X.org driver and now it works... Not sure how th performance is going to be
[19:58] <ikonia> gtl: no - but if you tail it and hit it, and you don't see the access log move - you know it's not using that vhost
[19:58] <nvidia-things> ^ uddane
[19:58] <mike-zal> is there any way to stop this loop to use tty or is my ubuntu installation destroyed again?
[19:59] <gtl> but how adding www serves it ikonia? it feels like the browser redirects when there is no www in front
[20:00] <ikonia> listen to what I just said
[20:00] <ikonia> hit the Url -if the access log doesn't move, it's not using that vhost
[20:00] <ikonia> it's most likley not a redirect
[20:00] <Wamphyri> i have a server running ubuntu 15.04, one of the php scripts i'm running, the support says curl is being blocked from internally accessing files internally on the same domain
[20:01] <ikonia> wolfmitchell: we don't support 15.04
[20:01] <daved1058> hello
[20:01] <ikonia> it's EOL
[20:01] <wolfmitchell> ikonia, mistabbed? :P
[20:01] <SAValkyrie> Hey guys, can all laptops run ubtuntu?
[20:02] <ikonia> wolfmitchell: totally :)
[20:02] <wolfmitchell> ikonia, w/e, no prob :P
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> Or are there specific requirements?
[20:02] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: no
[20:02] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: linux compatible hardware
[20:02] <ikonia> and the minim resource spec
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> So the ones that are listed on the ubuntu website are the ones
[20:02] <ikonia> they are good examples
[20:02] <ikonia> there are LOTS more
[20:02] <SAValkyrie> What's a good rule of thumb on differentiating those?
[20:03] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[20:03] <uddane> nvidia-things: well how did the reboot go?
[20:03] <gtl> ikonia, now I tasted that configuration with another domain - and it works with that domain! probably something to do with domain setting in digital ocean!
[20:03] <SAValkyrie> I don't know anything about ubuntu/linux so im asking pretty stupid questions... does the ability to run ubuntu depend on the processor or something?
[20:04] <ikonia> gtl: again....if you do the test I gave you, you can confirm if it's using that vhost
[20:04] <ikonia> if it is / is not will depend how you debug it
[20:04] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:04] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: I think these are a bit dated now, a little more is needed
[20:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> SAValkyrie, no, not just the processor. You need the devices to be compatible to be usable.
[20:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> SAValkyrie, that includes graphics, sound and other stuff
[20:05] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: basically the more "intel" chip based devices you get, the safer you'll be in terms of hardware compatability, but....others will work too
[20:05] <SAValkyrie> Ah that makes sense... Thanks a ton guys!
[20:06] <Ideapad> Hello again
[20:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally recommend that you should bug your vendor about this as well.
[20:06] <gtl> thanks a lot ikonia :)
[20:06] <tgm4883> Eduard_Munteanu: or research hardware before purchase
[20:06] <SAValkyrie> Lol I wonder if people at bestbuy knows if these laptops can run ubuntu or not
[20:06] <tgm4883> SAValkyrie: doubtful
[20:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> I would prefer having hardware advertised as Linux-compatible, where suitable.
[20:06] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: your own research will be the most valuable thing you can do
[20:07] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: I wouldn't it missleads people
[20:07] <ikonia> linux compatible can me 2.6 kernel
[20:07] <ikonia> which will fail hard on an ubuntu 16.04 install
[20:07] <Ideapad> I still have problems with Youtube... 720p YT -> 90% CPU load ... 720p in Kodi 15%
[20:07] <tgm4883> ikonia: *may fail
[20:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> BTW, by vendor I mean whoever makes the laptops, not the seller.
[20:08] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: laptop vendors cannot verify all distros
[20:08] <reisio> SAValkyrie: they won't know
[20:08] <ikonia> and all configuratoins
[20:08] <uddane> nvidia-things: just scrolled up and read your response.... it's working, so thats a good thing, I'm using the preselected driver too
[20:08] <reisio> SAValkyrie: but they'll all run ubuntu, if you can change the OS at all
[20:08] <Ideapad> Why is YT on Linux still such a problem, how hard can it be?
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: youtube?
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: it isn't, and never has been
[20:08] <skinux> Looks like I managed to download all the packages required to just install the wireless driver I needed.
[20:08] <mike-zal> how to stop error loop in tty so I could enter some commands?
[20:08] <ikonia> mike-zal: depends on the error
[20:08] <reisio> Ideapad: kodi doesn't use youtube, it just grabs the streams; you can do the same with youtube-viewer or a number of other things if you want
[20:09] <reisio> s/streams/media URIs/
[20:09] <mike-zal> ikonia: that is driver error during boot
[20:09] <gbaker> Only hhing I hope for eventually is that Nvidia will support SLI on mobile chips.
[20:09] <gbaker> *thing
[20:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia, that shouldn't stop them from advertising Linux support where possible. Some do, so it is possible without verifying Linux distros.
[20:09] <ikonia> mike-zal: get the exact error please
[20:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> e.g. server hardware
[20:09] <reisio> advertizing costs money
[20:09] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: worthless
[20:09] <tgm4883> This all seems off topic
[20:09] <ikonia> it does indeed
[20:09] <reisio> the percentage of people looking for "Linux" at Best Buy is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
[20:09] <reisio> the ones who are actually looking know it's irrelevant, too
[20:10] <mike-zal> ikonia: some driver being already registered and something about elbrige or something like that
[20:10] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Boot a recovery kernel from grub .. and verify who owns ' ls -al .Xauthority ; ls -al .ICEauthority '. See if "you" have authority to access your desktop ?
[20:10] <SAValkyrie> FeelsBadMan
[20:10] <reisio> because hardware isn't software
[20:10] <ikonia> mike-zal: get the exact error
[20:10] <tgm4883> reisio: I beg to differ, I just downloaded some more RAM
[20:10] <SAValkyrie> Not sure where to even buy a laptop at this point zz
[20:10] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: do you want a solid linux laptop ?
[20:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm just saying, you can't hope for a lot of support if you buy stuff that (1) is random or (2) known not to be supported under Linux or (3) the hw vendor doesn't care about Linux.
[20:10] <mike-zal> ikonia: I can't. I'm on the same computer now but on another distro/parition
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: look up system67 laptops
[20:11] <SAValkyrie> I noticed those, how are they?
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: they put a lot of effort in to make sure things are linux compatible in general
[20:11] <uddane> ikonia: I have one of their laptops, love it
[20:11] <ikonia> mike-zal: can't help you then
[20:11] <reisio> tgm4883: heh
[20:11] <mike-zal> SAValkyrie: lenovo and dell laptops works with linux well usually
[20:11] <tgm4883> ikonia: system76 laptops are 9 better
[20:11] <ikonia> tgm4883: ha, thank you
[20:11] <ikonia> SAValkyrie: system76 - not 67
[20:11] <ikonia> thank you tgm4883
[20:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> OTOH, the gimmick nowadays is to sell hardware branded as Linux-compatible, but it actually comes with a modified OEM distro.
[20:12] <SAValkyrie> jeez usd - cdn conversion makes me cry
[20:12] <gbaker> Everything works great on my MSI laptop other than the touchpad is also the num pad but I really need the numb pad so no issue.
[20:12]  * Eduard_Munteanu is looking at you, Intel
[20:12] <mike-zal> ikonia: I don't care about error. I just want to stop the loop so I could purge the newest nvidia driver that caused that issue and go back to nvidia-304 which didn't cause problems other then.. not working on bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[20:13] <ikonia> mike-zal: the error will determain how you stop it
[20:13] <skinux> Okay, wireless driver installed...do I need to reboot now?
[20:13] <tgm4883> Eduard_Munteanu: I think the dell stuff is all built in now
[20:13] <Ideapad> reisio: on Windows 10 (the same notepad, same brower) the same video  YT 720p is 10% CPU load... that is not good for Linux.
[20:13] <mike-zal> ikonia: can I enter the boot log from another distro?
[20:13] <tgm4883> Ideapad: flash?
[20:13] <reisio> Ideapad: you're probably comparing different browsers, different implementations
[20:13] <ikonia> depends if it's logging it
[20:13] <SAValkyrie> Lul $100 shipping to canada r i p
[20:13] <YankDownUnder> Ideapad: So maybe linux should be totally scrapped because it cannot process YouTube?
[20:13] <Ideapad> resio: I'm not
[20:14] <reisio> YankDownUnder: maybe, if that were a reality, which it isn't
[20:14] <tgm4883> Ideapad: what video?
[20:14] <Ideapad> tgm: html5
[20:14] <reisio> Ideapad: sure you are
[20:14] <Ideapad> resio: if you say so
[20:14] <reisio> I do :p
[20:14] <reisio> r-e-i-TABkey
[20:14] <YankDownUnder> reisio: "Sarcasm"...hmm...
[20:14] <mike-zal> Ideapad: you may try different distro or DE, they work differently. one may not work, other just partially and other will work fully.
[20:14] <FManTropyx> how bad is Ubuntu playing video?
[20:14] <reisio> YankDownUnder: no, that isn't what sarcasm is
[20:14] <reisio> FManTropyx: not?
[20:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> tgm4883, interesting, I'm contemplating getting something really well built for my next computer/lappy. That means every bit is well-supported under Linux, including proper ACPI tables, ASPM and all that.
[20:14] <ikonia> FManTropyx: depends on your resources and the codec used, but it works very well as a general rule of thumb
[20:15] <tgm4883> Ideapad: what video?
[20:15] <Ideapad> tgm: i'm trying to get Firefox to play Youtube 720p videos on a intel notepad (Ubuntu 16.04)... without 90% CPU load.
[20:16] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: will try your tip but the issue is with nvidia driver that created error loop because of some incorrect setting.
[20:16] <mike-zal> so the boot cannot proceed
[20:16] <tgm4883> Ideapad: link?
[20:16] <tgm4883> !tab | Ideapad
[20:17] <reisio> Ideapad: there's a browser plugin from VLC that will make you happy, probs
[20:17] <FManTropyx> bash has tab completion??
[20:17] <tgm4883> FManTropyx: yes
[20:17] <modou> bonjour
[20:17] <FManTropyx> cool
[20:17] <torpet_> my father has just installed gnome3 staging ppa on ubuntu (non-gnome)... this upgraded > 100 packages (Gtk 3.18 to Gtk 3.20 and so forth)
[20:17] <torpet_> how high are the chances that after ppa purging this repository the system will function?
[20:18] <ikonia> torpet_: no way to tell
[20:18] <tgm4883> torpet_: function, great chances. Have a GUI, unknown
[20:18] <ikonia> we no nothing about your fathers setup or the state of that PPA at this time
[20:19] <torpet_> well icons are too big after purging now
[20:19] <modou> hello
[20:22] <skinux> WTF! I installed the driver and it still isn't working
[20:22] <quantibiliy> UUUUGH
[20:23] <cesdo> hey guys, how to upgrade to 14.04 from 13.04?
[20:23] <skinux> What the hell is a BSSID?
[20:23] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: OR .. you sudo'd where you should not have ,, and now "root" owns your /home ? .. From the recovery console .. one can at least look and see what might be done .
[20:23] <quantibiliy> Ubuntu 16.0,4 sucks
[20:23] <quantibiliy> like royal
[20:24] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: doesn't seem like a support question...
[20:24] <Bashing-om> !eol | cesdo
[20:25] <genii> cesdo: In your case, go to the bot's second link there about EOL upgrades
[20:25] <skinux> This is ridiculous. I installed the driver, rebooted, and the wireless still isn't recognized.
[20:25] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, i don't care.. if you can fix my problems like AMD graphics dirvers and all the bugs that this wretched thing has then ill change my tune.
[20:26] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: well this is the support channel, so you should ask a support question. If you want to complain about ubuntu, that would be over in #ubuntu-discuss
[20:26] <quantibiliy> yeah yeah irc politics
[20:26] <k1l_> quantibiliy: for amd issue tell amd. they dont build the fglrx anymore. there is nothing ubuntu can do about that. ubuntu ships the radeon and the new alternative amd_gpu
[20:27] <Era> Uh I was trying to play Civ 5 but I get no Audio, running through terminal gave the following error "AL lib: oss.c:169: Could not open /dev/dsp: No such file or directory"
[20:27] <skinux> Okay..I see. The only problem is the connection settings doesn't have the device name or id
[20:27] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: it's more to do with if 1900 people were all just chatting in this channel, nobody would see support questions
[20:28] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, yes i get it.. relax your horses im not a noob to irc
[20:28] <skinux> How do I find out the device to give wireless settings?
[20:28] <MuffinMedic> Can I set sendmail to use a specific MX record / SMTP server only when sending to a particular domain?
[20:29] <tgm4883> quantibiliy: yet you still haven't actually asked a question. What video card do you have?
[20:29] <Era> Uhm
[20:29] <Era> Anyone?
[20:29] <quantibiliy> tgm4883, Can't remember at the moment too angry hold on
[20:31] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I just signed on. Can I help you with something?
[20:31] <Bashing-om> !ask | NewGnuGuy
[20:31] <Era> Yea
[20:31] <tgm4883> lol
[20:31] <Era> I was trying to play Civ 5, I got no sound, running from terminal gave this error
[20:31] <Era> `AL lib: oss.c:169: Could not open /dev/dsp: No such file or directory`
[20:31] <NewGnuGuy> silly bot
[20:32] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: I just used ubuntu's gui to change drivers because I assumed that's the safest way. I merely switched from to  364 or similar (don't remeber teh exact number)
[20:33] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Have you checked the Civ 5 support forums on Steam? I would start there.
[20:33] <mike-zal> I checked folders afterwards and this new nvidia was installed and nvidia-304 folders were gone
[20:34] <mike-zal> all seemed fine so I rebooted and... saw just black screen. was able to switch to tty and then I saw this error loop
[20:34] <Era> NewGnuGuy, I did try it, I found one thing, one guy who had the same problem, turns out he remove Pulse and was using Alsa only, but since I never did that, idk. I only checked GOG support and not steam tho
[20:35] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: From the recovery console .. enable networking .. and revert the driver back to open source , see then what results ? If it boots we have a foundation to work upward from .
[20:35] <Ideapad> reisio: I have bad experience with diferent plugins of that sort, but I will give it a try
[20:36] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: ok, will look into commands that will do that
[20:38] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: No commands needed .. from recovery mode -> enable networking .. resume normal boot -> additional drivers . reboot when the driver is changed .
[20:38] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: recovery mode will output those options?
[20:39] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Yeah ,, it is a "recovery console " .
[20:39] <reisio> Ideapad: might try freshplayerplugin
[20:39] <Era> NewGnuGuy: Ok I looked, It only seems to be about crappy sound, nothing about no sound at all, on which note I found this as well https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2e6fz0/civilization_5_no_audio_with_pulseaudio/ but the user is running manjaro not ubuntu so I assume the problems will be different?
[20:40] <mike-zal> Bashing-om: I never need to use it so I have no idea how recovery console works. first time for everything ;)
[20:40] <Apachez> during installation you can autodetect which keyboard you got (to apply keyboard layout for) - how do you run this manually after the installation finished?
[20:40] <Apachez> the thing is that this is a mediakeyboard and using "intl pc105" im not sure all keys gets placed where they should
[20:41] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Yeah .. that is why we are here .. shared experience . Boot to the grub boot menu -> advanmced options -> boot any "recovery" kernel from there .
[20:43] <balli> How to remove the scopes and apps from the Ubuntu Touch device which are not installed on the device but are shown in the storage page? Thanks
[20:43] <Ideapad> reisio: I think H.264 would give me the best result on this intel celeron CPU/GPU
[20:43] <skinux> I've installed every package for Broadcom wireless and still I can't connect to my wireless.
[20:43] <punit_arya> skinux... what's your laptop model ?
[20:44] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to fix isn't a laptop.
[20:44] <skinux> It's a Compaq tower
[20:44] <skinux> Presario
[20:44] <punit_arya> ok & whats the model of the card ?
[20:44] <NewGnuGuy> Era: While the distros may be different, it sounds like the sound libraries being used are the same.
[20:45] <skinux> The Wireless Adapter is a NetGear Wireless-N 300 WNA3160
[20:45] <Era> NewGnuGuy: So I should be trying the last comment in the thread?
[20:46] <Era> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2e6fz0/civilization_5_no_audio_with_pulseaudio/cjwis4o this one?
[20:47] <reisio> Ideapad: that's probably so
[20:50] <yorwos> in order to update i decided to make a symbolic link and move my /var/lib to home/user/var2/lib , do u think this practise gonna be ok ?
[20:50] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I don't think so. It looks to me like that solution affects sound quality and not necessarily fixes a lack of sound. But feel free to try it and if it doesn't work, it looks trivial to switch back.
[20:50] <yorwos> upgrade*
[20:53] <Era> NewGnuGuy: Is `;` the commenter in this? If so, there are already the lines there, should I just remove the `;` from them?
[20:55] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Are the semicolons at the beginning of the lines? If yes, then yes.
[20:56] <Era> Do I need to restart my PC
[20:57] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I'd try it without a reboot first.
[20:57] <Era> Alright
[20:57] <balli> ??
[20:58] <rick6860> how can I uninstall a print driver and start over?
[21:00] <Era> not working
[21:00] <Era> Should I restart and try again?
[21:01] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Worth a shot.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello I have 2 matching SSD drives. I already have one installed and is running linux. I was wondering if its possible to install the second drive and install any other OS that I might want to use, like Windows for gaming or a different distro, but have the different operating systems not see each others drives. Is that possible? I have a 5-1/4" hot swap bay but I cant use it with my Dell Inspiron desktop that I want to do this on.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2020> I would imaging it would be a software or BIOS thing Im guessing.
[21:02] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: how much of "do not see each others drives" do you mean?
[21:02] <OerHeks> LinuxGuy2020, one answer is to encrypt both linux versions. full disk .
[21:03] <LinuxGuy2020> tgm4883:  Like.....that other drive doesnt exist on the machine. Cant browse the other drives file system at all.
[21:03] <tgm4883> Hmm
[21:03] <yorwos> actually,through thunar i can only find where 1.3gb of 2.1gb are allocated in /var
[21:03] <reisio> LinuxGuy2020: for what purpose, exactly?
[21:03] <tgm4883> Well encrypting the drive would prevent people from being able to browse it, but they would still see that the drive exists
[21:03] <NewGnuGuy> LinuxGuy2020: Easiest way would be to move the SATA cable between the drives as needed.
[21:04] <LinuxGuy2020> reisio: Keep my linux drive seperate from windows and vise versa. I might be a bit OCD or paranoid but if its an option it would be nice.
[21:04] <reisio> LinuxGuy2020: having them on separate devices will suffice
[21:04] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: well they aren't going to mess with each other unless you make them...
[21:04] <LinuxGuy2020> Can UEFI bios settings do this at all?
[21:04] <reisio> it's much more problematic dual booting with a single storage device
[21:05] <reisio> there are basically no problems when using separate devices, unless you ask for them
[21:05] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: to my knowledge, no. UEFI/BIOS is going to present both drives to the kernel
[21:05] <LinuxGuy2020> reisio: Hmm ok
[21:05] <reisio> it's not that you can't theoretically do what you originally asked for, it's just that you don't need to for your stated reasons, at all :D
[21:05] <tgm4883> LinuxGuy2020: honestly, what I'd do is plug in only your other drive, install the OS, then plug in both drives and use the BIOS/UEFI to select one to boot from
[21:05] <reisio> which is good
[21:06] <Era> Ok, I have rebooted, tried playing some music to test out Pulse
[21:06] <Era> Audio became unstable for a bit
[21:06] <LinuxGuy2020> Ok yeah you guys are probably right, I remember the old dual boot from single drive stuff and if the drive had trouble then both OS had trouble. Maybe Ill just try and see. You guys make sense.
[21:06] <Era> NewGnuGuy: This only made PulseAudio unstable, reverting
[21:07] <jatt> remove pulseaudio is not needed
[21:07] <Era> I dont possess the technical knowledge to use only Alsa
[21:07] <jatt> only needed if you need mix sound from different sources, for normal usage is superfluous and buggy
[21:08] <Era> Well I do sometimes
[21:09] <skinux>  What is the default screenshot taking app for 14.04.1?
[21:11] <yeats> skinux: gnome-screenshot
[21:11] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Back from power outage .. your current status ?
[21:12] <Era> NewGnuGuy: What should I do then?
[21:12] <Era> PulseAudio is back to its earlier state
[21:12] <Era> All this rebooting has reminded me of another problem
[21:13] <Era> Every 24 hours, my wifi dies. It will die. There arent cases where it doesnt.
[21:13] <Era> It stops detecting my router
[21:13] <Era> when I try to disable and enable networking
[21:13] <Era> it just gets stuck at "Device not Ready"
[21:14] <Era> I have to reboot to fix it, and even that doesnt work flawlessly. After rebooting, I have to disable and enable networking for it to detect anything
[21:15] <NewGnuGuy> Era: Weird. Does it happen if you are in a different OS?
[21:15] <Era> Yes, it happens in any Linux based distros
[21:15] <Era> So far I have tried Manjaro, and various flavours of Ubuntu
[21:16] <skinux> Here is a list of all VLC packages I installed so far (except for the .xz ones)...what more do I need to have a launchable VLC (GUI) player? http://imgur.com/a/9rLUM
[21:17] <Era> NewGnuGuy: It used to be even worse before, it died after 20 mins of uptime. After following http://askubuntu.com/a/635629/495496 it got raised to 24 hours. This answer fixed the problem permanently in 14.04, I wonder why it doesnt work like that in 16.04
[21:19] <NewGnuGuy> Era: I have no idea
[21:19] <Era> I guess Ill have to live with this spotty wifi and audioless Civ5
[21:20] <squinty> skinux, if you are using 16.04, then that version is already in the repo's and can be installed with    sudo apt install vlc
[21:20] <skinux> squinty: That machine has no internet.
[21:20] <energizer> I'm looking for a tool to more effectively switch between windows, like an upgrade for Alt-TAB.
[21:21] <skinux> Don't you think I'd do it the easy way if I could?!
[21:21] <tgm4883> energizer: that's really generic
[21:21] <energizer> Is there a tool that will let me switch between many windows quickly, without having to Alt-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB
[21:22] <squinty> skinux,  i have no idea what your skill level is  bye
[21:22] <skinux> squinty: Sorry, I just need help figuring out what package I'm missing.
[21:22] <fox__> Hey all does anyone know any information about intel
[21:22] <fox__> 'burst in linux
[21:22] <fox__> not boost
[21:23] <robotbeta> I am using Ubuntu 4.10 on a 2002 PC.
[21:23] <robotbeta> lol
[21:23] <skinux> squinty: I installed wireless driver, but Ubuntu still doesn't see networks. I tried with Ethernet cable and it isn't getting an IP from the router.
[21:23] <Era> Mobile Data?
[21:23] <fox__> robotbeta: nice
[21:23] <Bashing-om> !14.10 | robotbeta
[21:23] <tgm4883> energizer: not 100% sure what you mean. How is ubuntu supposed to know what you want to switch to?
[21:24] <robotbeta> @skinux What version of Ubuntu are you using and are you dual-booting.
[21:24] <robotbeta> I mean 4.10
[21:24] <robotbeta> You know from 2004.
[21:24] <skinux> The machine I'm trying to setup is using 16.04 and not dual booting
[21:24] <robotbeta> Ahh.
[21:24] <robotbeta> Okay.
[21:24] <energizer> tgm4883: I'm not sure what tools are available for this, but some ways they could work:
[21:24] <robotbeta> Is secure-boot in your BIOS disabled?
[21:25] <energizer> tgm4883: alt tab but with up and down not just left and right
[21:25] <energizer> tgm4883: type part of the name of the window
[21:25] <skinux> Uhh..the machine doesn't even have secure-boot
[21:25] <tgm4883> energizer: what about <SUPER>+<NUMBER> ?
[21:25] <robotbeta> Did you check?
[21:25] <tgm4883> energizer: or how about <ALT>+<BACKTICK>
[21:26] <skinux> It's a Compaq Presario, 2Ghz, 500MB RAM, 80G HD, 32-bit, came out with Windows XP.
[21:26] <robotbeta> Ahh..
[21:26] <tgm4883> energizer: the first will switch to whatever application that is on your dock
[21:26] <energizer> tgm4883: i'd forgotten about super1, thats a good point
[21:26] <robotbeta> So you switched to Ubuntu.
[21:26] <tgm4883> energizer: the second would switch between different windows of the same application
[21:26] <robotbeta> What year was it released?
[21:26] <skinux> Nah, just inherited an older machine to play movies with and having a bitch of a time setting it up.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Oh.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Do you know how to get into BIOS and check the boot settings for secure-boot option to turn it off?
[21:27] <energizer> tgm4883: it'd be nice to have something like is available for emacs where you can start typing the name of the window and itll give it to you
[21:27] <fox__> Hey all: does anyone know of documentation or any information at all about intel burst under linux? I am trying to push a intel atom z373*** past 1.33Ghz it is capable of up to 1.83Ghz with intel burst again not boost
[21:27] <skinux> I've been in the BIOS, didn't see anything about it.
[21:27] <robotbeta> Okay.
[21:28] <skinux> Why does any of that matter as to getting some missing package for VLC?
[21:28] <Era> skinux: you can always try mobile data
[21:28] <skinux> I can't tether
[21:29] <robotbeta> You are having problems with Wifi right?
[21:29] <skinux> I've given up on WiFi.
[21:29] <robotbeta> Oh.
[21:29] <skinux> I just want VLC so I can play freaking movies.
[21:29] <robotbeta> Can you use ethernet?
[21:29] <skinux> No! It won't get IP from router.
[21:29] <skinux> PLEASE...VLC...package...for GUI launcher...
[21:30] <tgm4883> energizer: sorry, don't know a way to do that
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> skinux: You stated that there was a resolution to the issue in 14.04 - what was the link for that - if you don't mind my asking...?
[21:30] <fox__> set static ip and default gateway
[21:30] <k1l_> skinux: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <skinux> To what issue is 14.04?
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> skinux: the wifi driver issue...
[21:30] <skinux> I've already downloaded the packages I found on packages.ubuntu.com
[21:31] <skinux> YankDownUnder: I downloaded and installed the driver for wireless and it still won't work. The machine sees the adapter but won't use it.
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> help
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> wget http://germany.download.maverickservers.com//Killing-X-zone.(1680x1050.60FPS)-High.Quality.mp4
[21:31] <asdfsxftgh> does not work
[21:31] <YankDownUnder> skinux: What is the hardware?
[21:32] <skinux> NetGear Wireless-N 300 WNA3160
[21:32] <asdfsxftgh> how can i download a file with ( ) in wget , curl
[21:32] <skinux> I guess if I want any help I have to fix this POS wireless stuff.
[21:32] <k1l_> asdfsxftgh: maybe you need to escape with \
[21:32] <energizer> tgm4883: oh boy
[21:32] <energizer> tgm4883: http://askubuntu.com/questions/143589/how-do-i-enable-the-scale-window-title-filter-in-compiz-on-12-04
[21:33] <energizer> tgm4883: compiz can do it
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> thanks
[21:33] <yeats> asdfsxftgh: try putting it in quotes
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> works, #ubuntu always strong community
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> skinux: So is this a USB device?
[21:33] <skinux> lsusb sees the wireless adapter
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> \ done the work
[21:33] <asdfsxftgh> bye ^^ <3
[21:33] <minimec> asdfsxftgh: wget http://germany.download.maverickservers.com//Killing-X-zone.\(1680x1050.60FPS\)-High.Quality.mp4
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right - so it's a usb device...
[21:34] <skinux> Yes!!
[21:34] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Can you open up a terminal on that machine for me please?
[21:34] <skinux> Terminal is already up
[21:34] <FManTropyx> or quote it
[21:34] <robotbeta> Oh yeah.
[21:35] <robotbeta> Do you guys think a PCi network adapter will work with Ubuntu 4.10?
[21:35] <fox__> is there a arch chat?
[21:35] <robotbeta> Like a WiFi one.
[21:35] <FManTropyx> I think #archlinux
[21:35] <k1l_> robotbeta: ubuntu 4.10 is long time out of support. we in here focus on the actual supported releases.
[21:35] <rick6860> worst thing about linux is printer set up. Can't get network printer to print.
[21:35] <fox__> thanks
[21:36] <robotbeta> Alright.
[21:36] <YankDownUnder> skinux: In the terminal, can you type: sudo modprobe usbnet
[21:37] <robotbeta> Waiting to get a new battery and wifi network adapter for my old computer.
[21:37] <skinux> Didn't return anything
[21:38] <robotbeta> @skinux How old is your computer?
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Yes - it won't - now, can you restart your networking, please?
[21:38] <skinux> You mean ifdown and ifup?
[21:38] <skinux> Or actualy, should it be iwdown and iwup?
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Should be right...yes...
[21:39] <skinux> The iw commands don't exist
[21:40] <tmianotc> join #ubuntu-cn
[21:40] <YankDownUnder> skinux: "sudo systemctl restart network"?
[21:41] <skinux> Failed to restart network.service: Unit network.service not found
[21:41] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Sorry, "networking"
[21:42] <ptah> its ifup ifdown
[21:42] <ptah> its ifup ifdown
[21:42] <ptah> no iwdown
[21:42] <skinux> There is no iwdown it said it doesn't exist
[21:43] <YankDownUnder> skinux: "sudo systemctl restart networking"
[21:43] <skinux> Is it supposed to take a bit?
[21:44] <YankDownUnder> skinux: The system would be unloading/reloading all the modules related to networking - and all the devices related to networking - not just "one" device - so it's the entire networking system...and it can take a moment...so patience...
[21:45] <skinux> It finished with no errors
[21:45] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right. Now can you see if that has any effect on what your wifi can see, please?
[21:46] <skinux> Nothing is telling me about wireless networks, so I'm guessing it's not fixed
[21:46] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And you stated that there's also an eth connection on this machine, yes?
[21:46] <skinux> No.
[21:46] <skinux> I coudln't get it to connect with Ethernet either
[21:47] <jrm_> hello
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Ah...right oh...is it possible to plug in a cable and check if there's an ethernet connection?
[21:47] <ptah> ifconfig eth0
[21:47] <ptah> ifconfig eth1
[21:47] <skinux> I did that like two hours ago
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> skinux: I'm working from: http://askubuntu.com/questions/788355/netgear-wna3100m-wireless-n300-not-detecting-any-wifi
[21:48] <skinux> I've tried the cable 3 times, it won't get an IP.
[21:48] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And it's merely that the addition of the "usbnet.ko" module might make a difference...either which, it's no skin off my back if you want to test it or not.
[21:48] <skinux> Okay..I'll try again
[21:49] <Bashing-om> skinux: Identify the device name(s) as the names have changed in 16.04 .
[21:49] <skinux> I plugged the cable in again
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> skinux: And whilst you're in the terminal, can you ping any IP addresses or names? (i.e., "ping ftp.iinet.com.au")
[21:50] <computer> hello people, i am trying to connect to a VPN from ubuntu, i put my information and try to connect but it fails, any help? i think i should use cisco? what should i do?
[21:51] <mike-zal> how to get primie profiles? I get error: http://hastebin.com/eqexaqifoj.vbs
[21:51] <skinux> Okay...it doesn't work for the 4th time.
[21:51] <ptah> do nslookup yahoo.com
[21:51] <John[Lisbeth]> What is wrong with my .config/autostart/autostart? http://sprunge.us/eLfF
[21:51] <skinux> no nslookup didn't work
[21:52] <skinux> It......gets.....no......IP.
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Fair enough - since I wasn't watching the last times you tried - meanwhile, something that I've done in the past with laptops/notebooks having issues with ethernet and/or wifi - is to go into the BIOS and turn off the COM ports (they use an IRQ/memory address range) - and if there's an LPT, turning that off as well - and in some instances, that allows for the devices to work...just something to chuck into the mix for ya
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> since it's basically not working as it stands, hmm?
[21:53] <ptah> exec=~/./.autostart_config_custom.sh
[21:53] <ptah> there is typo
[21:53] <skinux> Nothing I try for internet is workking
[21:53] <k1l_> skinux: does the router give out ips to other machines on ethernet?
[21:53] <ptah> remove the /.
[21:53] <skinux> Yes...THIS laptop is connecting via wireless to the SAME router the other is plugged into.
[21:53] <k1l_> skinux: what is written in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: let's match the driver(s) for the hardware .. what returns - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'  - ?
[21:54] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I've heard that fglrx is not supported anymore under 16.04, and I assume that the package fglrx-pxpress is meant to transition people to the HSA driver? If so, how can I get a proprietary driver to work? The default one supports only OpenGL shaders up to 1.30, and I positively need =>4.10
[21:54] <k1l_> skinux: does the laptop work with the ethernet cable too?
[21:54] <skinux> auto lo iface lo inet loopback  auto enp2s2 iface enp2s2 inet dhcp
[21:54] <k1l_> skinux: its to rule out that the router or the cable got an issue, you know?
[21:55] <skinux> Yes, the laptop gets connection with the cable
[21:55] <computer> hello people, i am trying to connect to a VPN from ubuntu, i put my information and try to connect but it fails, any help? i think i should use cisco? what should i do?
[21:55] <ptah> lisbeth did you create that script?
[21:55] <k1l_> skinux: is on that other laptop a desltop with network manager?
[21:55] <ptah> you put extra . and /
[21:56] <skinux> THIS is a laptop, the OTHER is a tower desktop.
[21:56] <Tr|z|D> computer, https://www.shrew.net/download/ike u can use this
[21:56] <skinux> It has Ubuntu 16.04 so if it has a network manager, then I guess the answer is YES
[21:56] <Tr|z|D> or check if cisco has something
[21:56] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it shows my two cards, nvidia and intel, that works well
[21:57] <k1l_> skinux: well, make # in front of the lines with enp2s2
[21:57] <computer> Tr|z|D: can't i connect from the built in network manager?
[21:58] <skinux> And then what
[21:58] <k1l_> skinux: because if its not managed/mentioned in the network/interfaces the NM will try to handle the ethernet.
[21:58] <skinux> Why are we trying to make ethernet work? I don't want it I want wireless
[21:58] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, by the way, thanks for advice. tried recovery mode. at first I used some basic graphical mode but there was no cursor so I couldn't do anything, but then I rebooted and used admin mode. I realized I can install nvidia-current and that allowed me to boot propelly, although I got some error after enering desktop so something is still missing
[21:59] <k1l_> skinux: because its way easier to fix things if that machine got internet acces.
[21:59] <skinux> It's NOT GOING TO WORK
[21:59] <k1l_> skinux: but since you dont want my help i quit helping you. good luck
[21:59] <skinux> I don't know why, but the router won't respond to  the DAMN DCHPDISCOVER
[21:59] <ptah> skinux, what laptop is it?
[21:59] <skinux> IT'S NOT A LAPTOP
[22:00] <skinux> I'm using a laptop to talk in here.
[22:00] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, here is result of that command: http://hastebin.com/dulemejuvo.vhdl
[22:00] <ptah> skinux, did you try that wireless network on windows?
[22:00] <skinux> I'm trying to fix a Compaq Presario TOWER
[22:00] <k1l_> skinux: that is why i asked you if that is a router issue or not
[22:00] <ptah> did it work there?
[22:00] <ptah> ok
[22:00] <ptah> maybe the wifi is the prob
[22:00] <skinux> Yes, internet was working with Windows XP before I wiped it
[22:00] <k1l_> skinux: but you cant even explain the setup so people can help you. and using caps is just goin to make everyone ignore you.
[22:00] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Was not my intention to abandon you .. thunderstorm here knocked the power out . Show me the hardware we are working with ^^ please in a pastebin .
[22:00] <ptah> ok
[22:00] <ptah> hmm
[22:01] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found something like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-it/2016-June/064250.html
[22:01] <ptah> prob has conflict with device?
[22:01] <k1l_> skinux: so i guess you either change your attitude towards the volunteers in here or you try to find a different support way.
[22:01] <OerHeks>  still that eth0 old enp2s2  new issue skinux ?
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Everything works by step-by-step process, and when folks are blind, due to miscommunication, they're left taking stabs in the dark in trying to help.
[22:01] <TheMarius> a radio reciever pci card would be pretty sweet.. are there any for a reasonable price?
[22:01] <TheMarius> cb radio, ham radio, sat signals etc
[22:01] <ptah> what is your eth0 or eth1 saying?
[22:01] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, ups, I meant that site: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1181651
[22:02] <ptah> you have 192.168.x.x?
[22:02] <skinux> Just tell me what command to run next
[22:02] <John[Lisbeth]> I fixed it
[22:02] <skinux> Or what you need to know
[22:02] <mike-zal> I added lines to /usr/lib/nvidia-319/alt_ld.so.conf so maybe I will be ok after reboot
[22:02] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Take a pause, and consider : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105343/en-us. Then we see what you want to do .
[22:02] <skinux> I already commented those lines
[22:02] <ptah> john lisbeth what was the prob?
[22:02] <ptah> was it the typo?
[22:02] <skinux> brb
[22:03] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, every time I install that driver system becomes unbootable
[22:03] <ptah> extra /.
[22:03] <ptah> ?
[22:03] <mike-zal> so I prefer to stay with default 304 and use it
[22:03] <ptah> hello?
[22:04] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], ??
[22:04] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], what was the error?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: You do surely men the 367 version ?? Now I must ask .. if ya still have that PPA enabled .. and which PPA did you use for getting the 367 version driver ??
[22:04] <ptah> of the autostart
[22:05] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, so the bottom up: bumblebee doesn't work for me on 16.04 no matter what I do. nvidia-prime is also not working (no prime profiles)
[22:05] <mike-zal> ok, will check what I used
[22:06] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, for the first time I used this instruction: http://askubuntu.com/questions/749557/nvidia-with-bumblebee-installation-for-16-04
[22:06] <skinux> back
[22:06] <mike-zal> it made my system unbootable. form various reasons I did clean install instead fixing it
[22:07] <mike-zal> but now I just used ubuntu's driver's gui to switch to those drivers, with the same result
[22:07] <whitewabbit> :D
[22:07] <tonyjr> Yo
[22:07] <mike-zal> they were installed, but something went wrong during that process so system was still looking for 304, hence the boot issue
[22:07] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: My thought process is different than yours . I tend to accept that Nvidia knows better than I about what driver to use . So what is the status of 367 version ?'' And BumbleBee is dpreciated in favor of nvidia-prime .. the two controllers will not co-exist.
[22:08] <tonyjr> Lame
[22:08] <tonyjr> Fix it
[22:08] <skinux> Ethernet right now is showing 169.* IP address
[22:08] <tonyjr> Ive ive
[22:09] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, that's interesting. so far I found just one commend saying the same what you. on many sites people claim that bumblebee works. in fact they are preparing for version 4 (it tales lot of time thou) which rewrites the old bumblebee. also bumblebee seems to be more advanced then nvidia-prime so far...
[22:10] <mike-zal> also, bumblebee results in better performance (single program uses nvidia instead the whole DE)
[22:11] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, do I understand it right that the -update version means that driver will be updated but the usual version means it will stay static?
[22:11] <John[Lisbeth]> ptah: I just wasn't formatting the .desktop file correctly. It works now
[22:12] <eqwe> hi
[22:12] <eqwe> can someone help me
[22:12] <eqwe> hi
[22:12] <eqwe> :(
[22:12] <OerHeks> mike-zal, that stuff is from (2016-03-23) for xenial ... and you say it does NOT work for you, but still claim "bumblebee results in better performance " ...
[22:12] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: mike-zal No experience with BumbeBee . But we have an Nvidia driver, I would tend to think that nvidia has the better support for their driver, see: ' apt show nvidia-prime ' .
[22:12] <OerHeks> nvidia current works,..
[22:12] <eqwe> can someone help e
[22:13] <eqwe> *me
[22:13] <FManTropyx> lol
[22:13] <ptah> John[Lisbeth], ok
[22:13] <ptah> :)
[22:14] <mike-zal> ok, Bashing-om. will try to install that newest nvidia you recommened me. looking into that right now. if it goes wrong. I know how to go back to the 304 thanks to you.
[22:14] <skinux> YankDownUnder: Restarting network didn't solve it. It has a 169.* IP, so...what next?
[22:15] <reisio> wasn't there a version fo xscreensaver once that Ubuntu had patched to have rounded corners?
[22:15] <reisio> s/fo/of/
[22:16] <Rexodus> out of the box linux changes every day.
[22:17] <Rexodus> If you want it stable, compile it urself
[22:17] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found this site, seems promising: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus
[22:18] <mike-zal> looking for proper driver for my card but I dont know if that's 100 or 600 series.
[22:18] <mike-zal> I get: GF108M [GeForce GT 635M]
[22:18] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Let's not go blundering off .. there is a procedure in troublesome times to *purge* all and then re-install . Might be good to know what we need to purge ??
[22:18] <mike-zal> so is that 100M or 600M series?
[22:19] <r0gerth4t> i know this question is everywhere, but i keep getting conflicting info... but is it ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile, or ~/.bash_profile that i want to put stuff in for terminals when i'm logged in? research seems to show bash_profile but that is not even a file that exists by default on ubuntu
[22:19] <OerHeks> ugh, please don't follow that guide, mike-zal ...
[22:19] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, sorry, I'm not english native so I don't understood that last one
[22:21] <mike-zal> OerHeks, why? it sounds good. also that's the first one that advices to check what is the best driver for my card instead just advicing to go for the latest that... doesn't work for me
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: you can use either, but I suggest ~/.bashrc
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: with ~/.bash_profile merely sourcing ~/.bashrc (via '. ~/.bashrc', etc.)
[22:21] <reisio> r0gerth4t: because more things use a single "rc" file than a "profile" file, nevermind both
[22:22] <reisio> r0gerth4t: that is, you can use either or even both, but I suggest... ^
[22:22] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: K; .. IF you want to use the 367 version driver .. it is not in our repo .. that driver is from our trusted PPA .. so the referenced tutorial is not complete for our application . To know what we need to pirge ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia '
[22:22] <mike-zal> however... nvidia site recommended me 367 so...
[22:22] <r0gerth4t> reisio: thank you!
[22:22] <Bashing-om>  in a pastebin .
[22:23] <mike-zal> ok,I know that I need to add ppa for this
[22:24] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i think, that the 358 is the latest good working driver for that 635m https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:24] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, what that last command shows?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Maybe the 367 IF you choose .. the 364 version may work very well for you .. your call .. to see what drivers the system can now install do ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[22:25] <mike-zal> packages that I have installed and need to purge?
[22:25] <OerHeks> but nevermind, sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  gives the valid driver.
[22:26] <mike-zal> it shows 361 as the latest. didn't add that ppa yet
[22:26] <OerHeks> wipe your screen, it says 367
[22:27] <pablo> how re-install  grub   ?
[22:27] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: " nvidia-graphics-drivers-364364.19-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.6 " .
[22:27] <reisio> pablo: why
[22:28] <hades|2> can i use ubuntu-core and update to ubuntu-core xenial later ?
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <pablo> 'cause win erased  it
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <dax> joshua1234: yes?
[22:28] <joshua1234> hi
[22:28] <dax> oh, you
[22:28] <joshua1234> i wanted to say hey
[22:28] <joshua1234> lol
[22:28] <dax> don't start
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:28] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: as OerHeks says " nvidia-graphics-drivers-367367.35-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1 " .
[22:28] <reisio> pablo: boot-repair or grub-install from live OS
[22:28] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:29] <joshua1234> sigh
[22:29] <OerHeks> no no, 358, but let him auto install, that is the safest valid way
[22:29] <hades|2> ubuntu-core vivid*
[22:29] <OerHeks>  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  gives the valid driver.
[22:29] <pablo> boot-repair  don't exit
[22:30] <mike-zal> OerHeks, so far autoinstall brought me always 304, unless this autoinstall command is different from what system did earlier
[22:30] <OerHeks> valid as in 'we support that' and a bugreport is possible
[22:30] <mike-zal> anyway, I added ppa and now after sudo ubuntu-drivers list I see 367 driver
[22:30] <mike-zal> I will try that if I'm at it. if it fails I can always try that autoinstall.
[22:30] <OerHeks> try autoinstall with that ppa mike-zal , or use 'sudo ubuntu-drivers list' to see what that ppa gives ( as valid)
[22:31] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: mike-zal Agreed on the safest way .. presently mike has both nvidia-prime and BumbleBee installed .. I will hazard to guess . Awaiting confirmation .
[22:31] <pablo> boot-repait   command not  found
[22:31] <pablo> boot-repair
[22:32] <joshua1234> !ops
[22:32] <reisio> pablo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:32] <Jack_935> Hi Jedry
[22:32] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, I purged bumblebee so that's not the issue
[22:33] <lagbox> ikonia, thanks
[22:33] <Bashing-om> ,OerHeks And ya removed the old xorg.conf file .. and you removed the prior nvidia driver too ? yes ??
[22:34] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: that last for OerHeks should be to you . sorry OerHeks .
[22:34] <FManTropyx> can I ask a stupid question?
[22:35] <Bashing-om> If and only if it is aboit ubuntu .. we do not mend broken hearts .
[22:37] <Daifuco> Im learning to code in this ubuntu thing 16.04, my problem when I install vim-gtk3-py2 it does NOT have python support, only python 3, When I install nox yes I have python2 but not key things like clipboard support.  Is there anything I am doing wrong?
[22:38] <FManTropyx> just what does 'ppa' mean again?
[22:38] <Bashing-om> !ppa | FManTropyx
[22:39] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, I purged nvidia 304 and am now currently installing 367. after it's done, I will check /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf if it has proper entry and if not, add it. then reboot
[22:39] <FManTropyx> tnx!
[22:39] <skinux> I just installed an old wireless internet card (not USB) into the tower. Booted up and still no wireless. But maybe we can get the card to work.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: That old config file maybe still in place .. if that old config file is present .. well maybe the new driver will not work ? .
[22:40] <Bashing-om> FManTropyx: NP .. only dumb ubuntu question is the one that is not asked .
[22:40] <mike-zal> will check if the folders from old nvidia are still in system.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf .
[22:43] <skinux> This card is Marvell Technology Group 88w8335 Wireless card
[22:43] <mike-zal> .
[22:44] <mike-zal> it turned out that /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf is empty, so I am adding two lines that should be there:
[22:44] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, what should I do with /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ? it's empty
[22:44] <trism> Daifuco: did you select the wrong binary? I just checked the vim.gtk3-py2 binary and it does have python2 support not python3
[22:45] <Daifuco> I only have a massive partition with ubuntu I would like to split it to install and dualboot another dristro, how should I proceed? gparted as expected does not let me touch as it is active (obviously)
[22:45] <reisio> Daifuco: from live OS
[22:45] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Empty ??? that file is required in a hybrid graphics set up !
[22:45] <Daifuco> ok so gparted from there, it makes sense
[22:46] <reisio> Daifuco: :)
[22:46] <reisio> Daifuco: that said, dual booting is pointless
[22:46] <reisio> how many OSes do you need :p
[22:46] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, my mistake, it's not empty. probably some typo in command. when I open it from nautilus it shows content but not when I used command so command is off
[22:46] <reisio> (rhetorical)
[22:47] <Daifuco> true
[22:47] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Ya still want to remove that file .. it "should" be re-built on the current driver's install .. and compatible with the new install .
[22:47] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, found typo. it should be xorg.conf not Xorg.conf. I just copied from you ;)
[22:48] <mike-zal> heh? really? I should remove it now? I already installed the driver
[22:49] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it shows: Identifier "Default Card 0"
[22:49] <mike-zal> usID "PCI:0@0:2:0"
[22:49] <mike-zal> will check if that's correct. what was that command?
[22:50] <mike-zal> ok, found itr
[22:50] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Well .. as You have completed the install . will not hurt to see what happens ... we can always remove the file .. and if needed remove it and have the system generate a new one .
[22:51] <mike-zal> ok, seems be ok. I have: 00:02.0 VGA
[22:51] <mike-zal> and in file is: Identifier "Default Card 0" and BusID "PCI:0@0:2:0"
[22:52] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, will reboot system. be right back or... not (in case I have to rewert to old driver...)
[23:05] <toothe> where does Ubuntu configure the device renameing settings?
[23:06] <toothe> i wantt o prevent it from renaming eth0.
[23:06] <Narwhaal> toothe: udev settings maybe
[23:07] <Bashing-om> toothe: Look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
[23:07] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, failure... no boot. but was able to get to tty now.
[23:07] <Narwhaal> you'd have to edit grub config and entry into a .rules file
[23:07] <Narwhaal> as Bashing-om said
[23:07] <mike-zal> tried to run x and there was some error.
[23:07] <mike-zal> anyway, back to 304 that... works
[23:08] <Narwhaal> "net.ifnames=1 biosdevname=0" is required iirc
[23:08] <mike-zal> it's too late today so I must finish with experiments for now. and tomorrow I have a friend's weeding and day after tomorrow the same... so will have no time to dig into that problem.
[23:08] <mike-zal> but will be back... ;)
[23:09] <mike-zal> later
[23:09] <mike-zal> thanks Bashing-om
[23:09] <Duff_man> hello
[23:09] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: 304 is not a good option : http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[23:09] <Duff_man> Does Ubuntu spy on you?
[23:09] <Narwhaal> it works with windows so yes
[23:09] <mike-zal> still, that's THE ONLY THAT WORKS for me now :(
[23:10] <mike-zal> I see no reason why usual ways of changing drivers don't work. can't do it with command, can't do it with gui, they all result in non bootable system, unless I go back to 304
[23:11] <SpaghettiZombie> spaghetti
[23:11] <Narwhaal> yay
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> The Spaghetti Monster was banned
[23:12] <yorwos> i wanted to make some space deleting old kernels and headers and deleted everyone of them. i reinstalled the last kernel+header i was using, will my system boot or do i need to take aditional steps for them to work?
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> and has returned to eat your flesh, ops
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> !ops Eating flesh
[23:12] <SpaghettiZombie> !ops eating flesh
[23:12] <mike-zal> browsed through many sites and don't see why it doesn't work. installing new driver automatically removes older one. being on safe side I removed it first last time but it didn't help. so any method I tried doesn't work and they all are legit and recommended by many sites so I'm stuck.
[23:13] <mike-zal> ah, forgot, I have that auto install command. will try that out quickly. will see if it pulls different driver
[23:13] <Duff_man> muh tech
[23:14] -SpaghettiZombie:#ubuntu- I am the Prophet.  I was sent here by the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER to ask you all to join ##TheFlyingSpaghettiMonster
[23:14] <mike-zal> lol. sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall pulls nvidia 367 now... Bashing-om
[23:15] <mike-zal> anyway, if system won' boot, I will be restoring it later. it's after 1 am for me... should be long in bed
[23:16] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: K .. when ya get the time .. and in the mood .. we see what we can learn if the 367 driver fails .
[23:17] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, it seems that any other then 304 fails. I didn't temper before with my system. it's pretty fresh install so it all should work.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> MikeBones: Conversely .. the 304 should not work .. old old X server stack .. long out of support .
[23:20] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, success! this autoinstall command did the trick!
[23:20] <Bashing-om> mike-zal: Wow .. after all this time .. up and running !
[23:20] <mike-zal> but still I have no prime profiles in nvidia settins
[23:21] <mike-zal> so the same situation. I probably miss some packages but I don't understand why nvidia-prime didn't pull them automatically. nevermind. too late for that. will be digging into that in few days probably.
[23:21] <mike-zal> Bashing-om, thanks again and see you later
[23:22] <mike-zal> bye
[23:22] <squishy3000> i've been having some issues connecting to wi-fi, can anyone help
[23:26] <danielthebague> Hi looking to do an upgarde to 16.04.1 LTS and the installer states i have low disk space. i ran apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean, apt-get autoremove and also used ubuntu tweak tool to remove old kernels. also installed and ran bleachbit (as root) to clear old log files, emptied trash too and still i have a low disk space warning. is there a work around can i remove anything else or would a backup and new installat
[23:26] <danielthebague> ion be more appropriate in my circumstances?
[23:27] <miles> @daniel Would you be up for removing apps?
[23:27] <miles> Or anything you can re-install?
[23:28] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: Old kernels ? Too old and 'autoremove ' is non effective . what is now installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[23:28] <danielthebague> yes but would i be able to reinstall them after the upgrade?
[23:29] <miles> Yes you can, there is the Ubuntu Software Centre for your needs in 16.04 LTS
[23:29] <danielthebague> was kind of thinking if i am running out of space now will it be an issue after the upgrade?
[23:29] <biobuntu> make a bash to install all :p
[23:29] <posi> I'm looking for a localhost proxy which puts out a http port and will proxy to a https connection
[23:29] <dancingd3mon> Bashing-om,
[23:30] <EriC^^> posi: i think nginx can do that
[23:30] <dancingd3mon> Did I ask anything now? I forgot what I've said.
[23:30] <posi> EriC^^: thanks i suppose that seems super heavyweight but *shrug
[23:30] <miles> Well it may be an issue if you install more updates or applications. But I think you will have enough.
[23:31] <Tin_man> not sure, but i think he meant danielthebague instead..
[23:31] <danielthebague> miles, what would be suitable to uninstall thats around 250M perhaps gimp or something similar
[23:31] <miles> Yeah.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: If ya short on space now .. will be shorter after the release upgrade . how many kernels ^^ are installed now ?
[23:31] <miles> Gimp.
[23:32] <biobuntu> gimp-help and office-help 50 mo too
[23:32] <biobuntu> once
[23:32] <dancingd3mon> what?
[23:32] <danielthebague> i used ubuntu tweak tools to remove old kernels
[23:32] <dancingd3mon> what space brother...???
[23:33] <miles> You can uninstall what is in the  Ubuntu Software Centre, because it is easier to reinstall.
[23:33] <dancingd3mon> you mean danielthebague ??
[23:34] <miles> I am helping out danielthebague.
[23:34] <Tin_man> O.o
[23:34] <miles> Or at least trying to.
[23:35] <danielthebague> think i will go with a fresh install then make a root directory of at least 20Gb
[23:35] <miles> Sounds good.
[23:35] <biobuntu> ^^
[23:35] <Bashing-om> dancingd3mon: Ouch .. sorry yes .. my wires were crossed . :(
[23:35] <dancingd3mon> all good man :D
[23:36] <dancingd3mon> i was like I might have been high or something hehe
[23:36] <Tin_man> :)
[23:36] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Old kernels ? Too old and 'autoremove ' is non effective . what is now installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[23:36] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, i have removed old kernels using the ubuntu tweak tool currently have one kernel
[23:37] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: K .. and what now shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[23:37] <sarthor> HI, Is there FRULL SCREEN Clock with Alarm, temperature, date for linux? something like this https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41L3FLGmABL._AC_UL320_SR296,320_.jpg
[23:39] <danielthebague> Bashing-om: Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:39] <danielthebague> udev            3.5G  8.0K  3.5G   1% /dev
[23:39] <danielthebague> tmpfs           711M  1.4M  710M   1% /run
[23:39] <danielthebague> /dev/sda1        14G  8.7G  4.7G  66% /
[23:39] <danielthebague> none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[23:39] <danielthebague> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[23:39] <Bashing-om> !paste | danielthebague
[23:40] <danielthebague> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21459617/
[23:42] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: So far soo good .. and ' df -i ' ??
[23:43] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/21459901/
[23:45] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well .. those do not indicate a space problem ( yet ) .
[23:45] <danielthebague> Bashing-om: seem to be getting one though
[23:48] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Most times that is /boot with old kernels . Even though you say they have been removed . what is installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' to see ?
[23:49] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, only has one kernel listed there
[23:50] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well , end of my thoughts . As we have no present indications of space constraints . Got nothing to go on .
[23:51] <danielthebague> Bashing-om, still think a fresh install would be wise with a larger root size of 20Gb
[23:55] <Mitchell92> Hello. I was hoping to find some sort of google voice desktop client that will sit in the background and let me send / receieve text messages without having to have chrome open?
[23:57] <OerHeks> Mitchell92, it has a timeout of 5 seconds or so
[23:57] <Bashing-om> danielthebague: Well .. 20 gigs in your use case would be nice . Presently, however, you do have 4.7G available .. that is a bunch in my book .
[23:58] <Mitchell92> OerHeks: what does?
[23:59] <Shadow_7> If I change the contents of /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf to true and run fc-cache -f -v, firefox will crash and not launch again until I undo that change to the original false.