| bluesabre | evening all | 00:56 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | hello sean | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | heya pasi | 00:57 |
| knome | what's up? | 00:57 |
| knome | playing pokemon? | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | wife has my phone currently | 00:57 |
| knome | huh, she playing? | 00:58 |
| bluesabre | I think she's evolving pidgeys like crazy to level me up | 00:58 |
| knome | :D | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Did I need to keep appfinder.png? | 04:05 |
| flocculant | knome: assuming mp for council is as expected, best to get team to vote in a mail thread or comment on mp? | 07:12 |
| flexiondotorg | bluesabre, I hear GTK 3.20 is landing in 16.10 proposed soon. | 09:38 |
| flexiondotorg | Just a heads up since themes will need a significant rework. | 09:38 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: afaik they've been working on themes | 11:10 |
| flexiondotorg | Cool :-) | 11:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: anything happened with the intel/lock thing lately? | 11:23 |
| ochosi | flexiondotorg: just fyi, our theme already has gtk3.20 support | 14:23 |
| flexiondotorg | ochosi, Thanks. | 14:23 |
| flexiondotorg | Upstream MATE themes are sorted. | 14:23 |
| flexiondotorg | The Ubuntu MATE themes are nearly done. | 14:24 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I did think so, but wasn't completely sure :) | 14:24 |
| ochosi | good to hear flocculant | 14:31 |
| ochosi | err flexiondotorg | 14:32 |
| ochosi | gah, you guys should really sort out your nicknames! | 14:32 |
| * flexiondotorg looks sheepish | 14:32 | |
| * flocculant looks sheepdogish | 14:44 | |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: don't let ochosi talk to infinity about nicks :p | 14:44 |
| ochosi | :) | 14:47 |
| flexiondotorg | I have actually been thinking about changing my IRC nick. | 14:48 |
| === flexiondotorg is now known as Wimpress | ||
| flocculant | good for you - just ftr I'm not doing that ever again :p | 14:50 |
| Wimpress | It is me, flexiondotorg | 14:51 |
| Wimpress | A grouped nic. | 14:51 |
| Wimpress | ochosi, Happy now! Look what you made me do ;-) | 14:51 |
| ochosi | haha | 14:51 |
| flocculant | Wimpress: 2 burgers and a large fries please :p | 14:51 |
| * Wimpress face palms | 14:51 | |
| ochosi | Wimpress: i'll keep my huge impact on you in mind and speak more carefully next time ;) | 14:52 |
| flocculant | not seen a Wimpy for years :) | 14:52 |
| Wimpress | flocculant, I have. And my RL nickname is Wimpy. | 14:57 |
| flocculant | ochosi: goven that akxwi-dave is going to take over for at least 6 months - can you add him to -release team, so I can spend some time with him on the trackers with real permissions there | 14:57 |
| flocculant | Wimpress: :D not seen one locally for years - I thought that was long gone | 14:58 |
| flocculant | well that was a few minutes of my life I'll not get back ... | 15:01 |
| Wimpress | flocculant, One in my home town - http://www.localdatasearch.com/basingstoke/town_centre/fast_food_takeaway/wimpy-12459914 | 15:01 |
| flocculant | oh my - you in basingstoke? | 15:02 |
| flocculant | 60 minutes up the m3 from me :) | 15:02 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yeah makes sense, will do that now | 15:03 |
| Wimpress | flocculant, Well, not in Basingstoke. But it is the closest town. | 15:03 |
| ochosi | flocculant: ok, done | 15:04 |
| flocculant | ochosi: thanks :) | 15:05 |
| flocculant | Wimpress: soton is closest to me | 15:06 |
| Wimpress | flocculant, So did you ever used to go to HantsLUG? | 15:14 |
| flocculant | nope - no transport | 15:14 |
| flocculant | did think about it a few times | 15:15 |
| Wimpress | OK. They used to be in soton. But that was years back. | 15:15 |
| flocculant | Wimpress: on another note (ignore the language) you ever seen Turn off secure boot checkbox in installer? https://ibin.co/2pjePvirQnae.jpg | 15:15 |
| flocculant | yea - soton uni iirc | 15:16 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: it is said "no news is good news", I'll go with that | 15:23 |
| bluesabre | >.> | 15:24 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 15:24 |
| flocculant | will it be out next week then :p | 15:24 |
| flocculant | heh | 15:24 |
| bluesabre | hah | 15:24 |
| bluesabre | no, probably not | 15:24 |
| flocculant | :) | 15:24 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I assume you saw mp for contr-docs for council | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: haven't looked, been on vacation this week | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | getting ready to resume being a contributing member to society | 15:26 |
| bluesabre | cleaned my desk today :D | 15:26 |
| flocculant | lol | 15:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: the dead poets society..? | 15:29 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if dead poets contribute to xfce/xubuntu, yes | 15:29 |
| ochosi | also, does that mean i'm looking at an exo and xfce4-settings release this week? :D | 15:29 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: at least exo in the next few days | 15:30 |
| bluesabre | -settings, soonish (many more bugs to sort out) | 15:30 |
| ochosi | btw, released a new notifyd | 15:33 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: at some point - logout of 'tracker(s)' then log back in, enable 'release team' when you do | 15:33 |
| flocculant | have a look around - and we'll talk at some point about what you'll be able to do | 15:33 |
| akxwi-dave | cheers will do | 15:33 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: awesome | 15:33 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not at all sure what went on here - but I appeared to lose desktop - had x-defualt-settings wanting upgrading and needing systemd from -proposed | 15:35 |
| flocculant | I got it sorted in the end after ending up with a default xfce desktop | 15:35 |
| flocculant | was too much before the second cup of tea :| | 15:36 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: xenial+ppa or yakkety? | 15:36 |
| flocculant | yak ppa's | 15:36 |
| bluesabre | hm | 15:36 |
| bluesabre | Unit193 might have a better idea of that | 15:36 |
| flocculant | always going to be dev here - even next cycle lol | 15:36 |
| flocculant | he did say something - but that was the other day - and I couldn't even get to irc logs - nothing worked | 15:37 |
| flocculant | and of course I'd not sorted out the vanilla xenial yet ... | 15:37 |
| flocculant | just thought I'd let you know for Justin's Case | 15:37 |
| bluesabre | you're probably just yakketing incorrectly | 15:38 |
| bluesabre | :P | 15:38 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 15:38 |
| akxwi-dave | he didn't really say that did he.. ;-) | 15:39 |
| flocculant | I'd be sad if I was doing it properly | 15:39 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: see what you're going to have to get used to :p | 15:39 |
| akxwi-dave | stocking up on the Jameson's | 15:39 |
| bluesabre | akxwi-dave: I say things sometimes that make no sense to myself :D | 15:40 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 15:40 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: you could be Unit193 | 15:40 |
| flocculant | oh nvm | 15:40 |
| flocculant | you said myself instead of everyone else :D | 15:40 |
| flocculant | Wimpress: lol :) | 15:46 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Yeah, I figured you were using the daily builds of x-d-s and thusly you tried to switch to systemd user units. | 15:48 |
| flocculant | guess so - I know the systemd upgrade installed some dbus thing | 15:49 |
| flocculant | dbus-user-session | 15:50 |
| Unit193 | Technically that was the x-d-s upgrade, and as I said, dbus-user-session. :/ | 15:50 |
| flocculant | yup | 15:50 |
| Unit193 | Not thrilled with it all either. :/ | 15:50 |
| flocculant | Unit193: what confused me is that I was sure it wasn't yesterday we *spoke*, was sure I'd rebooted with the un-upgraded and broken x-d-s | 15:51 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: any benefit from it? | 15:51 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not for me - I lost hair | 15:51 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: upstart user → systemd user. | 15:51 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: gotcha | 15:51 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: they have remedies for that | 15:51 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Sooo, "Everything is better!" also we'll have to look into xfce4-indicator-plugin again. | 15:52 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: single bladed razor | 15:52 |
| * bluesabre was going to suggest debian oldstable | 15:52 | |
| flocculant | Unit193: so that'd be why the dropbox thing I had to have broke? | 15:52 |
| Unit193 | Dropbox thing? | 15:53 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: Everything is better/nothing is changed/its just an init system/everything is terrible (all at once) | 15:54 |
| * flocculant has dropbox till he gets wedding pic - had the ind for it working - then it broke, had to remove the ind plugin, stop start dropbox and then put ind-plugin back on pane; | 15:54 | |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Ah, so just the typical missing icon. You can either edit ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd and add unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS right before the exec, or fix it somehow else. | 15:55 |
| flocculant | I did somehow else iirc | 15:56 |
| Unit193 | https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2016-July/035114.html so just a couple changes then. | 16:13 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.20.6-1ubuntu1 fun times. | 16:17 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yes, seems like just a few... dozen | 16:19 |
| Unit193 | flexiondotorg: You need more SASL. :P | 16:20 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Something is bound to be broken, but what? :D Anyway, did you ever look at xfce4-settings packaging, for gtk3? | 16:21 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-session* | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: not yet, but hopefully soon (probably mess with it tonight/this weekend) | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | heading out now, bbl | 16:22 |
| Unit193 | Ok, what I had was in /source/, not sure the state of it. Have fun. | 16:23 |
| flocculant | ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/1598316/comments/7 can that be right if version of desktop is same as we released with? | 19:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1598316 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "gtk2-engines-murrine desktop text shadow problem" [High,Triaged] | 19:20 |
| flocculant | and what I don't understand is how that update got through and screwed things up in the first place? | 19:20 |
| flocculant | Unit193: ^^ | 19:20 |
| flocculant | pleia2: not sure who to say to - but we should lose 15.10 from http://docs.xubuntu.org/ EOL now | 19:25 |
| Unit193 | Hi. | 19:25 |
| flocculant | getting there | 19:25 |
| Unit193 | Will you stab me if I give an idea? :3 | 19:26 |
| flocculant | only etherstabbing | 19:26 |
| flocculant | so pretty painless :) | 19:26 |
| Unit193 | Oh cool. So if he thinks it is xfdesktop, what happens if someone replaces that with pcmanfm? (It's what handles the desktop in LXDE.) | 19:27 |
| flocculant | so I'm right? | 19:30 |
| flocculant | seems pretty much slam dunk to me - if we were good and something else updates and we're broken - not us broke it | 19:31 |
| flocculant | *shrug* | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Not tried it yet, but yeah an update to that engine broke things. Technically, it's likely seen that it was broken before, but this just shows it. I don't know. | 19:37 |
| flocculant | well I guess reverting to old engine should fix it | 19:37 |
| flocculant | I could upgrade and see | 19:38 |
| flocculant | but on saturday :) | 19:38 |
| ochosi | Unit193, flocculant: not an issue with xfdesktop for sure. it's murrine. period. | 19:50 |
| knome | flocculant, i'm no pleia2, but done. | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I have a fixed Numix already, thanks! ;) | 19:53 |
| flocculant | knome: indeed and thanks :) | 20:01 |
| knome | np | 20:01 |
| knome | re: xsd stuff, yes, we should probably just dump that on the mailing list (and CC the CC just in case) | 20:02 |
| flocculant | ochosi: thanks to you too - just wanted to ask someone who'd have more clue than me :) | 20:02 |
| flocculant | knome: ack - I''ll do that shortly then | 20:02 |
| knome | i'd personally post the new section as-is on the mail (instead of a diff - and no worries if links disappear) for better legibility. | 20:06 |
| knome | since we aren't really *changing* anything, that should be the best way to go | 20:07 |
| knome | but of course link to the merge proposal too if somebody wants to double-check the diff. | 20:07 |
| flocculant | ok - I'll do both for archive sake | 20:07 |
| knome | yup | 20:07 |
| flocculant | ochosi knome and anyone else awake | 20:09 |
| flocculant | how long 1 week? 2? | 20:09 |
| flocculant | really anoyyingly 10 days? | 20:09 |
| flocculant | ofc I'll spell it properly on a mail :p | 20:09 |
| knome | IMO a week is long enough time for anybody active to reply/vote | 20:11 |
| flocculant | well I'd say the same - but it needs to be a majority and it is the summer | 20:12 |
| knome | well, the history here is that the team has generally accepted this direction, and this is very much in the exact same spirit | 20:12 |
| knome | so, *shrug* | 20:12 |
| knome | i'd still say most of the active people are around within any 7 days | 20:13 |
| knome | if we don't have the majority after 7 days, then extend | 20:13 |
| flocculant | ok | 20:13 |
| knome | like if you count how many of the team have been active today alone | 20:13 |
| knome | that's already a lot | 20:13 |
| knome | and that's just IRC | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Well, IRC is more popular among Xubuntu folk. >_> | 20:13 |
| knome | sure. | 20:13 |
| knome | but then again, we can just point people on IRC who didn't read the ML stuff to do that. | 20:14 |
| knome | this would be a totally different beast if the team was 100 people and of half of them we only ever heard via email and/or commit messages | 20:14 |
| knome | (that would be scary btw) | 20:14 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I must say that I like the 'boom' in that response :D | 20:14 |
| flocculant | ok - so that's away now | 20:15 |
| ochosi | heh | 20:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, couldn't help it ;) | 20:16 |
| flocculant | and voted | 20:17 |
| flocculant | ochosi: :) | 20:17 |
| flocculant | should have snipped ... | 20:17 |
| knome | voted as well | 20:17 |
| knome | snipping is for ...snippers? | 20:17 |
| flocculant | waiting for responses to me without snipping | 20:17 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 20:17 |
| ochosi | what about all those missing spaces..? :) | 20:17 |
| ochosi | "withXubuntu" | 20:18 |
| ochosi | "enablingthe" | 20:18 |
| flocculant | they're full of snips ochosi | 20:18 |
| * ochosi wonders whether he shall really approve that... | 20:18 | |
| Unit193 | "Ending on" == "Ending after"? | 20:18 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I think that's copying from a pad | 20:18 |
| flocculant | oh boo | 20:18 |
| flocculant | I didn't put a finish date on it :p | 20:19 |
| knome | flocculant, gives us more freedom :P | 20:19 |
| knome | again, i'm sure most of us will reply in a timely manner | 20:19 |
| flocculant | me added that to end on 6th August | 20:19 |
| knome | errmm. | 20:20 |
| knome | note to self: if you want to use an SSH key, please copy it on the system you are sitting at | 20:20 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I don't see missing spaces | 20:20 |
| flocculant | perhaps it's your client :p | 20:21 |
| knome | maybe | 20:21 |
| flocculant | I had more trouble with nested sections ... | 20:22 |
| flocculant | till I realised you just nest them ... | 20:22 |
| knome | :P | 20:22 |
| knome | i can confirm i see the non-space issue when i turn on "plain text only" mode on tb. | 20:22 |
| knome | so it's totally do with the pad, it's always messing up the spaces with some html elements like that. | 20:23 |
| knome | so it seems like i'll boot my desktop machine one more time today... | 20:23 |
| flocculant | I did just drag and drop from pad | 20:24 |
| ochosi | this is my client: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-July/011238.html | 20:24 |
| knome | ochosi, no, the mailing list moderators didn't order anything from you.. | 20:25 |
| flocculant | I can confirm knome confirming that too | 20:25 |
| knome | anyway | 20:25 |
| knome | who cares? | 20:25 |
| flocculant | ochosi: check out the mp instead then :D | 20:25 |
| knome | the correct stuff is available on the repository diff | 20:25 |
| flocculant | *I* was going to get silly and ask team to +1 as a comment on the mp :) | 20:26 |
| flocculant | as that's what we're really doing | 20:26 |
| knome | that's what we should have done... | 20:27 |
| knome | add everybody individually as a reviever | 20:27 |
| knome | reviewer too | 20:27 |
| knome | Unit193, would you fancy voting on the ML now so we can see if mail reaches simon now? | 20:29 |
| flocculant | knome: I did think about it both seriously and half-seriously | 20:31 |
| flocculant | then it was just loads of work - so I went to work | 20:32 |
| knome | lol | 20:34 |
| flocculant | I also thought that if anyone really wanted it that way then I could delete my branch and let them do it :p | 20:35 |
| knome | ochosi, got the mail now? | 20:36 |
| knome | hah | 20:36 |
| ochosi | knome: nope | 20:46 |
| knome | hmm. | 20:48 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: next meeting I will set for 12th August - what time you want - assuming post 18:00 UTCV | 20:58 |
| flocculant | we should have a vote by then | 20:59 |
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