[00:56] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:57] <knome> hello sean
[00:57] <bluesabre> heya pasi
[00:57] <knome> what's up?
[00:57] <knome> playing pokemon?
[00:57] <bluesabre> :D
[00:57] <bluesabre> wife has my phone currently
[00:58] <knome> huh, she playing?
[00:58] <bluesabre> I think she's evolving pidgeys like crazy to level me up
[00:59] <knome> :D
[04:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did I need to keep appfinder.png?
[07:12] <flocculant> knome: assuming mp for council is as expected, best to get team to vote in a mail thread or comment on mp?
[09:38] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre, I hear GTK 3.20 is landing in 16.10 proposed soon.
[09:38] <flexiondotorg> Just a heads up since themes will need a significant rework.
[11:10] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: afaik they've been working on themes
[11:11] <flexiondotorg> Cool :-)
[11:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: anything happened with the intel/lock thing lately?
[14:23] <ochosi> flexiondotorg: just fyi, our theme already has gtk3.20 support
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, Thanks.
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> Upstream MATE themes are sorted.
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE themes are nearly done.
[14:24] <flocculant> ochosi: I did think so, but wasn't completely sure :)
[14:31] <ochosi> good to hear flocculant 
[14:32] <ochosi> err flexiondotorg 
[14:32] <ochosi> gah, you guys should really sort out your nicknames!
[14:32]  * flexiondotorg looks sheepish
[14:44]  * flocculant looks sheepdogish
[14:44] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: don't let ochosi talk to infinity about nicks :p
[14:47] <ochosi> :)
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> I have actually been thinking about changing my IRC nick.
=== flexiondotorg is now known as Wimpress
[14:50] <flocculant> good for you - just ftr I'm not doing that ever again :p
[14:51] <Wimpress> It is me, flexiondotorg
[14:51] <Wimpress> A grouped nic.
[14:51] <Wimpress> ochosi, Happy now! Look what you made me do ;-)
[14:51] <ochosi> haha
[14:51] <flocculant> Wimpress: 2 burgers and a large fries please :p
[14:51]  * Wimpress face palms
[14:52] <ochosi> Wimpress: i'll keep my huge impact on you in mind and speak more carefully next time ;)
[14:52] <flocculant> not seen a Wimpy for years :)
[14:57] <Wimpress> flocculant, I have. And my RL nickname is Wimpy.
[14:57] <flocculant> ochosi: goven that akxwi-dave is going to take over for at least 6 months - can you add him to -release team, so I can spend some time with him on the trackers with real permissions there
[14:58] <flocculant> Wimpress: :D not seen one locally for years - I thought that was long gone
[15:01] <flocculant> well that was a few minutes of my life I'll not get back ... 
[15:01] <Wimpress> flocculant, One in my home town - http://www.localdatasearch.com/basingstoke/town_centre/fast_food_takeaway/wimpy-12459914
[15:02] <flocculant> oh my - you in basingstoke? 
[15:02] <flocculant> 60 minutes up the m3 from me :)
[15:03] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah makes sense, will do that now
[15:03] <Wimpress> flocculant, Well, not in Basingstoke. But it is the closest town.
[15:04] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, done
[15:05] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks :)
[15:06] <flocculant> Wimpress: soton is closest to me
[15:14] <Wimpress> flocculant, So did you ever used to go to HantsLUG?
[15:14] <flocculant> nope - no transport
[15:15] <flocculant> did think about it a few times
[15:15] <Wimpress> OK. They used to be in soton. But that was years back.
[15:15] <flocculant> Wimpress: on another note (ignore the language) you ever seen Turn off secure boot checkbox in installer? https://ibin.co/2pjePvirQnae.jpg
[15:16] <flocculant> yea - soton uni iirc
[15:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: it is said "no news is good news", I'll go with that
[15:24] <bluesabre> >.>
[15:24] <flocculant> \o/
[15:24] <flocculant> will it be out next week then :p
[15:24] <flocculant> heh
[15:24] <bluesabre> hah
[15:24] <bluesabre> no, probably not
[15:24] <flocculant> :)
[15:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume you saw mp for contr-docs for council 
[15:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: haven't looked, been on vacation this week
[15:26] <bluesabre> getting ready to resume being a contributing member to society
[15:26] <bluesabre> cleaned my desk today :D
[15:26] <flocculant> lol
[15:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: the dead poets society..?
[15:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: if dead poets contribute to xfce/xubuntu, yes
[15:29] <ochosi> also, does that mean i'm looking at an exo and xfce4-settings release this week? :D
[15:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: at least exo in the next few days
[15:30] <bluesabre> -settings, soonish (many more bugs to sort out)
[15:33] <ochosi> btw, released a new notifyd
[15:33] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: at some point - logout of 'tracker(s)' then log back in, enable 'release team' when you do
[15:33] <flocculant> have a look around - and we'll talk at some point about what you'll be able to do
[15:33] <akxwi-dave> cheers will do
[15:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: awesome
[15:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: not at all sure what went on here - but I appeared to lose desktop - had x-defualt-settings wanting upgrading and needing systemd from -proposed
[15:35] <flocculant> I got it sorted in the end after ending up with a default xfce desktop 
[15:36] <flocculant> was too much before the second cup of tea :|
[15:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: xenial+ppa or yakkety?
[15:36] <flocculant> yak ppa's 
[15:36] <bluesabre> hm
[15:36] <bluesabre> Unit193 might have a better idea of that
[15:36] <flocculant> always going to be dev here - even next cycle lol 
[15:37] <flocculant> he did say something - but that was the other day - and I couldn't even get to irc logs - nothing worked
[15:37] <flocculant> and of course I'd not sorted out the vanilla xenial yet ... 
[15:37] <flocculant> just thought I'd let you know for Justin's Case
[15:38] <bluesabre> you're probably just yakketing incorrectly
[15:38] <bluesabre> :P
[15:38] <flocculant> \o/
[15:39] <akxwi-dave> he didn't really say that did he..  ;-)
[15:39] <flocculant> I'd be sad if I was doing it properly 
[15:39] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: see what you're going to have to get used to :p
[15:39] <akxwi-dave> stocking up on the Jameson's
[15:40] <bluesabre> akxwi-dave: I say things sometimes that make no sense to myself :D
[15:40] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[15:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: you could be Unit193 
[15:40] <flocculant> oh nvm
[15:40] <flocculant> you said myself instead of everyone else :D
[15:46] <flocculant> Wimpress: lol :)
[15:48] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah, I figured you were using the daily builds of x-d-s and thusly you tried to switch to systemd user units.
[15:49] <flocculant> guess so - I know the systemd upgrade installed some dbus thing
[15:50] <flocculant> dbus-user-session
[15:50] <Unit193> Technically that was the x-d-s upgrade, and as I said, dbus-user-session. :/
[15:50] <flocculant> yup
[15:50] <Unit193> Not thrilled with it all either. :/
[15:51] <flocculant> Unit193: what confused me is that I was sure it wasn't yesterday we *spoke*, was sure I'd rebooted with the un-upgraded and broken x-d-s
[15:51] <bluesabre> Unit193: any benefit from it?
[15:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: not for me - I lost hair 
[15:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: upstart user → systemd user.
[15:51] <bluesabre> Unit193: gotcha
[15:51] <bluesabre> flocculant: they have remedies for that
[15:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Sooo, "Everything is better!" also we'll have to look into xfce4-indicator-plugin again.
[15:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: single bladed razor
[15:52]  * bluesabre was going to suggest debian oldstable
[15:52] <flocculant> Unit193: so that'd be why the dropbox thing I had to have broke? 
[15:53] <Unit193> Dropbox thing?
[15:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: Everything is better/nothing is changed/its just an init system/everything is terrible (all at once)
[15:54]  * flocculant has dropbox till he gets wedding pic - had the ind for it working - then it broke, had to remove the ind plugin, stop start dropbox and then put ind-plugin back on pane;
[15:55] <Unit193> flocculant: Ah, so just the typical missing icon.  You can either edit ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd and add unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS right before the exec, or fix it somehow else.
[15:56] <flocculant> I did somehow else iirc
[16:13] <Unit193> https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2016-July/035114.html so just a couple changes then.
[16:17] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.20.6-1ubuntu1 fun times.
[16:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, seems like just a few... dozen
[16:20] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: You need more SASL. :P
[16:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Something is bound to be broken, but what? :D  Anyway, did you ever look at xfce4-settings packaging, for gtk3?
[16:22] <Unit193> xfce4-session*
[16:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: not yet, but hopefully soon (probably mess with it tonight/this weekend)
[16:22] <bluesabre> heading out now, bbl
[16:23] <Unit193> Ok, what I had was in /source/, not sure the state of it.  Have fun.
[19:20] <flocculant> ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/1598316/comments/7 can that be right if version of desktop is same as we released with?
[19:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1598316 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "gtk2-engines-murrine desktop text shadow problem" [High,Triaged]
[19:20] <flocculant> and what I don't understand is how that update got through and screwed things up in the first place?
[19:20] <flocculant> Unit193: ^^
[19:25] <flocculant> pleia2: not sure who to say to - but we should lose 15.10 from http://docs.xubuntu.org/ EOL now
[19:25] <Unit193> Hi.
[19:25] <flocculant> getting there
[19:26] <Unit193> Will you stab me if I give an idea? :3
[19:26] <flocculant> only etherstabbing
[19:26] <flocculant> so pretty painless :)
[19:27] <Unit193> Oh cool.  So if he thinks it is xfdesktop, what happens if someone replaces that with pcmanfm?  (It's what handles the desktop in LXDE.)
[19:30] <flocculant> so I'm right?
[19:31] <flocculant> seems pretty much slam dunk to me - if we were good and something else updates and we're broken - not us broke it 
[19:31] <flocculant> *shrug*
[19:37] <Unit193> flocculant: Not tried it yet, but yeah an update to that engine broke things.  Technically, it's likely seen that it was broken before, but this just shows it.  I don't know.
[19:37] <flocculant> well I guess reverting to old engine should fix it 
[19:38] <flocculant> I could upgrade and see
[19:38] <flocculant> but on saturday :)
[19:50] <ochosi> Unit193, flocculant: not an issue with xfdesktop for sure. it's murrine. period.
[19:50] <knome> flocculant, i'm no pleia2, but done.
[19:53] <Unit193> ochosi: I have a fixed Numix already, thanks! ;)
[20:01] <flocculant> knome: indeed and thanks :)
[20:01] <knome> np
[20:02] <knome> re: xsd stuff, yes, we should probably just dump that on the mailing list (and CC the CC just in case)
[20:02] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks to you too - just wanted to ask someone who'd have more clue than me :)
[20:02] <flocculant> knome: ack - I''ll do that shortly then
[20:06] <knome> i'd personally post the new section as-is on the mail (instead of a diff - and no worries if links disappear) for better legibility.
[20:07] <knome> since we aren't really *changing* anything, that should be the best way to go
[20:07] <knome> but of course link to the merge proposal too if somebody wants to double-check the diff.
[20:07] <flocculant> ok - I'll do both for archive sake
[20:07] <knome> yup
[20:09] <flocculant> ochosi knome and anyone else awake
[20:09] <flocculant> how long 1 week? 2? 
[20:09] <flocculant> really anoyyingly 10 days? 
[20:09] <flocculant> ofc I'll spell it properly on a mail :p
[20:11] <knome> IMO a week is long enough time for anybody active to reply/vote
[20:12] <flocculant> well I'd say the same - but it needs to be a majority and it is the summer
[20:12] <knome> well, the history here is that the team has generally accepted this direction, and this is very much in the exact same spirit
[20:12] <knome> so, *shrug*
[20:13] <knome> i'd still say most of the active people are around within any 7 days
[20:13] <knome> if we don't have the majority after 7 days, then extend
[20:13] <flocculant> ok 
[20:13] <knome> like if you count how many of the team have been active today alone
[20:13] <knome> that's already a lot
[20:13] <knome> and that's just IRC
[20:13] <Unit193> Well, IRC is more popular among Xubuntu folk. >_>
[20:13] <knome> sure.
[20:14] <knome> but then again, we can just point people on IRC who didn't read the ML stuff to do that.
[20:14] <knome> this would be a totally different beast if the team was 100 people and of half of them we only ever heard via email and/or commit messages
[20:14] <knome> (that would be scary btw)
[20:14] <flocculant> ochosi: I must say that I like the 'boom' in that response :D
[20:15] <flocculant> ok - so that's away now
[20:16] <ochosi> heh
[20:16] <ochosi> yeah, couldn't help it ;)
[20:17] <flocculant> and voted
[20:17] <flocculant> ochosi: :)
[20:17] <flocculant> should have snipped ... 
[20:17] <knome> voted as well
[20:17] <knome> snipping is for ...snippers?
[20:17] <flocculant> waiting for responses to me without snipping 
[20:17] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:17] <ochosi> what about all those missing spaces..? :)
[20:18] <ochosi> "withXubuntu"
[20:18] <ochosi> "enablingthe"
[20:18] <flocculant> they're full of snips ochosi 
[20:18]  * ochosi wonders whether he shall really approve that...
[20:18] <Unit193> "Ending on" == "Ending after"?
[20:18] <flocculant> ochosi: I think that's copying from a pad
[20:18] <flocculant> oh boo
[20:19] <flocculant> I didn't put a finish date on it :p
[20:19] <knome> flocculant, gives us more freedom :P
[20:19] <knome> again, i'm sure most of us will reply in a timely manner
[20:19] <flocculant> me added that to end on 6th August
[20:20] <knome> errmm.
[20:20] <knome> note to self: if you want to use an SSH key, please copy it on the system you are sitting at
[20:20] <flocculant> ochosi: I don't see missing spaces
[20:21] <flocculant> perhaps it's your client :p
[20:21] <knome> maybe
[20:22] <flocculant> I had more trouble with nested sections ...
[20:22] <flocculant> till I realised you just nest them ... 
[20:22] <knome> :P
[20:22] <knome> i can confirm i see the non-space issue when i turn on "plain text only" mode on tb.
[20:23] <knome> so it's totally do with the pad, it's always messing up the spaces with some html elements like that.
[20:23] <knome> so it seems like i'll boot my desktop machine one more time today...
[20:24] <flocculant> I did just drag and drop from pad
[20:24] <ochosi> this is my client: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-July/011238.html
[20:25] <knome> ochosi, no, the mailing list moderators didn't order anything from you..
[20:25] <flocculant> I can confirm knome confirming that too 
[20:25] <knome> anyway
[20:25] <knome> who cares?
[20:25] <flocculant> ochosi: check out the mp instead then :D
[20:25] <knome> the correct stuff is available on the repository diff
[20:26] <flocculant> *I* was going to get silly and ask team to +1 as a comment on the mp :)
[20:26] <flocculant> as that's what we're really doing 
[20:27] <knome> that's what we should have done...
[20:27] <knome> add everybody individually as a reviever
[20:27] <knome> reviewer too
[20:29] <knome> Unit193, would you fancy voting on the ML now so we can see if mail reaches simon now?
[20:31] <flocculant> knome: I did think about it both seriously and half-seriously
[20:32] <flocculant> then it was just loads of work - so I went to work
[20:34] <knome> lol
[20:35] <flocculant> I also thought that if anyone really wanted it that way then I could delete my branch and let them do it :p
[20:36] <knome> ochosi, got the mail now?
[20:36] <knome> hah
[20:46] <ochosi> knome: nope
[20:48] <knome> hmm.
[20:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: next meeting I will set for 12th August - what time you want - assuming post 18:00 UTCV
[20:59] <flocculant> we should have a vote by then