[04:02] <Bashing-om> Done for this session; later .
[06:56] <ducasse> morning all
[06:59] <OerHeks> Hi ducasse
[07:00] <ducasse> hi OerHeks - how are you today?
[07:02] <OerHeks> my dog just ran off with a piece of garlicbread
[07:02] <OerHeks> good, and how do you do?
[07:04] <ducasse> fine, thanks, just served the cat breakfast and boiled some tea. the first things that need to be done in the morning :)
[07:06] <OerHeks> my dog does not like tea
[07:08] <ducasse> seems he (she?) likes garlicbread, though.
[11:38] <ducasse> EriC^^: do you know much about legacy booting with gpt partition layout?
[11:38] <daftykins> he's the boot king :D
[11:38] <daftykins> morning \o well, afternoon but who's counting :)
[11:38] <EriC^^> yeah you need a bios-boot partition for it to work
[11:38] <ducasse> \o daftykins, how are things?
[11:39] <EriC^^> hey daftykins :D
[11:39] <ducasse> EriC^^: we had a guy yesterday, i told him to make one, and it still refused to boot.
[11:39] <ducasse> it's known to be problematic, the arch wiki says?
[11:39] <daftykins> mmm not much happening here to be honest, still in bed from the laptop and making plans with friends who are over on the island from England for the weekend, talk of a bbq :D
[11:39] <EriC^^> not really
[11:39] <EriC^^> did he make it in the first 2tb of the disk?
[11:40] <ducasse> EriC^^: 500gb disk, so yes.
[11:40] <daftykins> why did they make the disk GPT? thats like, a facepalm moment
[11:40] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:41] <ducasse> in the end i told him to switch to uefi mode and reinstall with an efi partition. worked.
[11:41] <ducasse> daftykins: the disk was gpt after a windows install, he just deleted the partition.
[11:42] <ducasse> but i was curious about why it refused to boot with the bios boot partition.
[11:42]  * daftykins runs off with OerHeks' garlic bread - ah Drabber, you are an excellent decoy
[11:42] <ducasse> now you have that for the bbq!
[11:43] <EriC^^> :D
[11:43] <daftykins> \o/
[11:44] <daftykins> i think our friends parents are feeding us for free o0
[11:44] <daftykins> yay at being over 30 and still going around school time friends places and being fed for free XD
[11:44] <daftykins> thats life on a small island for you!
[11:44] <ducasse> make sure they don't drug the food and sell you into slavery. ;)
[11:48] <daftykins> D:
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:49] <daftykins> hi sir
[11:49] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[11:49] <daftykins> how goes it over there?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi daftykins very well thanks, beautiful day here. How about there?
[11:50] <daftykins> mmm if i'm honest i haven't opened the blinds and looked out yet :D but i hope it's good, theres a bbq planned!
[11:51] <BluesKaj> BBQ rocks :-)
[11:55] <ducasse> daftykins: do you know a good technique for applying thermal paste, or do i just put a small dab in the middle?
[12:05] <EriC^^> maybe put all over it
[12:07] <BluesKaj> oops, mounted transistors etc with thermal paste ..still have a Heathkit AA29 amp built in 1972 in working condition
[12:07] <ducasse> what i'm finding online is very contradictory, i just assumed i shouldn't use too much.
[12:08] <EriC^^> really? i've never used one myself but i know about thermal stuff from uni (studied mech engineering) it makes sense that you need the least amount possible but over the whole surface area to remove any discrepencies in the materials
[12:08] <BluesKaj> well, you can always doogle, don't think the technique has changed much tho
[12:09] <EriC^^> over the whole surface area, but just enough not too much
[12:10] <BluesKaj> doogle=google :-)
[12:10] <ducasse> a couple of tips online said that a dab in the middle would be spread evenly over the service when the cooler is pressed down - i have no idea, that's why i asked :)
[12:11] <BluesKaj> not too thick if you spread it, also depends on what kind of surface
[12:12] <EriC^^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjF5jabXRCY
[12:12] <EriC^^> when in doubt, youtube
[12:12] <ducasse> :)
[12:12] <ducasse> thanks, i'll view that.
[14:17] <daftykins> ducasse: sorry i'd fallen asleep D:
[14:18] <daftykins> yeah different people have different methods, i like to use my arctic silver 5 and a knife to spread a thin layer out over the heatspreader, then the leftover on the knife i wipe onto the heatsink contact surface... then i rub that in with a piece of toilet paper or cotton pad to fill up the microscopic gaps in the metal (which discolours it slightly)
[14:18] <daftykins> works well :>
[14:26] <ducasse> daftykins: ok, thanks - i'll try that. the thermal paste i have is noctua nt-h1, it was supposed to be a safe choice :)
[14:27] <ducasse> i'm mounting a noctua nh-u12s on an i7 4790k, it gets too hot under heavy load with the stock cooler.
[14:28] <daftykins> hmm that usually only happens with bad case cooling
[14:30] <daftykins> http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/vl/intel_app_method_vertical_line_v1.1.pdf
[14:30] <daftykins> hmm they changed how they do it, it seems!
[14:30] <daftykins> i've seen folks do it that way online
[14:31] <ducasse> the temp inside the case is good, and for everything except the cpu when under full load for an extended period of time.
[14:31] <daftykins> heh makes sense, my method was from back in the day before heatspreaders took off...
[14:31] <daftykins> what are you seeing for temps at max load?
[14:32] <daftykins> just curious, it always makes sense to have a fancier cooler :)
[14:32] <ducasse> up to 80°C
[14:32] <daftykins> oof
[14:32] <ducasse> at normal load it rarely exceeds 30.
[14:32] <daftykins> is that using the on-chip graphics or do you have a discrete card?
[14:33] <ducasse> on-die.
[14:33] <daftykins> mmm
[14:35] <ducasse> i asked in ##hardware, and they said it was pretty common to see that with the stock cooler.
[14:35] <daftykins> they're idiots in there though
[14:35] <daftykins> :D
[14:36] <daftykins> i didn't get banned though! i don't go there :D but i know someone who pastes their crazy on a regular basis
[14:36] <ducasse> yeah, i asked about thermal paste and got tthe answer "use this much ---> ."
[14:36] <daftykins> oh dear
[14:37] <ducasse> that's not very helpful.
[14:39] <ducasse> the other things they said about cooling seemed to make sense, as it mirrored what i was reading elsewhere. there were a lot of reports of heating with the 4790k and the stock cooler.
[14:40] <daftykins> ah maybe they bundled a bad one with that specific model
[14:40] <daftykins> my i7 6700 (non-K) is idling in the low to mid 20s, using a discrete graphics card
[14:40] <ducasse> possible. it works really well for everything except encoding video, for example :)
[14:40] <ducasse> mine too.
[14:41] <ducasse> (with on-die gpu)
[14:41] <daftykins> ooh i worked out how to enable HEVC hardware decode the other day, this huge Sony 4K sample file plays as smooth as now with only 5% CPU load
[14:42] <ducasse> nice, which gpu?
[14:42] <daftykins> nvidia 1070 :)
[14:42] <ducasse> those are actually kinda scary ;)
[14:42] <daftykins> Bit rate                       : 75.6 Mbps
[14:42] <daftykins> Maximum bit rate               : 123 Mbps
[14:42] <daftykins> 1.12GB for a 2 minute sample
[14:43] <daftykins> oh that's 10 bit HDR too
[14:43] <ducasse> is this linux or windows?
[14:43] <daftykins> windows with MPC-HC
[14:43] <daftykins> i'd have to have a screw loose to buy cutting edge hardware and then run Linux
[14:43] <ducasse> yes, i would think the linux libs lag a little there.
[14:44] <daftykins> i think ffmpeg added full decode support a couple of weeks ago
[14:44] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8iiftw23glst03v/AAAD3QXUYgpmkNdK2LYNVJqca?dl=0
[14:44] <daftykins> few snaps of when i got the 1070 there :)
[14:44] <ducasse> i bought "recent enough" hardware, didn't want to wait 6-12 months for support.
[14:44] <daftykins> with free Haribo!
[14:44] <ducasse> \o/
[14:45] <ducasse> dear $deity, that card is a *monster*.
[14:45] <daftykins> mmm i thought my 560Ti was chunky back 5 or so years ago
[14:45] <ducasse> the only discrete gpu i own is an amd hd5450 :)
[14:46] <daftykins> now they screw huge metal backplates to them to stop the PCBs warping
[14:46] <ducasse> because heat?
[14:46] <daftykins> nah weight
[14:46] <ducasse> ah. these chips are getting very impressive, though.
[14:46] <daftykins> not sure if you read much hardware news, but this thing is an efficiency king - sits here as i'm at the desktop with the fans off and sorta, 35 deg C temps
[14:47] <daftykins> fans only spin up once it warms up to 60 deg C :)
[14:48] <ducasse> hehe, there was a guy in #ubuntu maybe two weeks back who was *insisting* on buying an amd cpu, and asked for a good mobo that supported a cpu with 220w tdp :)
[14:49] <daftykins> mmm AMD have slipped big time :( it's really sad
[14:49] <daftykins> hopefully their new Zen CPUs at the end of the year will be nicer though, good to have competition of course
[14:50] <ducasse> those cpus are horrible. *utterly* horrible. i hope zen can keep up, yes.
[14:50] <ducasse> really liked amd at one point.
[14:52] <daftykins> i keep looking at the blown caps on this little motherboard (which it turns out still works) and wishing i could solder :D
[14:53] <ducasse> hehe - i suck at soldering :) what kind of board?
[14:53] <daftykins> https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5KPLAM/ super budget old thing
[14:54] <daftykins> ooh an ebay special snap - http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ASUS-P5KPL-AM-SE-LGA775-Socket-G31-Intel-Dual-Core-1333-MHz-Motherboard-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqR,!pwE-)Y0FdzcBP7(MghG)g~~60_57.JPG
[14:54] <ducasse> i've got one from the same gen, p5b-v i think. still works, but switched off.
[14:54] <daftykins> ah har
[14:55] <daftykins> my theory right now is that the caps blew and then killed one of the RAM modules (which i've sent for a free replacement)
[14:55] <daftykins> that means both of my 2 core 2 quad machines will have 8GB RAM now :)
[14:55] <ducasse> wehey! :)
[14:56] <daftykins> right now i still have another core 2 duo 2.8GHz spare though so i've been playing with it in these 3 boards i have left
[14:56] <ducasse> i've thought about spinning up my c2d again, but power usage...
[14:56] <daftykins> one works but has fried USB from a lightning strike, the one above with the bad caps and another that's totally dead
[14:56] <daftykins> mmm they are quite the tanks now
[14:58] <ducasse> mine works just fine, but i haven't looked for blown caps or anything lately. it's just in a cupboard in case i suddenly need a backup machine for something..
[14:59] <daftykins> *nod* best use probably! i thought this one wasn't POSTing because of the blown caps, but eventually i found this one RAM module was making every board it was in act out
[14:59] <daftykins> so it runs now, but i think it's unwise to use because it'll probably damage components i put in
[15:00] <daftykins> i really struggle to think of the use for a core 2 duo level machine, too...
[15:00] <ducasse> me too. i _thought_ about using it with pfsense as a firewall, and bought a mikrotik :)
[15:00] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/r1ouC
[15:01] <ducasse> :)
[15:02] <ducasse> the mikrotik stuff is really nice, though, thinking about getting an ap from them.
[15:04] <ducasse> hmmm... the guy i was helping said he was terminating his x session, and hasn't come back. i guess that didn't work, then :)
[15:04] <daftykins> ruh roh
[15:05] <daftykins> sounds like your calendar just opened up 8D
[15:06] <ducasse> he was doing an upgrade from trusty to xenial, obviously with quite a lot of ppas, and it did _not_ go well. surprise.
[15:10] <daftykins> fancy that :)
[15:10] <ducasse> i told him 5 hours ago it would be quicker to backup+reinstall, but he's still at it.
[15:13] <ducasse> nice troll - "fff | When I type MOUNT C C:\ it won't mount the drive"
[15:14] <daftykins> hah that sounds like DOSbox
[15:14] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldering-Helping-Desolder-Beginners-soldering/dp/B006EXZM28/ this seems tempting
[15:15] <ducasse> i actually looked at one like that in a local shop, but decided i was much too dangerous with a soldering iron.
[15:16] <ducasse> it's tempting to get one plus another rpi + a ton of interesting components, though.
[15:16] <daftykins> XD
[15:16] <daftykins> dangerous shops to go by :)
[15:19] <ducasse> absolutely. i'd like another rpi for experiments, there's just so much they can be used for.
[15:20] <daftykins> mmm, had fun setting my first one up as the music streamer, i put it on a spare card so i still have the NOOBS card to take a look at
[15:22] <ducasse> mine is hooked up to the tv, running openelec. decent enough media box, but i'd like something with hevc support.
[15:23] <daftykins> mmm i sit in #kodi and mostly suffer fools that can't even use their Pis
[15:23] <daftykins> i run an Amazon FireTV though for mine these days :) retired the intel atom + nvidia ion1 nettop
[15:24] <ducasse> hehe, i can *vividly* imagine that :) i was looking at the webox core...
[15:27] <ducasse> whenever i look at amazon.co.uk i get a lot of "this seller doesn't deliver to norway", but when i go through sweden they will deliver there.
[15:27] <ducasse> odd.
[15:27] <daftykins> ooh you suffer the same as me, mine often says "does not post to Channel Islands"
[15:27] <daftykins> which is a very rude move
[15:27] <ducasse> maybe we're on the "axis of evil".
[15:28] <daftykins> :D
[15:28] <daftykins> we're a funny land, we hold British passports but when we go to England for university we have to pay the same international tuition fees as someone from Asia might
[15:29] <daftykins> an ex girlfriend was even put in the same accomodation as folks from the far east
[15:29] <ducasse> britain is weird :) i've always loved it there, though.
[15:31] <ducasse> i wonder if it's the sellers or amazon, i've ordered plenty from uk companies over the years without any trouble.
[15:32] <daftykins> yeah i only get it from marketplace sellers, are your postal services perhaps more expensive to cross the border?
[15:33] <ducasse> our postal service is expensive, period :)
[15:37] <ducasse> when are you going to the bbq?
[15:39] <daftykins> i live in the capital these days, my friends parents place is on the central west coast, so i'd cross the island at its' skinny part :>
[15:39] <ducasse> which island are you on?
[15:40] <ducasse> (i only remembered it was one of them :)
[15:40] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/BmrXkcM6VGK2
[15:40] <daftykins> :D
[15:42] <ducasse> cool :)
[15:42] <ducasse> hmmm, seems this thunderstorm is getting closer...
[15:44] <daftykins> ruh roh!
[15:45] <ducasse> need to get a ups for the file server at some point.
[15:46] <daftykins> they're great, small investment but nice to have that peace of mind
[15:47] <daftykins> i bought a UK plug to UPS adapter a bit ago too, so now i run my router and switch from it as well
[15:47] <daftykins> quite funny to still be online from my phone or laptop when the island had a power cut the other day
[15:48] <ducasse> definitely, i have surge protectors on everything and a _very_ good electrical system, but i'd hate for that particular box to suddenly lose power.
[16:01] <daftykins> i'd like to submit myself for idiot of the day award
[16:02] <daftykins> assemble the hardware with the lightning fried USB motherboard and attempt to use a USB keyboard to enter the BIOS :D
[16:05]  * ducasse facepalms
[16:05] <ducasse> it's embarrasing when things like that happens...
[16:06] <daftykins> >:D
[16:06] <daftykins> wow it wants a BIOS update for a core 2 duo
[16:07] <daftykins> and that's no longer possible because USB!
[16:07] <ducasse> hmmm. can't you do it from cd/dvd?
[16:08] <daftykins> i'd probably have to find a utility that works, then cobble together some bootable media to do it
[16:08] <daftykins> lots of work really
[16:09] <ducasse> more than it's worth, probably.
[16:10] <daftykins> yeah
[16:11] <ducasse> it's fun to fiddle with older hardware, but rarely productive :)
[16:11] <daftykins> just threw in a spare SSD i put xubuntu on, boots straight in \o/
[16:12] <ducasse> yay!
[16:12] <ducasse> why do people paste in the channel when explicitly told to use a pastebin?
[16:12] <daftykins> well, this thing could still be useful for a secondary file server for someone i know... but not if i have to press F1 to get past this CPU prompt :D
[16:12] <daftykins> idiots :)
[16:13] <ducasse> if they don't know what a pastebin is, they can just ask :)
[16:14] <daftykins> those ones irritate me too, won't even ask about things they don't get
[16:15] <ducasse> when you're asking for help, you should be asking about things you don't understand, right?
[16:15] <daftykins> yip
[16:15] <daftykins> i mean i'd expect it from the youngsters...
[16:16] <ducasse> hope he figures out how to use a pastebin soon, i need to make dinner..
[16:17] <ducasse> oh god, he has now posted it on a pastebin and asks what i can see *without posting the url* :)
[16:18] <daftykins> yep you have to guess the paste ID
[16:18] <daftykins> what do you mean it'll take forever? :D
[16:19] <ducasse> ok, paste.ubuntu.com/0000001 - nope, that's not it, 0000002, nope...
[16:19] <daftykins> http://termbin.com/rmz4
[16:20] <daftykins> :D
[16:20] <ducasse> :)
[16:21] <daftykins> this is a good method, i'll install server from another PC then transplant the disk
[16:25] <ducasse> this guy has a bad apt situation, but i think i'll start meking dinner and hope someone else can help - /me need to feed :)
[17:15] <\9> it would appear that you can't install in efi mode without an efi partition...
[17:16] <Bashing-om> That is a fact ^, due to how the firmware looks for the boot code .
[17:18] <EriC^^> true