[02:53] <lucas_ai> What's a very fast browser for linux that I can use really fast with keyboard shortcuts, not much with the mouse? I wanna increase productivity.
[02:56] <sarnold> lucas_ai: a friend told me about this, but I couldn't figure out how to run it http://edbrowse.org/
[02:57] <sarnold> lucas_ai: I use pentadactly for firefox, but it's chronically not functioning after firefox updates, and you have to run it from git... maybe search for it and then figure out something -else-. I can't, I'm too used to pentadactyl now. some day when I have to switch life is goign to be terrible for a few months.
[04:53] <hallyn> sarnold: i'm back to using vimperator (which pentadactyl was the new version of)
[04:54] <hallyn> it has a few downsides, but at least it always works
[05:10] <lucas_ai> I made a simple service and put it in /etc/init.d/potentialstudio ... why am I getting this error: Failed to start potentialstudio.service: Unit potentialstudio.service not found.
[05:48] <lucas_ai> I made a simple service and put it in /etc/init.d/potentialstudio ... why am I getting this error: Failed to start potentialstudio.service: Unit potentialstudio.service not found.
[06:15] <Seveas> lucas_ai: /etc/init.d is obsolete, make a proper systemd unit file.
[07:27] <lucas_ai_> my systemd unit is working now, but how do I make it start when booting Ubuntu? when I do "sudo service potentialstudio enable", I get "potentialstudio: unrecognized service"
[07:36] <ikonia> that is not how you manage systemd
[07:39] <lucas_ai_> ok...
[07:40] <ikonia> man systemctl
[08:00] <lucas_ai> I'm on Ubuntu server 16.04 with unity, and I can't log into an XFCE session. There's no option in the login screen!
[08:02] <lucas_ai> I literally can't find a way online.
[08:23] <lucas_ai> After installing xubuntu-desktop and rebooting, I have XFCE+Unity as default. I can't find a way to use gnome+Unity again. The settings icon in the login screen doesn't exist. Any ideas?
[08:51] <lucas_ai> How do I start my script or service when booting up?
[12:53] <thenewone> hi guys
[12:53] <thenewone> when i try to install something i get this error
[12:53] <thenewone> files list file for package 'linux-headers-4.4.0-31-generic' is missing final newline
[16:09] <alnr> i'm trying to patch openssl on xenial for CVE-2016-2107 (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-2107.html) my system reports openssl 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1 as newest,  but the vulnerability remains even that that page purports that 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1 should cover it. is there a later version available?
[16:14] <patdk-lap2> heh?
[16:14] <patdk-lap2> how did you test that you are affected by cve-2016-2107?
[16:15] <patdk-lap2> and did you restart your server, or atleast all services that use openssl after you upgraded?
[16:36] <alnr> patdk-lap2: i did restart the server. i'm using sslabs.com as the test.
[16:37] <alnr> ssllabls.com*
[16:37] <alnr> ssllabs.com
[16:44] <alnr> also https://filippo.io/CVE-2016-2107/
[18:12] <gbaker> I have a question about SSD's seem slow for buffered disk reads being in a raid0. Anyone have experience with this?
[18:12] <bekks> Define "seems slow" and elaborate on your benchmarking please. :)
[18:13] <gbaker> Just used hdparm and cached is 12149.30 MB/sec and buffered is 838.09 MB/sec
[18:14] <bekks> hahahahahdparm :)
[18:14] <cncr04s> sounds about right, I get up to 900MB/s reads
[18:15] <gbaker> yeah, but it's been a few years since I've been on a 1/2 decent machine. I have to leave MS... ugh on my desktop for app specific reasons :(
[18:16] <bekks> Then why do you use the most useless benchmarking tool ever?
[18:17] <gbaker> last time I was using linux not in a VM has been a few years...
[18:17] <cncr04s> you are unlikley to reach full saturation of your two 6G sata channels, mabye get sas drives or get a m.2 slot or pci ssds
[18:18] <gbaker> It's 4 m.2 drives
[18:18] <gbaker> I should state this is a laptop.
[18:18] <gbaker> So I do expect differences
[18:18] <cncr04s> then u got a problem, as good single m.2 ssd get me 2000mb/s+
[18:19] <bekks> The DISK, not the controllers in a laptop...
[18:19] <gbaker> Thats what I figured. It should be faster
[18:19] <bekks> If you really want to benchmark your disk, use a benchmarking tool, and constraints that result in benchmarking the disk, not your memory.
[18:19] <bekks> Forget. about. hdparm.
[18:20] <gbaker> Suggestion on best one to try?
[18:20] <bekks> dd and testfile sizes larger than your RAM.
[18:21] <bekks> and a blocksize which is at least your filesystem blocksize.
[18:22] <gbaker> with dd it's  2.70247 s, 795 MB/s
[18:22] <bekks> "with dd". Which exact dd command did you use?
[18:23] <cncr04s> I have a feeling your slots are just using sata channels
[18:23] <gbaker> "dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test1.img bs=32G count=1 oflag=dsync"
[18:23] <bekks> Cool, so you benchmarked your CPU.
[18:23] <bekks> You benchmarked how fast it can generate zeros.
[18:23] <bekks> and bs=32G is nonsense, since your filesystem does not use 32G blocks.
[18:24] <bekks> and oflag=dsync is even more nonsense, since you want to benchmark your disk, not synchronous writes.
[18:24] <cncr04s> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1M count=1024 is what I use
[18:24] <gbaker> Just seeing most sites posting hdparm stuff still... Ill try that
[18:25] <bekks> You are benchmarking your CPU too.
[18:25] <bindi> dd bs=1M count=256 if=/dev/zero of=test conv=fdatasync
[18:25] <bekks> gbaker: millions of flies cant be wrong? :)
[18:25] <bekks> every benchmark using /dev/zero for reading will benchmark your CPU-
[18:25] <cncr04s> so what
[18:25] <gbaker> 268435456 bytes (268 MB, 256 MiB) copied, 0.312221 s, 860 MB/s
[18:26] <bindi> taken from https://romanrm.net/dd-benchmark
[18:26] <bekks> Benchmarking your CPU isnt benchmarking your dis.
[18:26] <cncr04s> but I always max my disk speed
[18:26] <gbaker> using bindi's command
[18:27] <bekks> create a file larger than your RAM using dd if=/dev/urandom ... - then benchmark your disk using that file.
[18:27] <cncr04s> creating random data is even worse then 0's
[18:27] <bekks> Yeah, and you arent benchmarking that file creation...
[18:28] <gbaker> Should I use something like double the ram?
[18:28] <bekks> gbaker: No. Just larger than your RAM is sufficient.
[18:28] <cncr04s> I never need to do that
[18:28] <bekks> Because you always benchmarked your RAM.
[18:29] <cncr04s> lol
[18:29] <cncr04s> no
[18:29] <cncr04s> ram speed is 20GBPS
[18:29] <cncr04s> or more
[18:29] <bekks> Did you benchmark that, too? :)
[18:29] <cncr04s> this guy
[18:30] <cncr04s> don't listen to him
[18:30] <bekks> Cool, the old strategy to tell people "dont listen to him" when running out of facts.
[18:30] <cncr04s> whatever file you create it has to end up going through the cpu and ram
[18:30] <cncr04s> so his points suck
[18:30] <gbaker> lol, every site has conflicting info. So I'm used to it :)
[18:31] <bekks> cncr04s: If you have no clue what I am talking about, how do you decide wether my point is wrong? That would be interesting to know
[18:31] <gbaker> I just felt that it seemed slow for 4 x M.2 drives but at the same time not many people are also doing this on a laptop either.
[18:31] <cncr04s> you don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about either
[18:32] <bekks> cncr04s: I do understand what you are talking about, but you are denying facts-
[18:32] <bekks> So there is no point in trusting you.
[18:32] <cncr04s> lol
[18:34] <gbaker> It's ok, I was sent over from #ubuntu because of my setup so it was more confusing over there.
[18:34] <cncr04s> gbaker: your speeds indicate a bottleneck in either your drives speed, but more likley the interface they are using, probably using sata channels.
[18:35] <gbaker> cncr04s: I believe that is the issue, but still seemed a bit slow.
[18:36] <cncr04s> I get around the same speeds with two ssds in raid0, they are sata 6G
[18:37] <gbaker> I first installed using mdadm as I read on several sites that it is the preferred way. But that seemed to reduce speeds.
[18:40] <gbaker> One more quick question... every post I've seen is about a year old or older for Nvidia and mobile gpu's for SLI. Has anyone ever heard if they ever plan on adding support for SLI for mobile gpu's?
[18:40] <cncr04s> what is the seed of one or two
[18:41] <cncr04s> btw using 4 drives in raid0 is just asking for trouble imho
[18:42] <gbaker> Yeah, but I use 5th drive for backup of /home and a few other directories.
[18:42] <gbaker> I did have it in raid 10 for a bit but it was a nightmare getting that set up.\
[18:43] <cncr04s> raid10 is the best
[18:45] <gbaker> Yeah, but I was getting so many issues when I set it up. Kept having issues with having to install Nvidia drivers on live disk before I could start install or it would hang and after I figured that out I ran into several other issues. Took a week to get all of the tweaks I needed to do with getting that set up.
[18:46] <cncr04s> if your booting from it, you would typically set the raid up during installation, any sort of nvidia drivers don't apply to that step, not sure waht you mean
[18:48] <gbaker> On live disk I had to do it from the desktop installer. Using the desktop installer It took me a bit to figure it out but unless I installed nvidia drivers on the live disk and restart xserver then start install it would hang.
[18:50] <gbaker> Like I said. Getting this thing set up was an odd one. It's a laptop so I expected a few issues on getting it running and quite new hardware, but I'm fairly persistent.
[18:51] <cncr04s> mdadm -v --create /dev/md0 --level=raid10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
[18:51] <gbaker> On MSI's forums for this laptop I've only read a few that said that they were trying to install linux and couldn't find anyone that succeded. :)
[18:52] <gbaker> Oh I know how to create raid using mdadm.
[18:52] <cncr04s> your in ubuntu-server so I've never really used it for desktop purposes or with a gfx card
[18:53] <gbaker> I know but reg chan suggested server because of my setup was confusing to them. Not many laptops with 5 SSD drives
[18:54] <gbaker> and most couldn't answer raid questions.
[18:55] <cncr04s> my laptop only has one connector
[18:55] <cncr04s> its not that old lol
[18:55] <gbaker> This thing is a big beast.
[18:56] <gbaker> 18.4 inch screen...
[19:00] <gbaker> Should have seen me take it on a plane... It didn't fit in the x-ray trays. And TSA gave me some odd looks and made me fully boot it up.
[19:00] <cncr04s> my laptop was a waste of $
[19:00] <cncr04s> I never use it
[19:01] <gbaker> I got a MSI-GT80-Titan-2QE and upgraded it quite a bit.
[19:03] <gbaker> Seems a bit much for a laptop but I was spending 75% of my time at my grandmas taking care of her because she is 93 and didn't want to feel like I was stuck on a laptop.
[19:04] <gbaker> I miss my old AIX admin days.
[19:11] <gbaker> Laptops last years for me, it's cellphones that seem to be a waste for my money. I can't get a year out of them before I do something stupid and break them. 2 months is my shortest time before I destroyed one.
[20:30] <cncr04s> I <3 servers, phones don't do server stuff, hold no interest with me.
[20:33] <gbaker> lol. I only use for that emergency call I've been expecting for several years.
[20:35] <gbaker> Last one I broke I had an audience and it was embarrassing. I accidentally drop kicked it across 2 lanes of traffic into a curb.
[20:36] <gbaker> Speaking of servers I picked up 40 nice server fans at a thrift store about a month ago for $5. Un used and boxes still sealed.
[20:37] <cncr04s> what kind of fans
[20:38] <gbaker> gfb1212vhw delta fan
[20:38] <cncr04s> i'll buy all 40 for 10$, a nice 100% profit for you.
[20:39] <gbaker> lol
[20:39] <gbaker> I want to keep a few and sell the rest. The airflow is great and they are fairly quiet.
[20:40] <cncr04s> I didnt think about noise when I got my 2u
[20:40] <cncr04s> the others I have are in server rooms so I don't care, but this one I got in my room
[20:42] <gbaker> Yeah, I usually don't pay attention until I had the old seagate 10k rpk scsi drives, sounded like an airplane taking off :)
[20:43] <gbaker> I kinda miss it but it could get loud
[20:43] <gbaker> *rpm
[20:44] <bekks> Have you ever heard a Oracle M5000 powering up - or a T7? :)
[20:45] <gbaker> I remember the IBM S80's winding up. I miss that.
[20:46] <bekks> The lovely sounds of an entire airport :)
[20:47] <gbaker> Yes :)
[20:48] <gbaker> I joked about that with a coworker when I said it sounded a lot like the M1 Abrams starting up back when I was in the Army.
[20:49] <bekks> Pretty quiet, those Abrams :D
[20:49] <gbaker> lol
[20:51] <gbaker> I really wanted to have one as a everyday driver, but they do eat quite a bit of fuel. But I wouldn't worry if people cut me off.
[20:51] <bekks> you wouldnt even notice :)
[20:53] <gbaker> After seeing a Humvee take more damage than the honda civic it hit on post I felt less secure about military vehicles.
[20:54] <bekks> Well, the Humvee is more like a limousine with camouflage.
[20:55] <gbaker> If that. The way the fan is set up for the radiator if you hit water anything faster than 2 mph the cheap plastic blades would break off.
[20:56] <bekks> Doesnt sound like a Skunkworks invention :P
[20:58] <gbaker> One of my best memories was learning how to use the old punch card programming... in the 90's. Only because they still had some operating.
[21:00] <gbaker> Scariest part was my dad was in some of the training videos, and he was quite a bit older than my mom. (13 years older) It felt like quantum leap.