[00:16] <quantibiliy> alright another issue now, when  Hdmi is connected and i start up, main laptop screen remains blank while the second shows... i don't understand this issue
[06:08] <lucas_ai> I made a simple service and put it in /etc/init/potentialstudio.conf ... why am I getting this error: Failed to start potentialstudio.service: Unit potentialstudio.service not found.
[07:01] <xubuntu71w> hi, just installed xubuntu 16.04.1, use dsl connect to internet and works well, but when I set up pptp vpn and has vpn connection established,  get two problems: 1. (here i am currently in an internet censored country) cencored website such as google, twitter still could not connect, uncensored website could connect.   2.  browser speed slow down appearently.(not vpn service reason, as i tried same one in other os, it works wel
[07:01] <xubuntu71w> thanks in advance.
[07:38] <lucas_ai_> I changed to XFCE and my windows don't have any frame. How do I get them back? Or how do I go back to unity?
[08:42] <choki> hello
[08:42] <choki> anyone already fixed this problem? https://askubuntu.com/questions/786146/text-partially-disappearing-in-many-applications-after-unlocking-on-xubuntu
[08:42] <choki> should i update lightdm?
[11:10] <extinct_potato> could someone help me with menu files?
[11:10] <cfhowlett> !ask
[11:10] <extinct_potato> i created a deb package which added a menu entry, removed the package but meny entry is still there.
[11:11] <extinct_potato> i've already tried to remove it with alacarte or menulibre, but the menu entry doesn't appear to be there.
[11:11] <extinct_potato> yes, i have read freedesktop documentation.
[11:12] <extinct_potato> still have no fucking idea what to do.
[11:15] <knome> extinct_potato, please note that this is a family-friendly channel.
[11:16] <extinct_potato> knome, i'm sorry, didn't knwo.
[11:16] <knome> the main reason why menu entries do not appear in menulibre is that they are invalid
[11:16] <extinct_potato> *know.
[11:16] <extinct_potato> knome, how can I remove them then?
[11:16] <knome> remove them from the file system directly
[11:16] <knome> (and as you said you created a package that installs a menu file, but it didn't get removed when the package was uninstalled, you did something wrong with that too)
[11:17] <knome> and re: family-friendliness, the channel guidelines are posted to all joining users...
[11:18] <extinct_potato> Yeah, you're right knome, it's my fault.
[11:18] <extinct_potato> I removed the file.
[11:18] <extinct_potato> It was in ~/.local/share/applications/
[11:19] <extinct_potato> but could you please tell me why there is such fragmentation when it comes to menu entries?
[11:19] <extinct_potato> there are dozen of directories destined for menu entries.
[11:19] <extinct_potato> both in system dir and in user dir.
[11:20] <knome> there are basically one directory in both.
[11:21] <extinct_potato> you're right with this one.
[11:22] <extinct_potato> so which file does menulibre/alacarte edit in the end?
[11:22] <knome> menulibre edits the menu entries in the user directory
[11:22] <knome> well,
[11:22] <knome> let's start with this:
[11:23] <knome> first, menulibre looks for the system files
[11:23] <knome> and then the user files
[11:23] <knome> they can either add to or overwrite system files
[11:23] <knome> so if a desktop entry for "app-x" doesn't exist in the user files, then the system files are used
[11:24] <knome> when you "edit" the launcher for "app-x" and it only exists as a system file, menulibre essentially creates a new user file that overwrites the system one.
[11:24] <knome> so in essence menulibre only touches the user files, but that can mean the system files are overridden
[11:25] <extinct_potato> so is there any applications that lets me to edit system freedesktop files?
[11:25] <knome> no.
[11:25] <knome> well, at least as far as i know, and there's never a reason to do so.
[11:26] <extinct_potato> okay, thanks for help knome!
[11:26] <knome> np
[11:26] <knome> so why would you want to edit the system files then?
[11:27] <extinct_potato> because some apps have for eg. ugly icon, which I would like to edit system-wide
[11:27] <extinct_potato> for all users.
[11:29] <knome> ummh, unless the icons are hardcoded, that's related to the icon theme, not the desktop files
[11:30] <knome> all desktop files *should* point to icon names only (not with paths)
[11:30] <knome> the system then checks whether an icon of that name exists in the theme you are using, and then it's dependencies one-by-one until it finds one
[11:31] <knome> the application can also install its fallback icon (without having to refer it to with the filename)
[11:32] <knome> but if the packaging/desktop file is done right, icon themes can always override
[11:36] <knome> i guess if you insist on using specific icons, you could create a skel directory that "installs" the desktop files for new users when they are created
[11:36] <knome> though ultimately, they can simply remove these files
[11:37] <knome> as they can change the icon theme, even if you created one that overrode some of the icons
[11:37] <knome> (and that would have the limitation that the users could only use one base theme, unless you created those overriding themes for all icon themes available)
[11:38] <knome> so - i would say - not worth the hassle, if other users think the icons are ugly enough for them, they can create the overriding launchers themself.
[11:45] <extinct_potato> fair enough
[14:43] <Karamel`> Hello
[14:46] <mrkramps> hi
[14:47] <Karamel`> I have xubuntu 15.10 on my laptop and I wish to upgrade to 16.04.1. When I first installed it I made 4 partitions 1-swap 2-/ 3-/home and 4-/mediadrive (for all my media files). Is there a way to install 16.04.1 on my system without loosing all my data/settings/preferences for the other programs that I already installed?
[14:48] <Karamel`> I'm asking about install instead of upgrade because as I understand, it's better to install it from scratch, than to update all libraries by an upgrade.
[14:49] <mrkramps> fresh install requires manual partitioning then
[14:49] <Karamel`> by manual partition you mean the partitions I already made?
[14:50] <mrkramps> yes, you can assign the mountpoint for partition with the installer
[14:51] <Karamel`> and then assign the old mountpoints to be the correlating mountpoints for the new system, right?
[14:51] <mrkramps> exactly
[14:52] <mrkramps> the installer will only recognize the paritions and you have to tell him e.g. to use parition 2 for /home again
[14:52] <mrkramps> make sure partitions will not be formated excpet for /
[14:52] <mrkramps> and that's it
[14:52] <mrkramps> i recommend creating a backup anyways
[14:55] <Karamel`> before I ask about a backup - Can you explain one thing? Because I also thought to use the method that you just stated, but than re-thought about it and said to myself: When I first installed 15.10, the system put files on /home. So probably it will put these files now, again - only new files that will overwrite my old files. How come this method is suppose to work and not re-write on my old preferences' files?
[14:57] <mrkramps> Karamel`, after installation a home folder will be created and populated with default settings at first system start or application start
[14:57] <mrkramps> but only if NO folder exists
[14:57] <mrkramps> make sure to use the same user name
[14:57] <mrkramps> should be no issue than, home is not touched
[14:57] <mrkramps> did it myself multiple time :)
[14:59] <mrkramps> ok, there might be some preferences updated on first start when something's changed
[14:59] <mrkramps> like Xfce 4.10 → 4.12
[15:00] <Karamel`> yeah, because those preferences are probably on / and not /home, right?
[15:01] <Karamel`> But I don't care if I will just have to redefine my wallpaper
[15:03] <mrkramps> user space configuration is all in /home
[15:03] <mrkramps> system wide configuration generally in /etc
[15:03] <Karamel`> oh, ok
[15:03] <Karamel`> Now, is there a simple way to backup? And by backup, you mean also my mediadrive partition which is ntfs?
[15:04] <mrkramps> copy everythin to an external drive
[15:05] <mrkramps> and this is not just a recommendation for system upgrade, but a general recommendation
[15:05] <mrkramps> without backup your data is not save
[15:06] <Karamel`> Is there a good backup program for xubuntu/ubuntu?
[15:08] <mrkramps> phew, personally i just copy ir use rsync
[15:08] <mrkramps> *or
[15:18] <Karamel`> mrkramps, and then after I upgraded, do I need to update wine for example? or other programs that aren't installed by default? Will xubuntu "know" that I need to update wine to a version that corresponds to xubuntu 16.04 and not to 15.10 which was previously installed?
[15:19] <mrkramps> wine is part of the official repository, but i do not know how playonlinux will deal with a system upgrade
[15:20] <mrkramps> all manually installed, self compiled and ppa applications need to be reinstalled
[15:57] <Karamel`> thanks mrkramps!
[16:26] <xubuntu56w> Hey! I'm having a trouble downloading vlc, apt tries to download libproxy deb file from "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libp/libproxy/libproxy-tools_0.4.11-5ubuntu1_i386.deb" and it fails
[16:27] <xubuntu56w> I'm using xubuntu xenial on an i368 cute laptop
[16:33] <mrkramps> xubuntu56w, exact error message?
[16:35] <xubuntu56w> Here you go, "Err:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe i386 libproxy-tools i386 0.4.11-5ubuntu1   400  Bad URI [IP: 91.189.88.162 80] E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libp/libproxy/libproxy-tools_0.4.11-5ubuntu1_i386.deb  400  Bad URI [IP: 91.189.88.162 80]"
[16:39] <mrkramps> xubuntu56w, could you show me the ouput of the command 'locale' in a pastebin, pls
[16:41] <xubuntu56w> http://pastebin.com/JJj4JUxW
[16:43] <mrkramps> ok,red herring
[16:43] <mrkramps> xubuntu56w, have you already tried updating your repository information? sudo apt-get update
[16:44] <xubuntu56w> I have updated it many times, I have also used --fix-missing but with no success
[16:45] <xubuntu56w> I will update it again because why not
[16:45] <mrkramps> weird :\
[16:46] <xubuntu56w> I know :\         I will just use a different audio player
[16:46] <xubuntu56w> Thanks for trying
[16:47] <mrkramps> xubuntu56w, this is blind fire, but try updating your local with:$ sudo locale-gen
[16:48] <xubuntu56w> okay, I'm doing it
[16:49] <Unit193> xubuntu56w: Are you using any proxy?
[16:49] <xubuntu56w> I'm not
[16:50] <Unit193> What happens if you wget that link anyway?
[16:51] <xubuntu56w> that's what I got, "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad URI"
[16:52] <mrkramps> the link is working for me
[16:52] <Unit193> Very strange, that's why I asked if you had a proxy though.
[16:53] <xubuntu56w> I guess it's because of my ip, I will try to use a proxy
[16:53] <xubuntu56w> but I might try to use one to fix this problem because my country's ip adresses sometimes get blocked
[16:55] <Unit193> What happens if you use a local mirror?
[16:55] <xubuntu56w> I haven't tried that
[17:06] <xubuntu56w> I switched to a mirror, updated, tried installing, no hope
[17:07] <xubuntu56w> I have also done "sudo locale-gen" as mrkramps told me
[17:09] <xubuntu56w> I found the solution! all what I had to do is hide my Syrian proxy
[22:03] <m3rcury> sa
[22:10] <mrkramps> wu
[22:10] <bekks> uh
[23:34] <Wayward_Vagabond> After my laptop has gone to sleep, it has glitches till X is restarted, panel doesn't render but can be interacted with via some careful trial and error, and terminal windows don't render either
[23:34] <Wayward_Vagabond> Either empty black, or clear if another window has been drawn
[23:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm on xubuntu 14.04lts
[23:37] <mrkramps> Wayward_Vagabond, lspci -nnk | grep "VGA\|'Kern'\|3D\|Display" -A2 | pastebinit
[23:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> Er, how long of an output would that have? I don't think a shell supports copy-paste :s
[23:39] <mrkramps> just a link
[23:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> Ohh, nice, one second
[23:40] <mrkramps> the numbers would be enough