[00:04] <soee> wtf
[00:04] <soee> what does it mean: Expected token `,'
[00:15] <clivejo> where does it say that?
[00:16] <soee> inside qml custom function when i add this: previousButton.enabled: (slidesList.currentIndex > 0) ? true:false;
[00:20] <soee> rofl inside function i have to use = for assigment not :
[00:23] <soee> wun wun... have it working !
[07:28] <tsimonq2> o/ y'all
[07:50] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ping, I want to get Cantor working but I'm stuck
[09:22] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: stuck how?
[09:22] <tsimonq2> o/ acheronuk 
[09:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: whenever I try to update the install file, I get complaints about missing libraries
[09:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: the bad part is the libraries don't exist and it seems to be hardcoded :(
[09:24] <acheronuk> what missing libraries exactly?
[09:32] <acheronuk> libcantorlibs.so.6 etc?
[09:36] <tsimonq2> yeah
[09:36] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: just libcantorlibs.so.6 I think
[09:36]  * tsimonq2 does it again
[09:37] <acheronuk> well, look at the build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21618686/
 :<
 stuck pixel on my new monitor... shall I send it to service?
[09:39] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I'm aware
[09:41] <acheronuk> well, the .install file is looking for libcantorlibs.so.6 etc to install, but the source build doesn't make that version any more
[09:42] <acheronuk> so you need to install the new versions instead
[09:42] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I tried, they don't exist somehow some way
[09:42] <tsimonq2> but they must be in a different file
[09:43] <acheronuk> is this in your own test build?
[09:44] <tsimonq2> yeah
[09:44] <acheronuk> what source are you using to test?
[09:45] <tsimonq2> kubuntu_unstable but I modified things so hold on
[09:45]  * tsimonq2 pastebins it
[09:46] <acheronuk> no I eman the actual cantor source code, not the kubuntu packaging
[09:46] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21619256/
[09:46] <tsimonq2> I don't know what you're saying then
[09:47] <tsimonq2> here's my git diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21619329/
[09:47] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: that diff is what makes dh_install work
[09:48] <acheronuk> oh
[09:49] <acheronuk> that diff says you removed the old libcantorlibs.so.6 from the . install file, but did not replace it with the new libcantorlibs.so.16..
[09:49] <tsimonq2> let me try that and give you outputs
[09:50] <yofel> moin
[09:51] <tsimonq2> yofel: \o/
[09:51] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[09:51] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: even more the source you are using is still building the old libcantorlibs.so.6
[09:51] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: hwo do I fix that?!?
[09:51] <tsimonq2> *how
[09:52] <acheronuk> so you are not using the same source KCI did!
[09:52] <tsimonq2> why is it doing that? :(
[09:52] <yofel> really tired for some reason even though I only woke up an hour ago... otherwise ok
[09:52] <acheronuk> morning yofel :)
[09:52] <tsimonq2> yofel: great, we're solving the big pita that is cantor :P
[09:52] <tsimonq2> (at least for NOW it's a piuta)
[09:52] <tsimonq2> *pita
[09:53] <acheronuk> where did you take the actual cantor source code from?
[09:53] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: uscan --download-current-version
[09:54] <tsimonq2> cantor-16.04.3.tar.xz
[09:54] <tsimonq2> that's the tar ^
[09:54] <acheronuk> well, that;s not going to work as that will just give you the latest released version
[09:54] <tsimonq2> k
[09:54] <acheronuk> not the upstream git that KCI builds from
[09:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: so where do I get it then?
[09:55] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=cantor&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[09:56] <tsimonq2> oh thanks
[09:56] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/rAJKMXl.png
[09:57] <acheronuk> you can download the orig.tax.xz that KCI used from there
[09:57] <tsimonq2> yep :)
[09:58] <yofel> as you'll also need the changelog entry for it to pick that up, I recommend working on the PPA package locally, then copying your changes to git once you're done
[09:58] <tsimonq2> oh? okay
[09:58] <yofel> there's also 2 easy  ways to download that: a) 'dget -xu <url_to_dsc>', b) use pull-ppa-source from lp:kubuntu-dev-tools
[09:59] <acheronuk> I usually just rename the KCI orig.tar.xz
[09:59] <tsimonq2> yofel: why does the changelog entry need to be changed/
[09:59] <yofel> that works too
[10:00] <tsimonq2> that's what I did (@ acheronuk)
[10:00] <acheronuk> then build the soutce without signing, so I can then throw it at pbuilder
[10:00] <acheronuk> *source
[10:00] <yofel> right, all you need is a matching source and changelog, so either way is fine
[10:00] <acheronuk> yep, just do it that way so I can stay in the git tree and make changes there
[10:01] <tsimonq2> I've been just cloning from source, git checkout kubuntu_unstable, uscan --download-current-version (which I now know doesn't work 100% of the time), and then make changes and build in a special sbuild I set up
[10:02] <tsimonq2> the sbuild is basically just a yakkety sbuild with the KCI PPA enabled
[10:02] <tsimonq2> with apt-cacher-ng and shm builds, it FLIES! :D
[10:03] <acheronuk> if you are fixing the CI builds, you need upstream git source, one way or another
[10:03] <tsimonq2> well it seems now I can just grab it from the PPA
[10:03] <tsimonq2> so does that work?
[10:03] <acheronuk> you can :)
[10:04] <tsimonq2> I have a debiankde: git alias set up when I need it
[10:04] <yofel> hm, how *do* you tell sbuild to build in an shm directory? 
[10:05] <acheronuk> only caveat on that is that it's a snapshot, so if upstream have made new changes since, you won't have them
[10:05] <tsimonq2> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild :P
[10:05] <yofel> thanks
[10:05] <tsimonq2> (there's something I can copy/paste here)
[10:06] <tsimonq2> I never got used to pbuilder
[10:06] <tsimonq2> I just use sbuild
[10:06] <tsimonq2> and hey, that's what PPAs use to, so it works out fine :)
[10:07] <acheronuk> whatever works for you :)
[10:07] <yofel> I have a pbuilder setup that works, but sbuild does a couple things better. So I want to get that to work, but never managed to properly configure it ^^
[10:08] <acheronuk> yofel: the same more or less. I tried it but didn't really get it set up properly
[10:09] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, yofel: hope that page helps! :)
[10:09] <yofel> well, it already does, as I *was* looking for those purge settings
[10:10] <yofel> and Launchpad seems to be in work denial mode o.O
[10:11] <acheronuk> It's having Sunday off
[10:12] <tsimonq2> WOW, this is Cantor's Lintian output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21620897/
[10:12] <acheronuk> oh. 4 hrs to puslish? wtf?
[10:13] <acheronuk> *publish
[10:14] <acheronuk> I don't get the 'hardening-no-bindnow' in pbuilder
[10:16] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/21621129/
[10:17] <tsimonq2> well I have a more verbose Lintian :P
[10:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-cantor/+merge/301586
[10:18] <tsimonq2> \o/
[10:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: so where are you sending the replacement appstream metainfo file then?
 Missing files of course :p
[10:21] <tsimonq2> grr somewhere that got lost
[10:21] <tsimonq2> hold on
[10:21] <tsimonq2> sorry
[10:21] <acheronuk> you may find some extra HTML docs as well? think I did
[10:23] <tsimonq2> wtf? there's no metainfo anything in the build log under "Installing"
[10:24] <tsimonq2> nvm
[10:24] <acheronuk> -- Installing: /build/cantor-16.04.3/debian/tmp/usr/share/metainfo/org.kde.cantor.appdata.xml
[10:24] <acheronuk> no??
[10:24] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I said nvm :P
[10:24] <tsimonq2> lol
 He did say that
[10:25] <acheronuk> I missed that while I was copying & pasting :P
[10:25] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: good call re: your comment on the PR
[10:26] <acheronuk> just comparing with what I have
[10:29] <tsimonq2> yay sun rising! \o/
[10:29] <tsimonq2> :P
 The comment was from allee
[10:30] <tsimonq2> allee?
[10:30] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: why does Cantor still depend on Python 2.7?
[10:30] <tsimonq2> :O
[10:30] <yofel> because it's still a thing? ^^
[10:31]  * tsimonq2 runs
 https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-cantor/+merge/301586/comments/776924
[10:31] <acheronuk> oh, that comment. thought you meant the on here on the channel
 Maybe he did mean that
[10:32] <tsimonq2> oh I wasn't paying *that* much attention
[10:32] <tsimonq2> sorry acheronuk, it was allee :P
[10:33] <acheronuk> Ok. I'm going to have to go. Sunday lunch and watching people drive very fast round a track in Germany :)
[10:33] <tsimonq2> o/
 Is not lunch time yet
[10:34] <acheronuk> It is if you've got to sort it out
[10:34] <acheronuk> .. first
 What you making?
[10:35] <acheronuk> Gammon. In cider & mustard
 Oh nice!
[10:35] <tsimonq2> changes pushed
[10:35] <tsimonq2> \o/
[10:36] <acheronuk> ok. bbl
[10:36] <tsimonq2> thanks alleehol for looking at my PR :)
 Did you run that in sbuild?
[10:37] <tsimonq2> Clifford: you mean my changes?
[10:37] <tsimonq2> if so, yes
 No HTML files need installed?
[10:40] <tsimonq2> Clifford: We don't have a docs package of any kind, so if I did fix that, that's a different PR
[10:40] <tsimonq2> nice catch though :)
[10:40] <tsimonq2> s/of any kind/of any kind for cantor/
[10:42]  * tsimonq2 throws https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-cantor/+merge/301586 at clivejo 
[10:42] <tsimonq2> he was really looking forward to that being fixed :P
[10:42] <acheronuk> there are already docs installing in the main cantor package. you just have extra files
[10:43] <tsimonq2> oh?
[10:43]  * tsimonq2 checks that
[10:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: should I just change all of the lines that have usr/share/doc/HTML/en/cantor/ to a single usr/share/doc/HTML/en/cantor ?
[10:44] <tsimonq2> that would probably fix it
 Maybe wildcard the en
[10:45] <acheronuk> as usual, there are several ways.
 So it will work with other languages
[10:45] <acheronuk> ok. I'm really going now! lol
[10:45] <soee> https://youtu.be/yG6BzvIDQTE
[10:45] <tsimonq2> Clifford: good idea
[10:47] <tsimonq2> soee: did you fix the slideshow? :O
[10:47] <tsimonq2> not bad :D
[10:48] <soee> the main problem is i cant set list item wo inherit width from list view component
[10:48] <soee> *list item width
[10:48] <soee> this looks like a crap atm. but when i finish will be nice :D
[10:48] <tsimonq2> great soee :D
[10:48] <tsimonq2> I'm looking forward to it :)
[10:55] <tsimonq2> there, PR should be good
[11:02] <soee> Woooooooooooooooo !
[11:02] <soee> what my eyes see
[11:02] <clivejo> when I said wildcard the en, I meant usr/share/doc/HTML/*/cantor/
[11:05] <clivejo> tsimonq2: when you make changes do you make a new commit?
[11:28] <acheronuk> go away okteta and take your symbols with you ^^^
[11:28]  * acheronuk goes back to the gammon
[11:29] <tsimonq2> clivejo: yeah why? do you want me to squash them?
[11:29] <tsimonq2> clivejo: and alright
[11:29] <tsimonq2> clivejo: are you Clifford? who's Clifford? :O
[11:29] <clivejo> yes, Clifford is mobile me
[11:30] <tsimonq2> oh cool :D
[11:30] <clivejo> on Telegram
[11:30] <tsimonq2> yeah
[11:30] <clivejo> and the bridge posts my messages here
[11:30] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so what about commits?
[11:30] <tsimonq2> I see :)
[11:31] <clivejo> just wondered if you had tried git commit ammend
[11:31] <clivejo> not sure if it works with personal git repo
[11:31] <tsimonq2> nope, but I can squash them into one commit if you would like
[11:32] <clivejo> Ive pushed it already so no issue
[11:32] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[11:32] <clivejo> just wondered if ammend is possible on private git repo
[11:32] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[11:33] <tsimonq2> clivejo: can you add me to Telegram please? I'm tsimonq2 on there as well
[11:33] <clivejo> I wanted clivejo but someone else registered it :(
[11:33] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/10542071
[11:34] <tsimonq2> \o/
[11:34] <acheronuk> waiting here for family to arrive
[11:34] <clivejo> awww acheronuk, you spoiled the surprise
[11:34] <tsimonq2> I did it! :D
[11:34] <acheronuk> clivejo: sorry ;?
[11:34] <clivejo> its much better seeing it pop up in green!
[11:34] <acheronuk> clivejo: I've never been that patient!
[11:37] <tsimonq2> seems fixing Marble will be hard^Wa lot of fun! :D
[11:41] <clivejo> to fix marble we will need to put down of of the devel
[11:41] <tsimonq2> huh?
[11:41] <clivejo> one of the devel keeps changing stuff
[11:42] <clivejo> acheronuk has fixed it twice now and the devel broke it again!
[11:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: who? /me takes out sword
[11:42] <tsimonq2> :P
[11:42]  * tsimonq2 answers that question himself and looks at git logs
[11:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you talking about a Kubuntu dev or Debian dev?
[11:43] <clivejo> KDE
[11:44] <clivejo> hes been slaughter symbols 
[11:44] <tsimonq2> where's the Git for that? :O
[11:44] <clivejo> quickgi
[11:44]  * tsimonq2 thinks I can answer my own question again
[11:45] <clivejo> https://quickgit.kde.org
[11:45] <tsimonq2> hmm ok
[11:45] <clivejo> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=marble.git&a=commit&h=b5dc725832839986048f64ced12c6491cdb954a1
[11:45] <clivejo> this one broke his fix
[11:46] <tsimonq2> LOL HIS NAME IS DENNIS
[11:47] <tsimonq2> (inside joke)
[11:47] <tsimonq2> clivejo: what do I do about all the #MISSING lines?
[11:47]  * tsimonq2 forgot
[11:48] <clivejo> determine if its safe to remove them
[11:48] <tsimonq2> how do I do that?
[11:48] <clivejo> LOL its hard to know in this case, as the devel has killed so many
[11:49] <tsimonq2> clivejo: how do I determine if it's safe to fix?
[11:49] <tsimonq2> does it have a process or do I kinda need to guess
[11:50] <clivejo> usually if the symbols is marked optional or private its safe to delete
[11:50] <clivejo> or theres been a so bump
[11:50] <tsimonq2> how do I determine if it's any of those?
[11:51] <clivejo> oh handbags 80% off
[11:51] <tsimonq2> hm?
[11:51] <clivejo> we usually look at git commits to see what happened
[11:53] <clivejo> commit message "Only export symbols from the libraries that should be exported "
[11:53] <clivejo> that suggests to me that the symbols that are not missing shouldnt have been exported
[11:53] <clivejo> and would be safe to remove
[11:53] <clivejo> but Im not sure on that
[11:54] <clivejo> KDE devels throw some curve balls when it comes to symbols and Debian is very strict
[11:56] <tsimonq2> clivejo: would you be willing to walk me through this particular case or do you want to look at it?
[11:56] <clivejo> actually need yofel's input on it
[11:57] <tsimonq2> yofel?
[11:57] <clivejo> under my current knowledge, such a large removal of symbols would need a so bump
[11:57] <tsimonq2> yeah
[11:58] <acheronuk> I left it as I was pondering...
[11:59] <acheronuk> If my niece and nephew don't hurry up, I'm going to start on the Sunday roast without them
[12:00]  * clivejo wonders how you hide IMAP folders in Trojitá
[12:06] <tsimonq2> wth?
[12:06] <tsimonq2>   Could not find a configuration file for package "Qt5" that is compatible
[12:06] <tsimonq2>   with requested version "5.7.0".
[12:06] <tsimonq2>   The following configuration files were considered but not accepted:
[12:06] <tsimonq2>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5/Qt5Config.cmake, version: 5.6.1
[12:07] <tsimonq2> that's for minuet
 Yup
 Needs Qt5.7
 So its not getting released;
[12:25] <tsimonq2> alright, so we can leave it?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:28] <tsimonq2> o/ BluesKaj 
[12:33] <BluesKaj> hi tsimonq2
[12:36] <tsimonq2> BluesKaj: how are you?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> tsimonq2, fine here, having kwin problems on yakkety and xenial , crashing...how about you ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> thinking of reinstalling trusty 14.04 just for stability ...tired of these problems, can't watch a movie all the way thru without crashes or freezes 
[12:45] <BluesKaj> on xenial
[12:47] <BluesKaj> maybe I should connect my outboard media drive to the rpi3 and use that for media
[12:56] <BluesKaj> BBL... other things to do 
[12:58] <ahoneybun> mmm I'm not getting that many crashes
[13:01] <yofel> crashes in what?
[13:02]  * yofel wonders if cherry picking qt 5.7 builds from neon would make sense
[13:02] <ahoneybun> blueskaj said they are getting crashes in xenial and yakkety
[13:02] <yofel> just for the ci
[13:03] <yofel> oh, I missed that he left
[13:03] <ahoneybun> yea
[13:03] <yofel> still, I run xenial, and it's ~mostly stable
[13:03] <ahoneybun> it's alright for the most part
[13:03] <ahoneybun> only when dealing with dual monitors and opengl sometime
[13:03] <ahoneybun> s
[13:04] <yofel> dual monitor hotplug that is, static dual on my desktop runs fine
[13:04] <yofel> same at work
[13:04] <ahoneybun> it could be better
[13:04] <yofel> hotplug could, certainly
[13:29] <clivejo> Im running Yakkety and its stable
 You have changes then the official does not
[13:45] <tsimonq2> I'm also running Yakkety and BOTH staging PPAs
[13:45] <tsimonq2> works totally fine
[13:45] <ahoneybun> that's what I'm saying
[13:45] <ahoneybun> ppa's
[13:45] <ahoneybun> normal yakkety is broken when upgrading
[13:45] <tsimonq2> well I upgraded the day 16.04 came out :P
[13:46] <ahoneybun> now it is broken for Kubuntu anyway
[13:46]  * clivejo doesnt do normal Yakkety
[13:47] <tsimonq2> clivejo: how so?
[13:48] <clivejo> Ive all the new stuff on  it
[13:48] <clivejo> from staging PPA's
[13:50] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so you enabled the PPAs like me?
[13:53] <clivejo> when Im reasonablely sure they are working!
[13:53] <tsimonq2> but the point is, you enabled the PPAs?
[13:55] <clivejo> yes
[13:55] <tsimonq2> oh okay :)
[13:55] <tsimonq2> yeah they work on my end lol
 how nice
[14:08] <clivejo> I sense sarcasm!
[14:08] <ahoneybun> you do
[14:28] <tsimonq2> I'm going to sleep, bai o/
[14:29] <clivejo> do you sleep during the day?
[14:30] <tsimonq2> yeah
[14:30] <tsimonq2> I'm a night ow;
[14:30] <tsimonq2> *owl
[14:30] <tsimonq2> so 9:30 AM, time for bed until like 5 PM :P
[14:30] <tsimonq2> o/
[14:34] <clivejo> eakk
 He's a night owl till school starts back
[14:41] <blaze> Yep, external monitor hotplug is a mess.
[14:42] <blaze> Makes me wonder if KDE guys ever used this feature before.
[14:43] <blaze> Or maybe... they're running XFCE :)
[15:56] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: on YY most of FW 24 and plasma 5.7.2 is there but in proposed, and app/translations still need to upload. when that's done I think it should unbreak the YY upgrade without ppas
[15:56] <acheronuk> but it's very WIP at the moment
 Yea but we need a MOTU from what I hear
[16:50] <acheronuk> possibly. a YY upgrade with the ppas pre-enabled worked quite nicely here the other day, so will hopefully be good when everything lands and migrates
[16:52] <clivejo> acheronuk: did you ever try building Qt5.7 from Neon's packaging?
 But ppas get disabled during the upgrade process
[16:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. not yet. suppose I could if there is a semi-good reason
[16:55] <clivejo> for the craic!
[16:56] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: shoudl have said. I dis that the old fashioned way of swapping to YY sources and dist-upgrade. as I knew I would have issues if not. plus wnated to test what it would be like when all the stuff in the ppas made it to the archive
 Mm
[16:57] <acheronuk> clivejo: that is Irish for 'for the hell of it'?
[16:58] <clivejo> yeah
[16:59] <acheronuk> as much as I enjoy doing this, Qt 5.7 is probably a little way down on my 'for the craic' list. :P
[17:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: if you think it beneficial to do this soon, then I'll gladly have a go
[17:21] <blaze> acheronuk: is there a way to do an upgrade without ppas being disabled?
 I'm guessing you could odo the upgrade, enable the ppas back, then do a full-upgrade
[17:25] <acheronuk> blaze: I disabled ones I wasn't sure of. changed the sources.list and PPA deb lines to YY for what I had left. and added the YY staging PPAs I wanted
[17:26] <acheronuk> blaze: then simply did 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[17:27] <acheronuk> old school way to to upgrade, and depends on you knowing and being careful on what you leave enabled and add as sources
[17:28] <blaze> yep, that's pretty oldschool
[17:30] <acheronuk> blaze: no probs so far
[17:37] <blaze> can be potentially disastrous in case of epochs removal
[17:45] <acheronuk> you do need to inspect v carefully what the upgrade proposes to do
[19:38] <soee_> uhm, this is some extra work for us http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-1610-Closer-Systemd ?
[21:32] <acheronuk> Looks hopeful https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtwebengine.git/
[21:40] <clivejo> indeed