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beekeeper | hm, my document viewer app seems to have disappeared. When i try install again from app store, it dl's but doesn't appear in apps | 09:53 |
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beekeeper | any ideas anyone? | 09:54 |
Mirv | mardy: could you check at least how serious bug #1608822 seems? the log is so verbose I'm not sure what to spot from there. we aim to have Qt 5.6 on xenial-overlay so bugs like this should get fixed before we move - but I did check this is new with 5.6, does not happen with 5.5. (even though signon itself hasn't been rebuilt since November) | 10:37 |
ubot5 | bug 1608822 in signon (Ubuntu) "signon fails tests on Qt 5.6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608822 | 10:37 |
mardy | Mirv: sure, looking | 10:44 |
Mirv | thank you! | 10:51 |
mardy | DanChapman: ping | 11:27 |
mardy | Mirv: I could reproduce the failure with the silo 24, investigating now... | 11:39 |
Mirv | ok | 12:05 |
northman | hi ppl :) I got a question. how do I edit the /etc/environment file? I remounted / as rw but it's still readonly when i try to edit. I want to add http_proxy settings as per instructions I found, did something change with the /etc/environment file? | 12:05 |
mardy | Mirv: I'm afraid it's a bug in QtDBus | 12:19 |
Mirv | mardy: oh, can you file upstream bug if that's the case? | 12:27 |
mardy | Mirv: yep, in progress | 12:28 |
Mirv | excellent | 12:28 |
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aquiles | I update to ota 12 but on screen keyboard don't work in libertine | 13:58 |
aquiles | How to putting work ??? | 13:58 |
pmcgowan | aquiles, it should just work as long as no hardware keyboard is connected | 14:03 |
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gerlowskija | pmcgowan, Hi Pat. Can you ping me when you get a few minutes to chat this morning/afternoon. I wanted to offer to do some legwork in verifying your proposed fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1532899, but I could use a little direction/sanity-checking. No rush getting back to me; should be around awhile. | 14:17 |
ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1532899 in Canonical System Image "Group chat sometimes misses messages with Unknown Number Message not found" [High,In progress] | 14:17 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, hey, bad news there is I recently had the same issue occur with the updated nuntium so I fear the issue is elsewhere | 14:18 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, what carrier are you using when you see the issue | 14:18 |
gerlowskija | I'm on AT&T, in the U.S. (not sure if that matters for your question) | 14:19 |
gerlowskija | That's a downer that you're still seeing the issue as well. I was hoping I'd just re-installed nuntium incorrectly. | 14:21 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, need to test a bit more as I was running into a secondary issue but seems not fixed | 14:22 |
pmcgowan | interested if this is only a US thing or europe as well | 14:23 |
pmcgowan | but I suspect its anywhere using mms | 14:23 |
gerlowskija | Yeah, good question/point. I'll try poking around the code a bit to see if anything stands out. | 14:27 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, my current theory is its something with the network connection and perhaps not nuntium at all but just guessing at this point | 14:28 |
pmcgowan | sicne the download fails with a coule different network errors | 14:28 |
gerlowskija | I saw some talk about that on the bug, and that makes sense to me. | 14:30 |
gerlowskija | I'll be taking a look this evening at some point. If there's anything you'd like me to try, or anything I can help with, just let me know. | 14:31 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, great thanks | 14:31 |
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PaulePanter | Hi. Has there anything changed about the availability of a current Ubuntu phone (similar Meizu 5 Pro)? | 15:57 |
PaulePanter | That means, is there a good phone I can get in Germany? | 15:57 |
popey | PaulePanter: none available currently | 16:02 |
PaulePanter | I need a phone soon. Any suggestions? | 16:03 |
PaulePanter | On what devices does Ubuntu Touch run, that means, can be installed without a lot of hassle? | 16:04 |
popey | PaulePanter: I hear some have successfully installed it on an android meizu pro 5 | 16:11 |
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PaulePanter | popey: Ok, that’s good to know. On the other hand, it’s not so good, that Meizu doesn’t see that I actually wanted the Ubuntu Touch device. | 16:18 |
popey | PaulePanter: feel free to let them know that :) | 16:22 |
tsimonq2 | argh, so I'm trying to part my Note 2 to Ubuntu Touch | 16:44 |
tsimonq2 | Cyanogen Mod has nice instructions, but the Ubuntu Touch porting instructions are vague and confusing | 16:45 |
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tsimonq2 | the building instructions uses breakfast but the Ubuntu Touch instructions use lunch :/ | 16:47 |
tsimonq2 | here's the specific device: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/T0lte_Info | 16:48 |
tsimonq2 | I can't wait to contribut to the whole world of Ubuntu Touch once I've got this thing handled :/ | 16:50 |
tsimonq2 | *contribute | 16:50 |
popey | mariogrip: is your documentation going to be online any time soon? | 16:51 |
mariogrip | popey: Yeah, I will also merge it with the ubuntu "new" offical ubuntu one soon that will much better than what i have wrote | 16:52 |
tsimonq2 | I've been using this phone as an undersized tablet with Android 4.4, so it will be nice to finally get something more modern on here :) | 16:53 |
mariogrip | popey: I will try to get it ready until tomarrow (was sick last week, didn't got much done then) | 16:54 |
tsimonq2 | mariogrip: any chance you can lend me a hand? ;) | 16:56 |
mariogrip | tsimonq2: yeah sure :) | 16:56 |
mariogrip | tsimonq2: also, take a look https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source that will give you an idea how to build it | 16:57 |
tsimonq2 | so I'm at the point where it's downloading the Android bits, the thing that's supposed to take a few hours :) | 16:57 |
tsimonq2 | oh cool, thanks | 16:57 |
tsimonq2 | mariogrip: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found | 16:59 |
mariogrip | tsimonq2: that's fine, that's because we uses github and it does not have the "curl" function | 17:00 |
tsimonq2 | alright | 17:00 |
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tsimonq2 | a loooooot of 404s | 17:02 |
brunch875 | Now that we have libertine... would pidgin work if I installed it? | 17:14 |
zequence | I'm sure it has been asked before, but does anyone know why none of the purchasable ubuntu phones are available at the moment? | 17:17 |
zequence | I was looking for an alternative, which has dual SIM. The only one I can find right now is Fairphone, which is not fully supported yet. | 17:19 |
brunch875 | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5 | 17:21 |
brunch875 | it seems available to me | 17:22 |
dobey | brunch875: you can install pidgin in libertine, but it will only really "work" while it's focused | 17:22 |
brunch875 | dobey, but it'll work while focused? | 17:22 |
brunch875 | nice!! | 17:22 |
dobey | well, assuming it doesn't do anything horrible that confinement would prevent | 17:23 |
zequence | brunch875: Oh, thanks. The Ubuntu page still says it is "Sold Out". And, the BQ site didn't have it either a couple of weeks ago, when I last checked | 17:23 |
brunch875 | that's good news then, zequence ☺ | 17:24 |
zequence | brunch875: It is. I was offered an iPhone at my work just now, and I would really have to keep two phones in my pocket. So, it was either this, Fairphone, or something with Android that has dual SIM | 17:25 |
zequence | I mean, I would really not like to have two phones in my pocket. | 17:25 |
brunch875 | aye, that would be annoying | 17:26 |
brunch875 | it would be really irksome if they asked me to use whatsapp at work | 17:27 |
brunch875 | On the other hand, if pidgin works then so should purple-whatsapp :D | 17:27 |
saavento | hi | 17:29 |
mhall119 | pmcgowan: gerlowskija: I have had the same issue with SMS, and I'm also on AT&T, has this been reproduced on any other carrier? | 17:29 |
saavento | Anyone has tried installing any game from XApps repositories onto Libertine and working? | 17:30 |
saavento | I've tried several but fail to load. | 17:31 |
brunch875 | saavento: yes! My old time favorite named powder | 17:31 |
pmcgowan | mhall119, pretty sure there are some reports from europe and tmobile | 17:31 |
saavento | oks brunch875 I will try it! | 17:32 |
gerlowskija | Though it is interesting that the 3 people who mentioned their carrier on the bug report all had AT&T. I'll do some googling and see if I can find anyone complaining about it not working on a different carrier. | 17:34 |
brunch875 | well crap, I found an ugly bug | 17:35 |
pmcgowan | bfiller, didnt we see mms bug on multiple carriers | 17:36 |
dobey | brunch875: aren't they all? | 17:36 |
brunch875 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/ | 17:36 |
saavento | brunch875: It works! :D | 17:36 |
brunch875 | I rm -rf .cache/ like yesterday | 17:36 |
brunch875 | the plot thickens | 17:36 |
brunch875 | saavento: I was really hooked to that game back in the day | 17:37 |
brunch875 | and it should be touch-friendly | 17:37 |
brunch875 | does the libertine-container install itself in .cache? | 17:38 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: ^^ 13:35 < brunch875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/ | 17:38 |
dobey | brunch875: i would hope not | 17:38 |
dobey | brunch875: i think it would be under .local/share/libertine/ | 17:38 |
brunch875 | I deleted .cache because of supersticions | 17:38 |
bfiller | pmcgowan, yes | 17:38 |
bfiller | pmcgowan, kenvandine had the issue on tmobile | 17:39 |
bfiller | lots of missed messages | 17:39 |
brunch875 | More info: I created it with: | 17:41 |
brunch875 | libertine-container-manager create --id brunchtainer --name "Brunched container" --distro vivid --type chroot | 17:41 |
brunch875 | I kind of copy-and-pasted from omgubuntu.co.uk | 17:42 |
brunch875 | apparently the --distro option shouldn't be used | 17:42 |
saavento | brunch875: Can imagine, I was just checking it and is tempting | 17:42 |
saavento | :D | 17:42 |
brunch875 | but anything I installed worked flawlessly | 17:42 |
brunch875 | including firefox, libreoffice and transmission | 17:43 |
saavento | thats a good one, transmission | 17:43 |
brunch875 | saavento: and another one would be pidgin, since you can access google talk / skype / facebook chat / telegram / whatsapp etc etc from there | 17:46 |
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brunch875 | and IRC, of course! | 17:46 |
brunch875 | I'm just curious whether the plugins would work or not | 17:46 |
saavento | yes that's a good question | 17:47 |
brunch875 | but I really like where this is going | 17:50 |
saavento | few months ago was different | 17:51 |
saavento | when i tried copy paste from browser to libre office and did'nt work | 17:52 |
saavento | was bff | 17:52 |
gerlowskija | mhall119, pmcgowan There's this MMS bug, which is specifically targeted at US, TMobile customers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1360403 It's marked as fixed. | 17:52 |
ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1360403 in ofono (Ubuntu) "MMS does not work with T-Mobile US" [High,Fix released] | 17:52 |
saavento | but now things are going ok | 17:52 |
pmcgowan | gerlowskija, yes I think thats correct, it wasnt working at all due to IPv6 or something | 17:53 |
brunch875 | saavento: I still remember back when you couldn't effectively select text from the browser. So if there was a non-link link you'd have to type it by hand | 17:53 |
saavento | :D | 17:53 |
saavento | yes was harsh | 17:53 |
saavento | but look me now cheking transmission o an ubuntu tablet | 17:54 |
saavento | amazing | 17:54 |
brunch875 | yeah kudos on the udevs | 17:54 |
saavento | yes kudos | 17:55 |
saavento | and other thing important is firefox with the same ad block that i use on the desktop | 17:56 |
saavento | this is getting really good | 17:56 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: brunch875: Yes, libertine containers install in ~/.cache/libertine-container | 17:57 |
brunch875 | whoops | 17:57 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: eww :( | 17:57 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: that is very bad | 17:58 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: Why? But I blame tedg since he set up the locations. | 17:58 |
brunch875 | any tips on deleting the brunchtainer now that I wiped it? :P | 17:58 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: because ~/.cache/ is just what it says it is. cache. a temporary location. libertine containers aren't something you can just rm -rf at will | 17:58 |
brunch875 | (which is something I do as a hobby) | 17:59 |
brunch875 | haha | 17:59 |
dobey | well, they are if you know what you're doing, but deleting cache shouldn't result in all your apps no longer working and all your data lost | 17:59 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: Well, it's not like it gets wiped after every reboot. I think tedg's idea was that many backup programs don't back up .cache as we don't want to back up the containers themselves. | 18:00 |
ChrisTownsend | brunch875: You can manually edit ~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json. | 18:00 |
brunch875 | Thanks! | 18:00 |
dobey | well, then they need to be excluded from backup | 18:01 |
dobey | but that is a horrible reason to shove the container in .cache | 18:01 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: I'll let tedg speak for the reasons then:) | 18:01 |
dobey | not that we even have any backup solutions on the phone yet anyway | 18:01 |
dobey | and the one we're building doesn't work that way | 18:01 |
tedg | dobey: Yes, they're machine generated files, not user generated. | 18:01 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: Phone is not the only place we use this. | 18:01 |
dobey | tedg: what does that even mean? | 18:01 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: well sure. s/phone/unity8/ | 18:02 |
tedg | dobey: So they need different management. It is totally possible to recreate them if needed. | 18:02 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: I was being a smart alec:) | 18:02 |
tedg | It is a cache, because it's a local download of them. But if you wanted you could rebuild it on every execution. | 18:02 |
dobey | it is not a cache | 18:03 |
tedg | It is a cache | 18:03 |
* dobey adds a thing to rm -rf tedg's /usr/bin/ to something on every boot | 18:03 | |
tedg | I've actually looked at the idea of rebuilding from debs on boot. Takes a while though. | 18:04 |
tedg | Would be nice if libertine detected the cache getting deleted and rebuilt it. | 18:05 |
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dobey | no, it would be nice if the chroot wasn't in the cache dir | 18:07 |
dobey | everything in the chroot is not magically recoverable from nowhere | 18:07 |
tedg | If it's not, you're using libertine in an unsupported way. | 18:08 |
ChrisTownsend | What "things" just go in and wipe ~/.cache? | 18:09 |
brunch875 | <--- | 18:09 |
dobey | tedg: no, *you're* using libertine in an unsupported way | 18:10 |
ChrisTownsend | Well, a user can wipe any directory, so I don't that is a valid use case. | 18:10 |
dobey | or you're just saying libertine is unsupported in any way that is actually useful for users | 18:11 |
dobey | so we should just remove libertine from the archive and throw it away then | 18:11 |
brunch875 | I tend to wipe cache to "clean" applications. They sometimes are left in an inconsistent state | 18:11 |
dobey | because last i checked, have bookmarks in firefox wasn't "unsupported" | 18:12 |
tedg | dobey: All of your home directory isn't in .cache, it is bind mounted in. | 18:12 |
tedg | dobey: The only things in .cache are the deb installed stuff. | 18:12 |
tedg | dobey: Check out ~/.local/share/libertine* | 18:12 |
dobey | and regardless, it's still not something that should be in .cache, because rebuilding it means destroying the flash | 18:13 |
ChrisTownsend | Again, besides a user, what would wipe out .cache? | 18:14 |
brunch875 | the OS to free up space, no? | 18:14 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: anything. because .cache is exactly what it says, so anything may make the assumption that .cache is only temporary data and it's safe to blow it away | 18:15 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: and even if only a user ever does so, they shouldn't have to know that "oh, actually, i can't do that because it's not really cache" | 18:16 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: That would be a bad policy to have "anything" wipe out .cache since you may have other applications open using things in .cache. | 18:16 |
dobey | one shouldn't be forced to lose 6 months worth of flash lifespan, simply because they decided to delete their cache | 18:16 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: LXC stores it's images in .cache. | 18:17 |
dobey | lxc stores what images in .cache? | 18:17 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: rootfs images you download using the downloads template. | 18:19 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: but it's not where the actual rootfs is stored | 18:19 |
dobey | i can sudo rm -rf /var/cache/lxc and lxc will still work just fine, and not have to download new stuff | 18:19 |
dobey | also, "other thing does bad things" is not a good reason to also do bad things :) | 18:20 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: Well, no, but I have a ton of stuff in .cache, so I think it would be dangerous for "anything" to go in and completely wipe out .cache. I know of no such thing that does that besides a user. | 18:20 |
dobey | ChrisTownsend: it doesn't matter if such a thing exists or not. the point is that software shouldn't be dependent on .cache not being wiped out | 18:21 |
ChrisTownsend | dobey: But meh, this is how it's architected. You can enter a bug report if you please and we (Libertine team) can discuss it. | 18:21 |
dobey | if it was only a couple of small files, then whatever. but it's literally a hundred thousand plus files getting deleted, just for libertine, and then all those files have to be replaced to restore. that is a huge toll on flash which only has a life of so many writes. | 18:24 |
dobey | and even if the "home dir" stuff is bind mounted, you still lose the data if you end up rm -rf ing .cache with the dirs mounted | 18:24 |
dobey | rm dgaf about how things are mounted | 18:25 |
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SIN299 | Hello | 18:45 |
SIN299 | Anyone here M | 18:45 |
SIN299 | ? | 18:45 |
dobey | well that was a pointless question | 18:53 |
davmor2 | dobey: not true it made him leave | 19:39 |
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frankg | Hello, i have no cellular data 3G anymore after ota-12 update | 19:45 |
frankg | I am using meizu mx4 and in mobile settings i cannot toggle cellular date switch | 19:46 |
frankg | Anybody here? | 19:49 |
mhall119 | frankg: is is stuck on or off? | 19:55 |
frankg | Anybody here? | 20:05 |
Walex | frankg: you! | 20:05 |
zequence | brunch875: I did get the BQ E5. It has dropped in price, and does seem to be the only available phone out there right now. | 20:06 |
Walex | I recently got a second BQ 4.5 | 20:06 |
zequence | So, thanks again. I would never have checked otherwise. | 20:06 |
frankg | Ah, ok so what about you, could you possibly help me out with a problem I have regarding ota-12 updat | 20:06 |
zequence | I had an E4.5, but lost it | 20:06 |
dobey | frankg: hard to help if you keep quitting like that :) | 20:08 |
dobey | frankg: 15:53 < mhall119> frankg: is is stuck on or off? | 20:08 |
frankg | No never use this so thought with refreshing the internetsite i thought i refresh the chat.....was logged out everytime....i stay here where i am now | 20:09 |
frankg | I have no cellular data anymore.. | 20:10 |
frankg | So no 3G, called my provider as well but from there side everything is in the green | 20:10 |
frankg | Did a reset of apn data as well | 20:11 |
dobey | frankg: you said you can't toggle the cellular data switch. is it stuck off, or stuck on? | 20:12 |
dobey | frankg: does network status show in the top panel at all? | 20:12 |
frankg | Disabled off | 20:12 |
frankg | As well the dataroaming | 20:13 |
frankg | Network status is an empty symbol.normally for wifi | 20:13 |
dobey | frankg: does restarting the phone not help at all? | 20:14 |
frankg | No | 20:14 |
frankg | Changing to 2g and back either... | 20:14 |
dobey | does 2g work? | 20:14 |
frankg | No | 20:15 |
frankg | Just what should be shown in apn settings for internet? | 20:15 |
dobey | depends on your provider | 20:16 |
frankg | Any provider numbers or ip adresses | 20:16 |
dobey | but i don't think your issue is common. if it was working before the update then the problem was almost certainly not the apn settings | 20:16 |
dobey | what timezone are you in? | 20:16 |
frankg | UTC +2 central europe | 20:17 |
frankg | I did my update abroad with a local wifi network | 20:18 |
frankg | So far i have posted this issue at several forums with no reply at all.... | 20:19 |
dobey | ok. i think it might be best if you come back tomorrow during standard EU hours. the person who worked on that will be around then and may be able to help | 20:19 |
dobey | he's on +2 time too i think | 20:19 |
frankg | Ok will do that....tnx | 20:19 |
dobey | unfortunately i can't provide much help with this :) | 20:20 |
frankg | No worries | 20:20 |
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Suhanko | hello, everybody | 23:57 |
Suhanko | I'm trying to connect via ssh, but I can't do it | 23:58 |
Suhanko | ok, solved. tks! | 23:58 |
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