[09:53] <beekeeper> hm, my document viewer app seems to have disappeared.  When i try install again from app store, it dl's but doesn't appear in apps
[09:54] <beekeeper> any ideas anyone?
[10:37] <Mirv> mardy: could you check at least how serious bug #1608822 seems? the log is so verbose I'm not sure what to spot from there. we aim to have Qt 5.6 on xenial-overlay so bugs like this should get fixed before we move - but I did check this is new with 5.6, does not happen with 5.5. (even though signon itself hasn't been rebuilt since November)
[10:44] <mardy> Mirv: sure, looking
[10:51] <Mirv> thank you!
[11:27] <mardy> DanChapman: ping
[11:39] <mardy> Mirv: I could reproduce the failure with the silo 24, investigating now...
[12:05] <Mirv> ok
[12:05] <northman> hi ppl :) I got a question. how do I edit the /etc/environment file? I remounted / as rw but it's still readonly when i try to edit. I want to add http_proxy settings as per instructions I found, did something change with the /etc/environment file?
[12:19] <mardy> Mirv: I'm afraid it's a bug in QtDBus
[12:27] <Mirv> mardy: oh, can you file upstream bug if that's the case?
[12:28] <mardy> Mirv: yep, in progress
[12:28] <Mirv> excellent
[13:58] <aquiles> I update to ota 12 but on screen keyboard don't work in libertine
[13:58] <aquiles> How to putting work ???
[14:03] <pmcgowan> aquiles, it should just work as long as no hardware keyboard is connected
[14:17] <gerlowskija> pmcgowan, Hi Pat.  Can you ping me when you get a few minutes to chat this morning/afternoon.  I wanted to offer to do some legwork in verifying your proposed fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1532899, but I could use a little direction/sanity-checking.  No rush getting back to me; should be around awhile.
[14:18] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, hey, bad news there is I recently had the same issue occur with the updated nuntium so I fear the issue is elsewhere
[14:18] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, what carrier are you using when you see the issue
[14:19] <gerlowskija> I'm on AT&T, in the U.S. (not sure if that matters for your question)
[14:21] <gerlowskija> That's a downer that you're still seeing the issue as well.  I was hoping I'd just re-installed nuntium incorrectly.
[14:22] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, need to test a bit more as I was running into a secondary issue but seems not fixed
[14:23] <pmcgowan> interested if this is only a US thing or europe as well
[14:23] <pmcgowan> but I suspect its anywhere using mms
[14:27] <gerlowskija> Yeah, good question/point.  I'll try poking around the code a bit to see if anything stands out.
[14:28] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, my current theory is its something with the network connection and perhaps not nuntium at all but just guessing at this point
[14:28] <pmcgowan> sicne the download fails with a coule different network errors
[14:30] <gerlowskija> I saw some talk about that on the bug, and that makes sense to me.
[14:31] <gerlowskija> I'll be taking a look this evening at some point.  If there's anything you'd like me to try, or anything I can help with, just let me know.
[14:31] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, great thanks
[15:57] <PaulePanter> Hi. Has there anything changed about the availability of a current Ubuntu phone (similar Meizu 5 Pro)?
[15:57] <PaulePanter> That means, is there a good phone I can get in Germany?
[16:02] <popey> PaulePanter: none available currently
[16:03] <PaulePanter> I need a phone soon. Any suggestions?
[16:04] <PaulePanter> On what devices does Ubuntu Touch run, that means, can be installed without a lot of hassle?
[16:11] <popey> PaulePanter: I hear some have successfully installed it on an android meizu pro 5
[16:18] <PaulePanter> popey: Ok, that’s good to know. On the other hand, it’s not so good, that Meizu doesn’t see that I actually wanted the Ubuntu Touch device.
[16:22] <popey> PaulePanter: feel free to let them know that :)
[16:44] <tsimonq2> argh, so I'm trying to part my Note 2 to Ubuntu Touch
[16:45] <tsimonq2> Cyanogen Mod has nice instructions, but the Ubuntu Touch porting instructions are vague and confusing
[16:47] <tsimonq2> the building instructions uses breakfast but the Ubuntu Touch instructions use lunch :/
[16:48] <tsimonq2> here's the specific device: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/T0lte_Info
[16:50] <tsimonq2> I can't wait to contribut to the whole world of Ubuntu Touch once I've got this thing handled :/
[16:50] <tsimonq2> *contribute
[16:51] <popey> mariogrip: is your documentation going to be online any time soon?
[16:52] <mariogrip> popey: Yeah, I will also merge it with the ubuntu "new" offical ubuntu one soon that will much better than what i have wrote
[16:53] <tsimonq2> I've been using this phone as an undersized tablet with Android 4.4, so it will be nice to finally get something more modern on here :)
[16:54] <mariogrip> popey: I will try to get it ready until tomarrow (was sick last week, didn't got much done then)
[16:56] <tsimonq2> mariogrip: any chance you can lend me a hand? ;)
[16:56] <mariogrip> tsimonq2: yeah sure :)
[16:57] <mariogrip> tsimonq2: also, take a look https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source that will give you an idea how to build it
[16:57] <tsimonq2> so I'm at the point where it's downloading the Android bits, the thing that's supposed to take a few hours :)
[16:57] <tsimonq2> oh cool, thanks
[16:59] <tsimonq2> mariogrip: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found
[17:00] <mariogrip> tsimonq2: that's fine, that's because we uses github and it does not have the "curl" function
[17:00] <tsimonq2> alright
[17:02] <tsimonq2> a loooooot of 404s
[17:14] <brunch875> Now that we have libertine... would pidgin work if I installed it?
[17:17] <zequence> I'm sure it has been asked before, but does anyone know why none of the purchasable ubuntu phones are available at the moment?
[17:19] <zequence> I was looking for an alternative, which has dual SIM. The only one I can find right now is Fairphone, which is not fully supported yet.
[17:21] <brunch875> https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5
[17:22] <brunch875> it seems available to me
[17:22] <dobey> brunch875: you can install pidgin in libertine, but it will only really "work" while it's focused
[17:22] <brunch875> dobey, but it'll work while focused?
[17:22] <brunch875> nice!!
[17:23] <dobey> well, assuming it doesn't do anything horrible that confinement would prevent
[17:23] <zequence> brunch875: Oh, thanks. The Ubuntu page still says it is "Sold Out". And, the BQ site didn't have it either a couple of weeks ago, when I last checked
[17:24] <brunch875> that's good news then, zequence ☺
[17:25] <zequence> brunch875: It is. I was offered an iPhone at my work just now, and I would really have to keep two phones in my pocket. So, it was either this, Fairphone, or something with Android that has dual SIM
[17:25] <zequence> I mean, I would really not like to have two phones in my pocket.
[17:26] <brunch875> aye, that would be annoying
[17:27] <brunch875> it would be really irksome if they asked me to use whatsapp at work
[17:27] <brunch875> On the other hand, if pidgin works then so should purple-whatsapp :D
[17:29] <saavento> hi
[17:29] <mhall119> pmcgowan: gerlowskija: I have had the same issue with SMS, and I'm also on AT&T, has this been reproduced on any other carrier?
[17:30] <saavento> Anyone has tried installing any game from XApps repositories onto Libertine and working?
[17:31] <saavento> I've tried several but fail to load.
[17:31] <brunch875> saavento: yes! My old time favorite named powder
[17:31] <pmcgowan> mhall119, pretty sure there are some reports from europe and tmobile
[17:32] <saavento> oks brunch875 I will try it!
[17:34] <gerlowskija> Though it is interesting that the 3 people who mentioned their carrier on the bug report all had AT&T.  I'll do some googling and see if I can find anyone complaining about it not working on a different carrier.
[17:35] <brunch875> well crap, I found an ugly bug
[17:36] <pmcgowan> bfiller, didnt we see mms bug on multiple carriers
[17:36] <dobey> brunch875: aren't they all?
[17:36] <brunch875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/
[17:36] <saavento> brunch875: It works! :D
[17:36] <brunch875> I rm -rf .cache/ like yesterday
[17:36] <brunch875> the plot thickens
[17:37] <brunch875> saavento: I was really hooked to that game back in the day
[17:37] <brunch875> and it should be touch-friendly
[17:38] <brunch875> does the libertine-container install itself in .cache?
[17:38] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: ^^ 13:35 < brunch875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/
[17:38] <dobey> brunch875: i would hope not
[17:38] <dobey> brunch875: i think it would be under .local/share/libertine/
[17:38] <brunch875> I deleted .cache because of supersticions
[17:38] <bfiller> pmcgowan, yes
[17:39] <bfiller> pmcgowan, kenvandine had the issue on tmobile
[17:39] <bfiller> lots of missed messages
[17:41] <brunch875> More info: I created it with:
[17:41] <brunch875> libertine-container-manager create --id brunchtainer --name "Brunched container" --distro vivid --type chroot
[17:42] <brunch875> I kind of copy-and-pasted from omgubuntu.co.uk
[17:42] <brunch875> apparently the --distro option shouldn't be used
[17:42] <saavento> brunch875: Can imagine, I was just checking it and is tempting
[17:42] <saavento> :D
[17:42] <brunch875> but anything I installed worked flawlessly
[17:43] <brunch875> including firefox, libreoffice and transmission
[17:43] <saavento> thats a good one, transmission
[17:46] <brunch875> saavento: and another one would be pidgin, since you can access google talk / skype / facebook chat / telegram / whatsapp etc etc from there
[17:46] <brunch875> and IRC, of course!
[17:46] <brunch875> I'm just curious whether the plugins would work or not
[17:47] <saavento> yes that's a good question
[17:50] <brunch875> but I really like where this is going
[17:51] <saavento> few months ago was different
[17:52] <saavento> when i tried copy paste from browser to libre office and did'nt work
[17:52] <saavento> was bff
[17:52] <gerlowskija> mhall119, pmcgowan There's this MMS bug, which is specifically targeted at US, TMobile customers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1360403  It's marked as fixed.
[17:52] <saavento> but now things are going ok
[17:53] <pmcgowan> gerlowskija, yes I think thats correct, it wasnt working at all due to IPv6 or something
[17:53] <brunch875> saavento: I still remember back when you couldn't effectively select text from the browser. So if there was a non-link link you'd have to type it by hand
[17:53] <saavento> :D
[17:53] <saavento> yes was harsh
[17:54] <saavento> but look me now cheking transmission o an ubuntu tablet
[17:54] <saavento> amazing
[17:54] <brunch875> yeah kudos on the udevs
[17:55] <saavento> yes kudos
[17:56] <saavento> and other thing important is firefox with the same ad block that i use on the desktop
[17:56] <saavento> this is getting really good
[17:57] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: brunch875: Yes, libertine containers install in ~/.cache/libertine-container
[17:57] <brunch875> whoops
[17:57] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: eww :(
[17:58] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: that is very bad
[17:58] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Why?  But I blame tedg since he set up the locations.
[17:58] <brunch875> any tips on deleting the brunchtainer now that I wiped it? :P
[17:58] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: because ~/.cache/ is just what it says it is. cache. a temporary location. libertine containers aren't something you can just rm -rf at will
[17:59] <brunch875> (which is something I do as a hobby)
[17:59] <brunch875> haha
[17:59] <dobey> well, they are if you know what you're doing, but deleting cache shouldn't result in all your apps no longer working and all your data lost
[18:00] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Well, it's not like it gets wiped after every reboot.  I think tedg's idea was that many backup programs don't back up .cache as we don't want to back up the containers themselves.
[18:00] <ChrisTownsend> brunch875: You can manually edit ~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json.
[18:00] <brunch875> Thanks!
[18:01] <dobey> well, then they need to be excluded from backup
[18:01] <dobey> but that is a horrible reason to shove the container in .cache
[18:01] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: I'll let tedg speak for the reasons then:)
[18:01] <dobey> not that we even have any backup solutions on the phone yet anyway
[18:01] <dobey> and the one we're building doesn't work that way
[18:01] <tedg> dobey: Yes, they're machine generated files, not user generated.
[18:01] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Phone is not the only place we use this.
[18:01] <dobey> tedg: what does that even mean?
[18:02] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: well sure. s/phone/unity8/
[18:02] <tedg> dobey: So they need different management. It is totally possible to recreate them if needed.
[18:02] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: I was being a smart alec:)
[18:02] <tedg> It is a cache, because it's a local download of them. But if you wanted you could rebuild it on every execution.
[18:03] <dobey> it is not a cache
[18:03] <tedg> It is a cache
[18:03]  * dobey adds a thing to rm -rf tedg's /usr/bin/ to something on every boot
[18:04] <tedg> I've actually looked at the idea of rebuilding from debs on boot. Takes a while though.
[18:05] <tedg> Would be nice if libertine detected the cache getting deleted and rebuilt it.
[18:07] <dobey> no, it would be nice if the chroot wasn't in the cache dir
[18:07] <dobey> everything in the chroot is not magically recoverable from nowhere
[18:08] <tedg> If it's not, you're using libertine in an unsupported way.
[18:09] <ChrisTownsend> What "things" just go in and wipe ~/.cache?
[18:09] <brunch875> <---
[18:10] <dobey> tedg: no, *you're* using libertine in an unsupported way
[18:10] <ChrisTownsend> Well, a user can wipe any directory, so I don't that is a valid use case.
[18:11] <dobey> or you're just saying libertine is unsupported in any way that is actually useful for users
[18:11] <dobey> so we should just remove libertine from the archive and throw it away then
[18:11] <brunch875> I tend to wipe cache to "clean" applications. They sometimes are left in an inconsistent state
[18:12] <dobey> because last i checked, have bookmarks in firefox wasn't "unsupported"
[18:12] <tedg> dobey: All of your home directory isn't in .cache, it is bind mounted in.
[18:12] <tedg> dobey: The only things in .cache are the deb installed stuff.
[18:12] <tedg> dobey: Check out ~/.local/share/libertine*
[18:13] <dobey> and regardless, it's still not something that should be in .cache, because rebuilding it means destroying the flash
[18:14] <ChrisTownsend> Again, besides a user, what would wipe out .cache?
[18:14] <brunch875> the OS to free up space, no?
[18:15] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: anything. because .cache is exactly what it says, so anything may make the assumption that .cache is only temporary data and it's safe to blow it away
[18:16] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: and even if only a user ever does so, they shouldn't have to know that "oh, actually, i can't do that because it's not really cache"
[18:16] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: That would be a bad policy to have "anything" wipe out .cache since you may have other applications open using things in .cache.
[18:16] <dobey> one shouldn't be forced to lose 6 months worth of flash lifespan, simply because they decided to delete their cache
[18:17] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: LXC stores it's images in .cache.
[18:17] <dobey> lxc stores what images in .cache?
[18:19] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: rootfs images you download using the downloads template.
[18:19] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: but it's not where the actual rootfs is stored
[18:19] <dobey> i can sudo rm -rf /var/cache/lxc and lxc will still work just fine, and not have to download new stuff
[18:20] <dobey> also, "other thing does bad things" is not a good reason to also do bad things :)
[18:20] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Well, no, but I have a ton of stuff in .cache, so I think it would be dangerous for "anything" to go in and completely wipe out .cache.  I know of no such thing that does that besides a user.
[18:21] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: it doesn't matter if such a thing exists or not. the point is that software shouldn't be dependent on .cache not being wiped out
[18:21] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: But meh, this is how it's architected.  You can enter a bug report if you please and we (Libertine team) can discuss it.
[18:24] <dobey> if it was only a couple of small files, then whatever. but it's literally a hundred thousand plus files getting deleted, just for libertine, and then all those files have to be replaced to restore. that is a huge toll on flash which only has a life of so many writes.
[18:24] <dobey> and even if the "home dir" stuff is bind mounted, you still lose the data if you end up rm -rf ing .cache with the dirs mounted
[18:25] <dobey> rm dgaf about how things are mounted
[18:45] <SIN299> Hello
[18:45] <SIN299> Anyone here M
[18:45] <SIN299> ?
[18:53] <dobey> well that was a pointless question
[19:39] <davmor2> dobey: not true it made him leave
[19:45] <frankg> Hello, i have no cellular data 3G anymore after ota-12 update
[19:46] <frankg> I am using meizu mx4 and in mobile settings i cannot toggle cellular date switch
[19:49] <frankg> Anybody here?
[19:55] <mhall119> frankg: is is stuck on or off?
[20:05] <frankg> Anybody here?
[20:05] <Walex> frankg: you!
[20:06] <zequence> brunch875: I did get the BQ E5. It has dropped in price, and does seem to be the only available phone out there right now.
[20:06] <Walex> I recently got a second BQ 4.5
[20:06] <zequence> So, thanks again. I would never have checked otherwise.
[20:06] <frankg> Ah, ok  so what about you, could you possibly help me out with a problem I have regarding ota-12 updat
[20:06] <zequence> I had an E4.5, but lost it
[20:08] <dobey> frankg: hard to help if you keep quitting like that :)
[20:08] <dobey> frankg: 15:53 < mhall119> frankg: is is stuck on or off?
[20:09] <frankg> No never use this so thought with refreshing the internetsite i thought i refresh the chat.....was logged out everytime....i stay here where i am now
[20:10] <frankg> I have no cellular data anymore..
[20:10] <frankg> So no 3G, called my provider as well but from there side everything is in the green
[20:11] <frankg> Did a reset of  apn data as well
[20:12] <dobey> frankg: you said you can't toggle the cellular data switch. is it stuck off, or stuck on?
[20:12] <dobey> frankg: does network status show in the top panel at all?
[20:12] <frankg> Disabled off
[20:13] <frankg> As well the dataroaming
[20:13] <frankg> Network status is an empty symbol.normally for wifi
[20:14] <dobey> frankg: does restarting the phone not help at all?
[20:14] <frankg> No
[20:14] <frankg> Changing to 2g and back either...
[20:14] <dobey> does 2g work?
[20:15] <frankg> No
[20:15] <frankg> Just  what should be shown in apn settings for internet?
[20:16] <dobey> depends on your provider
[20:16] <frankg> Any provider numbers or ip adresses
[20:16] <dobey> but i don't think your issue is common. if it was working before the update then the problem was almost certainly not the apn settings
[20:16] <dobey> what timezone are you in?
[20:17] <frankg> UTC +2 central  europe
[20:18] <frankg> I did my update abroad with a local wifi network
[20:19] <frankg> So far i have posted this issue at several forums with no reply at all....
[20:19] <dobey> ok. i think it might be best if you come back tomorrow during standard EU hours. the person who worked on that will be around then and may be able to help
[20:19] <dobey> he's on +2 time too i think
[20:19] <frankg> Ok will do that....tnx
[20:20] <dobey> unfortunately i can't provide much help with this :)
[20:20] <frankg> No worries
[23:57] <Suhanko> hello, everybody
[23:58] <Suhanko> I'm trying to connect via ssh, but I can't do it
[23:58] <Suhanko> ok, solved. tks!