=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === sdk_ is now known as sdk === sdk_ is now known as sdk === JanC is now known as Guest77763 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [09:53] hm, my document viewer app seems to have disappeared. When i try install again from app store, it dl's but doesn't appear in apps [09:54] any ideas anyone? [10:37] mardy: could you check at least how serious bug #1608822 seems? the log is so verbose I'm not sure what to spot from there. we aim to have Qt 5.6 on xenial-overlay so bugs like this should get fixed before we move - but I did check this is new with 5.6, does not happen with 5.5. (even though signon itself hasn't been rebuilt since November) [10:37] bug 1608822 in signon (Ubuntu) "signon fails tests on Qt 5.6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608822 [10:44] Mirv: sure, looking [10:51] thank you! [11:27] DanChapman: ping [11:39] Mirv: I could reproduce the failure with the silo 24, investigating now... [12:05] ok [12:05] hi ppl :) I got a question. how do I edit the /etc/environment file? I remounted / as rw but it's still readonly when i try to edit. I want to add http_proxy settings as per instructions I found, did something change with the /etc/environment file? [12:19] Mirv: I'm afraid it's a bug in QtDBus [12:27] mardy: oh, can you file upstream bug if that's the case? [12:28] Mirv: yep, in progress [12:28] excellent === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube === _salem is now known as salem_ === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:58] I update to ota 12 but on screen keyboard don't work in libertine [13:58] How to putting work ??? [14:03] aquiles, it should just work as long as no hardware keyboard is connected === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:17] pmcgowan, Hi Pat. Can you ping me when you get a few minutes to chat this morning/afternoon. I wanted to offer to do some legwork in verifying your proposed fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1532899, but I could use a little direction/sanity-checking. No rush getting back to me; should be around awhile. [14:17] Launchpad bug 1532899 in Canonical System Image "Group chat sometimes misses messages with Unknown Number Message not found" [High,In progress] [14:18] gerlowskija, hey, bad news there is I recently had the same issue occur with the updated nuntium so I fear the issue is elsewhere [14:18] gerlowskija, what carrier are you using when you see the issue [14:19] I'm on AT&T, in the U.S. (not sure if that matters for your question) [14:21] That's a downer that you're still seeing the issue as well. I was hoping I'd just re-installed nuntium incorrectly. [14:22] gerlowskija, need to test a bit more as I was running into a secondary issue but seems not fixed [14:23] interested if this is only a US thing or europe as well [14:23] but I suspect its anywhere using mms [14:27] Yeah, good question/point. I'll try poking around the code a bit to see if anything stands out. [14:28] gerlowskija, my current theory is its something with the network connection and perhaps not nuntium at all but just guessing at this point [14:28] sicne the download fails with a coule different network errors [14:30] I saw some talk about that on the bug, and that makes sense to me. [14:31] I'll be taking a look this evening at some point. If there's anything you'd like me to try, or anything I can help with, just let me know. [14:31] gerlowskija, great thanks === Celtor is now known as vitimiti === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === salem_ is now known as _salem [15:57] Hi. Has there anything changed about the availability of a current Ubuntu phone (similar Meizu 5 Pro)? [15:57] That means, is there a good phone I can get in Germany? [16:02] PaulePanter: none available currently [16:03] I need a phone soon. Any suggestions? [16:04] On what devices does Ubuntu Touch run, that means, can be installed without a lot of hassle? [16:11] PaulePanter: I hear some have successfully installed it on an android meizu pro 5 === _salem is now known as salem_ [16:18] popey: Ok, that’s good to know. On the other hand, it’s not so good, that Meizu doesn’t see that I actually wanted the Ubuntu Touch device. [16:22] PaulePanter: feel free to let them know that :) [16:44] argh, so I'm trying to part my Note 2 to Ubuntu Touch [16:45] Cyanogen Mod has nice instructions, but the Ubuntu Touch porting instructions are vague and confusing === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [16:47] the building instructions uses breakfast but the Ubuntu Touch instructions use lunch :/ [16:48] here's the specific device: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/T0lte_Info [16:50] I can't wait to contribut to the whole world of Ubuntu Touch once I've got this thing handled :/ [16:50] *contribute [16:51] mariogrip: is your documentation going to be online any time soon? [16:52] popey: Yeah, I will also merge it with the ubuntu "new" offical ubuntu one soon that will much better than what i have wrote [16:53] I've been using this phone as an undersized tablet with Android 4.4, so it will be nice to finally get something more modern on here :) [16:54] popey: I will try to get it ready until tomarrow (was sick last week, didn't got much done then) [16:56] mariogrip: any chance you can lend me a hand? ;) [16:56] tsimonq2: yeah sure :) [16:57] tsimonq2: also, take a look https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source that will give you an idea how to build it [16:57] so I'm at the point where it's downloading the Android bits, the thing that's supposed to take a few hours :) [16:57] oh cool, thanks [16:59] mariogrip: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found [17:00] tsimonq2: that's fine, that's because we uses github and it does not have the "curl" function [17:00] alright === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:02] a loooooot of 404s [17:14] Now that we have libertine... would pidgin work if I installed it? [17:17] I'm sure it has been asked before, but does anyone know why none of the purchasable ubuntu phones are available at the moment? [17:19] I was looking for an alternative, which has dual SIM. The only one I can find right now is Fairphone, which is not fully supported yet. [17:21] https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5 [17:22] it seems available to me [17:22] brunch875: you can install pidgin in libertine, but it will only really "work" while it's focused [17:22] dobey, but it'll work while focused? [17:22] nice!! [17:23] well, assuming it doesn't do anything horrible that confinement would prevent [17:23] brunch875: Oh, thanks. The Ubuntu page still says it is "Sold Out". And, the BQ site didn't have it either a couple of weeks ago, when I last checked [17:24] that's good news then, zequence ☺ [17:25] brunch875: It is. I was offered an iPhone at my work just now, and I would really have to keep two phones in my pocket. So, it was either this, Fairphone, or something with Android that has dual SIM [17:25] I mean, I would really not like to have two phones in my pocket. [17:26] aye, that would be annoying [17:27] it would be really irksome if they asked me to use whatsapp at work [17:27] On the other hand, if pidgin works then so should purple-whatsapp :D [17:29] hi [17:29] pmcgowan: gerlowskija: I have had the same issue with SMS, and I'm also on AT&T, has this been reproduced on any other carrier? [17:30] Anyone has tried installing any game from XApps repositories onto Libertine and working? [17:31] I've tried several but fail to load. [17:31] saavento: yes! My old time favorite named powder [17:31] mhall119, pretty sure there are some reports from europe and tmobile [17:32] oks brunch875 I will try it! [17:34] Though it is interesting that the 3 people who mentioned their carrier on the bug report all had AT&T. I'll do some googling and see if I can find anyone complaining about it not working on a different carrier. [17:35] well crap, I found an ugly bug [17:36] bfiller, didnt we see mms bug on multiple carriers [17:36] brunch875: aren't they all? [17:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/ [17:36] brunch875: It works! :D [17:36] I rm -rf .cache/ like yesterday [17:36] the plot thickens [17:37] saavento: I was really hooked to that game back in the day [17:37] and it should be touch-friendly [17:38] does the libertine-container install itself in .cache? [17:38] ChrisTownsend: ^^ 13:35 < brunch875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21917742/ [17:38] brunch875: i would hope not [17:38] brunch875: i think it would be under .local/share/libertine/ [17:38] I deleted .cache because of supersticions [17:38] pmcgowan, yes [17:39] pmcgowan, kenvandine had the issue on tmobile [17:39] lots of missed messages [17:41] More info: I created it with: [17:41] libertine-container-manager create --id brunchtainer --name "Brunched container" --distro vivid --type chroot [17:42] I kind of copy-and-pasted from omgubuntu.co.uk [17:42] apparently the --distro option shouldn't be used [17:42] brunch875: Can imagine, I was just checking it and is tempting [17:42] :D [17:42] but anything I installed worked flawlessly [17:43] including firefox, libreoffice and transmission [17:43] thats a good one, transmission [17:46] saavento: and another one would be pidgin, since you can access google talk / skype / facebook chat / telegram / whatsapp etc etc from there === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:46] and IRC, of course! [17:46] I'm just curious whether the plugins would work or not [17:47] yes that's a good question [17:50] but I really like where this is going [17:51] few months ago was different [17:52] when i tried copy paste from browser to libre office and did'nt work [17:52] was bff [17:52] mhall119, pmcgowan There's this MMS bug, which is specifically targeted at US, TMobile customers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1360403 It's marked as fixed. [17:52] Launchpad bug 1360403 in ofono (Ubuntu) "MMS does not work with T-Mobile US" [High,Fix released] [17:52] but now things are going ok [17:53] gerlowskija, yes I think thats correct, it wasnt working at all due to IPv6 or something [17:53] saavento: I still remember back when you couldn't effectively select text from the browser. So if there was a non-link link you'd have to type it by hand [17:53] :D [17:53] yes was harsh [17:54] but look me now cheking transmission o an ubuntu tablet [17:54] amazing [17:54] yeah kudos on the udevs [17:55] yes kudos [17:56] and other thing important is firefox with the same ad block that i use on the desktop [17:56] this is getting really good [17:57] dobey: brunch875: Yes, libertine containers install in ~/.cache/libertine-container [17:57] whoops [17:57] ChrisTownsend: eww :( [17:58] ChrisTownsend: that is very bad [17:58] dobey: Why? But I blame tedg since he set up the locations. [17:58] any tips on deleting the brunchtainer now that I wiped it? :P [17:58] ChrisTownsend: because ~/.cache/ is just what it says it is. cache. a temporary location. libertine containers aren't something you can just rm -rf at will [17:59] (which is something I do as a hobby) [17:59] haha [17:59] well, they are if you know what you're doing, but deleting cache shouldn't result in all your apps no longer working and all your data lost [18:00] dobey: Well, it's not like it gets wiped after every reboot. I think tedg's idea was that many backup programs don't back up .cache as we don't want to back up the containers themselves. [18:00] brunch875: You can manually edit ~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json. [18:00] Thanks! [18:01] well, then they need to be excluded from backup [18:01] but that is a horrible reason to shove the container in .cache [18:01] dobey: I'll let tedg speak for the reasons then:) [18:01] not that we even have any backup solutions on the phone yet anyway [18:01] and the one we're building doesn't work that way [18:01] dobey: Yes, they're machine generated files, not user generated. [18:01] dobey: Phone is not the only place we use this. [18:01] tedg: what does that even mean? [18:02] ChrisTownsend: well sure. s/phone/unity8/ [18:02] dobey: So they need different management. It is totally possible to recreate them if needed. [18:02] dobey: I was being a smart alec:) [18:02] It is a cache, because it's a local download of them. But if you wanted you could rebuild it on every execution. [18:03] it is not a cache [18:03] It is a cache [18:03] * dobey adds a thing to rm -rf tedg's /usr/bin/ to something on every boot [18:04] I've actually looked at the idea of rebuilding from debs on boot. Takes a while though. [18:05] Would be nice if libertine detected the cache getting deleted and rebuilt it. === zulucloud1 is now known as zulucloud [18:07] no, it would be nice if the chroot wasn't in the cache dir [18:07] everything in the chroot is not magically recoverable from nowhere [18:08] If it's not, you're using libertine in an unsupported way. [18:09] What "things" just go in and wipe ~/.cache? [18:09] <--- [18:10] tedg: no, *you're* using libertine in an unsupported way [18:10] Well, a user can wipe any directory, so I don't that is a valid use case. [18:11] or you're just saying libertine is unsupported in any way that is actually useful for users [18:11] so we should just remove libertine from the archive and throw it away then [18:11] I tend to wipe cache to "clean" applications. They sometimes are left in an inconsistent state [18:12] because last i checked, have bookmarks in firefox wasn't "unsupported" [18:12] dobey: All of your home directory isn't in .cache, it is bind mounted in. [18:12] dobey: The only things in .cache are the deb installed stuff. [18:12] dobey: Check out ~/.local/share/libertine* [18:13] and regardless, it's still not something that should be in .cache, because rebuilding it means destroying the flash [18:14] Again, besides a user, what would wipe out .cache? [18:14] the OS to free up space, no? [18:15] ChrisTownsend: anything. because .cache is exactly what it says, so anything may make the assumption that .cache is only temporary data and it's safe to blow it away [18:16] ChrisTownsend: and even if only a user ever does so, they shouldn't have to know that "oh, actually, i can't do that because it's not really cache" [18:16] dobey: That would be a bad policy to have "anything" wipe out .cache since you may have other applications open using things in .cache. [18:16] one shouldn't be forced to lose 6 months worth of flash lifespan, simply because they decided to delete their cache [18:17] dobey: LXC stores it's images in .cache. [18:17] lxc stores what images in .cache? [18:19] dobey: rootfs images you download using the downloads template. [18:19] ChrisTownsend: but it's not where the actual rootfs is stored [18:19] i can sudo rm -rf /var/cache/lxc and lxc will still work just fine, and not have to download new stuff [18:20] also, "other thing does bad things" is not a good reason to also do bad things :) [18:20] dobey: Well, no, but I have a ton of stuff in .cache, so I think it would be dangerous for "anything" to go in and completely wipe out .cache. I know of no such thing that does that besides a user. [18:21] ChrisTownsend: it doesn't matter if such a thing exists or not. the point is that software shouldn't be dependent on .cache not being wiped out [18:21] dobey: But meh, this is how it's architected. You can enter a bug report if you please and we (Libertine team) can discuss it. [18:24] if it was only a couple of small files, then whatever. but it's literally a hundred thousand plus files getting deleted, just for libertine, and then all those files have to be replaced to restore. that is a huge toll on flash which only has a life of so many writes. [18:24] and even if the "home dir" stuff is bind mounted, you still lose the data if you end up rm -rf ing .cache with the dirs mounted [18:25] rm dgaf about how things are mounted === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [18:45] Hello [18:45] Anyone here M [18:45] ? [18:53] well that was a pointless question [19:39] dobey: not true it made him leave === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [19:45] Hello, i have no cellular data 3G anymore after ota-12 update [19:46] I am using meizu mx4 and in mobile settings i cannot toggle cellular date switch [19:49] Anybody here? [19:55] frankg: is is stuck on or off? [20:05] Anybody here? [20:05] frankg: you! [20:06] brunch875: I did get the BQ E5. It has dropped in price, and does seem to be the only available phone out there right now. [20:06] I recently got a second BQ 4.5 [20:06] So, thanks again. I would never have checked otherwise. [20:06] Ah, ok so what about you, could you possibly help me out with a problem I have regarding ota-12 updat [20:06] I had an E4.5, but lost it [20:08] frankg: hard to help if you keep quitting like that :) [20:08] frankg: 15:53 < mhall119> frankg: is is stuck on or off? [20:09] No never use this so thought with refreshing the internetsite i thought i refresh the chat.....was logged out everytime....i stay here where i am now [20:10] I have no cellular data anymore.. [20:10] So no 3G, called my provider as well but from there side everything is in the green [20:11] Did a reset of apn data as well [20:12] frankg: you said you can't toggle the cellular data switch. is it stuck off, or stuck on? [20:12] frankg: does network status show in the top panel at all? [20:12] Disabled off [20:13] As well the dataroaming [20:13] Network status is an empty symbol.normally for wifi [20:14] frankg: does restarting the phone not help at all? [20:14] No [20:14] Changing to 2g and back either... [20:14] does 2g work? [20:15] No [20:15] Just what should be shown in apn settings for internet? [20:16] depends on your provider [20:16] Any provider numbers or ip adresses [20:16] but i don't think your issue is common. if it was working before the update then the problem was almost certainly not the apn settings [20:16] what timezone are you in? [20:17] UTC +2 central europe [20:18] I did my update abroad with a local wifi network [20:19] So far i have posted this issue at several forums with no reply at all.... [20:19] ok. i think it might be best if you come back tomorrow during standard EU hours. the person who worked on that will be around then and may be able to help [20:19] he's on +2 time too i think [20:19] Ok will do that....tnx [20:20] unfortunately i can't provide much help with this :) [20:20] No worries === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [23:57] hello, everybody [23:58] I'm trying to connect via ssh, but I can't do it [23:58] ok, solved. tks!