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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:48 |
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| OerHeks | hi lotus | 06:12 |
| ducasse | hi all | 06:38 |
| lotuspsychje | hey OerHeks & ducasse | 06:41 |
| lotuspsychje | how are you guys doing | 06:41 |
| ducasse | good thanks, yourself? work today? | 06:42 |
| lotuspsychje | 3 days off :p | 06:44 |
| ducasse | \o/ working on things for your shop instead? | 06:45 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 06:46 |
| lotuspsychje | its getting shaped a bit now :p | 06:47 |
| lotuspsychje | http://lotuscomputers.be | 06:47 |
| lotuspsychje | logo needs to be centered and more space to searchbar still | 06:47 |
| lotuspsychje | and more categories coming without the pink text | 06:48 |
| OerHeks | get a free certificate :-) | 06:49 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: what can i do with it? | 06:50 |
| OerHeks | Then you would have https | 06:50 |
| OerHeks | you know, that s that gives people trust | 06:51 |
| lotuspsychje | like your page you mean? | 06:51 |
| OerHeks | yes, then we will see https://lotuscomputers.be | 06:51 |
| lotuspsychje | oh | 06:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ill talk to my admin :p | 06:52 |
| ducasse | +1 on https | 06:52 |
| OerHeks | https://letsencrypt.org/ or an other vendor | 06:52 |
| lotuspsychje | hi EriC^^ | 06:52 |
| OerHeks | or cacert.org ( old one) | 06:53 |
| EriC^^ | hi lotuspsychje | 06:54 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: what advantages does https have for the end user? | 06:55 |
| OerHeks | If i would buy with you, i expect a ssl connection. | 06:55 |
| EriC^^ | the info is secure | 06:56 |
| EriC^^ | god damn, the iphone back cover popped off suddenly | 06:56 |
| lotuspsychje | oO | 06:56 |
| EriC^^ | didn't drop it or anything (iirc) | 06:56 |
| OerHeks | does not matter if there is money involved, any private info like name/adress and such too. | 06:56 |
| EriC^^ | it's the old 4s | 06:56 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: ok tnx | 06:56 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: letsencrypt is for free right? | 06:57 |
| OerHeks | EriC^^, what might have caused this, heat? | 06:57 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: our almera transmission box is pretty dead, buying a new car friday 2nd hand | 06:57 |
| OerHeks | yes. | 06:57 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: maybe, i didn't leave it in the car or anything though | 06:57 |
| EriC^^ | but sometimes i leave the flashlight on and put it in my pocket | 06:57 |
| EriC^^ | so maybe that caused it, ah also i used the "hairdryer" method a few months back where you heat it up at the back and it resets and the wifi bug goes | 06:58 |
| OerHeks | heat/moisture .. or that phone is desintegrading after x years :-D | 06:58 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: nice | 06:58 |
| EriC^^ | what are you getting? | 06:58 |
| EriC^^ | yup | 06:58 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: a black nissan note from 2008 | 06:59 |
| EriC^^ | i'm waiting for sept to get the 7 when it comes out | 06:59 |
| EriC^^ | no point in getting the 6s anymore | 06:59 |
| EriC^^ | finally no more apps wont work with ios x errors :D | 06:59 |
| EriC^^ | also i want the slow motion camera badly | 07:00 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: cool | 07:01 |
| EriC^^ | how's the site coming together? | 07:01 |
| lotuspsychje | http://lotuscomputers.be | 07:03 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: being worked on | 07:03 |
| EriC^^ | advies? | 07:03 |
| lotuspsychje | advice | 07:04 |
| lotuspsychje | security advice etc | 07:05 |
| EriC^^ | aha | 07:05 |
| EriC^^ | the old ad thing looked sick | 07:05 |
| lotuspsychje | ad thing? | 07:06 |
| EriC^^ | yeah that box that had ads that come and go | 07:06 |
| OerHeks | wait.. i can call lotus \0/ .. lotus, add +32 in front of your phone number | 07:08 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 07:08 |
| OerHeks | = interntion country code | 07:08 |
| OerHeks | grrr international | 07:08 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: look into https://letsencrypt.org/ for the cert | 07:10 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 07:10 |
| EriC^^ | i want to get a laptop | 07:10 |
| OerHeks | no no, you don't want a laptop, EriC^^ | 07:10 |
| EriC^^ | thinking about the msi pe60-6qe | 07:10 |
| lotuspsychje | msi have nice ones | 07:11 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 07:11 |
| OerHeks | you want a full tower with a lot of cables and plugs | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 07:11 |
| EriC^^ | mine is dying, hdd is dead, battery dead, etc | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl guys | 07:11 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 07:11 |
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| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 10:01 |
| lotuspsychje | re | 10:53 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: your package got arrived :p | 10:58 |
| EriC^^ | wb lotuspsychje | 11:05 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx EriC^^ | 11:05 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: i had few msi mobo's once and very happy with them | 11:06 |
| EriC^^ | cool | 11:06 |
| EriC^^ | ubuntu friendly? uefi? | 11:06 |
| lotuspsychje | oh, it was long time ago before uefi :p | 11:07 |
| lotuspsychje | but i guess the only improved | 11:07 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: whatever you choose put an ssd inside :p | 11:08 |
| EriC^^ | it comes with one, but kind of small 128gb | 11:09 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 11:10 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: lol | 11:12 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 11:13 |
| OerHeks | i hasitated too, to press spacebar when screen went blanc.. | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | sounds too weird in middle of install | 11:13 |
| OerHeks | no it happens.. i think it is a slow machine | 11:14 |
| OerHeks | or not to a SSD | 11:14 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: 'snap find' fails on both my 16.04 installs, "error: cannot list snaps: bad query" | 11:16 |
| lotuspsychje | uh? | 11:17 |
| ducasse | used to work, but i just discovered it no longer does :) | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: works fine here, could it be due to not using unity? | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | your on i3 right? | 11:18 |
| ducasse | possible. | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: you got the /snap folder? | 11:19 |
| lotuspsychje | and /dev/loop/ snaps? | 11:19 |
| ducasse | yep, 'snap list' works. | 11:19 |
| ducasse | got those too. | 11:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: or do you snap find 'keyword'? | 11:20 |
| ducasse | 'snap find' | 11:20 |
| lotuspsychje | strange | 11:21 |
| ducasse | i've got 2.11+0.16.04 from -proposed... | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: whats the packagename again? | 11:22 |
| ducasse | snapd | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ apt-cache policy snapd | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | snapd: | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | Geïnstalleerd: 2.0.10 | 11:23 |
| ducasse | the man page has gotten seriously updated, too | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | from main | 11:23 |
| OerHeks | oer@oerworkstation:~$ snap find snapd | 11:23 |
| OerHeks | Name Version Developer Notes Summary | 11:23 |
| OerHeks | snapd-hacker-toolbelt 0.6 zygoon - Collection of tools useful for developers hacking on snapd | 11:23 |
| OerHeks | test-snapd-tools 1.0 canonical - Tools for testing the snapd application | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: what are you doing on proposed? | 11:23 |
| OerHeks | oh you are on proposed?? | 11:23 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: this is a laptop that is only used for testing etc, so i volunteer for testing new updates | 11:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 11:24 |
| ducasse | somebody's got to :) | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 11:25 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: you might need a !bug then :p | 11:26 |
| ducasse | snap find works fine with a keyword, but not without. it used to list all available snaps. | 11:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 11:26 |
| lotuspsychje | list got huge already wow | 11:27 |
| ducasse | according to the new man page, keywords should be optional. i think i'll file a bug on this. | 11:27 |
| OerHeks | hmm --beta Install from the beta channel, nice | 11:29 |
| ducasse | there are obviously a _lot_ of new things here, according to the man page. or at least they're noe documented :) | 11:29 |
| ducasse | *now | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | find | 11:33 |
| lotuspsychje | Finds packages to install | 11:33 |
| lotuspsychje | The find command queries the store for available packages. | 11:33 |
| lotuspsychje | ah list, is for installed snaps | 11:34 |
| OerHeks | man snap > snap-help.txt # for easy reading | 11:34 |
| ducasse | i've also got usage instructions, listing --private and --help | 11:34 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: you can also check ubuntu software perhaps, if it lists snaps also? | 11:35 |
| ducasse | not installed :p | 11:35 |
| lotuspsychje | oh silly me | 11:35 |
| ducasse | i can search just fine, just seems the option to list all available snaps is gone. | 11:36 |
| lotuspsychje | thats the penalty for you unity haters haha | 11:36 |
| ducasse | might be intentional. | 11:36 |
| ducasse | not a unity hater, just a disliker :) | 11:36 |
| lotuspsychje | just joking mate :p | 11:36 |
| ducasse | i know :) | 11:37 |
| lotuspsychje | i wonder what happens if you install a lower snapd version | 11:37 |
| ducasse | want me to pastebin the new man page? it's quite different. | 11:37 |
| lotuspsychje | ah sure, lets have a look | 11:37 |
| ducasse | http://paste.ubuntu.com/22018730/ | 11:37 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 11:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: snap find also shows...hmm | 11:41 |
| ducasse | Usage: snap [OPTIONS] find [find-OPTIONS] - [...] means "optional" | 11:42 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 11:43 |
| ducasse | but there's lots in here i didn't know about to play with! \o/ | 11:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: both your installs have i3? | 11:44 |
| ducasse | yup. | 11:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: you have other wm's to try? | 11:45 |
| lotuspsychje | if the snap folders exist, its weird it gives you bad query right | 11:46 |
| ducasse | no, but i guess i could install one... i don't see how the wm should matter, but i see how something in a de might. | 11:46 |
| ducasse | i can run snaps and everything else, it seems. | 11:47 |
| ducasse | maybe that feature is just gone now. | 11:47 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: but manpage still shows it | 11:47 |
| ducasse | i know, that's why i reacted. | 11:47 |
| ducasse | i'll file a bug, see what they respond. | 11:48 |
| lotuspsychje | okay | 11:48 |
| ducasse | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1609368 | 12:00 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1609368 in snapd (Ubuntu) "'snap find' no longer lists all available snaps" [Undecided,New] | 12:00 |
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| EriC^^ | there are smart lights, supposed to last 23 years | 12:09 |
| EriC^^ | wireless, you can program them, and use your phone to turn them on off | 12:09 |
| EriC^^ | https://www.gadgitechstore.com/collections/smart-lights/products/wemo-smart-led-bulb | 12:10 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 12:12 |
| ducasse | hasn't sruli been in #ubuntu earlier trying to use macchanger to get around restrictions on a free wifi? | 12:40 |
| OerHeks | that was a while ago, 2 weeks maybe? | 12:42 |
| ducasse | did you see his explanation now? | 12:42 |
| ducasse | "i need to get a particular ip from my dhcp, i connect with different device each time" | 12:43 |
| OerHeks | it makes no sense at all, multiple devices want to use same ip lease.. | 12:43 |
| ducasse | i don't believe that, not gonna help him. | 12:43 |
| OerHeks | i give you permission to send him to the kali channel | 12:43 |
| ducasse | lol | 12:44 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 12:45 |
| ducasse | he went quiet now, probably upset he got caught :) | 12:47 |
| OerHeks | nope | 12:47 |
| ducasse | "i dont remember" - right. | 12:47 |
| OerHeks | but true, one can feel tension | 12:47 |
| ducasse | i'm not going to poke the bear anymore, i'll just leave him alone. | 12:48 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: very funny - 'snap find' will no longer list all snaps, the docs just don't reflect this. explanation: "this is never what the user wanted", which it was in my case... | 13:35 |
| OerHeks | how would one list all available snaps then? | 13:37 |
| OerHeks | snap find * # gives a selection, snap find . # gives the full list ? | 13:39 |
| OerHeks | this is on the old one, ofcourse | 13:40 |
| ducasse | OerHeks: ah, that seems to work. i had some problems with snap+regexps here, so i didn't test that. thanks, OerHeks :) | 13:43 |
| OerHeks | the diff between snap find and snap find . seems to be 0 | 13:44 |
| OerHeks | so technically, if this is the valid search for all packages, the manual can be updated too | 13:44 |
| ducasse | i'll add a note. i'm still a little unclear what the regexp's are matched against, here they seem to return things that may or may not be related, but which does not match the regexp | 13:46 |
| OerHeks | for proposed ..http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/can-now-install-snappy-apps-software-center | 14:05 |
| ducasse | that should have reached -updates by now, shouldn't it? the post was from late april. | 14:08 |
| OerHeks | there is no snap section whatsoever in my softwarecenter | 14:10 |
| ducasse | the article says there is no way to see all snaps in the gui, but you will find (gui) snap apps if you search for them. | 14:15 |
| horse | Hello. I really like the Unity desktop, so wanted to set up a VM and remote in to have a play. it seems that this isn't possible. is it really snesible to have a desktop envirnoment that dosn't support remote desktop/VNC? | 14:58 |
| daftykins | what's wrong with a VM from the host system you use? | 15:00 |
| daftykins | then use it directly... | 15:00 |
| horse | daftykins: it's not really convenient | 15:01 |
| horse | limited resource | 15:01 |
| daftykins | then how about booting a live session to try it out? or multiboot? or get a cheap second system? | 15:01 |
| horse | I could do, however, what about when i want to remote into my cheap second sytem? | 15:01 |
| horse | yes i could use SSH | 15:02 |
| daftykins | well that's for CLI. | 15:02 |
| horse | but i was quite looking forward to playing with the fancy GUI | 15:02 |
| daftykins | you'll see zero of it via remote technologies. | 15:02 |
| daftykins | however they do exist, do work and are fine to use on a home network - so i'm not really seeing a problem | 15:02 |
| horse | it just seems like an odd decision, for the sake of some 3d "rice" | 15:02 |
| daftykins | what is an odd decision? | 15:03 |
| daftykins | right now you are saying you want to see these fancy DE features | 15:04 |
| horse | valuing look and feel above actually being able to use the desktop remotely | 15:04 |
| daftykins | utilising a graphically accelerated desktop remotely is simply not a sensible use-case | 15:04 |
| ducasse | it's not just "rice", 3d accel is used for basically everything in compiz | 15:04 |
| horse | does windows not use 3D accel? | 15:05 |
| daftykins | horse: so i think you've either not looked very hard for how to try this effectively, or what you're trying to do is simply not a good idea | 15:05 |
| ducasse | horse: did you try the other approaches i and others suggested? | 15:06 |
| horse | i'm not sure what you mean by not looking very hard, are you saying this is possible? | 15:06 |
| daftykins | attempting to see a 3D accelerated desktop like Unity will always be a flawed plan no matter the OS, either Windows with aero (since Vista) or any accelerated Linux DE. | 15:07 |
| horse | ducasse: i tried a bunch of stuff, i cant really remember if i tried your approach specifically, remind me? | 15:08 |
| daftykins | the concept is flawed from the outset so it doesn't hugely matter on the method | 15:08 |
| horse | So how do other OSes handle this? do they have a 2D mode for RDP? | 15:08 |
| dax | yes | 15:08 |
| horse | OK. Does unity have a 2D mode? | 15:09 |
| dax | Windows disables graphical shinies when you RDP to it, for example | 15:09 |
| dax | no | 15:09 |
| horse | why not? | 15:09 |
| dax | no idea | 15:09 |
| daftykins | i run my windows 7 machine, which i access solely over RDP, with the classic theme so as to cut down on remote overhead | 15:10 |
| horse | OK, well that answers my question at least :) | 15:10 |
| daftykins | even when you're on a high speed LAN between one host and another, forwarding a graphically accelerated desktop is silly | 15:11 |
| horse | im on a lan and have no problems with RDP | 15:11 |
| horse | to windows boxen | 15:11 |
| horse | they are windows server though so probably not using "3d" mode. i've never really thought about it until now to be honest. | 15:12 |
| daftykins | no Windows Server disables desktop compositing. | 15:12 |
| daftykins | ah, well these are pretty core concepts | 15:12 |
| horse | i usually SSH into hosts TBH | 15:12 |
| horse | however, in this use case i needed a GUI, so thought unity might be nice to try... | 15:13 |
| daftykins | perhaps if you told us the task we can advise something better | 15:14 |
| daftykins | you're aware of X forwarding also? | 15:15 |
| daftykins | though you would need some software installed to handle that if it's a Windows host | 15:15 |
| daftykins | (that you use directly) | 15:15 |
| ducasse | OerHeks: apparently, 'snap find .' only lists 100 arbitrary snaps. the devs see no need for a way to list all of them. | 15:58 |
| OerHeks | oke, thank you sofar. | 15:59 |
| OerHeks | then i will write a script, snap find a* -z* and sort and remove double ones | 16:01 |
| OerHeks | how to look for --beta, --edge and --candidate ? | 16:01 |
| ducasse | they say we should use the rest api if we want a complete list. for --beta etc i don't think it is implemented. | 16:02 |
| ducasse | so use the rest api, is my guess. | 16:03 |
| OerHeks | what is rest api? | 16:03 |
| ducasse | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer | 16:04 |
| * daftykins always rests | 16:04 | |
| ducasse | ie - "you code it yourself, we can't be bothered". they claimed they didn't want to support pagination etc in the frontend, which is a bogus excuse imo. | 16:05 |
| daftykins | i hear this a lot from open source projects "we can't think of using what you want, therefore we won't do it" | 16:06 |
| OerHeks | maybe they have this policy, to give other linux distros a chance to come up with this bright idea | 16:08 |
| ducasse | most of the time i get that, but here it's a matter of removing a feature that exists, and deliberately coding around other ways to do it. all they need to do is dump all the data to stdout as they did before. | 16:08 |
| OerHeks | *that accept snap packages | 16:08 |
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