=== darth_chaos7 is now known as chaos7theory === chaos7theory is now known as darth === darth is now known as chaos7theory [05:48] good morning to all [06:12] hi lotus [06:38] hi all [06:41] hey OerHeks & ducasse [06:41] how are you guys doing [06:42] good thanks, yourself? work today? [06:44] 3 days off :p [06:45] \o/ working on things for your shop instead? [06:46] yep [06:47] its getting shaped a bit now :p [06:47] http://lotuscomputers.be [06:47] logo needs to be centered and more space to searchbar still [06:48] and more categories coming without the pink text [06:49] get a free certificate :-) [06:50] OerHeks: what can i do with it? [06:50] Then you would have https [06:51] you know, that s that gives people trust [06:51] like your page you mean? [06:51] yes, then we will see https://lotuscomputers.be [06:52] oh [06:52] ill talk to my admin :p [06:52] +1 on https [06:52] https://letsencrypt.org/ or an other vendor [06:52] hi EriC^^ [06:53] or cacert.org ( old one) [06:54] hi lotuspsychje [06:55] OerHeks: what advantages does https have for the end user? [06:55] If i would buy with you, i expect a ssl connection. [06:56] the info is secure [06:56] god damn, the iphone back cover popped off suddenly [06:56] oO [06:56] didn't drop it or anything (iirc) [06:56] does not matter if there is money involved, any private info like name/adress and such too. [06:56] it's the old 4s [06:56] OerHeks: ok tnx [06:57] OerHeks: letsencrypt is for free right? [06:57] EriC^^, what might have caused this, heat? [06:57] EriC^^: our almera transmission box is pretty dead, buying a new car friday 2nd hand [06:57] yes. [06:57] OerHeks: maybe, i didn't leave it in the car or anything though [06:57] but sometimes i leave the flashlight on and put it in my pocket [06:58] so maybe that caused it, ah also i used the "hairdryer" method a few months back where you heat it up at the back and it resets and the wifi bug goes [06:58] heat/moisture .. or that phone is desintegrading after x years :-D [06:58] lotuspsychje: nice [06:58] what are you getting? [06:58] yup [06:59] EriC^^: a black nissan note from 2008 [06:59] i'm waiting for sept to get the 7 when it comes out [06:59] no point in getting the 6s anymore [06:59] finally no more apps wont work with ios x errors :D [07:00] also i want the slow motion camera badly [07:01] lotuspsychje: cool [07:01] how's the site coming together? [07:03] http://lotuscomputers.be [07:03] EriC^^: being worked on [07:03] advies? [07:04] advice [07:05] security advice etc [07:05] aha [07:05] the old ad thing looked sick [07:06] ad thing? [07:06] yeah that box that had ads that come and go [07:08] wait.. i can call lotus \0/ .. lotus, add +32 in front of your phone number [07:08] lol [07:08] = interntion country code [07:08] grrr international [07:10] lotuspsychje: look into https://letsencrypt.org/ for the cert [07:10] ok [07:10] i want to get a laptop [07:10] no no, you don't want a laptop, EriC^^ [07:10] thinking about the msi pe60-6qe [07:11] msi have nice ones [07:11] hehe [07:11] you want a full tower with a lot of cables and plugs [07:11] lol [07:11] mine is dying, hdd is dead, battery dead, etc [07:11] bbl guys [07:11] :-) === JanC is now known as Guest88920 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [10:01] Howdy folks [10:53] re [10:58] daftykins: your package got arrived :p [11:05] wb lotuspsychje [11:05] tnx EriC^^ [11:06] EriC^^: i had few msi mobo's once and very happy with them [11:06] cool [11:06] ubuntu friendly? uefi? [11:07] oh, it was long time ago before uefi :p [11:07] but i guess the only improved [11:08] EriC^^: whatever you choose put an ssd inside :p [11:09] it comes with one, but kind of small 128gb [11:10] cool [11:12] OerHeks: lol [11:13] :-) [11:13] i hasitated too, to press spacebar when screen went blanc.. [11:13] sounds too weird in middle of install [11:14] no it happens.. i think it is a slow machine [11:14] or not to a SSD [11:16] lotuspsychje: 'snap find' fails on both my 16.04 installs, "error: cannot list snaps: bad query" [11:17] uh? [11:18] used to work, but i just discovered it no longer does :) [11:18] ducasse: works fine here, could it be due to not using unity? [11:18] your on i3 right? [11:18] possible. [11:19] ducasse: you got the /snap folder? [11:19] and /dev/loop/ snaps? [11:19] yep, 'snap list' works. [11:20] got those too. [11:20] ducasse: or do you snap find 'keyword'? [11:20] 'snap find' [11:21] strange [11:22] i've got 2.11+0.16.04 from -proposed... [11:22] ducasse: whats the packagename again? [11:22] snapd [11:23] lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ apt-cache policy snapd [11:23] snapd: [11:23] Geïnstalleerd: 2.0.10 [11:23] the man page has gotten seriously updated, too [11:23] from main [11:23] oer@oerworkstation:~$ snap find snapd [11:23] Name Version Developer Notes Summary [11:23] snapd-hacker-toolbelt 0.6 zygoon - Collection of tools useful for developers hacking on snapd [11:23] test-snapd-tools 1.0 canonical - Tools for testing the snapd application [11:23] ducasse: what are you doing on proposed? [11:23] oh you are on proposed?? [11:24] lotuspsychje: this is a laptop that is only used for testing etc, so i volunteer for testing new updates [11:24] ah [11:25] somebody's got to :) [11:25] :p [11:26] ducasse: you might need a !bug then :p [11:26] snap find works fine with a keyword, but not without. it used to list all available snaps. [11:26] yep [11:27] list got huge already wow [11:27] according to the new man page, keywords should be optional. i think i'll file a bug on this. [11:29] hmm --beta Install from the beta channel, nice [11:29] there are obviously a _lot_ of new things here, according to the man page. or at least they're noe documented :) [11:29] *now [11:33] find [11:33] Finds packages to install [11:33] The find command queries the store for available packages. [11:34] ah list, is for installed snaps [11:34] man snap > snap-help.txt # for easy reading [11:34] i've also got usage instructions, listing --private and --help [11:35] ducasse: you can also check ubuntu software perhaps, if it lists snaps also? [11:35] not installed :p [11:35] oh silly me [11:36] i can search just fine, just seems the option to list all available snaps is gone. [11:36] thats the penalty for you unity haters haha [11:36] might be intentional. [11:36] not a unity hater, just a disliker :) [11:36] just joking mate :p [11:37] i know :) [11:37] i wonder what happens if you install a lower snapd version [11:37] want me to pastebin the new man page? it's quite different. [11:37] ah sure, lets have a look [11:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/22018730/ [11:39] lets c [11:41] ducasse: snap find also shows...hmm [11:42] Usage: snap [OPTIONS] find [find-OPTIONS] - [...] means "optional" [11:43] yeah [11:44] but there's lots in here i didn't know about to play with! \o/ [11:44] ducasse: both your installs have i3? [11:44] yup. [11:45] ducasse: you have other wm's to try? [11:46] if the snap folders exist, its weird it gives you bad query right [11:46] no, but i guess i could install one... i don't see how the wm should matter, but i see how something in a de might. [11:47] i can run snaps and everything else, it seems. [11:47] maybe that feature is just gone now. [11:47] ducasse: but manpage still shows it [11:47] i know, that's why i reacted. [11:48] i'll file a bug, see what they respond. [11:48] okay [12:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1609368 [12:00] Launchpad bug 1609368 in snapd (Ubuntu) "'snap find' no longer lists all available snaps" [Undecided,New] === EriC^^ is now known as opensource === opensource is now known as EriC^^ [12:09] there are smart lights, supposed to last 23 years [12:09] wireless, you can program them, and use your phone to turn them on off [12:10] https://www.gadgitechstore.com/collections/smart-lights/products/wemo-smart-led-bulb [12:12] nice [12:40] hasn't sruli been in #ubuntu earlier trying to use macchanger to get around restrictions on a free wifi? [12:42] that was a while ago, 2 weeks maybe? [12:42] did you see his explanation now? [12:43] "i need to get a particular ip from my dhcp, i connect with different device each time" [12:43] it makes no sense at all, multiple devices want to use same ip lease.. [12:43] i don't believe that, not gonna help him. [12:43] i give you permission to send him to the kali channel [12:44] lol [12:45] :p [12:47] he went quiet now, probably upset he got caught :) [12:47] nope [12:47] "i dont remember" - right. [12:47] but true, one can feel tension [12:48] i'm not going to poke the bear anymore, i'll just leave him alone. [13:35] lotuspsychje: very funny - 'snap find' will no longer list all snaps, the docs just don't reflect this. explanation: "this is never what the user wanted", which it was in my case... [13:37] how would one list all available snaps then? [13:39] snap find * # gives a selection, snap find . # gives the full list ? [13:40] this is on the old one, ofcourse [13:43] OerHeks: ah, that seems to work. i had some problems with snap+regexps here, so i didn't test that. thanks, OerHeks :) [13:44] the diff between snap find and snap find . seems to be 0 [13:44] so technically, if this is the valid search for all packages, the manual can be updated too [13:46] i'll add a note. i'm still a little unclear what the regexp's are matched against, here they seem to return things that may or may not be related, but which does not match the regexp [14:05] for proposed ..http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/can-now-install-snappy-apps-software-center [14:08] that should have reached -updates by now, shouldn't it? the post was from late april. [14:10] there is no snap section whatsoever in my softwarecenter [14:15] the article says there is no way to see all snaps in the gui, but you will find (gui) snap apps if you search for them. [14:58] Hello. I really like the Unity desktop, so wanted to set up a VM and remote in to have a play. it seems that this isn't possible. is it really snesible to have a desktop envirnoment that dosn't support remote desktop/VNC? [15:00] what's wrong with a VM from the host system you use? [15:00] then use it directly... [15:01] daftykins: it's not really convenient [15:01] limited resource [15:01] then how about booting a live session to try it out? or multiboot? or get a cheap second system? [15:01] I could do, however, what about when i want to remote into my cheap second sytem? [15:02] yes i could use SSH [15:02] well that's for CLI. [15:02] but i was quite looking forward to playing with the fancy GUI [15:02] you'll see zero of it via remote technologies. [15:02] however they do exist, do work and are fine to use on a home network - so i'm not really seeing a problem [15:02] it just seems like an odd decision, for the sake of some 3d "rice" [15:03] what is an odd decision? [15:04] right now you are saying you want to see these fancy DE features [15:04] valuing look and feel above actually being able to use the desktop remotely [15:04] utilising a graphically accelerated desktop remotely is simply not a sensible use-case [15:04] it's not just "rice", 3d accel is used for basically everything in compiz [15:05] does windows not use 3D accel? [15:05] horse: so i think you've either not looked very hard for how to try this effectively, or what you're trying to do is simply not a good idea [15:06] horse: did you try the other approaches i and others suggested? [15:06] i'm not sure what you mean by not looking very hard, are you saying this is possible? [15:07] attempting to see a 3D accelerated desktop like Unity will always be a flawed plan no matter the OS, either Windows with aero (since Vista) or any accelerated Linux DE. [15:08] ducasse: i tried a bunch of stuff, i cant really remember if i tried your approach specifically, remind me? [15:08] the concept is flawed from the outset so it doesn't hugely matter on the method [15:08] So how do other OSes handle this? do they have a 2D mode for RDP? [15:08] yes [15:09] OK. Does unity have a 2D mode? [15:09] Windows disables graphical shinies when you RDP to it, for example [15:09] no [15:09] why not? [15:09] no idea [15:10] i run my windows 7 machine, which i access solely over RDP, with the classic theme so as to cut down on remote overhead [15:10] OK, well that answers my question at least :) [15:11] even when you're on a high speed LAN between one host and another, forwarding a graphically accelerated desktop is silly [15:11] im on a lan and have no problems with RDP [15:11] to windows boxen [15:12] they are windows server though so probably not using "3d" mode. i've never really thought about it until now to be honest. [15:12] no Windows Server disables desktop compositing. [15:12] ah, well these are pretty core concepts [15:12] i usually SSH into hosts TBH [15:13] however, in this use case i needed a GUI, so thought unity might be nice to try... [15:14] perhaps if you told us the task we can advise something better [15:15] you're aware of X forwarding also? [15:15] though you would need some software installed to handle that if it's a Windows host [15:15] (that you use directly) [15:58] OerHeks: apparently, 'snap find .' only lists 100 arbitrary snaps. the devs see no need for a way to list all of them. [15:59] oke, thank you sofar. [16:01] then i will write a script, snap find a* -z* and sort and remove double ones [16:01] how to look for --beta, --edge and --candidate ? [16:02] they say we should use the rest api if we want a complete list. for --beta etc i don't think it is implemented. [16:03] so use the rest api, is my guess. [16:03] what is rest api? [16:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer [16:04] * daftykins always rests [16:05] ie - "you code it yourself, we can't be bothered". they claimed they didn't want to support pagination etc in the frontend, which is a bogus excuse imo. [16:06] i hear this a lot from open source projects "we can't think of using what you want, therefore we won't do it" [16:08] maybe they have this policy, to give other linux distros a chance to come up with this bright idea [16:08] most of the time i get that, but here it's a matter of removing a feature that exists, and deliberately coding around other ways to do it. all they need to do is dump all the data to stdout as they did before. [16:08] *that accept snap packages === JanC is now known as Guest94529 === JanC_ is now known as JanC