| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 06:01 |
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| knightwise | Behold ! For I have entered the realm of Linux via the Bash environment running onto my Windows 10 machine | 06:38 |
| knightwise | All hail the aniversary update and lets praise it for allowing us to finally apt-get update ... IN WINDOWS :) | 06:38 |
| knightwise | What can I say , i'm easily amused | 06:39 |
| knightwise | although there does seem to be an issue with scrolling | 06:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | if microsoft had of been truly up to their usual standards they should have gone with yum instead of apt just to be a little wrong... :-P | 06:49 |
| knightwise | true | 06:50 |
| knightwise | :) | 06:50 |
| knightonWin | there where apparently some redraw issues with the SSH window I had | 06:51 |
| knightonWin | Checking if this is the case too when i run the irssi nativelyt | 06:52 |
| === marshmn_work is now known as marshmn|work | ||
| knightwise | Hmm. | 07:47 |
| knightwise | so that terminal still needs some work :) | 07:48 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:10 |
| knightwise | hey davmor2 | 08:10 |
| foobarry | knightwise: works in teh std win 10 yet? or the beta/preview thing | 08:15 |
| knightwise | Stadnard | 08:17 |
| knightwise | since the anniversary update | 08:17 |
| foobarry | oh, time to boot the vsphereOS for the first time in months then | 08:30 |
| foobarry | i only need it to deploy ovfs in vmware | 08:30 |
| SuperEngineer | Does anybody here play Goat Simulator [via Steam] on their Ubuntu pc? If so, tried it lately? Does it still work? | 08:35 |
| === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar | ||
| foobarry | i get this every time i boot windows after running linux http://imgur.com/a/8i5Ro | 08:39 |
| foobarry | then windows works the 2nd time | 08:39 |
| foobarry | knightwise: still not there on my copy | 08:49 |
| foobarry | looking for "windows subsystem for linux" | 08:49 |
| === Darkstar is now known as Guest33583 | ||
| foobarry | hmm 1511 build 10586 | 08:52 |
| foobarry | looks like the old windows update restart update restart repeat | 08:52 |
| SuperEngineer | foobarry: "linux subsystem for windows" perhaps? | 08:53 |
| foobarry | don't think i have the correct build number yet | 08:53 |
| knightwise | SuperEngineer: thats the one | 08:54 |
| knightwise | You have to switch to developer mode first | 08:54 |
| foobarry | done that | 08:54 |
| knightwise | then add the linux subsystem for windows | 08:54 |
| foobarry | not an option | 08:54 |
| foobarry | in the list of windows features | 08:54 |
| knightwise | http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/ | 08:54 |
| knightwise | Then you dontg have the anniversary update yet | 08:55 |
| SuperEngineer | Have you tried turning it off & back on again? :-D | 08:56 |
| foobarry | yep | 08:57 |
| SuperEngineer | well Sir, if you repeat the update/restart process another 280 times, you should then see it" :-D | 08:58 |
| foobarry | i think so | 08:58 |
| foobarry | sigh it wants 20GB free space | 09:03 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Watermelon Day! 😃 🍉 | 09:09 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: think this covers it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dAy9u0_9nM | 09:14 |
| SuperMatt | It's also new comic book day, but that's every wednesday | 09:16 |
| knightwise | foobarry: thats a lot just for the upgrade | 09:19 |
| foobarry | its cooking my fans too | 09:32 |
| foobarry | and is a lie | 09:32 |
| === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar | ||
| foobarry | anniversary update totally hosed my grub | 10:45 |
| SuperMatt | of course | 10:46 |
| foobarry | utterly shagged | 11:01 |
| foobarry | http://askubuntu.com/questions/655011/windows-10-upgrade-kills-grub-and-boot-repair-doesnt-help | 11:02 |
| foobarry | its deleted my ubuntu partitions | 11:06 |
| knightwise | foobarry: gaah | 11:09 |
| knightwise | annoying | 11:09 |
| foobarry | lost it all | 11:12 |
| foobarry | could not recreate the partition | 11:12 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: there was a post by seb128 I think basically saying Oh come on Windows Devs I can't believe you have never come across a dual booting system | 11:15 |
| foobarry | bit late now :( | 11:16 |
| foobarry | totally didn't expect a windows update to trash the system when the win10 upgrade didnt | 11:16 |
| foobarry | never again. ever | 11:16 |
| foobarry | VM only from now on for windows | 11:16 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: meh I have it on a separate box for testing only so I don't care :) | 11:17 |
| knightwise | foobarry: agree | 11:23 |
| knightwise | big win updates tend to love fracking around with the mbr | 11:23 |
| * knightwise hasnt dualbooted in years | 11:23 | |
| knightwise | why "choose" when your machine has enough juice to run it all | 11:24 |
| foobarry | because NAT faffing | 11:24 |
| knightwise | foobarry: that i concur | 11:24 |
| knightwise | when i want to do somethink like wifi sniffing and stuff , there are issues because its not running on bare metal | 11:25 |
| * knightwise needs to get a netbook for that | 11:25 | |
| knightwise | foobarry: but why nat , why not just bridge the adapters ? | 11:29 |
| foobarry | either way. a faff | 11:29 |
| foobarry | at least it was when i tried last | 11:29 |
| foobarry | i really don't like virtualbox either | 11:29 |
| knightwise | i'm playing around with some of the Kali tools and have noticed that some things dont work because i run them in a vm | 11:30 |
| foobarry | trying testdisk and then photorec as last resort | 11:33 |
| popey | erk | 11:33 |
| popey | that's unfortunate | 11:34 |
| popey | foobarry: were they all on one disk, partitions? | 11:34 |
| popey | I keep windows and ubuntu on separate disks, wonder if I am safe from this issue | 11:34 |
| foobarry | this is a laptop SSD | 11:34 |
| foobarry | really was not expected | 11:35 |
| popey | ah | 11:41 |
| popey | i did point out to seb128 that we have had a bug where ubuntu nukes the windows partition. maybe this was payback ㋛ | 11:42 |
| foobarry | :'( | 11:42 |
| foobarry | running photorec | 11:43 |
| foobarry | this all started because i wanted bash on windows | 11:44 |
| foobarry | but is gonna bite all dual booters i expect | 11:44 |
| foobarry | i only ran the anniv update, thats it | 11:44 |
| knightwise | foobarry: looks like it treats it as a complete new version of windows | 11:59 |
| knightwise | just got asked if I wanted to delete the "previous version" of windows to free up space | 12:00 |
| popey | directhex: ^ | 12:26 |
| foobarry | knightwise: didn't ask me that | 12:27 |
| foobarry | but glad u got the option:D | 12:27 |
| knightwise | previous version was 21 gig | 12:34 |
| * knightwise only has a 128 gig ssd | 12:34 | |
| * brmbrmcar only has a 9 gig ssd | 12:35 | |
| knightwise | brmbrmcar: thats tight | 12:38 |
| popey | foobarry: any luck with photorec? | 13:00 |
| foobarry | the screensaver went on the livecd and i can't ctrl-alt-f1 but the disk is going | 13:01 |
| foobarry | so i will leave it a few hrs | 13:01 |
| foobarry | what a disaster | 13:01 |
| foobarry | even resetting the partition in fdisk didn't work. | 13:01 |
| foobarry | somehow it trashed it totally | 13:02 |
| foobarry | and no partition info found | 13:02 |
| foobarry | listening to this song to cheer me up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QQ7HYYdWw | 13:02 |
| knightwise | foobarry: crud man :' | 13:10 |
| diddledan_ | nice tune tho | 13:11 |
| popey | hah, not the most cheery thing I've heard today | 13:12 |
| foobarry | yet still evocative of a certain mood | 13:27 |
| SuperEngineer | Yahoo account list hacked. If [like me] you have a spam dump mail a/c with them - change password now. | 13:57 |
| foobarry | hmm maybe a flickr account | 13:57 |
| davmor2 | SuperEngineer: Yawho? | 13:57 |
| diddledan_ | yeah I need to change my password, and enable 2fa | 13:58 |
| SuperEngineer | agreed | 13:58 |
| diddledan_ | I'm getting better at turning-on 2fa in places | 13:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | didn't a security organisation just poo poo 2fa using sms recently? | 13:59 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: err, NIST. the National Institute of Science and Technology | 14:00 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: you can't get much bigger than NIST | 14:00 |
| diddledan_ | it's a really big deal over the pond IIRC | 14:00 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: yes you can it's easy watch NISTXL | 14:00 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 14:01 |
| diddledan_ | apparently it's common in the states for banks to assume SMS is secure enough to send authentication codes via | 14:01 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: add more X's and it gets bigger still :P | 14:01 |
| diddledan_ | diddledan_XXXL <-- that's me | 14:02 |
| diddledan_ | how do you pronounce the name "nguyen"? | 14:02 |
| foobarry | no google 2fa though :( | 14:03 |
| foobarry | wing | 14:03 |
| foobarry | diddledan_: allegedly | 14:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought it was pronounced noy-gu-nn | 14:03 |
| foobarry | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Nguyen_%28northern_dialect%29.ogg | 14:04 |
| diddledan_ | so. gwen? | 14:04 |
| SuperEngineer | I have 2Fa on all my accounts. factor 1.. type password, factor 2... darn, password too strong for me to get right when inputting ;-) | 14:10 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 14:10 |
| davmor2 | SuperEngineer: I have 4 factor on some of my accounts, your 2 plus getting it wrong again getting locked out of my account, contacting them for an unblock creating a new password that turns out to be the old password and crying in the corner | 14:12 |
| SuperEngineer | rofl | 14:13 |
| foobarry | recovered 121000 files with photorec | 14:22 |
| foobarry | don't think i'll bother | 14:22 |
| diddledan_ | foobarry: ouch | 14:22 |
| diddledan_ | foobarry: time to ditch windows for good? :-p | 14:22 |
| foobarry | yes, VM only for now. i only need it to deploy .ova files in vmware | 14:23 |
| popey | foobarry: so you need to nuke and re-install? | 14:23 |
| popey | waste of a day :( | 14:23 |
| foobarry | yeah | 14:24 |
| foobarry | feel sad today, but liberated tomorrow from dual boot i guess | 14:25 |
| * SuperEngineer hugs XP pc hidden in corner | 14:25 | |
| SuperEngineer | [and seldom used] | 14:25 |
| foobarry | testing new elementary beta 2 and the touchpad is like i have parkinsons | 14:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | apart from being part of botnet of course... :-) | 14:27 |
| foobarry | but the nipple mouse is stable :S | 14:27 |
| SuperEngineer | ... seems the only time I start my XP machine [with a dual boot on it] is to update Ubuntu Mate... you don't always know when that big hardware fail is around the corner - & it keeps my smug smile smug ;-) | 14:28 |
| diddledan_ | don't go to blackhat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0q3rhB7iQ | 14:37 |
| foobarry | seems to be bug 1272624 | 14:40 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1272624 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Dell Latitude E7440] 14.04 Touchpad causing mouse pointer to spuriously jump around screen" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272624 | 14:40 |
| diddledan_ | http://xkcd.com/1105/ | 14:40 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: did i share my latest Hitman escapade? ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVbt4IVkcNY | 15:21 |
| diddledan_ | more disappearing folk? | 15:22 |
| daftykins | nope! normal play this time | 15:22 |
| brmbrmcar | knightwise: Yeah, it's a struggle... | 15:35 |
| daftykins | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4vw21h/massive_psa_do_not_download_classic_shell_read/ | 16:53 |
| daftykins | ooooh dear | 16:53 |
| DJones | Saw that earlier, think its been sorted out now | 16:54 |
| daftykins | could be, nasty one though | 16:54 |
| DJones | Was also supposed to be affecting audacity | 16:54 |
| daftykins | hmm, i sent a local trade website seller a list of questions and when he finally replied, he ignored them all - then i asked again and he replied to half | 17:06 |
| daftykins | email can be so rubbish | 17:06 |
| Seeker` | I'm not sure that's emails fault. | 17:11 |
| popey | people can be so rubbish | 17:11 |
| * popey wanders off to shoot some of them in Rust | 17:11 | |
| daftykins | Seeker`: as a medium, it's legitimate to refer to the common failings of people making use of it | 17:12 |
| daftykins | but sure if you really want to slice the hairs some more, the people at the other end... | 17:12 |
| daftykins | ali1234: i found you in the wild! and right you are - http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/SSDs-and-Secure-Erase/ta-p/112580 | 17:14 |
| daftykins | haven't been experiencing some similar woes with MX100s have you? | 17:14 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: ali1234: that crucial thread is weird. I mean what's wrong with blkdiscard or fstrim? | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | windows? | 19:56 |
| diddledan_ | obviously those are loonicks commands but there must be equivalents | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | the windows equivalent is a 500mb java app that installs it's own webserver and then you connect to it through your browser | 19:57 |
| diddledan_ | err | 19:57 |
| diddledan_ | wat? | 19:57 |
| diddledan_ | that's nucking futs | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | it's called micro storage executive | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | *micron | 19:58 |
| diddledan_ | I believe this sums that crazyness up: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/173/575/25810.jpg | 19:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | some one took the duck race one step too far... | 20:00 |
| diddledan_ | I read the word "wat" and imagine rubber-ducky-squeek making the noise of the word | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | it gets better. MSE works on linux too | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | crucial rebrands it | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | there's also a command line version of MSE for linux | 20:02 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | but crucial do not rebrand that one | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | but it works fine anyway | 20:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's why is a java app i suppose | 20:02 |
| daftykins | well i've been browsing around because there's a bug in the MX100 firmware they're not going to fix | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah my MX100 died | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | that's why i was on there | 20:03 |
| daftykins | anyone in warranty they're just giving an MX200 instead, won't work on it | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | yep same | 20:03 |
| daftykins | the tech support guy was chatting rubbish to me today claiming the 200 is all better and superior, but it's rubbish too! | 20:03 |
| daftykins | very poor | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | it's pretty much exactly the same | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | what's the bug? | 20:03 |
| daftykins | anywho i found my issues on Windows were fixed by enabling hot plug on the port, but that's not on every system | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | when mine died there wasn't a known unfixed bug | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | oh the hot plug thing | 20:04 |
| daftykins | oh it's just my assumption really, there's no 'proof' | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | mine totally died | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | like first it went read only | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | then it wouldn't even read | 20:04 |
| daftykins | you can get drive disappearances that can be rectified with a few power cycles i think | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | i tried all that | 20:04 |
| daftykins | i'll type it up in a mo anywho, just made food :) | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | i read allllllll the things | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | nothing worked, it was totally dead jim | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | so i RMA'd it | 20:05 |
| daftykins | nasty | 20:05 |
| daftykins | MX200 been working ok? | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | not used it yet | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | i have two drives: my current install and my previous install | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | the one that died was my previous install | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | so next time i do a fresh install it will go on the MX200 | 20:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | fingers crossed it lasts... | 20:06 |
| daftykins | so depending upon AHCI driver under Windows 10, the drive would either cause BSODs if it were the OS drive - or an entire freeze of the OS (mouse pointer still moving) if it were a slave drive | 20:06 |
| daftykins | *or* it would disappear :D | 20:07 |
| daftykins | since i turned hot plug on on that port though, it's been fine | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah i read about that one | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | i already had hotplug turned on | 20:07 |
| daftykins | nah yours sounds a totally separate issue for sure, mines SMART data is pretty much ok | 20:08 |
| ali1234 | and the drive never actually disappeared. it just wouldn't respond - at all - to any ATA commands that involve reading the disk | 20:08 |
| daftykins | mmm could be what mine would get into during the freezes | 20:08 |
| daftykins | the freeze was with the iastor MS provided driver, disappearance was with intel's AHCI driver | 20:08 |
| daftykins | before i got onto playing with drivers and hotplug i was disabling HIPM and DIPM via registry edits in Windows | 20:09 |
| daftykins | that might have prolonged the times before incident but it still hung around | 20:09 |
| daftykins | does seem Crucial want to just misdirect folk experiencing it though | 20:10 |
| daftykins | i've got an RMA setup but i called in saying i wasn't happy getting a 500GB drive to replace a 512GB :D "sorry sir but we're not giving MX300s out right now" | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | you can change the overprovisioning if you want :) | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | that's the only difference afaik | 20:12 |
| daftykins | he reckoned the MX300 525GB isn't showing up yet | 20:12 |
| daftykins | well the MX200 has a small SLC cache it uses to make writes appear faster before transferring them later during idle time | 20:13 |
| daftykins | s/them/the newly written data/ | 20:13 |
| daftykins | they diddled the drive specs! | 20:14 |
| diddledan_ | I had nothing to do with it! | 20:15 |
| daftykins | =] | 20:15 |
| daftykins | a likely story | 20:15 |
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