[06:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:38] <knightwise> Behold ! For I have entered the realm of Linux via the Bash environment running onto my Windows 10 machine
[06:38] <knightwise> All hail the aniversary update and lets praise it for allowing us to finally apt-get update ... IN WINDOWS :)
[06:39] <knightwise> What can I say , i'm easily amused
[06:44] <knightwise> although there does seem to be an issue with scrolling
[06:49] <zmoylan-pi> if microsoft had of been truly up to their usual standards they should have gone with yum instead of apt just to be a little wrong... :-P
[06:50] <knightwise> true
[06:50] <knightwise> :)
[06:51] <knightonWin> there where apparently some redraw issues with the SSH window I had
[06:52] <knightonWin> Checking if this is the case too when i run the irssi nativelyt
[07:47] <knightwise> Hmm.
[07:48] <knightwise> so that terminal still needs some work :)
[08:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:10] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[08:15] <foobarry> knightwise: works in teh std win 10 yet? or the beta/preview thing
[08:17] <knightwise> Stadnard
[08:17] <knightwise> since the anniversary update
[08:30] <foobarry> oh, time to boot the vsphereOS for the first time in months then
[08:30] <foobarry> i only need it to deploy ovfs in vmware
[08:35] <SuperEngineer> Does anybody here play Goat Simulator [via Steam] on their Ubuntu pc?  If so, tried it lately?  Does it still work?
[08:39] <foobarry> i get this every time i boot windows after running linux http://imgur.com/a/8i5Ro
[08:39] <foobarry> then windows works the 2nd time
[08:49] <foobarry> knightwise: still not there on my copy
[08:49] <foobarry> looking for "windows subsystem for linux"
[08:52] <foobarry> hmm 1511 build 10586
[08:52] <foobarry> looks like the old windows update restart update restart repeat
[08:53] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: "linux subsystem for windows" perhaps?
[08:53] <foobarry> don't think i have the correct build number yet
[08:54] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: thats the one
[08:54] <knightwise> You have to switch to developer mode first
[08:54] <foobarry> done that
[08:54] <knightwise> then add the linux subsystem for windows
[08:54] <foobarry> not an option
[08:54] <foobarry> in the list of windows features
[08:54] <knightwise> http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
[08:55] <knightwise> Then you dontg have the anniversary update yet
[08:56] <SuperEngineer> Have you tried turning it off & back on again?  :-D
[08:57] <foobarry> yep
[08:58] <SuperEngineer> well Sir, if you repeat the update/restart process another 280 times, you should then see it"  :-D
[08:58] <foobarry> i think so
[09:03] <foobarry> sigh it wants 20GB free space
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Watermelon Day! 😃 🍉
[09:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: think this covers it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dAy9u0_9nM
[09:16] <SuperMatt> It's also new comic book day, but that's every wednesday
[09:19] <knightwise> foobarry: thats a lot just for the upgrade
[09:32] <foobarry> its cooking my fans too
[09:32] <foobarry> and is a lie
[10:45] <foobarry> anniversary update totally hosed my grub
[10:46] <SuperMatt> of course
[11:01] <foobarry> utterly shagged
[11:02] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/655011/windows-10-upgrade-kills-grub-and-boot-repair-doesnt-help
[11:06] <foobarry> its deleted my ubuntu partitions
[11:09] <knightwise> foobarry: gaah
[11:09] <knightwise> annoying
[11:12] <foobarry> lost it all
[11:12] <foobarry> could not recreate the partition
[11:15] <davmor2> foobarry: there was a post by seb128 I think basically saying Oh come on Windows Devs I can't believe you have never come across a dual booting system
[11:16] <foobarry> bit late now :(
[11:16] <foobarry> totally didn't expect a windows update to trash the system when the win10 upgrade didnt
[11:16] <foobarry> never again. ever
[11:16] <foobarry> VM only from now on for windows
[11:17] <davmor2> foobarry: meh I have it on a separate box for testing only so I don't care :)
[11:23] <knightwise> foobarry: agree
[11:23] <knightwise> big win updates tend to love fracking around with the mbr
[11:23]  * knightwise hasnt dualbooted in years
[11:24] <knightwise> why "choose" when your machine has enough juice to run it all
[11:24] <foobarry> because NAT faffing
[11:24] <knightwise> foobarry: that i concur
[11:25] <knightwise> when i want to do somethink like wifi sniffing and stuff , there are issues because its not running on bare metal
[11:25]  * knightwise needs to get a netbook for that 
[11:29] <knightwise> foobarry: but why nat , why not just bridge the adapters ?
[11:29] <foobarry> either way. a faff
[11:29] <foobarry> at least it was when i tried last
[11:29] <foobarry> i really don't like virtualbox either
[11:30] <knightwise> i'm playing around with some of the Kali tools and have noticed that some things dont work because i run them in a vm
[11:33] <foobarry> trying testdisk and then photorec as last resort
[11:33] <popey> erk
[11:34] <popey> that's unfortunate
[11:34] <popey> foobarry: were they all on one disk, partitions?
[11:34] <popey> I keep windows and ubuntu on separate disks, wonder if I am safe from this issue
[11:34] <foobarry> this is a laptop SSD
[11:35] <foobarry> really was not expected
[11:41] <popey> ah
[11:42] <popey> i did point out to seb128 that we have had a bug where ubuntu nukes the windows partition. maybe this was payback ㋛
[11:42] <foobarry> :'(
[11:43] <foobarry> running photorec
[11:44] <foobarry> this all started because i wanted bash on windows
[11:44] <foobarry> but is gonna bite all dual booters i expect
[11:44] <foobarry> i only ran the anniv update, thats it
[11:59] <knightwise> foobarry: looks like it treats it as a complete new version of windows
[12:00] <knightwise> just got asked if I wanted to delete the "previous version" of windows to free up space
[12:26] <popey> directhex: ^
[12:27] <foobarry> knightwise: didn't ask me that
[12:27] <foobarry> but glad u got the option:D
[12:34] <knightwise> previous version was 21 gig
[12:34]  * knightwise only has a 128 gig ssd
[12:35]  * brmbrmcar only has a 9 gig ssd
[12:38] <knightwise> brmbrmcar: thats tight
[13:00] <popey> foobarry: any luck with photorec?
[13:01] <foobarry> the screensaver went on the livecd and i can't ctrl-alt-f1 but the disk is going
[13:01] <foobarry> so i will leave it a few hrs
[13:01] <foobarry> what a disaster
[13:01] <foobarry> even resetting the partition in fdisk didn't work.
[13:02] <foobarry> somehow it trashed it totally
[13:02] <foobarry> and no partition info found
[13:02] <foobarry> listening to this song to cheer me up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QQ7HYYdWw
[13:10] <knightwise> foobarry: crud man :'
[13:11] <diddledan_> nice tune tho
[13:12] <popey> hah, not the most cheery thing I've heard today
[13:27] <foobarry> yet still evocative of a certain mood
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> Yahoo account list hacked.  If [like me] you have a spam dump mail a/c with them - change password now.
[13:57] <foobarry> hmm maybe a flickr account
[13:57] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: Yawho?
[13:58] <diddledan_> yeah I need to change my password, and enable 2fa
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> agreed
[13:58] <diddledan_> I'm getting better at turning-on 2fa in places
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> didn't a security organisation just poo poo 2fa using sms recently?
[14:00] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: err, NIST. the National Institute of Science and Technology
[14:00] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: you can't get much bigger than NIST
[14:00] <diddledan_> it's a really big deal over the pond IIRC
[14:00] <davmor2> diddledan_: yes you can it's easy watch NISTXL
[14:01] <diddledan_> lol
[14:01] <diddledan_> apparently it's common in the states for banks to assume SMS is secure enough to send authentication codes via
[14:01] <davmor2> diddledan_: add more X's and it gets bigger still :P
[14:02] <diddledan_> diddledan_XXXL <-- that's me
[14:02] <diddledan_> how do you pronounce the name "nguyen"?
[14:03] <foobarry> no google 2fa though :(
[14:03] <foobarry> wing
[14:03] <foobarry> diddledan_: allegedly
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was pronounced noy-gu-nn
[14:04] <foobarry> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Nguyen_%28northern_dialect%29.ogg
[14:04] <diddledan_> so. gwen?
[14:10] <SuperEngineer> I have 2Fa on all my accounts.  factor 1.. type password, factor 2... darn, password too strong for me to get right when inputting ;-)
[14:10] <diddledan_> lol
[14:12] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: I have 4 factor on some of my accounts, your 2 plus getting it wrong again getting locked out of my account, contacting them for an unblock creating a new password that turns out to be the old password and crying in the corner
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> rofl
[14:22] <foobarry> recovered 121000 files with photorec
[14:22] <foobarry> don't think i'll bother
[14:22] <diddledan_> foobarry: ouch
[14:22] <diddledan_> foobarry: time to ditch windows for good? :-p
[14:23] <foobarry> yes, VM only for now. i only need it to deploy .ova files in vmware
[14:23] <popey> foobarry: so you need to nuke and re-install?
[14:23] <popey> waste of a day :(
[14:24] <foobarry> yeah
[14:25] <foobarry> feel sad today, but liberated tomorrow from dual boot i guess
[14:25]  * SuperEngineer hugs XP pc hidden in corner
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> [and seldom used]
[14:27] <foobarry> testing new elementary beta 2 and the touchpad is like i have parkinsons
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> apart from being part of botnet of course... :-)
[14:27] <foobarry> but the nipple mouse is stable :S
[14:28] <SuperEngineer> ... seems the only time I start my XP machine [with a dual boot on it] is to update Ubuntu Mate... you don't always know when that big hardware fail is around the corner - & it keeps my smug smile smug ;-)
[14:37] <diddledan_> don't go to blackhat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0q3rhB7iQ
[14:40] <foobarry> seems to be bug 1272624
[14:40] <diddledan_> http://xkcd.com/1105/
[15:21] <daftykins> diddledan_: did i share my latest Hitman escapade? ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVbt4IVkcNY
[15:22] <diddledan_> more disappearing folk?
[15:22] <daftykins> nope! normal play this time
[15:35] <brmbrmcar> knightwise: Yeah, it's a struggle...
[16:53] <daftykins> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4vw21h/massive_psa_do_not_download_classic_shell_read/
[16:53] <daftykins> ooooh dear
[16:54] <DJones> Saw that earlier, think its been sorted out now
[16:54] <daftykins> could be, nasty one though
[16:54] <DJones> Was also supposed to be affecting audacity
[17:06] <daftykins> hmm, i sent a local trade website seller a list of questions and when he finally replied, he ignored them all - then i asked again and he replied to half
[17:06] <daftykins> email can be so rubbish
[17:11] <Seeker`> I'm not sure that's emails fault.
[17:11] <popey> people can be so rubbish
[17:11]  * popey wanders off to shoot some of them in Rust
[17:12] <daftykins> Seeker`: as a medium, it's legitimate to refer to the common failings of people making use of it
[17:12] <daftykins> but sure if you really want to slice the hairs some more, the people at the other end...
[17:14] <daftykins> ali1234: i found you in the wild! and right you are - http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/SSDs-and-Secure-Erase/ta-p/112580
[17:14] <daftykins> haven't been experiencing some similar woes with MX100s have you?
[19:56] <diddledan_> daftykins: ali1234: that crucial thread is weird. I mean what's wrong with blkdiscard or fstrim?
[19:56] <ali1234> windows?
[19:56] <diddledan_> obviously those are loonicks commands but there must be equivalents
[19:57] <ali1234> the windows equivalent is a 500mb java app that installs it's own webserver and then you connect to it through your browser
[19:57] <diddledan_> err
[19:57] <diddledan_> wat?
[19:57] <diddledan_> that's nucking futs
[19:57] <ali1234> it's called micro storage executive
[19:58] <ali1234> *micron
[19:58] <diddledan_> I believe this sums that crazyness up: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/173/575/25810.jpg
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> some one took the duck race one step too far...
[20:01] <diddledan_> I read the word "wat" and imagine rubber-ducky-squeek making the noise of the word
[20:02] <ali1234> it gets better. MSE works on linux too
[20:02] <ali1234> crucial rebrands it
[20:02] <ali1234> there's also a command line version of MSE for linux
[20:02] <daftykins> :)
[20:02] <ali1234> but crucial do not rebrand that one
[20:02] <ali1234> but it works fine anyway
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> that's why is a java app i suppose
[20:02] <daftykins> well i've been browsing around because there's a bug in the MX100 firmware they're not going to fix
[20:02] <ali1234> yeah my MX100 died
[20:03] <ali1234> that's why i was on there
[20:03] <daftykins> anyone in warranty they're just giving an MX200 instead, won't work on it
[20:03] <ali1234> yep same
[20:03] <daftykins> the tech support guy was chatting rubbish to me today claiming the 200 is all better and superior, but it's rubbish too!
[20:03] <daftykins> very poor
[20:03] <ali1234> it's pretty much exactly the same
[20:03] <ali1234> what's the bug?
[20:03] <daftykins> anywho i found my issues on Windows were fixed by enabling hot plug on the port, but that's not on every system
[20:03] <ali1234> when mine died there wasn't a known unfixed bug
[20:04] <ali1234> oh the hot plug thing
[20:04] <daftykins> oh it's just my assumption really, there's no 'proof'
[20:04] <ali1234> mine totally died
[20:04] <ali1234> like first it went read only
[20:04] <ali1234> then it wouldn't even read
[20:04] <daftykins> you can get drive disappearances that can be rectified with a few power cycles i think
[20:04] <ali1234> i tried all that
[20:04] <daftykins> i'll type it up in a mo anywho, just made food :)
[20:04] <ali1234> i read allllllll the things
[20:04] <ali1234> nothing worked, it was totally dead jim
[20:05] <ali1234> so i RMA'd it
[20:05] <daftykins> nasty
[20:05] <daftykins> MX200 been working ok?
[20:05] <ali1234> not used it yet
[20:05] <ali1234> i have two drives: my current install and my previous install
[20:05] <ali1234> the one that died was my previous install
[20:06] <ali1234> so next time i do a fresh install it will go on the MX200
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed it lasts...
[20:06] <daftykins> so depending upon AHCI driver under Windows 10, the drive would either cause BSODs if it were the OS drive - or an entire freeze of the OS (mouse pointer still moving) if it were a slave drive
[20:07] <daftykins> *or* it would disappear :D
[20:07] <daftykins> since i turned hot plug on on that port though, it's been fine
[20:07] <ali1234> yeah i read about that one
[20:07] <ali1234> i already had hotplug turned on
[20:08] <daftykins> nah yours sounds a totally separate issue for sure, mines SMART data is pretty much ok
[20:08] <ali1234> and the drive never actually disappeared. it just wouldn't respond - at all - to any ATA commands that involve reading the disk
[20:08] <daftykins> mmm could be what mine would get into during the freezes
[20:08] <daftykins> the freeze was with the iastor MS provided driver, disappearance was with intel's AHCI driver
[20:09] <daftykins> before i got onto playing with drivers and hotplug i was disabling HIPM and DIPM via registry edits in Windows
[20:09] <daftykins> that might have prolonged the times before incident but it still hung around
[20:10] <daftykins> does seem Crucial want to just misdirect folk experiencing it though
[20:11] <daftykins> i've got an RMA setup but i called in saying i wasn't happy getting a 500GB drive to replace a 512GB :D "sorry sir but we're not giving MX300s out right now"
[20:12] <ali1234> you can change the overprovisioning if you want :)
[20:12] <ali1234> that's the only difference afaik
[20:12] <daftykins> he reckoned the MX300 525GB isn't showing up yet
[20:13] <daftykins> well the MX200 has a small SLC cache it uses to make writes appear faster before transferring them later during idle time
[20:13] <daftykins> s/them/the newly written data/
[20:14] <daftykins> they diddled the drive specs!
[20:15] <diddledan_> I had nothing to do with it!
[20:15] <daftykins> =]
[20:15] <daftykins> a likely story