[00:22] <xubuntu98w> im trying to download xubuntu for the first timeand I am having issues. once I start the virtualbox with storage pointed to the .iso the screen loads then goes green. I never get to the installation screen. does anyone know what my issue is? I am trying to learn Linux for the first time
[05:38] <insidious> Anyone know easy way to install themes for xubuntu... like how to add the folders etc
[05:38] <insidious> because it tells me i cant move the files because i dont have permissions.
[05:40] <Unit193> Why not use ~/.themes/ ?
[05:40] <insidious> yeah how to i move the folder over?
[05:40] <insidious> when i try to move them to that
[05:40] <insidious> tells me permisson denied.
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> Hi, guys
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> I've recently upgraded to xubuntu 16.04 and my panels are behaving strangely
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> I had a vertical panel and the text on the buttons and applets was vertical
[09:11] <xubuntu93w> after the upgrade everything is horizontal unless I hover the mouse
[09:11] <xubuntu93w> tried deleting the panel and building it again, but I'm not that lucky, apparently
[12:55] <xubuntu26i> hi
[12:56] <xubuntu26i> como podria conectar mi auricular a2dp?
[13:37] <FernandoBasso> xubuntu93w: What if you mv your ~/.config/xfce4 away and start with a fresh config?
[13:47] <GeekDude> It seems that libtopmenu-qt just isn't a thing anymore. I can't find build instructions for 16.04 or a working build anywhere
[14:47] <Codfection> hello
[14:47] <Codfection> xubuntu or ubuntu. confused.
[14:48] <Tlin> Hi guys. I have a small problem with xubuntu connected to a monitor and a TV. During login, the login dialog only appears on my TV but the TV is normally switched off -> no login screen on my monitor. If I move the mouse to the right side far enough, the login screen appears on my monitor. How can I get xubuntu to display the login dialog on the correct monitor by default (or on all screens like in the old versions?)
[14:50] <Pici> Codfection: confused about what?
[14:50] <Codfection> which one to choose
[14:50] <Codfection> will I loose packages or developers tools in xubuntu as compared to ubuntu
[15:02] <Pici> Codfection: nope, all the Ubuntu flavors share the same repositiories, so you can intall whatever you want on either
[15:02] <Pici> (sorry for lat reply, kinda busy here)
[15:07] <Codfection> Pici, which one are you using :)
[15:08] <Pici> Codfection: I use xubuntu, but I don't do a lot of desktop work.  Nearly everything is done in a terminal.
[15:08] <GridCube> Tlin: while both the monitor and the tv are on go to the monitor settings page and move the main monitor to the left
[15:09] <GridCube> Tlin: then do this http://askubuntu.com/questions/360886/personalize-monitor-position-before-login
[15:26] <xubuntu75w> hello
[15:26] <xubuntu75w> can anyone help me?
[15:30] <Tlin> GridCube: Tanks for the reply. There is no .config/monitors.xml in my home folder. Do I miss something? Maybe the path changed?
[15:31] <GridCube> mmm
[15:31] <GridCube> it has to be somewhere
[15:32] <GridCube> Tlin: do a locate monitors.xml
[15:32] <Tlin> Nothing found
[15:34] <Tlin> GridCube: But I get this right: Turn both screens on, go to Menu->Settings->Display, move the TV to the right, click apply.
[15:34] <GridCube> yeah
[15:34] <GridCube> you make the left screen the main one
[15:35] <Tlin> GridCube: Okay, I did this, but there is no config file. Maybe it got renamed or something?
[15:35] <GridCube> i don't know, sorry
[15:41] <Tlin> GridCube: Thank you. Maybe some else has a clue where monitors.xml moved in XUbunut 16.04?
[16:03] <xubuntu52w> Hi... I just downloaded xubuntu,and thig I need is to instal skype. What version f Skype I can use?
[16:42] <xangua> Tlin: you can install Skype from software boutique after enabling the partner repository
[16:42] <xangua> ! Partner
[17:15] <GeekDude> I've moved a physical installation into a VirtualBox virtual machine. It boots to TTY1, then a few seconds later it goes to a blank console with a flashing cursor. I think it's trying to use the proprietary physical gpu drivers to boot into X, and I'm not sure how to disable that
[17:31] <Codfection> ubuntu xubuntu lubuntu kubuntu dubuntu
[17:31] <Codfection> which one is good?
[17:37] <GeekDude> All of them? Never heard of dubuntu
[17:38] <flocculant> Codfection: trry them all - make a decision, personally xubuntu - but imagine that in an xubuntu channel
[17:39] <Codfection> actually I have tried xfce in arch and really liked it
[17:39] <Codfection> but want it on more stable system so read about xubuntu
[17:40] <flocculant> so why ask about other de's?
[17:40] <flocculant> what were you expecting people to say :)
[17:40] <Codfection> xubuntu is lighter or ubuntu mate?
[17:40] <flocculant> if you want a more open discussion - #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:40] <Codfection> just wanna know is xubuntu lighter on system resources?
[17:40] <flocculant> Codfection: about the same I'd say
[17:40] <Codfection> oh ok
[17:41] <flocculant> Codfection: can't really answer that - don't use it
[17:41] <FernandoBasso> Xubuntu is the most sensible choice for a distro nowadays. Period. :D
[17:41] <Codfection> in #xfce people are recommending me arch with xfce for better experience
[17:42] <flocculant> and before this gets longer - this is a support channel for xubuntu - hence -offtopic
[17:42] <flocculant> Codfection: exactly :)
[17:42] <flocculant> go to #windows and ask their opinion :p
[17:44] <Codfection> this channel is not busy.. so why not ask here
[17:44] <Codfection> but anyway I am gonna try xubuntu. thanks :)
[17:46] <FernandoBasso> Also remember to try vim and emacs. :D
[17:46]  * FernandoBasso runs in fear for his life.
[17:46] <Codfection> why not IDE? FernandoBasso
[17:49] <FernandoBasso> Let's move to -offitopic. I don't want to get banned. It hurt my feelings the last time it happened.
[20:24] <puckz> GE! OK, I've done something stupid... In the menu newly installed software has been placed in sort order. If you look at https://ax25.org/files/Whisker.png you can see that when I installed Hexchat it worked properly. Then I made some changes... don't no what. When I this evening installed Mumble it was placed last in the list. What have I done? Thankful for any help!
[20:56] <GeekDude> puckz: what's the problem? I don't understand. You can click and drag icons around in there, and use right click to add/remove/sort them
[20:58] <GeekDude> Transmission is at the top of the list, which wouldn't be alphabetical order
[20:59] <pjotter> Hi everybody. I was just wondering: Why do some applications look so different than most other applications in 16.04? Like: Software center and Catfish for example. They look they have completly other windows managers than all other applications? Is there a way to change that?
[21:05] <knome> pjotter, that's because they are gtk3, not gtk2. and no, there is no way to change that.
[21:06] <pjotter> Ok
[21:06] <knome> pjotter, fwiw, whole xfce (and pretty much any app in the gtk land) should be migrating to gtk3 sooner or later, so at that point everything should look the same
[21:06] <pjotter> So, there is no gtk3 windows manager or something I can add to the system?
[21:07] <knome> if you are using greybird, you are already having one of the most unified looks you can achieve at the moment
[21:08] <pjotter> I using a different theme with kokodi.
[21:08] <knome> either case, there's really not much you can do.
[21:08] <knome> gtk3 apps *will* look different no matter what you do.
[21:08] <pjotter> Just curious though: How come Catfish looked ok in 14.04 and not in 16.04 anymore?
[21:08] <knome> catfish is ported to gtk3 between that time.
[21:08] <pjotter> ah ok
[21:09] <knome> so as i said, everything should slowly convert to gtk3
[21:09] <pjotter> So, reverting back to the old catfish could be a sollution?
[21:09] <knome> i can't recommend that, but sure, you'd get the gtk2 look
[21:10] <pjotter> alright. I will do that. SOftware centre is not much of a problem really as I mainly use Synaptic for installing apps.
[21:10] <knome> please note that then you will be left with all bugs in the gtk2 version.
[21:10] <knome> and practically no support.
[21:11] <pjotter> I'll glady accept those bug in favour of nicer looking windows :D
[21:11] <knome> one more disclaimer:
[21:11] <knome> you can run but you can't hide. the gtk3 stuff is landing everywhere.
[21:12] <pjotter> Well, I just need something that works. These windows have no borders, look very confusing in my theme and can;t be scaled and such. It;s rewally not an option atm.
[21:12] <knome> if they have no borders, it's likely a bug
[21:12] <knome> do they have borders with other themes?
[21:13] <pjotter> Let me check..
[21:13] <knome> the most sound way to check that is to change both the gtk theme and the window border theme to greybird
[21:13] <pjotter> Yes, greybird has tiny borders
[21:13] <knome> ok... and kokodi doesn't have any borders at all?
[21:14] <pjotter> Well, kokodi has borders. That;s the reason I always select kokodi: for the nice thick clickable borders.
[21:15] <knome> but you say your windows do not have borders
[21:15] <knome> do they have them or not?
[21:15] <pjotter> Only when I select greybird.
[21:16] <pjotter> No wait.. Adwaita has borders too (this is themes I am talking about, not windows manager themes)\
[21:16] <knome> okay
[21:16] <knome> then the bug is in your theme
[21:16] <knome> eg. kokodi
[21:16] <pjotter> Well, no not really.
[21:16] <knome> no?
[21:17] <knome> if both greybird and adwaita show themes with gtk3 apps and kokodi doesn't, how could the bug be somewhere else?
[21:17] <pjotter> Cganing wndows manager theme does nothing to those applications. Only changing theme does.
[21:17] <knome> ok, so with what theme do you not have the borders?
[21:18] <pjotter> Numix doesn;t appear to have borders
[21:18] <knome> then the bug is in numix
[21:19] <pjotter> Probably.This is the Numix that come standard with installation though.
[21:19] <knome> yeah... unfortunately we couldn't make our ISO bugfree ;)
[21:20] <knome> maybe somebody suggested this to you already, but you could download the latest numix version online, and use that
[21:20] <pjotter> Well, I actually use another theme right now
[21:20] <knome> as far as i know, numix should generally have good gtk3 support
[21:20] <knome> other themes might not
[21:20] <pjotter> Like Numix it also gives no borders in those gtk3 apps
[21:21] <knome> if they don't have borders, then you need to be in touch with the theme developers
[21:21] <pjotter> I understand
[21:21] <knome> chances are that they aren't really maintaining the themes any more though
[21:21] <knome> fixing theme issues like that by downgrading packages isn't really a sound workaround.
[21:21] <pjotter> One day I'll create my own supertheme.
[21:22] <knome> once gtk3 is more static, and widely used by apps, that should be "a bit" easier than now
[21:22] <knome> but i'm looking forward to it. there's never enough good themes around (even if i don't want to use them myself..)
[21:23] <pjotter> Maybe I'll chack in once in a while to see how the gtk3 thing is coming along. But in the meanwhile I just need a workable system and those apps really don;t work well as they are right now.
[21:23] <knome> the workable system is to use a theme that supports gtk3
[21:23] <pjotter> Well, do you have a suggestion?
[21:24] <knome> greybird or adwaita OOTB, or numix from its repository
[21:24] <knome> there might be others, but these are the ones i know
[21:24] <knome> adwaita specifically, as it's the default theme for gtk3 - it's actually built in in it.
[21:25] <knome> but greybird in xubuntu always has good support too, as the xubuntu/shimmer team is committed to keep it working
[21:26] <Unit193> There's that Arc theme.
[21:26] <pjotter> So you would suggest Graybird as theme and also as windows manager?
[21:26] <pjotter> Greybird
[21:26] <knome> pjotter, if greybird as the gtk theme and something else as the windows manager theme works, then that should be fine
[21:27] <knome> but greybird and greybird is the xubuntu-supported pair.
[21:27] <knome> (it's the default too, that's why it's kept in shape)
[21:29] <pjotter> I understand. One thing I don't understand about that is why does greybiord has such thin borders? Many apps can be resized by clicking and dragging the borders. But with borders of one pixel it is very hard to actually click on that. That's the main reason I don't use greybird.
[21:29] <knome>  http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[21:29] <knome> that's still accurate..
[21:29] <knome> well, in most part.
[21:32] <pjotter> So, there are all sorts of ways to resize windows, but the most obvious one (clicking grabbing borders) is left out? I understand there are more ways to resize windows but resizing by clicking dragging windowsborders are much faster/intuitve than most of the mentioned sollutions, not?
[21:32] <knome> depends really.
[21:39] <pjotter> Unfortunately the alt-right click method doens't work well with a wacom tablet I use...
[21:39] <pjotter> O wait.. now it does :D
[21:40] <pjotter> (pushed the wrong button)