=== Zren_ is now known as Zren === YankDownUnder is now known as YDU_napping === lab16 is now known as Mini [05:21] Not too sure if this channel really supports it but does anyone know how the 5.7 backport is going and if it will be released any time soon ? [07:24] Hi, am I live [07:24] ? [07:24] I need some help with configuring content filtering [07:24] Anybody home? [07:25] Hi, edamrose, can you see me? [07:25] Hello? [07:39] google earth crashing on Kubuntu 16.04 [07:51] Good morning. [08:00] Hi lordie [08:04] This is not a very helpful channel [08:17] you can't expect people to sit here to wait for your request. [08:17] Some work, or sleep or do other things :} [08:18] or quit when they don't get a prompt response... [08:34] Yeah, in my opinion, with the right timing, this can be a very helpful channel. [09:59] Sorry my wifi died. What's up lordievader? [10:55] Vorap: hiho, any questions ? [11:11] 'Morning folks [11:15] Oh, sorry soee, didn't relize I was typing in the wrong channel, that was meant to go to #kubuntu-offtopic :P [12:36] Morning :) [12:44] Ḿorning konrados [12:49] Oh, well I had a question but solved my problem :) [12:52] good, but Iḿ curious , what was your issue? [12:55] konrados ^ [12:56] BluesKaj_ I'm a newbie in Ubuntu, I have ~/bin in my PATH environment and I tried to start a test.sh script (which is there) without anything, i.e. I entered test.sh - wasn't working, then I recalled I have to do something like bash test.sh [12:58] try: ./test.sh [12:58] if test is not in ~/bin - it won't start. [12:58] Also, the shell-script needs to have: #!/bin/sh as its first line [12:58] Smurphy, BluesKaj_ thanks, but I'm not in this directory, I'm in / [12:58] where is test.sh ? [12:59] in ~/bin [12:59] then test.sh should work. [12:59] This dir is in my PATH env variable [12:59] sec... [12:59] Did you make it executable ??? chmod 755 ~/bin/test.sh [13:00] Smurphy, I forgot that ^ :( as I said I'm a newbie, thank you! [13:02] ;) no worries. Everyonme has to start somewhere :) [13:02] Thanks, I feel better now :) [13:03] :) [13:09] ok sounds good ...setting up a .bashrc _aliases file on 16.10 [13:14] actually .bash_aliases [13:17] yes. I ahve an alias that is verffy handy... [13:17] alias sclean='sudo rm -fv .*~ *~ *.BAK *.tmp' [13:17] Alwyas have that one :) [13:17] type "clean" and all temp files are removed :D [13:22] cool [13:25] I use shortened commands for apt and a few others to update upgrade etc in the aliases file [13:27] I tend to write wrapper scripts, especially for git... :} [13:31] not much need for git here ...compiling isn´t my favourite pastime [13:43] Not compiling. Developing ;) [13:45] then you should join #kubuntu-devel and offer your services [14:01] hi [14:01] I'm using an SSD and Xorg takes _ages_ to start [14:01] is there any way I can get systemd to load xorg way earlier in the boot process? [14:01] (ie. instead of boot, boot, boot, xorg, sddm, do xorg, boot, boot, sddm) [14:02] since all xorg _by itself_ should need is localmount [14:02] like, xorg is actually the main slowdown in my boot process atm [14:02] afaics [14:03] like, I presume the "blinking cursor at the top left" phase is xorg loading [14:03] /initializing [14:05] it goes like, ":splash screen blinking:, text cursor top left that stays around for three seconds, sddm [14:05] *" [14:19] uhm , you mean grub takes 3 secs to load, feep ? [14:25] feep: What is the output of 'systemd-analyze'? [14:37] be back in a bit, gonna try converting to efi first in the hopes I can cut off the (much slower) bios part of the startup [15:01] feep, ?? if you have eufi then you don´t have bios, or vice versa [15:02] uefi even === tiaan is now known as yetta === Zren_ is now known as Zren [15:35] BluesKaj_: Uefi usually supports the legacy way too. [15:35] Hence those can switch. [15:36] BluesKaj_: yes that was the point, yes :p [15:36] yes, but itś not BIOSthatś to blame for his slow boot lordievader [15:36] didn't help sadly, this bios is too old to skip parts of itself when booting efi [15:36] I wish I could run coreboot :/ [15:37] BluesKaj_: actually bios is the slowest part of my boot :P [15:37] feep: So, could you answer my question? [15:37] feep if you efi , you don have bios [15:37] lordievader: nope, because I don't have access to the system right now (it's upstairs) [15:37] BluesKaj_: my bios disagrees :p [15:38] lordievader: but it says like four or five seconds in bootchart, which is outright wrong, there's a lot of sitting around waiting for .. something that bootchart doesn't show, I think [15:38] I suspect it's xorg startup when the login is already nominally running [15:38] Is that the output of systemd-analyze? [15:38] systemd-analyze plot, yes [15:39] afaics my delay isn't in there [15:39] Hi, guys. I have been trying to arrange my taskbar icons in Kubuntu but I cannot find out how I can do this. Could you please help on this. [15:39] I suspect it's because it only bothers with services up to login, and X is "started" at that point already [15:39] so there's nothing blocking on it from systemd's perspective [15:40] feep: Well you can ofcourse use 'systemd-analyze blame' to see which service is taking the longest to start. [15:40] lordievader: you don't understand [15:40] my services start fast [15:40] my _X_ starts slow. [15:40] habits: Unlock the taskbar first ;) [15:40] feep: X is still a service (started under sddm). [15:40] if X is starting but then hanging take a look in ~/.xsession-errors for clues [15:40] lordievader: yes, but there's a difference between "X has started" from systemd's perspective [15:40] and "X is usable" from the user's perspective [15:40] rattking: it's not hanging [15:41] it just takes five seconds to present a picture [15:41] lordievader: I unlocked it, but still I cannot change theiir order. [15:41] habits: which icons? [15:41] the system tray icons? [15:41] not the system tray, but the shortcuts which I placed in the taskar [15:41] habits: Panel options ->Panel Settings [15:41] ah [15:42] try pressing the button that appears at the end of your taskbar when you select "Unlock" [15:42] that should put it in edit mode [15:42] yes, I did that [15:42] and you still can't reorder them? [15:42] habits: Then you should be able to drag and drop. [15:43] lordievader: anyway, that's why I wanted _systemd_ to start X, not sddm [15:43] so that it'd get a headstart [15:44] feep: You want a bare X? [15:44] lordievader: no, I want sddm [15:44] to run when it currently does [15:44] ... in an X that was started earlier. [15:44] so that the Xorg can get a headstart on configuring the monitor while the rest of the services start. [15:44] Sounds like a lot of trouble for nothing, if you ask me. [15:45] sounds like a lot of trouble for possibly two or three seconds less during boot to me :p [15:45] anyway so it's not possible? [15:45] Perhaps if you write your own services... [15:45] ah, darn :/ [15:45] ah well, worth an ask [15:45] Writing services ain't difficult ;) [15:46] yeah but they tend to conflict with updates [15:46] I'll just wait for wayland and hope it starts faster [15:47] anyway thanks for trying tho [15:47] feep is your pc from 2009-2010 ?..understand some machine from that era had both, but itś news to me [15:47] BluesKaj_: 2012 or 2013ish I think [15:48] oh no, 2011 [15:48] hmm, interesting , an anomaly I guess [15:48] yeah they really halfassed the efi [15:48] the entire bios is barebones [15:49] * feep wants a coreboot :( [15:49] oh well === z_ is now known as ess === ess is now known as wertyu [16:59] test [17:10] i'm facing this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 [17:10] Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu Xenial) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,Fix released] [17:10] have tried installing all the packages that've been mentioned [17:11] but still no luck! [17:11] how can I debug? [17:11] i just want a way to start a hotspot so that i can send internet to my mobile devices [17:13] amsharma: Do you have two wireless nics? [17:14] huh? how do i find that? [17:19] amsharma: Or do you want to share the ethernet device? [17:19] i have a ppp device that provides internet to my laptop [17:20] i then create a Shared WiFi connection [17:20] amsharma: That works I suppose. [17:20] that my android devices can connect to [17:20] everything was working till about a week when i started seeing these errors [17:21] i can create a an adhoc hotspot [17:21] (one that has no security on it) [17:22] wait a minute, this is nice [17:22] i didn't know android devices could connect to adhoc networks too [17:22] so... things are working [17:23] but this has the obvious issue, that anyone can now use it [17:23] is there a way i can limit the network to some particular mac? [17:24] Johan says that he can still connect using the nmcli client rather than the gui one. [17:24] lordievader: link? [17:24] It is in your bug report. [17:24] oh found it [17:24] #13 [17:25] hm, but he hasn't provided a command sadly [17:25] do you know how i can connect via nmcli? [17:25] amsharma: nmcli ;) [17:25] as in the exact command :P [17:25] with arguments and all [17:26] * amsharma opens up man nmcli [17:26] amsharma: nmcli c up ?=> [17:27] oooooh noice [17:27] doesn't work [17:27] BUT [17:27] we have a better error message [17:27] Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network 'what'. [17:27] Warning: password for '802-11-wireless-security.psk' not given in 'passwd-file' and nmcli cannot ask without '--ask' option. [17:28] i suppose i should pass --ask [17:28] Yes [17:28] yay! [17:28] the connection got connected [17:28] Nice [17:28] let's try connecting the android [17:29] WORKED! [17:29] Good to hear :) [17:30] now we just need to figure out what the real problem is [17:30] The gui ;) [17:30] lordievader: any idea where this passwd-file is supposed to be? [17:30] oh, the GUI isn't actually reading the password field [17:31] Oh, you can set a (plaintext) passwd-file for nm to read. Or tell it to use the kwallet (<- I prefer this one). [17:31] The gui client probably gets it from the wallet. [17:32] kwallet is the kubuntu equivalent of osxkeychain? [17:32] Euhh... if osxkeychain holds passwords, then yes. [17:34] so, kde wallet manager says the wallet is closed etc. [17:35] where do i put that text file? [17:35] Pff, no idea. [17:35] or do i pass it as an arg? [17:35] https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/nmcli.html [17:35] found it! [17:35] let's try this... [17:37] lordievader: now that we're discussing all this, what is the difference between a connection name and an SSID? [17:37] (somewhere they call it BSSID) [17:37] :/ [17:38] A BSSID and an ESSID are different things ;) ESSID is usually seen as the connection name. [17:39] The BSSID is used to identify the networking gear. [17:39] You can have multiple BSSID's under one ESSID (in the case of a mesh network). [17:40] um, in layman terms, the connection name is what i'll use when passing to nmcli [17:41] and ssid is what android devices will see? [17:41] (or any other device for that matter) [17:42] amsharma: They should see the same thing, unless it is another network. [17:46] i can't get the passwd-file parameter to work [17:47] Afternoon folks, I'm having an issue with my shiny new kubuntu install. And that issue would be that I'm in initramfs and fstab has emptied itself [17:47] Other than that I dunno what else I can tell you guys. So my question is what is the best way to go about this? [17:49] Tundra_O1dDsktop: Do you have a non-traditional setup? [17:51] lordievader: What is meant by that? [17:51] I can tell you part by part what I have setup hardware wise if you want [17:53] Tundra_O1dDsktop, scroll down to "2 answers" here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120198/how-to-fix-boot-into-initramfs-prompt-and-mount-cant-read-etc-fstab-no-su [17:55] Alright BluesKaj , where would I set the parameter? At grub? [17:56] if you can get to grub then you should be able to boot into your new install, Tundra_O1dDsktop [17:57] BluesKaj: I get put into initramfs after grub [17:58] Why hello vroap, funny seeing you here [17:59] Hello tundra! Take this to #kubuntu-offtopic? [17:59] Sure if you'd like, or we can take it back to our chan [18:00] vroap: ^^ [18:00] Sure [18:00] :) [18:01] damn efi machines [18:02] BluesKaj: Yeah [18:02] Tundra_O1dDsktop: If you don't know, then you are running a traditional setup ;) [18:02] BluesKaj: So do I just provide the line from the first answer in a command line or what? [18:03] lordievader: Well I partially don't know cause I don't know what's considered "traditional" [18:03] Tundra_O1dDsktop: Anyhow, do you see your disks and can you mount them in the initrd? [18:03] Tundra_O1dDsktop: Traditional is whatever the installer does by default. [18:04] Tundra_O1dDsktop, on bios machines you can login to vt/tty do sudo blkid then add the entry to /etc/fstab with nano save the file and reboot [18:05] lordievader: you're gonna need to guide me a little more than that [18:05] Tundra_O1dDsktop: Do you see an sda in /dev? [18:06] BluesKaj: He is in the initrd... [18:06] BluesKaj: It doesn't boot to the full os. [18:07] I have sda sda1, sda2, and sda5 [18:08] Tundra_O1dDsktop: Do you happen to know which is the root? [18:08] Should be sda1 if I recall correctly [18:08] If you do I'd suggest to add 'root=/dev/sda1' to your kernel parameters and see if it continues booting. [18:10] Got to go, be back in a couple of hours. [18:10] lordievader, no kidding [18:10] lordievader: do I just add that line to the end of where I can edit to boot option in grub? [18:11] BluesKaj: would you be able to shed some light on that? [18:14] Tundra_O1dDsktop, I'm searching [18:29] Well, I've made progress [18:29] I can now boot to the OS ohwever there isn't a gui [18:29] *however [18:29] But its more than where I was [18:31] Tundra_O1dDsktop, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_parameters scroll down to systemd-boot, it tels you how to edit grub bt adding your root partition /dev/sdX to the boot paramter [18:31] BluesKaj: well, I can get it to boot now, but now I have other issues [18:32] BluesKaj: The GUI doesn't load and attempting to run apt-get update returns me alot of warnings about a read-only filesystem [18:34] BluesKaj: any thoughts? [18:35] Tundra-Server, you need to reboot and edit grub as the shown in the above url [18:35] BluesKaj: Will that help with the new errors? [18:36] Cause I can get the system to boot now [18:37] yes because you have no write permissions [18:37] Alright [18:37] brb ,. mailbox errand === FFleder is now known as FFleder^afk [18:43] Sp BluesKaj , what do I need to specify for the boot line? Do I need to specify the UUID or the /dev/sdX ? [18:45] tu the /dev/sda ort b or whatever /dev/sd? yoiur / (rrot) partition is designated as [18:45] Tundra-Server,^ [18:47] Ok, alright, I'm gonna try that [18:50] BluesKaj: I'm sorry, ubt I'm gonna have to ask this. Am I opening the menu at grub or what am I doing? [18:50] *but [18:54] when at grub use the "e" key to edit then add the parameter as described above, are you able to do that Tundra_O1dDsktop ? [18:56] BluesKaj: Ok, so now that I'm there I'm looking for what line? [18:58] so obviously tou have no access to the urls I poster, correct ? [18:58] tou=you [18:58] BluesKaj: You told me to look at the system-boot section. I'm not seeing anything that looks like those lines in GRUB [18:59] BluesKaj: Hang on [19:00] I'm almost in the dark about this as you are, never seen this situation before [19:00] BluesKaj: do you know parameters for the grub boot? [19:00] Because there's one that I'm looking at [19:00] Tundra_O1dDsktop, let me chec k ..brb [19:00] And I think this is the root of the problem [19:19] So BluesKaj , find out anything? [19:20] Tundra_O1dDsktop, I don't see anything relevant in grub edit that I would want to fool with , suggest you go to #ubuntu or ##linux with your question.Unless someone else hare has a better suggestion [19:20] hare=here [19:21] Well, I reckon I'm gonna go ahead and try an idea [19:22] I don't have much knowledge oabout EFI and GPT , it's still mostly a mystery to me [19:22] Myself as well [19:23] I'm gonna try to install actually in EFI mode and see how that shakes out [19:36] Tundra_O1dDsktop, yeah, that's the best method, but make sure you setup you partitions manually so that you know which ones are which [19:37] Eh, what could possibly go wrong? [19:37] Tundra_O1dDsktop: You know, a 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /' might help you ;) === karim_ is now known as karim__ [22:36] hello [22:39] allo