/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/04/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

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desrthello peeps06:38
desrthey seb :D06:38
seb128hey desrt & desktopers06:40
desrtwoh.  double notify for me, in one line.06:40
seb128lol06:41
willcookemorning all07:43
seb128hey willcooke, back from London? ;-)07:45
willcookehey seb128.  Yeah.  But I forgot to buy a car park ticket. Oops07:46
willcookeHave to pay a 60 GBP fine.  Grrr07:46
seb128:-/07:46
willcookeNormally I buy the ticket with the app from the platform, but this time I was, erm07:46
willcookewell07:46
willcookeI was catching Pokemon07:46
seb128lol07:47
seb128need to install it, want to give a try07:47
seb128though I'm unsure if that wouldn't be a mistake07:47
willcookeIf you live in the countryside, then it's kinda sucky07:47
willcookewhen I was walking around yesterday lunchtime it was amazing07:47
willcookethings everywhere07:47
seb128now I know why you planned the day trip to London! :p07:48
willcookeha!07:48
TheMusoHey folks. :)07:52
willcookeevening TheMuso07:52
seb128hey TheMuso07:57
seb128TheMuso, how are you?07:58
seb128happyaron, hey, unsure if you saw but nm/applet 1.2.4 updates are out ;-)07:59
happyaronseb128: yes07:59
happyaron:)07:59
seb128just went we SRUed the previous one, good timing :p08:00
seb128went->when08:00
seb128happyaron, btw did you have the .2 update for the applet/did you plan to SRU that?08:00
Laneymeow08:02
happyaronI've prepared the applet, but think have the newer one is better? It's not complicate to update to it.08:02
* TheMuso -> EOD. Later folks.08:03
seb128hey, what's up?08:03
seb128TheMuso, night08:03
seb128TheMuso, btw did you see bug #1574324 it's assigned to you and I pinged you the other day08:04
ubot5bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157432408:04
seb128happyaron, right, the applet update just fix some segfaults so we might as well directly go for that one08:04
willcookeseb128, yeah we just talked about it - TheMuso is investigating08:04
seb128willcooke, k, I assume he was since there was something similar mentioned in the meeting, would be good to ack that on the bug my commenting/changing it to in progress rather than just ignoring it though ;-)08:05
seb128well that was for TheMuso rather ^08:05
willcookeseb128, TheMuso +108:06
TheMusoYep, I tend to just start doing things... Will update now.08:07
Laneyhi seb128 and willcooke08:07
Laneyand TheMuso and happyaron !08:07
seb128thanks08:07
willcookemorning Laney08:07
happyaronmorning08:07
happyaronalmost EOD for me...08:07
Laneyyou should shift to UK time08:08
happyaron:)08:08
seb128getting some sleep before you patch pilot round tomorrow? ;-)08:10
* seb128 just opened his indicator to see what time it is in China and noticed your name in the next events :p08:10
seb128m_vo today, though I've a feeling he's too busy for that!08:11
seb128there is even a n-m item for you ;-)08:14
seb128good stack of desktopish items in fact in the queue :-/08:15
* seb128 should try to do a sponsoring shift in the next days08:15
ricotzhey desktopers08:33
ricotzany chance to get firefox moved to from proposed to release despite the build-failures https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/48.0+build2-0ubuntu108:33
ricotzit is getting quite outdated there08:33
seb128hey ricotz08:34
ricotzseb128, hi08:35
seb128that's a question for chriscoulson08:35
seb128but I don't think we have issues with having things blocked in yakkety-proposed until they get fixed08:36
ricotzhe mentioned once that build-failures on lower priority archs should not prevent it from transitioning08:36
seb128we are going to need to sort that out before release though08:36
seb128right08:36
seb128not everybody agrees with that statement though08:36
seb128and britney doesn't have that concept of regressions which are ok08:37
seb128best way out is for somebody who cares about having the package updated to provide a patch fixing the build08:37
ricotzok, I would assume firefox is special here and having release two versions behind (even older than in xenial) seems not good08:37
seb128well it's yakkety08:38
ricotzalright, let see if chris wants to act on it since you pinged him ;)08:38
seb128it's not meant to be used in production systems and it's not like the package was not available08:38
seb128he's not on this channel/on IRC it seems08:39
seb128not going to work08:39
seb128I think he has too much to do anyway08:39
ricotzdevelopment machine should mean insecure ;P08:39
seb128probably a better chance to try to see if doko or infinity are interested in helping08:39
ricotzoh, I see08:39
seb128they are the ones who care most about those archs usually08:40
ricotzI will let chris know if he is around08:40
seb128and said in the past that they are happy to help fixing those builds issues08:40
seb128or rather than they prefer to help when needed that to see the archs ignored08:40
seb128 08:41
seb128other topic08:41
seb128willcooke, is there a recommended trello way to deal with old items? I guess normal workflow would be to have a board active for a specific iteration/project so that would not been an issue, but we tend to use the same boards over longer periods and things stack in done ... I'm wondering if it would make sense to have a "done this $iteration (=week?)" and archive or something08:43
dokoSweet5hark1, are you planning a lo upload in the near future?08:44
* Laney needs a pitti08:44
* Laney yodels out of the window08:45
seb128willcooke, I'm thinking that I could use the trello board to track my week work and make my meeting summary (replacing my tomboy note) but the "done" list include olds and new items which is a bit suboptimal08:45
Laney* pitti has joined #ubuntu-desktop08:45
seb128lol08:45
seb128summoning power!08:45
willcookeseb128, what I tend to do is have a "done" column, and keep things in done for a few weeks in case I need to refer back to them, and then archive them once I'm happy they are really done.  Archiving them means you can still get at them if you need to, but they don't get in the way08:45
seb128hum08:46
Laneygpg-agent systemd service is buggy08:46
seb128I guess that would work08:46
* Laney is trying fixes but not convinced they are right08:46
Laneyoh well, can fix it again when he comes back08:46
seb128cards are in order usually so it should be easy enough to see the list of the week08:46
seb128Laney, you can maybe try asking on #debian-systemd what they think?08:47
seb128or ask here but unsure we have much systemd experts around08:47
seb128willcooke, thanks08:47
Laneyseb128: good idea08:48
seb128:-)08:48
Laneythere's too many things providing ssh agents08:49
seb128which makes difficult to know which one should be used?08:50
Trevinhoah, almost forgetting... Hey people...08:50
Laneynah it's handled08:50
andyrockhey seb128, do you know why online-accounts integration is complety broken08:50
Laneybut not for the gpg-agent case, need to add it there08:50
Laneyhi Trevinho08:50
Trevinhohi Laney08:51
andyrocki mean is it just a bug ?08:51
andyrockor something else? :)08:51
TrevinhoI would love to fix that to... Having gnome-calendar is a no-sense without being able to sync google acccounts08:51
Laneyworks for me08:52
Laneyit's not the most solid part of the desktop though08:52
Laney-> mardy for questions about that stack08:52
andyrockso it's just a bug...08:52
Laneyin the sense that it's a thing which is meant to work08:53
Laneyif it doesn't work then it is a bug08:53
andyrockbut I don't see how gnome-online-accounts can talk with ubuntu-online-accounts08:53
Laneyit's ubuntu online accounts08:53
Laney-> e-d-s -> gnome-calendar08:53
andyrockeds?08:54
andyrockevolution?08:54
Laneyrelated08:55
TrevinhoLaney: weird... I tried in a new install to setup a google sync, and no way.... I can't add new calendars  there08:58
andyrockbut all the others gnome-online-accounts are broken08:58
seb128good morning Trevinho & andyrock!08:58
Trevinhohi seb128, good morning too!08:58
andyrockgood morning seb12808:59
seb128andyrock, we don't use gnome-online-accounts in Unity08:59
seb128what is not working?08:59
andyrockyeah but would be nice to do so :P08:59
Trevinhoseb128: I can't just add my google calendars...08:59
seb128how so?08:59
TrevinhoNever been able08:59
seb128we have ubuntu-online-account08:59
andyrocki mean my online accounts do nothing08:59
TrevinhoI thought it was a known issue08:59
seb128Trevinho, ? in u-c-c -> online you can add a google account08:59
seb128that includes calendar08:59
seb128wfm08:59
seb128you need to restart your session to have e-d-s picking it up though09:00
seb128which is a known issue09:00
andyrockseb128: yeah but  gnome-apps uses gnome-online-accounts09:00
seb128or at least restart e-d-s09:00
seb128andyrock, which ones? e-d-s and empathy have backends for goa and uoa09:00
seb128gnome-calendar uses eds not online accounts09:00
Sweet5hark1doko: yes, planning to upload RSN.09:00
seb128shotwell uses uoa09:00
andyrockshotwell does not work neither09:01
seb128define "not work"09:01
andyrockdoes nothing09:01
seb128what are you trying to od?09:01
andyrockdoes not import pictures09:01
Trevinhoseb128: I can't see my calendars there, nor I can add new events to these09:01
seb128that has nothing to do with accounts09:01
seb128Trevinho, do you have a google account configured in ucc online?09:01
seb128is calendar enabled for it?09:01
TrevinhoYeah, no calendar is shown as customer though09:02
andyrockseb128: i don't see calendar in the list09:03
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/uoa.png09:04
andyrockjust "photos search plugin", "shotwell" , "google drive search plugin"09:04
Trevinhoseb128: I've only these  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wW4sJGMQ/09:04
andyrocksame for me09:04
TrevinhoThis is in a clean xenial install09:04
andyrocki have "contacts" too in Y09:05
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, dpkg -l | grep account-plugin-google09:05
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, dpkg -l | grep evolution-data-server-uoa09:05
Trevinhoseb128: there they are09:05
seb128Trevinho, the eds as well?09:06
Trevinhook second no09:06
seb128that's your issue09:06
andyrockevolution-data-server-online-accounts09:06
seb128no09:06
seb128that's the gnome one09:06
seb128you need -uoa for ubuntu/unity09:06
andyrocki don't have it09:06
seb128that's your issue09:07
andyrock$ sudo apt-get install evolution-data-server-uoa09:07
andyrockReading package lists... Done09:07
andyrockBuilding dependency tree09:07
andyrockReading state information... Done09:07
andyrockE: Unable to locate package evolution-data-server-uoa09:07
andyrockops sorry wanted to pastebin09:07
seb128oh09:07
seb128wait, did we undo that split?09:07
andyrockno idea but this is a clean X09:08
Trevinhoit's not possible to find that package at all09:08
Trevinho-ubuntu maybe?09:08
seb128sorry it's evolution-data-server-online-accounts09:08
seb128hum09:08
dufluIs there a guideline on whether things in main should build-dep things in universe?09:08
TrevinhoOh, it conflicts with mir session09:09
seb128duflu, they should build-dep on things they need to build09:09
dufluseb128: OK, so it would just be more polished, but not required, to stay in main?09:09
Trevinhoso maybe that was removed because I installed the mir session?09:09
seb128Trevinho, talk to mardy09:09
seb128Trevinho, likely09:09
Trevinhoerr, the unity8-mir session09:09
andyrocknope09:09
seb128I think the touch accounts are slightly incompatible09:09
andyrocki never installed mir09:09
Trevinhomy install isn't purel clean, so... But I 'd like to check on fresh install... Since I think I tried that on my first install and it wasn't working too09:10
seb128duflu, I don't understand the question. You can Build-Depends on something in universe only if it doesn't lead to a binary in main to get a runtime depends on something in universe09:10
dufluseb128: Great, thanks, good to know09:11
seb128yw09:11
Trevinhoalthough it has a good rdepends it seems09:11
seb128duflu, if you get a runtime depends then that package needs to be MIRed/promoted09:11
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, I'm booting an iso in a vm, let's see09:11
seb128but I tested that a bit before xenial because we had issues, it was working by then09:12
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, that's a 16.04 iso booted in a vm where I just opened u-c-c -> online accounts and added my canonical one, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/online.png09:16
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, then you need to click the "auth" button at the top (which is a known issue/a bit annoying) and restart your session09:16
seb128just did that and gnome-calendar lists my canonical calendar09:17
TrevinhoMh, i was trying yakkety in the mean time... But the link in gnome calendar options is still wrong (it points to GOA), and the online accounts plugged window is always black09:18
seb128had a notification on login saying the auth was needed again though, so had to go to u-c-c->online to reclick the button09:18
seb128Trevinho, what link?09:18
seb128the cog?09:18
andyrockok it works now09:18
seb128andyrock, what did you change?09:19
Trevinhoseb128: gnome calendar -> add calendar -> online....09:19
andyrocknot sure why it was not installed09:19
andyrocki just intalled it09:19
andyrock:D09:19
TrevinhoI only see that if I install the mir session, it gets uninstalled09:19
Trevinhoso it's probably what it happened here09:20
seb128andyrock, ^ maybe that was your issue09:20
seb128we need to sort that out with mardy09:20
seb128we want to install unity8 by default in 16.1009:20
andyrockoki, i cannot add events from gnome-calendar  to my google calendar account09:20
seb128Trevinho, k, you shouldn't have a online account under unity09:20
andyrockbut at least they get imported09:20
ricotzSweet5hark1, hi, I assume doko was referring to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.61.html09:21
seb128Trevinho, or maybe there is an issue with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calendar/3.20.2-0ubuntu209:21
seb128Trevinho, what is your XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ?09:21
* Trevinho closed the VM :-P09:21
seb128k09:22
Trevinhobut, it should be fine... I think09:22
seb128let me download the deb09:22
Trevinhoit's just a clean yakkety install09:22
seb128yeah, maybe it regressed in yakkety09:22
seb128I'm using xenial so I can't say09:22
seb128it's all a plan from you guys to make me update ot yakkety right? ;-)09:23
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SbaNrg1f/Here%20it%20is09:23
LaneyThat patch does not influence the "From Web" bit.09:26
LaneyShow a screenshot of the "Calendar Settings" page09:26
LaneyPress the cog and see if you get unity-control-center09:26
LaneyIf you do, then the patch works09:26
Laneypatch*es*09:26
seb128Trevinho, Laney, that screenshot shows a bug in the italian translation09:29
seb128that href is wrong09:29
seb128here it shows a blue label09:29
seb128and clicking on it opens uoa09:29
Trevinhowell, but... in xenial is fine09:29
seb128still09:29
seb128translation issue :p09:29
Trevinho:)09:29
Trevinhook09:29
seb128or gtk 3.20 issue09:29
seb128I don't think we had langpack updates in yakkety09:30
Trevinhoah, ok09:30
TrevinhoI don't see anything to change in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/gnome-calendar/+pots/gnome-calendar/it/+translate though09:30
seb128does it work in C locale?09:30
Laneyall this to complain about the broken href?09:31
Laneyi don't think so09:31
seb128Laney, "all this"?09:31
Laney40 minutes of debugging09:31
seb128Laney, they had eds-online-account missing and we figured out it conflicts with unity809:31
Laneywhat's the thing about the patch then?09:32
seb128that was the next issue09:32
seb128now they had the calendar working09:32
seb128but Trevinho found that this screen was confusing09:32
seb128Trevinho, looks fine with gtk 3.20 in ld_library_path on my xenial so maybe not a gtk issue, anyway we are down to a minor pb ... try in english if that works09:34
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, english works09:35
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, can you please open a bug about the online account conflict?09:35
Trevinhoseb128: not the UOA selection though09:35
seb128oh? what does it do?09:35
Trevinhoah, no wait... It was maybe a network issue09:35
TrevinhoI had back the "black box" issue back09:35
Trevinhobut it seems to be fxied09:35
Trevinhofixed*09:35
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, also since you guys are in calendar testing mode, can you try to look at why the unity dash doesn't pick it as recently used?09:36
seb128it's never in the recent items09:36
seb128good09:36
Trevinhocause it's not working well here, so we blacklisted it...09:36
Trevinho:-P09:36
Trevinhonot true...09:36
* seb128 slapd Trevinho with a trout09:36
Trevinho:)09:37
seb128gnome-software is the same btw09:37
seb128I guess that has somewhat to do with the fact that they are dbus activated09:37
seb128or gapplication started as a service09:37
Trevinhoah....09:37
TrevinhoMight be, although we should only care about .desktop files launched there09:38
seb128yeah, needs debugging09:38
seb128it's often annoying me though :p09:38
seb128especially that "cal" lists the calculator and libreoffice before the calendar09:38
seb128but that's another topic ;-)09:39
seb128on that note going for some errands and lunch09:39
seb128bbl09:39
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, that's a known thing. But.... Cal is closer to Calc than to Calculator...09:42
LaneyTrevinho: what's the news on the unity7 systemd unit?09:58
Laneythere's some race conditions now because it lives in upstart still09:58
TrevinhoLaney: I've to check the mp, but.... Unity7 doesn't build in yakkety anymore now because of g++6.10:02
TrevinhoI mean it builds, but test segfaults10:02
Laney/o\10:02
TrevinhoI'm looking at it now, so no landing is possibile anyway10:02
Laneyok10:02
Laneyit's not the end of the world10:02
Laneyjust sometimes you get the wrong ssh agent and stuff10:03
Laneywhich I suppose is because the upstart and systemd stuff race10:03
Trevinhomight be10:03
Laneylike unity gets started before some of the units have set the initctl environment10:04
* Sweet5hark1 reads backlog.10:37
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* Sweet5hark1 wonders what willcooke_s trainer level is10:38
* willcooke checks10:38
willcooke1110:38
willcookeTrevinho, what's that magic command to reenable all the unity plugings etc?  My googlefoo is weak10:39
Sweet5hark1willcooke: ahh, that when its starts with the pidgeys getting annoying! http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/2016080110:40
Trevinhowillcooke: on yakkety or xenial?10:41
willcookeTrevinho, x10:41
willcookeSweet5hark1, yeah, I've given up even trying with weedles, pidgets, rattats etc10:41
Trevinhowillcooke: gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins "['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom',10:41
Trevinho'unityshell']"10:41
willcookethx Trevinho10:41
Trevinhoandyrock made it easyer for Y and will be SRUed to x too, btw10:41
willcookeTrevinho, andyrock \m/10:42
Sweet5hark1seb128, willcooke: I still feel the libreoffice snap is widely undertested. When I blog about it to call folks to use it where should they report bugs? I assume upstream isnt yet happy with that yet. Trello isnt public and likely an account creation hassle. Launchpad against the dpkg package for now although its wrong?10:43
willcookeSweet5hark1, you could start a new LP thing, or just use the current one and use tags?10:44
Sweet5hark1willcooke: new LP thing likely is even more confusing. For now, using the current one with tags is wrong but likely a good pragmatic solution.10:45
Sweet5hark1willcooke: thx10:45
willcooke:)10:46
willcookeTrevinho, what does one do if you get a dconf "could not connect" error?10:47
Trevinhooh.... I'm not used to that... I guess desrt knows that.10:47
Sweet5hark1willcooke: oh and pidgets are still important. 12 pidget drops and you can evolve it, which gains you XP. thus: collect a bazillion pidgets, throw a lucky egg and evolve all the pidgets => instant trainer levels. #justsaying10:47
willcookeSweet5hark1, I've got an evolved pigeot (or whatever it's called) so bored of them now10:48
desrtCould not connect? Sounds like dbus...10:48
willcookedesrt, fwd'd you a screen shot on telegram10:49
Laneythe modern age10:49
willcooke:)10:49
desrtIt that a snap?10:50
Laneydbus-user-session forever10:50
desrtI guess someone disabled dbus access10:50
willcookenot a snap, this was a 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade which crapped out10:50
desrtOr what Laney said10:50
Sweet5hark1willcooke: yeah, you dont want them, you just want the XP. I immediately fight those evolved to near death in an area afterwards and send them to the prof: "Hey prof, here is another mostly dead bird."10:50
desrtAt lunch now... Will be back shortly.10:50
willcookethx desrt10:51
Laneywillcooke: try dbus-run-session <that command>10:51
willcookeSweet5hark1, ha, nice10:51
Laneydesrt: I thought it was suspicious that you were using upper case ...10:51
Sweet5hark1so, gnome folks, I need help with gtk3 rendering of toolbars. I want to set a special theming class for the LibreOffice toolbars. Im using gtk_style_context_add_class(ctx, "TerminalScreen") now on the toolbars to see if it does any difference, but it doesnt ...11:06
Sweet5hark1... and Im not sure if that is expected to render different: It e.g. sets some background attrs, but I dont know if that is overpainted due to stuff elsewhere in the theme.11:08
Sweet5hark1So ... what would be a sure fire way to change the appearance of the toolbar rendering? Is there something (I dont care how ugly) that is clearly showing this custom class is working? Something like "make it bright red and burn my eyes!"? Or is there a way to mod the theme to have that?11:11
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Sweet5hark1wohaha11:35
* Sweet5hark1 managed to make the libreoffice toolbar paint something in very ugly red.11:36
Sweet5hark1ok, its a small piece: just the toolbar separators are bright red now. But at least it shows this works.11:38
seb128Sweet5hark1 on his way to be our new theme maintainer it seems ;-)11:38
Sweet5hark1If only I knew were the dark gradient in the background comes from in the theme.11:38
Sweet5hark1seb128: no11:38
Sweet5hark1seb128: nono11:38
seb128:-)11:40
Sweet5hark1seb128: http://i.imgur.com/MX3mV4o.mp411:40
seb128Sweet5hark1, btw I agree on using the ubuntu package for libreoffice snap issues11:40
seb128easier than the other options11:40
Sweet5hark1seb128: good, will blog about then soonish calling for testing (and diverting the lynch mob there)11:41
seb128is there any reason you don't push it to the stable channel btw?11:41
Sweet5hark1seb128: Didnt want to risk it on upstream release day to mitigate a too-many-fires-at-the-same-time scenario. I didnt get too much feedback on it so far.11:43
seb128k11:43
Sweet5hark1seb128: but yeah, will do in the next days.11:43
seb128at the same time it's pretty isolated from your system and not a lot of people rely on/use it11:44
seb128so the potential to create damages is limited11:44
Sweet5hark1seb128: well, I intentionally havent moved over 5.2.0 to the libreoffice-fresh ppa as usual. Hoping those folk (on yakkety and xenial) will give the snap a try instead.11:46
seb128+111:46
seb128do we get stats on the downloads from the store?11:46
Sweet5hark1seb128: (there is still a dpkg build in the libreoffice-prereleases ppa, for those who really search for it)11:47
Sweet5hark1seb128: oh yeah there is!11:47
seb128nice11:47
seb128Sweet5hark1, also why no i386 build? did you try to build your snaps on launchpad from a vcs (if you push a branch with the yaml you can tell launchpad to build from it)11:48
Sweet5hark1seb128: up until recently I had a "sudo dot -c" in the build script because it seemed to have healed the documentation foo generation going wrong. I recently found the docs are still broken with it and removing it doesnt ftbfs. So yeah, can give that a try (while punting the "graphwiz does want to generate pngs in snapcraft" issue for later)11:55
Sweet5hark1seb128: so with a "sudo" in there lp wasnt an option, but yeah, now it should work.11:56
seb128would be cool11:56
seb128also I really need to migrate to 64 bits at some point :p11:56
Sweet5hark1seb128: hah! so you are not one of the 19 French guys who installed the snap so far.11:57
seb128no!11:58
seb128didrocks might be one though ;-)11:58
Sweet5hark1seb128: France isnt doing bad: position 5 in the list ;)11:59
seb128hum, us / de ... who else, es? uk?11:59
Sweet5hark1seb128: us, de, uk, brazil, fr, it, canada12:00
Sweet5hark1note I explicitly had a pt-BR locale included as LibreOffice is pretty big there.12:01
didrocks(I'm not either ;))12:02
seb128didrocks, let's fix that and get fr up in the list ;-)12:02
didrocksmeh :)12:02
Sweet5hark1likely this: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=libreoffice%20ppa&src=typd <- needs some strong communication wrt "use snap packages instead of ppa" to counter the bazillion "new libreoffice out, how to install right now" which recommend the ppas.12:04
ricotzSweet5hark1, in case you will copy 5.2 to the fresh ppa, you can copy the backports too12:04
Sweet5hark1ricotz: willdo, thanks!12:16
Laneymake it be an empty package that runs snap from the postinst :-)12:18
Sweet5hark1Laney: that will work great on trusty and precise, I guess.12:19
LaneyAh, then include snappy inside the .deb12:19
Sweet5hark1Laney: https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/70403419.jpg12:24
Laney:D12:25
Laneydcmd --deb sudo dpkg -iO blah_arch.changes12:29
Laneynew command of the day12:29
seb128useful!12:31
Laneyyeah12:33
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Laneydpkg -iO *gnome-terminal*3.20*.deb # oh crap, errors about dbgsym12:33
Sweet5hark1nice indeed12:33
Laneydcmd rules12:33
Laneyalso for scping packages around12:33
* Sweet5hark1 wonders if he should bother to use it to change the functions in his bashrc that nobody sees the inside of anyway ...12:34
* Laney uploads gnome-terminal12:35
Laneywonder if there's anything else before unblocking the stuff12:36
jbichaflexiondotorg: we're waiting for a ubuntu-mate-artwork upload from you12:46
flexiondotorgjbicha, Yeah, work is a bit crazy right now. Will be a couple of days.12:46
jbichaok, thanks12:47
jbichaLaney: I think the other flavors are good enough12:52
jbichatoo bad firefox 48 isn't built on all arches yet for yakkety because it fixes the broken scrollbars with gtk32012:53
jbichaof course it's the 2 arches that aren't available in the ppa that have issues12:55
flexiondotorgjbicha, Laney Is Ubuntu MATE blocking?12:55
TrevinhoLaney: would you mind to apply this debdiff https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-mock/+bug/1609793 ?13:24
ubot5Launchpad bug 1609793 in google-mock (Ubuntu) "Unity tests crashes when compiling google-mocks with gcc-6" [Critical,In progress]13:24
TrevinhoLaney: it would be nice to have that in debian too, though13:24
Trevinhoso we can have unity landing unblocked...13:25
seb128Trevinho, https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/google-mock/news/20160629T182141Z.html ?13:26
Trevinhoseb128: that fix isn't enough13:27
seb128that's in yakkety but not good enough?13:27
seb128Trevinho, maybe you can send your patch with a comment on http://bugs.debian.org/812289 ?13:27
ubot5Debian bug 812289 in google-mock "google-mock: FTBFS with GCC 6: test suite segfault" [Serious,Fixed]13:27
Trevinhoseb128: ok, sure13:27
Trevinhohaving that in ubuntu sooner would be nice though13:28
Trevinhoso we unblock the landing13:28
seb128right13:28
seb128but you said it would be nice to have in Debian13:28
seb128you don't need to pile more work on Laney for that, you can directly email the BTS with your patch ;-)13:29
Trevinhoseb128: indeed, I can do that...13:32
seb128thanks!13:32
Trevinhoseb128: I mean, anyone who can upload to ubuntu is fine to me anyway :). Mailing BTS too13:32
seb128you should really apply for upload rights :p13:33
Trevinhoseb128: you told me to wait for your "go" :)13:38
seb128that was desktop set, you might want to go for motu ... ;-)13:38
seb128but in practice yeah, they are probably going to tell you that you contribute to a specific set so should probably apply for that one13:38
seb128but thanks for the reminder, need to talk with the others about that again13:39
Trevinhoseb128: as for BTS... The error that the other server returned was: 550 Unknown or archived bug13:39
TrevinhoSo......... Should I open a new one?13:39
seb128I guess13:39
seb128you know how to do that easily?13:39
Trevinhosubmit@ ... ?13:40
seb128reportbug should work but I usually just email submit@bugs.debian.org with the email starting with13:40
seb128Package:13:40
seb128Version:13:40
seb128User: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com13:40
seb128then your description/patch etc13:40
seb128can also add Usertags: origin-ubuntu xenial13:40
seb128or yakkety13:40
Trevinhothanks13:41
seb128yw13:42
Sweet5hark1seb128, willcooke: so, umm, I have some initial patching for libreoffice theming, which basically shows that its workable to fix the things that are off. There are lots of small things to fix there, so I wonder how we go about it. wrt landing libreoffice in the archive and updating both libreoffice and the ubuntu-theme. FWIW, I would love to bump libreoffice 5.2.0 rsn even if there are lots of small glitches in the themeing still when13:43
Sweet5hark1seb128, willcooke: so can we drop libreoffice in the yakkety archive even when some parts (e.g. toolbars) are still off (hard to read/dark on dark).13:45
Sweet5hark1(would also be good to have this to see if there is any boost/gcc troubles there)13:46
seb128that's a gtk3 only issue right?13:46
seb128do we need to go gtk3?13:46
seb128or could we land 5.2 with gtk2 still?13:46
seb128until the visual issues are sorted out13:46
Sweet5hark1meh, snap is gtk3 and other distros also use gtk3, so gtk2 isnt w/o issues either. also the gnome doc-viewer depends on gtk3 -- so we are currently in the unfortunate situation that if someone installs the doc-viewer (I think ubuntu GNOME does), you will have gtk3 anyway ...13:51
Laneyflexiondotorg: your stuff is uploaded, no?13:53
LaneyTrevinho: ok, what's your bug number?13:53
Laney@ debian13:53
meetingologyLaney: Error: "debian" is not a valid command.13:53
TrevinhoLaney: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=83344913:54
Laneynever mind, I found it13:54
ubot5Debian bug 833449 in google-mocks "Tests crashes when verifying mock functions calls with gcc-6" [Normal,Open]13:54
Laneythx13:54
TrevinhoFYI it affects also mir guys13:54
* Laney puts http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07m5gph on13:55
Laneythis is good uploading music13:55
* Trevinho doesn't want to fire the VPN only for that...13:55
Trevinhounless... is it reallly good :-) ?13:55
Laneydoes radio need vpn?13:55
Trevinhoah, no it goes... Sorry13:56
Laneywinning13:56
willcookeLaney, any thoughts on how we can get DEP11 on the partner repo?  (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1578473)14:02
ubot5Launchpad bug 1578473 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Cannot install packages from Ubuntu partner repo in Ubuntu-Software" [High,Confirmed]14:02
willcookeLaney, not needed now, just askin'14:02
LaneySame as for PPAs14:03
Laneyasgen needs to support addon archives14:03
Laneyximion I think wanted to work on that, it's a feature it needs14:04
willcookeunderstood, thx14:04
Laneywe talked about it at debconf anyway14:04
flexiondotorgLaney, mate-themes are uploaded. But ubuntu-mate-artwork needs an upload.14:05
flexiondotorgI'll upload ubuntu-mate-artwork tomorrow.14:05
Laneyflexiondotorg: 'k, please do it14:05
fooctrlif I install eclipse using ubuntu "make", but how will I update eclipse later on using make?14:10
LaneyTrevinho: can you check that if you remove that CXXFLAGS hack and keep your patch it still works please?14:20
TrevinhoLaney: ok, let me see...14:20
TrevinhoLaney: I need to recompile, so it might take a little14:21
Laney00:01:48 here :P14:21
Laneyyou want a deb?14:21
TrevinhoLaney: ah, it would be faster, thanks14:22
TrevinhoLaney: oh, where are you?14:22
Laneybuilding in ram baby14:22
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/google-mock_1.7.0-18092013-2_amd64.deb14:23
Laneyit at least builds without it there14:23
Laneyand if I understood the first bug correctly it used to crash in the testsuite14:23
TrevinhoLaney: yes14:25
TrevinhoLaney: but that's ran on building the deb too14:25
TrevinhoI think that debian rules cflag doesn't affect built projects though14:25
ximionLaney: the massive performance difference of LDC vs GDC was actually the result of LDC not compiling with any optimization (thanks dub weirdness!) - with that resolved, the LDC / GDC difference isn't big anymore14:26
LaneyTrevinho: I mean its own testsuite used to crash, but it doesnt with that version14:26
Laneyhi ximion!14:26
TrevinhoLaney: ah, ok... Fine enough14:27
LaneyTrevinho: seems the patch means you don't ever need that cxxflag, hopefully14:27
Laneyif you confirm ;-)14:27
Trevinhoso it seems14:27
TrevinhoI mean, yeah... If it was crashing because of that... I didn't see the backtrace of the google-moks issue, but I believe it's the same14:28
Laneyif I understand right the optimisation means the compiler ignores those functions because they always return NULL14:28
Laneyso the patch just makes them not do that14:28
TrevinhoYeah14:28
Laneyok14:28
Laneyso I take the flag out and upload this14:28
Laneythanks14:28
Laneyximion: would be good if you check ldc builds and works on 16.04 before forcing it ;-)14:29
LaneyI think there were some problems with syncing it onto 16.10 too14:29
TrevinhoI hope there's no mem leak around because of that, but considering how the crashing function is defined (deletes the element), I would say not.14:29
ximionLaney: others teststed Xenial builds for me already in a PPA, and it works, and for the 16.10 sync, I recently got a patch into LDC which makes it work on Ubuntu14:30
ximionthe remaining issue is that it FTBFS on Debian14:31
ximionon powerpc14:31
Laneycool14:31
ximionI will not rush depending on it, maybe GDC compatibility can be kept for a while14:31
ximion(will involve some more conditional compiling thogh, which is meh...)14:32
TrevinhoLaney: oh, with your deb I get the crash...14:33
ximione.g. right now asgen only works properly because I backported a part of the newer standard library :P14:33
TrevinhoLaney: isn't that version the same of the archive?14:33
Laneyno14:33
Trevinhogoogle-mock:14:34
Trevinho  Installed: 1.7.0-18092013-214:34
Trevinho  Candidate: 1.7.0-18092013-214:34
Trevinho  Version table:14:34
Trevinho     1.7.0-18092013-2 50014:34
Trevinho        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe amd64 Packages14:34
Trevinho *** 1.7.0-18092013-2 10014:34
Trevinho        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status14:34
Laneyshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit14:35
TrevinhoI still have the return NULL in the header...14:35
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~laney/package-junkyard/google-mock_1.7.0-18092013-2.1_amd64.deb14:35
Laneytry that one14:35
* Laney runs14:35
TrevinhoLaney: i've just figured that we could just backport https://github.com/google/googletest/commit/b5c81098a8ccc25e313ffca56c911200b3591ea0.patch instead ... But that would requires other commits to backport too14:44
TrevinhoLaney: mh, I need a fresh rebuild maybe, since it still crashes..14:44
Laneyrebuild of unity?14:45
TrevinhoLaney: yeah..14:45
Laneyshrug14:45
Laneytry it14:45
Trevinhoor gmock inside unity.. but I did that14:45
Laneyit is ready to upload14:45
Trevinhook... building the tests atm14:46
* Trevinho 's latop at 82°...14:47
Laneyrent some CPU time on Sweet5hark1's beast14:48
TrevinhoLaney: ok, it goes as it should14:50
Laneyit works?14:50
Laneyi just noticed that my shorts are covered in mud14:50
Laneywtf14:50
Laneywait, shit, this is silicone sealant14:51
Laneyhope it comes off :|14:51
TrevinhoLaney: yeah, it's working... No crash.14:52
Laneyright, awesome14:53
TrevinhoLaney: on a side note... I've just noticed that climbing is a new olympic sport... What you missed?! :-D14:53
Laneylet's upload14:53
Trevinhoyeah14:53
Laneyyeah I heard that on the radio!14:53
Laneythey have to do bouldering, sport and lead though14:53
Laneys/sport/speed/14:53
Laneywhich is a bit weird14:53
Laneyit's like 'running' being 100m, 800m, marathon14:53
TrevinhoAh, I see14:55
TrevinhoLaney: are you also syncing from debian now?14:55
LaneyTrevinho: I'm uploading to both (DELAYED/7 in Debian)14:57
Trevinhoawesome, thanks14:57
* Sweet5hark1 made ambience look like CGA graphics15:28
seb128Sweet5hark1, screenshot!15:32
seb128shrug, the yakkety iso is 1.7G it's getting ridiculous15:33
jibelthat's +200MG compared to xenial, what increased the size so much?15:35
seb128good question15:35
Laneysome debugging stuff gets turned on at the start of the cycle iirc15:35
seb128I diffed the manifest but don't see anything obvious15:35
Laneymight explain some of it15:36
seb128Laney, do you know which ones? gcc?15:36
Laneyi don't know15:36
seb128is that like some package got bigger15:36
Laneyask the german15:36
Laneyyep15:36
Laneyi just sort of remember that happening before15:36
Laneymight be wrong15:36
seb128thanks for the hint15:37
seb128I tried asking15:37
seb128let's see15:37
seb128dear hud please stop annoying me with apport segfault reports15:37
Sweet5harkhttp://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/ambience-cga.png15:38
seb128lol15:39
seb128Laney, mterry, not sure if that's known but the greeter indicator menus bg color seems wrong with yakkety-proposed15:40
seb128just installed in a vm/upgraded to proposed to see how yakkety feels like15:40
mterryseb128, indeed it does seem too light15:41
mterryI *assume* it's gtk 3.2015:41
Laneythe theme is not going to be perfect straight away, sorry15:41
seb128yeah, me too, which is why I'm mentioning it15:41
seb128I didn't assume it would15:42
seb128just giving feedback, but bug reports might be better, point taken15:42
Laneybut you can add it to https://trello.com/c/EXpA6lKW/8-look-into-gtk-3-2015:42
Laneyor a bug15:42
seb128also widgets seem smaller15:42
seb128e.G checkboxes15:42
Laneyit's *definitely* not going to be identical15:42
seb128do we consider that as a bug or we are ok with things looking different?15:43
seb128like should I bother reporting those sort of things (smaller widgets)?15:43
Laneyif you want it to be changed15:43
LaneyI wouldn't go for pixel accuracy15:43
seb128I don't care much15:43
seb128I guess we best land and ask for a design review15:44
seb128see if there is anything that looks wrong to the experienced eyes15:44
seb128I don't really care either way but I don't feel qualified judging on what looks better15:44
Laneyif someone else wants to learn the theme then the remaining bugs would be good ones to help with btw15:44
Laneythey are hopefully going to be small fixes15:45
seb128willcooke, ^ can we get design to do a review of xenial/yakkety unity7-gtk and tell us if they have issues with anything in the update?15:45
Laneylike that checkbox thing, it's a matter of setting min-height and min-width on the right node ("checkbox check")15:45
seb128k15:46
Laneyor it probably is15:46
Laney:P15:46
seb128:-)15:46
Laneythere's other weird things15:47
Laneylike comboboxes get a black line down the left15:47
Laneytry in gtk3-widget-factory15:47
willcookeseb128, I can get it on their list.  They're all at a sprint atm, so I will bring it up at the next design meeting.  Monday I think it will be.15:48
seb128willcooke, no hurry, we might want to wait for that to migrate to yakkety proper anyway15:48
Laneyadd things to that trello for now if they should definitely be fixed15:50
Laneyor make another board for it if that makes more sense15:50
Laneythen you can have 'maybe' items in there15:51
seb128yeah15:51
willcookeattente, rather than replying to that email , I'll ask here - could you log a bug for that child surfaces issue when you get a mo?15:51
seb128speaking of bug15:57
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, did you file one about u8 session conflicting with e-d-s-o-a?15:57
seb128Laney, yakkety and new gtk looks good, nice work!15:58
Trevinhoseb128: nope15:58
seb128can you do that?16:00
seb128it's going to be an issue when we try to include the new session16:00
seb128so better to have it on the list16:00
Trevinhoseb128: ok, I'll do that... Wondering at which package to blame though... I16:02
Trevinhoseb128: speaking of new gtk and yakkety... this one was missing https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/force-quit-dialog-gtk-3.20-selectors/+merge/302049 :-P16:02
seb128Trevinho, the one which conflicts with eds?16:03
Trevinhoseb128: ok, let me track it16:03
Trevinhoseb128: so it's buteo-sync-plugins-contacts-google16:05
seb128hum16:06
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts/0.1+15.10.20151015.1-0ubuntu116:06
Trevinhoseb128: any specific tag for that?16:06
seb128Trevinho, unity8-desktop?16:07
seb128I wonder if the conflicts was from before the rename in that upload ^16:07
seb128so it could just be removed ... need to check with Renato16:07
Trevinhoseb128: I've made https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts/+bug/160987216:09
ubot5Launchpad bug 1609872 in buteo-sync-plugins-contacts (Ubuntu) "buteo-sync-plugins-contacts-google conflicts with evolution-data-server-online-accounts making impossible unity8-desktop to live together with ubuntu-desktop" [Medium,Confirmed]16:09
* Trevinho calls this a day...16:11
attenteLaney: hi! how do i test your u-g-m systemd unit?16:29
Laneyattente: be on up to date yakkety, install the deb, restart, log in, start gnome-terminal, see if you get proper menus16:30
attenteah, ok16:31
attentethanks, it works16:31
Laneygood to hear!16:31
Laneyi never knew about PKG_CHECK_VAR before this16:32
seb128Trevinho, thanks, have a nice evening!16:32
Laneycool macro16:32
Laneywoah16:33
LaneyI forgot to include radiance 3.20 in the branch16:33
TrevinhoYou too seb128!16:33
Laneynight!17:05
seb128'night Laney!17:07
* Sweet5hark has LibreOffice gtk3 toolbar look non-broken again!17:37
Sweet5harkwell -- a designer might still respond with a hissy fit. but not more that usual for LibreOffice, I guess.17:38
seb128Sweet5hark, well done sir!17:40
willcookenice one Sweet5hark17:49
willcookedinner time, see ya tomorrow17:50
RAOFTrevinho: Do you need sponsorship for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-mock/+bug/1609793 ?22:38
ubot5Launchpad bug 1609793 in google-mock (Ubuntu) "Unity tests crashes when compiling google-mocks with gcc-6" [Critical,In progress]22:38
TrevinhoRAOF: Laney already uploaded it, it's in proposed... But thanks22:39
RAOFTrevinho: Good, good.22:39
* Trevinho got a free bandwidth upgrade in the meantime... MaxBitRateDown : 81532000 bps (81.5 Mbps) MaxBitRateUp 21600000 bps (21.6 Mbps) :-P22:41
RAOFNice.22:47

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