=== JanC_ is now known as JanC [06:38] hello peeps [06:38] hey seb :D [06:40] hey desrt & desktopers [06:40] woh. double notify for me, in one line. [06:41] lol [07:43] morning all [07:45] hey willcooke, back from London? ;-) [07:46] hey seb128. Yeah. But I forgot to buy a car park ticket. Oops [07:46] Have to pay a 60 GBP fine. Grrr [07:46] :-/ [07:46] Normally I buy the ticket with the app from the platform, but this time I was, erm [07:46] well [07:46] I was catching Pokemon [07:47] lol [07:47] need to install it, want to give a try [07:47] though I'm unsure if that wouldn't be a mistake [07:47] If you live in the countryside, then it's kinda sucky [07:47] when I was walking around yesterday lunchtime it was amazing [07:47] things everywhere [07:48] now I know why you planned the day trip to London! :p [07:48] ha! [07:52] Hey folks. :) [07:52] evening TheMuso [07:57] hey TheMuso [07:58] TheMuso, how are you? [07:59] happyaron, hey, unsure if you saw but nm/applet 1.2.4 updates are out ;-) [07:59] seb128: yes [07:59] :) [08:00] just went we SRUed the previous one, good timing :p [08:00] went->when [08:00] happyaron, btw did you have the .2 update for the applet/did you plan to SRU that? [08:02] meow [08:02] I've prepared the applet, but think have the newer one is better? It's not complicate to update to it. [08:03] * TheMuso -> EOD. Later folks. [08:03] hey, what's up? [08:03] TheMuso, night [08:04] TheMuso, btw did you see bug #1574324 it's assigned to you and I pinged you the other day [08:04] bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574324 [08:04] happyaron, right, the applet update just fix some segfaults so we might as well directly go for that one [08:04] seb128, yeah we just talked about it - TheMuso is investigating [08:05] willcooke, k, I assume he was since there was something similar mentioned in the meeting, would be good to ack that on the bug my commenting/changing it to in progress rather than just ignoring it though ;-) [08:05] well that was for TheMuso rather ^ [08:06] seb128, TheMuso +1 [08:07] Yep, I tend to just start doing things... Will update now. [08:07] hi seb128 and willcooke [08:07] and TheMuso and happyaron ! [08:07] thanks [08:07] morning Laney [08:07] morning [08:07] almost EOD for me... [08:08] you should shift to UK time [08:08] :) [08:10] getting some sleep before you patch pilot round tomorrow? ;-) [08:10] * seb128 just opened his indicator to see what time it is in China and noticed your name in the next events :p [08:11] m_vo today, though I've a feeling he's too busy for that! [08:14] there is even a n-m item for you ;-) [08:15] good stack of desktopish items in fact in the queue :-/ [08:15] * seb128 should try to do a sponsoring shift in the next days [08:33] hey desktopers [08:33] any chance to get firefox moved to from proposed to release despite the build-failures https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/48.0+build2-0ubuntu1 [08:33] it is getting quite outdated there [08:34] hey ricotz [08:35] seb128, hi [08:35] that's a question for chriscoulson [08:36] but I don't think we have issues with having things blocked in yakkety-proposed until they get fixed [08:36] he mentioned once that build-failures on lower priority archs should not prevent it from transitioning [08:36] we are going to need to sort that out before release though [08:36] right [08:36] not everybody agrees with that statement though [08:37] and britney doesn't have that concept of regressions which are ok [08:37] best way out is for somebody who cares about having the package updated to provide a patch fixing the build [08:37] ok, I would assume firefox is special here and having release two versions behind (even older than in xenial) seems not good [08:38] well it's yakkety [08:38] alright, let see if chris wants to act on it since you pinged him ;) [08:38] it's not meant to be used in production systems and it's not like the package was not available [08:39] he's not on this channel/on IRC it seems [08:39] not going to work [08:39] I think he has too much to do anyway [08:39] development machine should mean insecure ;P [08:39] probably a better chance to try to see if doko or infinity are interested in helping [08:39] oh, I see [08:40] they are the ones who care most about those archs usually [08:40] I will let chris know if he is around [08:40] and said in the past that they are happy to help fixing those builds issues [08:40] or rather than they prefer to help when needed that to see the archs ignored [08:41] [08:41] other topic [08:43] willcooke, is there a recommended trello way to deal with old items? I guess normal workflow would be to have a board active for a specific iteration/project so that would not been an issue, but we tend to use the same boards over longer periods and things stack in done ... I'm wondering if it would make sense to have a "done this $iteration (=week?)" and archive or something [08:44] Sweet5hark1, are you planning a lo upload in the near future? [08:44] * Laney needs a pitti [08:45] * Laney yodels out of the window [08:45] willcooke, I'm thinking that I could use the trello board to track my week work and make my meeting summary (replacing my tomboy note) but the "done" list include olds and new items which is a bit suboptimal [08:45] * pitti has joined #ubuntu-desktop [08:45] lol [08:45] summoning power! [08:45] seb128, what I tend to do is have a "done" column, and keep things in done for a few weeks in case I need to refer back to them, and then archive them once I'm happy they are really done. Archiving them means you can still get at them if you need to, but they don't get in the way [08:46] hum [08:46] gpg-agent systemd service is buggy [08:46] I guess that would work [08:46] * Laney is trying fixes but not convinced they are right [08:46] oh well, can fix it again when he comes back [08:46] cards are in order usually so it should be easy enough to see the list of the week [08:47] Laney, you can maybe try asking on #debian-systemd what they think? [08:47] or ask here but unsure we have much systemd experts around [08:47] willcooke, thanks [08:48] seb128: good idea [08:48] :-) [08:49] there's too many things providing ssh agents [08:50] which makes difficult to know which one should be used? [08:50] ah, almost forgetting... Hey people... [08:50] nah it's handled [08:50] hey seb128, do you know why online-accounts integration is complety broken [08:50] but not for the gpg-agent case, need to add it there [08:50] hi Trevinho [08:51] hi Laney [08:51] i mean is it just a bug ? [08:51] or something else? :) [08:51] I would love to fix that to... Having gnome-calendar is a no-sense without being able to sync google acccounts [08:52] works for me [08:52] it's not the most solid part of the desktop though [08:52] -> mardy for questions about that stack [08:52] so it's just a bug... [08:53] in the sense that it's a thing which is meant to work [08:53] if it doesn't work then it is a bug [08:53] but I don't see how gnome-online-accounts can talk with ubuntu-online-accounts [08:53] it's ubuntu online accounts [08:53] -> e-d-s -> gnome-calendar [08:54] eds? [08:54] evolution? [08:55] related [08:58] Laney: weird... I tried in a new install to setup a google sync, and no way.... I can't add new calendars there [08:58] but all the others gnome-online-accounts are broken [08:58] good morning Trevinho & andyrock! [08:58] hi seb128, good morning too! [08:59] good morning seb128 [08:59] andyrock, we don't use gnome-online-accounts in Unity [08:59] what is not working? [08:59] yeah but would be nice to do so :P [08:59] seb128: I can't just add my google calendars... [08:59] how so? [08:59] Never been able [08:59] we have ubuntu-online-account [08:59] i mean my online accounts do nothing [08:59] I thought it was a known issue [08:59] Trevinho, ? in u-c-c -> online you can add a google account [08:59] that includes calendar [08:59] wfm [09:00] you need to restart your session to have e-d-s picking it up though [09:00] which is a known issue [09:00] seb128: yeah but gnome-apps uses gnome-online-accounts [09:00] or at least restart e-d-s [09:00] andyrock, which ones? e-d-s and empathy have backends for goa and uoa [09:00] gnome-calendar uses eds not online accounts [09:00] doko: yes, planning to upload RSN. [09:00] shotwell uses uoa [09:01] shotwell does not work neither [09:01] define "not work" [09:01] does nothing [09:01] what are you trying to od? [09:01] does not import pictures [09:01] seb128: I can't see my calendars there, nor I can add new events to these [09:01] that has nothing to do with accounts [09:01] Trevinho, do you have a google account configured in ucc online? [09:01] is calendar enabled for it? [09:02] Yeah, no calendar is shown as customer though [09:03] seb128: i don't see calendar in the list [09:04] andyrock, Trevinho, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/uoa.png [09:04] just "photos search plugin", "shotwell" , "google drive search plugin" [09:04] seb128: I've only these https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wW4sJGMQ/ [09:04] same for me [09:04] This is in a clean xenial install [09:05] i have "contacts" too in Y [09:05] andyrock, Trevinho, dpkg -l | grep account-plugin-google [09:05] andyrock, Trevinho, dpkg -l | grep evolution-data-server-uoa [09:05] seb128: there they are [09:06] Trevinho, the eds as well? [09:06] ok second no [09:06] that's your issue [09:06] evolution-data-server-online-accounts [09:06] no [09:06] that's the gnome one [09:06] you need -uoa for ubuntu/unity [09:06] i don't have it [09:07] that's your issue [09:07] $ sudo apt-get install evolution-data-server-uoa [09:07] Reading package lists... Done [09:07] Building dependency tree [09:07] Reading state information... Done [09:07] E: Unable to locate package evolution-data-server-uoa [09:07] ops sorry wanted to pastebin [09:07] oh [09:07] wait, did we undo that split? [09:08] no idea but this is a clean X [09:08] it's not possible to find that package at all [09:08] -ubuntu maybe? [09:08] sorry it's evolution-data-server-online-accounts [09:08] hum [09:08] Is there a guideline on whether things in main should build-dep things in universe? [09:09] Oh, it conflicts with mir session [09:09] duflu, they should build-dep on things they need to build [09:09] seb128: OK, so it would just be more polished, but not required, to stay in main? [09:09] so maybe that was removed because I installed the mir session? [09:09] Trevinho, talk to mardy [09:09] Trevinho, likely [09:09] err, the unity8-mir session [09:09] nope [09:09] I think the touch accounts are slightly incompatible [09:09] i never installed mir [09:10] my install isn't purel clean, so... But I 'd like to check on fresh install... Since I think I tried that on my first install and it wasn't working too [09:10] duflu, I don't understand the question. You can Build-Depends on something in universe only if it doesn't lead to a binary in main to get a runtime depends on something in universe [09:11] seb128: Great, thanks, good to know [09:11] yw [09:11] although it has a good rdepends it seems [09:11] duflu, if you get a runtime depends then that package needs to be MIRed/promoted [09:11] Trevinho, andyrock, I'm booting an iso in a vm, let's see [09:12] but I tested that a bit before xenial because we had issues, it was working by then [09:16] andyrock, Trevinho, that's a 16.04 iso booted in a vm where I just opened u-c-c -> online accounts and added my canonical one, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/online.png [09:16] andyrock, Trevinho, then you need to click the "auth" button at the top (which is a known issue/a bit annoying) and restart your session [09:17] just did that and gnome-calendar lists my canonical calendar [09:18] Mh, i was trying yakkety in the mean time... But the link in gnome calendar options is still wrong (it points to GOA), and the online accounts plugged window is always black [09:18] had a notification on login saying the auth was needed again though, so had to go to u-c-c->online to reclick the button [09:18] Trevinho, what link? [09:18] the cog? [09:18] ok it works now [09:19] andyrock, what did you change? [09:19] seb128: gnome calendar -> add calendar -> online.... [09:19] not sure why it was not installed [09:19] i just intalled it [09:19] :D [09:19] I only see that if I install the mir session, it gets uninstalled [09:20] so it's probably what it happened here [09:20] andyrock, ^ maybe that was your issue [09:20] we need to sort that out with mardy [09:20] we want to install unity8 by default in 16.10 [09:20] oki, i cannot add events from gnome-calendar to my google calendar account [09:20] Trevinho, k, you shouldn't have a online account under unity [09:20] but at least they get imported [09:21] Sweet5hark1, hi, I assume doko was referring to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.61.html [09:21] Trevinho, or maybe there is an issue with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calendar/3.20.2-0ubuntu2 [09:21] Trevinho, what is your XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ? [09:21] * Trevinho closed the VM :-P [09:22] k [09:22] but, it should be fine... I think [09:22] let me download the deb [09:22] it's just a clean yakkety install [09:22] yeah, maybe it regressed in yakkety [09:22] I'm using xenial so I can't say [09:23] it's all a plan from you guys to make me update ot yakkety right? ;-) [09:23] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SbaNrg1f/Here%20it%20is [09:26] That patch does not influence the "From Web" bit. [09:26] Show a screenshot of the "Calendar Settings" page [09:26] Press the cog and see if you get unity-control-center [09:26] If you do, then the patch works [09:26] patch*es* [09:29] Trevinho, Laney, that screenshot shows a bug in the italian translation [09:29] that href is wrong [09:29] here it shows a blue label [09:29] and clicking on it opens uoa [09:29] well, but... in xenial is fine [09:29] still [09:29] translation issue :p [09:29] :) [09:29] ok [09:29] or gtk 3.20 issue [09:30] I don't think we had langpack updates in yakkety [09:30] ah, ok [09:30] I don't see anything to change in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/gnome-calendar/+pots/gnome-calendar/it/+translate though [09:30] does it work in C locale? [09:31] all this to complain about the broken href? [09:31] i don't think so [09:31] Laney, "all this"? [09:31] 40 minutes of debugging [09:31] Laney, they had eds-online-account missing and we figured out it conflicts with unity8 [09:32] what's the thing about the patch then? [09:32] that was the next issue [09:32] now they had the calendar working [09:32] but Trevinho found that this screen was confusing [09:34] Trevinho, looks fine with gtk 3.20 in ld_library_path on my xenial so maybe not a gtk issue, anyway we are down to a minor pb ... try in english if that works [09:35] seb128: yeah, english works [09:35] Trevinho, andyrock, can you please open a bug about the online account conflict? [09:35] seb128: not the UOA selection though [09:35] oh? what does it do? [09:35] ah, no wait... It was maybe a network issue [09:35] I had back the "black box" issue back [09:35] but it seems to be fxied [09:35] fixed* [09:36] Trevinho, andyrock, also since you guys are in calendar testing mode, can you try to look at why the unity dash doesn't pick it as recently used? [09:36] it's never in the recent items [09:36] good [09:36] cause it's not working well here, so we blacklisted it... [09:36] :-P [09:36] not true... [09:36] * seb128 slapd Trevinho with a trout [09:37] :) [09:37] gnome-software is the same btw [09:37] I guess that has somewhat to do with the fact that they are dbus activated [09:37] or gapplication started as a service [09:37] ah.... [09:38] Might be, although we should only care about .desktop files launched there [09:38] yeah, needs debugging [09:38] it's often annoying me though :p [09:38] especially that "cal" lists the calculator and libreoffice before the calendar [09:39] but that's another topic ;-) [09:39] on that note going for some errands and lunch [09:39] bbl [09:42] seb128: yeah, that's a known thing. But.... Cal is closer to Calc than to Calculator... [09:58] Trevinho: what's the news on the unity7 systemd unit? [09:58] there's some race conditions now because it lives in upstart still [10:02] Laney: I've to check the mp, but.... Unity7 doesn't build in yakkety anymore now because of g++6. [10:02] I mean it builds, but test segfaults [10:02] /o\ [10:02] I'm looking at it now, so no landing is possibile anyway [10:02] ok [10:02] it's not the end of the world [10:03] just sometimes you get the wrong ssh agent and stuff [10:03] which I suppose is because the upstart and systemd stuff race [10:03] might be [10:04] like unity gets started before some of the units have set the initctl environment [10:37] * Sweet5hark1 reads backlog. === willcooke_ is now known as willcooke [10:38] * Sweet5hark1 wonders what willcooke_s trainer level is [10:38] * willcooke checks [10:38] 11 [10:39] Trevinho, what's that magic command to reenable all the unity plugings etc? My googlefoo is weak [10:40] willcooke: ahh, that when its starts with the pidgeys getting annoying! http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20160801 [10:41] willcooke: on yakkety or xenial? [10:41] Trevinho, x [10:41] Sweet5hark1, yeah, I've given up even trying with weedles, pidgets, rattats etc [10:41] willcooke: gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins "['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', [10:41] 'unityshell']" [10:41] thx Trevinho [10:41] andyrock made it easyer for Y and will be SRUed to x too, btw [10:42] Trevinho, andyrock \m/ [10:43] seb128, willcooke: I still feel the libreoffice snap is widely undertested. When I blog about it to call folks to use it where should they report bugs? I assume upstream isnt yet happy with that yet. Trello isnt public and likely an account creation hassle. Launchpad against the dpkg package for now although its wrong? [10:44] Sweet5hark1, you could start a new LP thing, or just use the current one and use tags? [10:45] willcooke: new LP thing likely is even more confusing. For now, using the current one with tags is wrong but likely a good pragmatic solution. [10:45] willcooke: thx [10:46] :) [10:47] Trevinho, what does one do if you get a dconf "could not connect" error? [10:47] oh.... I'm not used to that... I guess desrt knows that. [10:47] willcooke: oh and pidgets are still important. 12 pidget drops and you can evolve it, which gains you XP. thus: collect a bazillion pidgets, throw a lucky egg and evolve all the pidgets => instant trainer levels. #justsaying [10:48] Sweet5hark1, I've got an evolved pigeot (or whatever it's called) so bored of them now [10:48] Could not connect? Sounds like dbus... [10:49] desrt, fwd'd you a screen shot on telegram [10:49] the modern age [10:49] :) [10:50] It that a snap? [10:50] dbus-user-session forever [10:50] I guess someone disabled dbus access [10:50] not a snap, this was a 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade which crapped out [10:50] Or what Laney said [10:50] willcooke: yeah, you dont want them, you just want the XP. I immediately fight those evolved to near death in an area afterwards and send them to the prof: "Hey prof, here is another mostly dead bird." [10:50] At lunch now... Will be back shortly. [10:51] thx desrt [10:51] willcooke: try dbus-run-session [10:51] Sweet5hark1, ha, nice [10:51] desrt: I thought it was suspicious that you were using upper case ... [11:06] so, gnome folks, I need help with gtk3 rendering of toolbars. I want to set a special theming class for the LibreOffice toolbars. Im using gtk_style_context_add_class(ctx, "TerminalScreen") now on the toolbars to see if it does any difference, but it doesnt ... [11:08] ... and Im not sure if that is expected to render different: It e.g. sets some background attrs, but I dont know if that is overpainted due to stuff elsewhere in the theme. [11:11] So ... what would be a sure fire way to change the appearance of the toolbar rendering? Is there something (I dont care how ugly) that is clearly showing this custom class is working? Something like "make it bright red and burn my eyes!"? Or is there a way to mod the theme to have that? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:35] wohaha [11:36] * Sweet5hark1 managed to make the libreoffice toolbar paint something in very ugly red. [11:38] ok, its a small piece: just the toolbar separators are bright red now. But at least it shows this works. [11:38] Sweet5hark1 on his way to be our new theme maintainer it seems ;-) [11:38] If only I knew were the dark gradient in the background comes from in the theme. [11:38] seb128: no [11:38] seb128: nono [11:40] :-) [11:40] seb128: http://i.imgur.com/MX3mV4o.mp4 [11:40] Sweet5hark1, btw I agree on using the ubuntu package for libreoffice snap issues [11:40] easier than the other options [11:41] seb128: good, will blog about then soonish calling for testing (and diverting the lynch mob there) [11:41] is there any reason you don't push it to the stable channel btw? [11:43] seb128: Didnt want to risk it on upstream release day to mitigate a too-many-fires-at-the-same-time scenario. I didnt get too much feedback on it so far. [11:43] k [11:43] seb128: but yeah, will do in the next days. [11:44] at the same time it's pretty isolated from your system and not a lot of people rely on/use it [11:44] so the potential to create damages is limited [11:46] seb128: well, I intentionally havent moved over 5.2.0 to the libreoffice-fresh ppa as usual. Hoping those folk (on yakkety and xenial) will give the snap a try instead. [11:46] +1 [11:46] do we get stats on the downloads from the store? [11:47] seb128: (there is still a dpkg build in the libreoffice-prereleases ppa, for those who really search for it) [11:47] seb128: oh yeah there is! [11:47] nice [11:48] Sweet5hark1, also why no i386 build? did you try to build your snaps on launchpad from a vcs (if you push a branch with the yaml you can tell launchpad to build from it) [11:55] seb128: up until recently I had a "sudo dot -c" in the build script because it seemed to have healed the documentation foo generation going wrong. I recently found the docs are still broken with it and removing it doesnt ftbfs. So yeah, can give that a try (while punting the "graphwiz does want to generate pngs in snapcraft" issue for later) [11:56] seb128: so with a "sudo" in there lp wasnt an option, but yeah, now it should work. [11:56] would be cool [11:56] also I really need to migrate to 64 bits at some point :p [11:57] seb128: hah! so you are not one of the 19 French guys who installed the snap so far. [11:58] no! [11:58] didrocks might be one though ;-) [11:59] seb128: France isnt doing bad: position 5 in the list ;) [11:59] hum, us / de ... who else, es? uk? [12:00] seb128: us, de, uk, brazil, fr, it, canada [12:01] note I explicitly had a pt-BR locale included as LibreOffice is pretty big there. [12:02] (I'm not either ;)) [12:02] didrocks, let's fix that and get fr up in the list ;-) [12:02] meh :) [12:04] likely this: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=libreoffice%20ppa&src=typd <- needs some strong communication wrt "use snap packages instead of ppa" to counter the bazillion "new libreoffice out, how to install right now" which recommend the ppas. [12:04] Sweet5hark1, in case you will copy 5.2 to the fresh ppa, you can copy the backports too [12:16] ricotz: willdo, thanks! [12:18] make it be an empty package that runs snap from the postinst :-) [12:19] Laney: that will work great on trusty and precise, I guess. [12:19] Ah, then include snappy inside the .deb [12:24] Laney: https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/70403419.jpg [12:25] :D [12:29] dcmd --deb sudo dpkg -iO blah_arch.changes [12:29] new command of the day [12:31] useful! [12:33] yeah === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:33] dpkg -iO *gnome-terminal*3.20*.deb # oh crap, errors about dbgsym [12:33]