[05:46] <EriC^^> "the upgrader won't work, i only have a dozen saucy, precise, and debian jessie ppa's"
[05:46] <EriC^^> :D
[05:49] <OerHeks> it is all our fault.
[05:49] <EriC^^> of course
[05:49] <EriC^^> ubuntu sucks
[05:49] <EriC^^> not friendly
[05:49] <EriC^^> windows is way better
[05:49] <OerHeks> 'other rooms don't answer'
[05:50] <EriC^^> or i'm a leet linux user and arch linux is great
[05:50] <OerHeks> now, tell me all about <package>
[06:35] <ducasse> morning!
[06:46] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[06:51] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - how are you?
[06:51] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[06:52] <ducasse> still waking up :)
[06:52] <EriC^^> :)
[06:53] <ducasse> started working on some scripts late last night, and lost track of time :)
[06:54] <EriC^^> :)
[06:55] <EriC^^> my sleep cycle has been a little off, woke up at like 5am then slept some more
[06:55] <EriC^^> the a/c went off cause of the electricity switching (government to local) and i woke up cause it was so hot
[06:59] <ducasse> by now it's already starting to cool down here, last night i actually had to turn on a heater...
[07:03] <EriC^^> which country?
[07:03] <ducasse> morway.
[07:03] <ducasse> norway :)
[07:03] <ducasse> ugh. bloody laptop keyboard.
[07:03] <EriC^^> aha :)
[07:04] <EriC^^> i used to have a friend from norway ages ago
[07:04] <EriC^^> his name was Anders
[07:05] <EriC^^> he used to tell me in norway lots of people have a lot of money
[07:05] <ducasse> i love it here, but then again i don't like heat..
[07:05] <EriC^^> like most people are really wealthy or something
[07:06] <ducasse> on average the population is pretty well off, i guess, but i woulddn't say they're rich. depends on what you compare with.
[07:07] <ducasse> living here is extremely expensive.
[07:07] <EriC^^> aha
[07:08] <ducasse> oslo is supposed to be one of the most expensive cities in the world, according to what i've heard. food, rent, entertainment - everything.
[07:10] <OerHeks> But Norway got green-energy ( waterpower and such)
[07:11] <ducasse> yes, over 90% of our energy is hydro.
[07:11] <EriC^^> nice
[07:16] <OerHeks> Life in NL is expensive too, but i manage with 1000 euro's/ month
[07:19] <ducasse> a little less than what i have, but in the same ballpark :) i'd guess nl and no are pretty much the same in many ways, but i've never been there.
[07:20] <OerHeks> it is flat.
[07:21] <OerHeks> we call a hill of 100 feet a mountain
[07:22] <ducasse> :)
[07:23] <ducasse> flaatest place i've ever been was denmark, if i'm not mistaken the highest point in the country is less than 200m.
[07:23] <ducasse> *flattest
[07:23] <OerHeks> denmark is more like germany.
[07:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:01] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[08:33] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[11:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:12] <OerHeks> heya BluesKaj
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks
[11:16] <BluesKaj> gonna be 33C here today ...hottest day so far this summer ..relief from the heat tomorrow , only 27 :-)
[11:18] <OerHeks> fix that timemachine please
[13:15] <pauljw_vm> Hi everyone
[13:47] <BluesKaj_> Hi pauljw_vm , how goes it /
[13:49] <pauljw_vm> hi BluesKaj_ , doing fine, you?
[13:50] <BluesKaj_> good here, just fooling around with the rpi ...kind of fun to have a new toy :-)
[13:50] <pauljw_vm> :)
[13:52] <BluesKaj_> especially being stuck in the house in this heat the last couple days...not used 90F temps here
[13:53] <pauljw_vm> yeah, it's been hot.  we've at least gotten some rain, hope you have too.
[13:54] <BluesKaj_> not for a week or so ...starting to dry up again, might get some t-storms tomorrow
[13:58] <pauljw_vm> so what are your plans for the rpi?
[14:00] <BluesKaj_> right now iḿ experimenting with kodi (XBMC)
[14:00] <BluesKaj_> I can understand why some people buy those android boxes for so called ¨free tv¨ with kodi installed on them.
[14:03] <ducasse> kodi! <3
[14:03] <BluesKaj_> cable and sattelite tv service is quite expensive here so some people are dumping their cable a sat services in favour of one of the android boxes , but I find the software somewhat clunky
[14:04] <pauljw_vm> yeah, but aren't they kinda shady?  yep, sat tv runs me about $140/mo here.  would love to come up with a cheaper legal solution.  part of the problems of living in the country.
[14:06] <pauljw_vm> the upside of country living... my wife and got to watch twin fawns in the yard for about an hour this morning. :)
[14:06] <pauljw_vm> and I*
[14:07] <BluesKaj_> I cut my sat service back from 125/mos to 60 ..and I don´t miss many of the channels we dropped
[14:07] <pauljw_vm> :)
[14:10] <BluesKaj_> the kodi defaul tv channels is legal,  the áddons' which use servers that contain pirated tv chans are illegal
[14:11] <pauljw_vm> ok, i thought i read where some of the free tv boxes were doing some things that weren't as they should be...
[14:12] <daftykins> yeah you'd have a full time job updating those addons to keep working with newer streams as they gut shut down, that's ignoring the fact you'd have to morally be ok with breaking the law
[14:12] <daftykins> and all the copyright infringement that goes with it
[14:12] <BluesKaj_> pauljw_vm,  kodi is basically internet tv wrapped up in a comprehensive package with a video and audio player
[14:12] <daftykins> oh - and you're paying money to someone who's profiting from an open source project via naughty scams
[14:14] <pauljw_vm> :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj_> yeah , the courts here have shut down some distrubutors advertising free tv boxes , so now they don advert as freetv  :-)
[14:15] <daftykins> heh
[14:15] <BluesKaj_> thatś here in Canada, dunno about other countries
[14:16] <daftykins> i see the BBC are closing the loophole where i didn't have to pay for a TV license to watch their on-demand content (only live TV was restricted to license ownership)
[14:16] <daftykins> so soon i won't be able to use anything but their website i think
[14:16] <daftykins> although i don't really use them anyway...
[14:17] <daftykins> as good as local news reporting always was - "a fish was stolen today..."
[14:18] <pauljw_vm> lol
[14:19] <ducasse> "cat has kittens"
[14:20] <daftykins> aww ducasse i didn't watch todays ;)
[14:21] <ducasse> i get the local paper for free, it's full of stories like that :)
[14:21] <daftykins> hehe
[14:21] <ducasse> more heartwarming than global news, though :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj_> text color in hexchat
[14:22] <daftykins> absolutely, i can complain but it's nice to have non-news than killings, bombings or disappearing planes
[14:22] <BluesKaj_> oops
[14:26] <ducasse> stumbled across this today, don't know if you've seen it before: http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste
[14:26] <pauljw_vm> i've considered getting one of the hdtv antennas to see what is available here for free in the air stuff...  i can remember having just 4 channels in black and white, could probably live like that again.
[14:27] <daftykins> honestly i never copy and paste commands because it's lazy :(
[14:30] <pauljw_vm> it's a dangerous world out there...
[14:30]  * daftykins remembers those printed BASIC computer game books
[14:31] <daftykins> line 11,503 PRINT ...
[14:31] <daftykins> :D
[14:31] <pauljw_vm> me too
[14:31] <ducasse> 11504 data 4a bf 00 ae...
[14:34] <BluesKaj_> pauljw_vm,  some friends near large cities 40mi away or so get OTA HDTV reception with simple digital antennas which are much smaller than the old analog monstrosities of yesteryear
[14:36] <BluesKaj_> one thing about digital signals over the air, you either get a decent picture or no picture at all
[14:36] <pauljw_vm> yeah, our walmart sells them and has antennas installed so you can buy the hdtv antenna that will reach from home to walmart. :)  might try it.
[14:36] <BluesKaj_> no snow etc
[14:36] <daftykins> i dunno about that, i've seen a lot of artefacting due to low bitrate streams and also compression artefacting like a bad jpeg
[14:36] <pauljw_vm> ewwww
[14:37] <daftykins> the worst case scenario for video quality? falling confetti... that happens at the end of some game shows, the picture turns into some kind of abstract art :)
[14:37] <pauljw_vm> heheh
[14:40] <BluesKaj_> never seen that but I visiit there for only 2 days ...here in the boonies weŕe too far from any digital OTA tv signals. The conversion to digital here was only forced on channels in cities with over 250K . The rest were allowed to keep their analog transmitters
[14:41] <daftykins> ah har
[14:41] <BluesKaj_> 250K population that is
[14:42] <daftykins> mmm analog got the chop quite early here
[14:43] <BluesKaj_> well, we have a large land mass here with a small population...digital isn prcactical from an economic pov
[14:43] <BluesKaj_> in the boonies
[14:46] <BluesKaj_> in short, all the large cities are enjoying free OTA HDTV, the rest of us have to settle for paid sat or cable service
[14:46] <daftykins> interesting, over here you can get a box for the free satellite channels too
[14:47] <daftykins> so it's freeview (DVB-T2 aerial) or freesat (DVB-S(2))
[14:47] <daftykins> though i'm glad to use no service whatsoever :D
[14:50] <BluesKaj_> well, Iḿ looking at cutting the satellite cord, ...not sure I can convince the wife tho, she not to impressed with kodi so far
[14:50] <ducasse> cable is embedded in my rent, unfortunately, so i pay for it whether i want it or not. on the plus side, that means i get cheaper broadband :)
[14:50] <BluesKaj_> too impressed
[14:51] <pauljw_vm> yeah, my wife is a tv addict and whatever i replace directv with is going to have meet here requirements.
[14:53] <pauljw_vm> her
[14:53] <pauljw_vm> i must learn to type...
[14:53] <BluesKaj_> well, 60 bucks a month is pretty cheap and wife is happy with the Bell TV sat servce as is.
[14:53] <pauljw_vm> that's not bad, i'd love to get tv down to $60
[14:54] <BluesKaj_> Iḿ having probs with this new wireless KB , maybe I´ḿ too far from the rpi
[14:56] <BluesKaj_> pauljw_vm,  we get all the big networks , no specialty movie chans or stuff like History and Discovery etc
[14:57] <pauljw_vm> :)
[15:09] <daftykins> Kodi is great when you use it for what it's supposed to be used for
[15:09] <daftykins> start using illegal addons? gonna have a bad time.
[15:38] <pauljw_vm> biab... need to get the yard mowed before it rains today.  :(
[15:39]  * daftykins puts the raindance on hold
[15:39] <daftykins> my soldering gear dispatched this morning \o/
[15:49]  * ducasse wonders if daftykins will have any working electronics left by next weekend
[15:49] <daftykins> none in sight!
[15:49] <daftykins> you'll have to watch for * daftykins has quit (busy soldering all the things to all the other things)
[15:50] <DJones> I wonder if daftykins will have any fingers left by next weekend, thats my bad experience of soldering
[15:50] <DJones> Burnt fingers due to lack of precise control
[15:52] <daftykins> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ansaEaRvL._SL1000_.jpg
[15:52] <daftykins> there's definitely some length from hand grip to tip
[15:54] <BluesKaj_> daftykins,  kodi is ok for internet tv, but I dont like software that tries to take over all your media
[15:54] <daftykins> take over?
[15:55] <daftykins> you point it to a folder of Films or TV series, tell it that it's full of Film/TV then it gets info from online
[15:55] <daftykins> it leaves the files alone other than to allow them to be launched
[15:59] <BluesKaj_> for my movie files I like VLC due to itś DD and DTS audio capabilities , and mpv for difficult video that corrupts on vlc and dragon player
[15:59] <daftykins> Kodi can handle passthrough audio too (DD and DTS)
[16:00] <daftykins> plus all the newer formats
[16:09] <BluesKaj_> yes kodi has settings for passthru which I use but i have no hdmi on my audio receiver so I run run it thru my panasonic tv which for some reason converts most DD  and DTS to pcm stereo
[16:09] <daftykins> are you still running HDMI to the TV, then using optical from the TV to the receiver?
[16:10] <BluesKaj_> yes
[16:11] <daftykins> yeah sounds like the TV is negotiating itself as a 2.0 only device, i've seen that with mine too
[16:11] <daftykins> might still be able to bitstream but my guess is the TV ignores it and doesn't pass it on down the optical?
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> daftykins,  I have seen some DD signals successfully pass thru the tv to the receiver, but rarely
[16:13] <daftykins> time for a lovely modern AVR :D
[16:15] <BluesKaj_> yeah , but my trusty old HK is difficult to part with . iĺl settle for VLC and mpv for movies
[16:15] <daftykins> :)
[16:16] <daftykins> i'm still eyeing up this NAD stereo amplifier and a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 speakers on a local trade site, but the guy is proving very bad at communication
[16:18] <BluesKaj_> NAD, still in business? I had one of heir FM tuners, it was a real station grabber, probly the best FM reception I ever had in my area
[16:18] <daftykins> neat :D it definitely seems very well received
[16:19] <daftykins> http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-315BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier
[16:19] <BluesKaj_> it even picked up the neighbour´s baby monitor:-)
[16:19] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:20] <daftykins> thought you tuned into a baby radio program at first, eh? :D
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> hehe
[16:21] <daftykins> seriously though, to put up an ad and say "80 each" then in an email ask for £170 for the two, very cheeky
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> hmm, bad math
[16:23] <daftykins> my first email asked 5 questions too, guy replied a week later "yes it's still available" - nice
[16:23]  * daftykins facepalms
[16:23] <daftykins> it's like i was back in #ubuntu ;)
[16:26] <BluesKaj_> the NAD seems like a nice amp tho, their products have always received good bench test and listening reviews, especially for the price
[16:27] <daftykins> mmm i think i'd be foolish to miss out on a deal like this - just a shame this guy has to be so awkward
[16:29] <BluesKaj_> I liked the sound of wharfdales as well , but that was along time ago
[16:31] <daftykins> there seems to be a lot of variation in comments on them, some say they lack mid-range, others that they lack low end, but i just want high quality low volume listening really
[16:39] <BluesKaj_> I have mixmatch type of HT speaker setup , Paradigm 5semk3 L&R, daulquist center . boston acoustics A40s for L&R surround and a Dahlquist sub that can almost compete with more expensive subs at 3 times itś price
[16:41] <BluesKaj_> the sound is quite good mostly altho at my age maybe a crisper center channel speaker might help voice clarity
[16:47] <daftykins> :D
[17:25] <DJones> Various people were talking about snap's yesterday/today, does this answer anything you handn't identified http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/command-sudo-snap-find-error-not-a-bug
[17:26]  * nacc can also help answer snap questions sort of, if there are more questions
[17:35] <ducasse> turns out that was a bug in the man page, where keywords were said to be optional - they no longer are, and there is no other way to list all available snaps.
[18:06] <pauljw_vm> biab, thunderstorm approaching...
[18:06] <daftykins> d'aww paul's kryptonite
[22:54] <daftykins> !info kodi-pvr-mythtv