[03:07] morning [06:18] goor moning mapps [08:43] morning boys and girls [09:10] Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Chip Cookie Day! 😁 đŸȘ [09:11] disaster... no choc chip cookies in the house... were was the 2 week build up at local supermarkets like they have for valentines day?! [09:11] anyone know how to get the package containing synclient? [09:11] package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not availabel but is referred by another package [10:03] foobarry: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics exists here [10:03] thx, i was on livecd, so had issue. turns out my device isn't synaptic [10:03] having terrible issues with my touchpad [10:15] how would i find out the driver version being used by a touchpad? [10:23] ? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41817/linux-how-to-find-the-device-driver-used-for-a-device === willcooke_ is now known as willcooke [11:10] managed to disable my keyboard \o/ [11:10] fixed the jittery mouse issue in doing so. now need to decide what i want the most === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:18] morning [11:30] morning [11:32] hello bittin [11:34] running Ubuntu on a friends chromebook here watching a bit of Assembly [11:39] it does seem the only way to replace my now ancient netbook is to run ubuntu on a chromebook... [11:46] this is a fun one: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2016/04/25/debugging-memory-corruption-who-the-hell-writes-2-into-my-stack-2/ [11:53] i understand a small amount of that [11:53] "Somebody had been touching my sentinel’s privates – and it definitely wasn’t a friend. " made me chuckle [11:53] :-p [11:54] popey, I think you've been spending too much time listening to my innuendo [11:54] if that's what you kids call it these days... :-P [12:00] love space-hair! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-S4NxNYnoU [12:03] closest thing to a tricorder yet when you can glance at female astronaut hair for quick check of air tight integrity... :-P === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:07] is it a limitation of X that ubuntu can't scale each screen's window-contents separately? if I set scale to screen with largest controls then everything is huge on my 72dpi screens and if I set to scale to the smallest controls then everything is too tiny on my retina screen [13:07] where 72dpi is a synonym for "normal" [13:18] no, that is not a limitation of X [13:18] there are multiple different ways ubuntu could do that [13:24] still at least it's better than before when nothing was scaled at all [13:25] this is incremental progress, which is good [13:25] I prefer incremental development to revolution === Darkstar is now known as Guest76500 [14:52] launchpad having a bit of a wobble [14:52] timeouts on performing actions [14:55] foobarry, perhaps the americans got their measurements wrong again and the rocket is veering offcourse (launchpad) [14:55] "Timeout error, please try again in a few minutes." [14:55] cannot save a bug as a dupe [14:56] perhaps someone needs to file a bug about launchpad, on launchpad [14:57] i think that would tear a hole in all that we know [14:57] oh, yeah, launchpad is broken so you can't file a bug about launchpad on launchpad because launchpad is down [14:58] daftykins, like God disproving his own existence in a puff of logic? [15:02] whom? ;) [15:02] fixed now. i knew going for a poo fwould fix it [15:02] but have you calculated how much you're being paid for that strategy? [15:21] I see omgubuntu claiming that dekko will be snapped soon. I wonder how soon that soon is? [15:45] foobarry: popey: Just looking at todays updates for Ubuntu, there is an update to "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft signed binary)" I wonder if that is to deal with the problem you had yesterday [15:46] o0 [15:46] what problem was that? [15:47] 11:45 < foobarry> anniversary update totally hosed my grub [15:47] I thought that was completely wiping non-windows partitions from the gpt/mbr [15:48] I think popey will know more about the issue, he tweeted something about it [15:49] popey tweeted about linux partitions disappearing, as I said [15:49] Yeah, that was the one [15:49] I'm wondering if that update is the fix for it [15:49] grub cannot work if there's no partition for it's files [15:49] I fail to see how a grub update can fix a problem of the parition being not there [15:50] a secure boot update would have nothing to do with a legacy bootloader getting hosed [15:51] you'd think... [15:51] the issue wasn't anything to do with the bootloader. the partitions were physically gone [15:51] wat [15:52] the windows anniversary updater removed any linux partitions [15:52] seems dubious [15:52] no linux partitions, means nothing for grub to read it's config from [15:53] hence hosed grub [15:53] yeah i kinda know how it works [15:53] :P [15:56] is an office suite made of sugar and tastiness? [15:56] I like sweets [15:56] 365 flavours [15:56] so i hear [16:03] i wonder what config needs to be present to give it a trial run, it'd be interesting to see if i can replicate it [16:06] daftykins: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions Don't know if that gives you any extra info [16:07] I don't understand slashdot [16:07] what's the point of posting a verbatim copy of someone else's article? [16:07] well they filtered the pathetic Microsoft hatred from omgubuntu, so there's that [16:07] more to the point, why DJones did you link the slashdot and not the original? :-p [16:08] diddledan__: That was the first link that came up [16:08] Just looking at the comments from users on omgubuntu [16:10] Looks like most cases it works ok, just a small minority that have issues, not limited to Ubuntu, I see mentions of archlinux as well [16:12] i have a sneaking suspicion the people suffering would have installed Windows second [16:13] daftykins, ask foobarry [16:13] And looking at other links, its not limited to linux partitions, seems like its also wiping ntfs partitions as well [16:13] Thats reading through http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/ [16:15] eeeevnin [16:16] allo [16:16] \o [16:16] how's it going, knightwise ? [16:16] * DJones welcome knightwise [16:36] why is it so hard to just leave the partition table alone? [16:37] ali1234, yeah it's really sucky that windows is STILL making a mess of multi-boot scenarios [16:38] this is why i will only ever run windows in a VM [16:43] seen plenty of drama in #ubuntu - not like Linux is immune to woes [16:43] only cool to slate MS though i guess [16:44] daftykins, of course. it's all MS' fault. [16:44] i can't remember the last time linux had a data loss bug [16:45] daftykins, just like shauno should feel bad for being an apple fanboy :-p [16:45] probably btrfs [16:45] ali1234, with btrfs, any data loss has been with people that are running it before it's been deemed stable [16:45] diddledan__: :D [16:46] also completely unrealistic to claim that people only complain about MS [16:46] systemd [16:46] the borg of software [16:46] yeah. and gnome 3, and unity, and wayland [16:46] i don't believe that's what i said [16:46] * diddledan__ borgs daftykins [16:47] /nick diddlekins [16:47] O_@ [16:47] * daftykins is now known as diddlekins [16:47] or maybe daftydan? [17:00] the horror [17:00] radio 4 just played some of the pips at 6pm [17:01] as well as the bongs [17:01] it probably means there's a nuclear attack going on [17:05] somewhere the british sub commanders are looking up their emergency orders... [17:05] and cracking out the floppies [17:07] +++evacuate british subjects from rhodesia+++ this will be difficult for a number of reasons... :-P [17:08] zmoylan-pi, didn't Boris wonder where that place was? [17:08] some of boris's teachers probably were born there... [17:13] diddledan__: I doubt Boris even knows where the Isle of Wight, Falklands, Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man are [17:13] Or Ascension Island [17:14] zmoylan-pi: defending the Channel Islands will also be difficult, so we won't worry about that bit ;) [17:15] daftykins, we'll just let you get occupied again [17:15] yep [17:15] Laney: i flinched too [17:15] and start thinking about giving us back to France [17:15] sacrĂ© bleu [17:16] at least you can then ignore talks about brexit... :-P [17:16] * DJones puts daftykins on ebay [17:16] popey, Laney, was it like: pip pip booooooong? [17:16] zmoylan-pi: we could to begin with - and did [17:17] tomorrow it'll be *pip* *pip* *pip* *cuckoo* just to shake things up [17:17] lol [21:12] dee-da-dee [22:09] so kodi-pvr-mythtv in ubuntu doesn't work with the version of mythtv in ubuntu, which is the current stable release [22:09] the source package claims to be taken from a git repository which doesn't contain the source code [22:10] and as far as i can tell the claimed version number doesn't exist [22:45] ali1234: how about the PVR addons from the kodi repo? [22:45] assuming you don't have it added [22:46] there aren't any pvr addons in the kodi repo [22:46] the category straight up doesn't exist [22:46] there is a video add on called mythbox which is several years out of date [22:47] hmm surprising [22:48] there is a ppa which has a newer version of the pvr plugin [22:48] but when i install it, it just says "the add-on could not be loaded" [22:48] and the log says? [22:49] 23:45:47 T:140576512505600 ERROR: ADDON: Could not locate pvr.mythtv.so [22:49] wonder if you can pinch it from the other package [22:49] no need, the ppa installs it [22:49] /usr/lib/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so [22:49] kodi just can't find it because apparently it is brain damaged [22:50] maybe looking in the wrong place [22:50] how about throwing it in ~/.kodi/...blah blah [22:50] oh i see the problem [22:51] it is supposed to be at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so [22:51] i will just make a symlink [22:53] so was this 16.04, where the stable mythtv was updated and kodi-pvr-mythtv wasn't? just to work out where it's stemming from [22:53] it still doesn't work [22:54] yes it is 16.04 [22:54] mythtv 0.28 [22:54] pvr.mythtv 2.8.0 and 2.8.4 (ppa) [22:55] oh there's another version bump in 2.8.5 [22:55] i guess i will just build the package myself then [22:57] https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kodi-pvr-mythtv why are they so different o0 [22:57] there's found versions of kodi [22:58] and so there's four versions of the plugin maintained in parallel [22:58] 1.x is for helix, 2.x is for isengard, 3.x is for jarvis, 4.x is for the dev release [22:59] ah har [23:05] hey look at that it finally works [23:06] often get folks coming in asking where the PVR addons are, seems to be a mess [23:06] glad i don't touch liveTV setups [23:07] livetv is literally the only bit i want [23:07] i might just make my own [23:08] this was still easier than getting mythtv-frontend to work