[03:07] <mapps> morning
[06:18] <knightwise> goor moning mapps
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Chip Cookie Day! 😁  🍪
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> disaster... no choc chip cookies in the house... were was the 2 week build up at local supermarkets like they have for valentines day?!
[09:11] <foobarry> anyone know how to get the package containing synclient?
[09:11] <foobarry> package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not availabel but is referred by another package
[10:03] <popey> foobarry: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics exists here
[10:03] <foobarry> thx, i was on livecd, so had issue. turns out my device isn't synaptic
[10:03] <foobarry> having terrible issues with my touchpad
[10:15] <foobarry> how would i find out the driver version being used by a touchpad?
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> ? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41817/linux-how-to-find-the-device-driver-used-for-a-device
[11:10] <foobarry> managed to disable my keyboard \o/
[11:10] <foobarry> fixed the jittery mouse issue in doing so. now need to decide what i want the most
[11:18] <knightwise> morning
[11:30] <bittin> morning
[11:32] <popey> hello bittin
[11:34] <bittin> running Ubuntu on a friends chromebook here watching a bit of Assembly
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem the only way to replace my now ancient netbook is to run ubuntu on a chromebook...
[11:46] <diddledan__> this is a fun one: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2016/04/25/debugging-memory-corruption-who-the-hell-writes-2-into-my-stack-2/
[11:53] <popey> i understand a small amount of that
[11:53] <popey> "Somebody had been touching my sentinel’s privates – and it definitely wasn’t a friend. " made me chuckle
[11:53] <diddledan__> :-p
[11:54] <diddledan__> popey, I think you've been spending too much time listening to my innuendo
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> if that's what you kids call it these days... :-P
[12:00] <diddledan__> love space-hair! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-S4NxNYnoU
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> closest thing to a tricorder yet when you can glance at female astronaut hair for quick check of air tight integrity... :-P
[13:07] <diddledan__> is it a limitation of X that ubuntu can't scale each screen's window-contents separately? if I set scale to screen with largest controls then everything is huge on my 72dpi screens and if I set to scale to the smallest controls then everything is too tiny on my retina screen
[13:07] <diddledan__> where 72dpi is a synonym for "normal"
[13:18] <ali1234> no, that is not a limitation of X
[13:18] <ali1234> there are multiple different ways ubuntu could do that
[13:24] <diddledan__> still at least it's better than before when nothing was scaled at all
[13:25] <diddledan__> this is incremental progress, which is good
[13:25] <diddledan__> I prefer incremental development to revolution
[14:52] <foobarry> launchpad having a bit of a wobble
[14:52] <foobarry> timeouts on performing actions
[14:55] <diddledan__> foobarry, perhaps the americans got their measurements wrong again and the rocket is veering offcourse (launchpad)
[14:55] <foobarry> "Timeout error, please try again in a few minutes."
[14:55] <foobarry> cannot save a bug as a dupe
[14:56] <diddledan__> perhaps someone needs to file a bug about launchpad, on launchpad
[14:57] <daftykins> i think that would tear a hole in all that we know
[14:57] <diddledan__> oh, yeah, launchpad is broken so you can't file a bug about launchpad on launchpad because launchpad is down
[14:58] <diddledan__> daftykins, like God disproving his own existence in a puff of logic?
[15:02] <daftykins> whom? ;)
[15:02] <foobarry> fixed now. i knew going for a poo fwould fix it
[15:02] <daftykins> but have you calculated how much you're being paid for that strategy?
[15:21] <diddledan__> I see omgubuntu claiming that dekko will be snapped soon. I wonder how soon that soon is?
[15:45] <DJones> foobarry: popey: Just looking at todays updates for Ubuntu, there is an update to "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft signed binary)" I wonder if that is to deal with the problem you had yesterday
[15:46] <daftykins> o0
[15:46] <diddledan__> what problem was that?
[15:47] <DJones> 11:45 < foobarry> anniversary update totally hosed my grub
[15:47] <diddledan__> I thought that was completely wiping non-windows partitions from the gpt/mbr
[15:48] <DJones> I think popey will know more about the issue, he tweeted something about it
[15:49] <diddledan__> popey tweeted about linux partitions disappearing, as I said
[15:49] <DJones> Yeah, that was the one
[15:49] <DJones> I'm wondering if that update is the fix for it
[15:49] <diddledan__> grub cannot work if there's no partition for it's files
[15:49] <diddledan__> I fail to see how a grub update can fix a problem of the parition being not there
[15:50] <daftykins> a secure boot update would have nothing to do with a legacy bootloader getting hosed
[15:51] <daftykins> you'd think...
[15:51] <diddledan__> the issue wasn't anything to do with the bootloader. the partitions were physically gone
[15:51] <daftykins> wat
[15:52] <diddledan__> the windows anniversary updater removed any linux partitions
[15:52] <daftykins> seems dubious
[15:52] <diddledan__> no linux partitions, means nothing for grub to read it's config from
[15:53] <diddledan__> hence hosed grub
[15:53] <daftykins> yeah i kinda know how it works
[15:53] <daftykins> :P
[15:56] <diddledan__> is an office suite made of sugar and tastiness?
[15:56] <diddledan__> I like sweets
[15:56] <daftykins> 365 flavours
[15:56] <daftykins> so i hear
[16:03] <daftykins> i wonder what config needs to be present to give it a trial run, it'd be interesting to see if i can replicate it
[16:06] <DJones> daftykins: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions  Don't know if that gives you any extra info
[16:07] <diddledan__> I don't understand slashdot
[16:07] <diddledan__> what's the point of posting a verbatim copy of someone else's article?
[16:07] <daftykins> well they filtered the pathetic Microsoft hatred from omgubuntu, so there's that
[16:07] <diddledan__> more to the point, why DJones did you link the slashdot and not the original? :-p
[16:08] <DJones> diddledan__: That was the first link that came up
[16:08] <DJones> Just looking at the comments from users on omgubuntu
[16:10] <DJones> Looks like most cases it works ok, just a small minority that have issues, not limited to Ubuntu, I see mentions of archlinux as well
[16:12] <daftykins> i have a sneaking suspicion the people suffering would have installed Windows second
[16:13] <diddledan__> daftykins, ask foobarry
[16:13] <DJones> And looking at other links, its not limited to linux partitions, seems like its also wiping ntfs partitions as well
[16:13] <DJones> Thats reading through http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/
[16:15] <knightwise> eeeevnin
[16:16] <diddledan__> allo
[16:16] <daftykins> \o
[16:16] <daftykins> how's it going, knightwise ?
[16:16]  * DJones welcome knightwise 
[16:36] <ali1234> why is it so hard to just leave the partition table alone?
[16:37] <diddledan__> ali1234, yeah it's really sucky that windows is STILL making a mess of multi-boot scenarios
[16:38] <ali1234> this is why i will only ever run windows in a VM
[16:43] <daftykins> seen plenty of drama in #ubuntu - not like Linux is immune to woes
[16:43] <daftykins> only cool to slate MS though i guess
[16:44] <diddledan__> daftykins, of course. it's all MS' fault.
[16:44] <ali1234> i can't remember the last time linux had a data loss bug
[16:45] <diddledan__> daftykins, just like shauno should feel bad for being an apple fanboy :-p
[16:45] <ali1234> probably btrfs
[16:45] <diddledan__> ali1234, with btrfs, any data loss has been with people that are running it before it's been deemed stable
[16:45] <daftykins> diddledan__: :D
[16:46] <ali1234> also completely unrealistic to claim that people only complain about MS
[16:46] <diddledan__> systemd
[16:46] <diddledan__> the borg of software
[16:46] <ali1234> yeah. and gnome 3, and unity, and wayland
[16:46] <daftykins> i don't believe that's what i said
[16:46]  * diddledan__ borgs daftykins 
[16:47] <diddledan__> /nick diddlekins
[16:47] <daftykins> O_@
[16:47]  * daftykins is now known as diddlekins
[16:47] <diddledan__> or maybe daftydan?
[17:00] <Laney> the horror
[17:00] <Laney> radio 4 just played some of the pips at 6pm
[17:01] <Laney> as well as the bongs
[17:01] <Laney> it probably means there's a nuclear attack going on
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere the british sub commanders are looking up their emergency orders...
[17:05] <daftykins> and cracking out the floppies
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> +++evacuate british subjects from rhodesia+++ this will be difficult for a number of reasons... :-P
[17:08] <diddledan__> zmoylan-pi, didn't Boris wonder where that place was?
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> some of boris's teachers probably were born there...
[17:13] <DJones> diddledan__: I doubt Boris even knows where the Isle of Wight, Falklands, Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man are
[17:13] <DJones> Or Ascension Island
[17:14] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: defending the Channel Islands will also be difficult, so we won't worry about that bit ;)
[17:15] <diddledan__> daftykins, we'll just let you get occupied again
[17:15] <daftykins> yep
[17:15] <popey> Laney: i flinched too
[17:15] <daftykins> and start thinking about giving us back to France
[17:15] <daftykins> sacré bleu
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> at least you can then ignore talks about brexit... :-P
[17:16]  * DJones puts daftykins on ebay
[17:16] <diddledan__> popey, Laney, was it like: pip pip booooooong?
[17:16] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: we could to begin with - and did
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> tomorrow it'll be *pip* *pip* *pip* *cuckoo* just to shake things up
[17:17] <diddledan__> lol
[21:12] <daftykins> dee-da-dee
[22:09] <ali1234> so kodi-pvr-mythtv in ubuntu doesn't work with the version of mythtv in ubuntu, which is the current stable release
[22:09] <ali1234> the source package claims to be taken from a git repository which doesn't contain the source code
[22:10] <ali1234> and as far as i can tell the claimed version number doesn't exist
[22:45] <daftykins> ali1234: how about the PVR addons from the kodi repo?
[22:45] <daftykins> assuming you don't have it added
[22:46] <ali1234> there aren't any pvr addons in the kodi repo
[22:46] <ali1234> the category straight up doesn't exist
[22:46] <ali1234> there is a video add on called mythbox which is several years out of date
[22:47] <daftykins> hmm surprising
[22:48] <ali1234> there is a ppa which has a newer version of the pvr plugin
[22:48] <ali1234> but when i install it, it just says "the add-on could not be loaded"
[22:48] <daftykins> and the log says?
[22:49] <ali1234> 23:45:47 T:140576512505600   ERROR: ADDON: Could not locate pvr.mythtv.so
[22:49] <daftykins> wonder if you can pinch it from the other package
[22:49] <ali1234> no need, the ppa installs it
[22:49] <ali1234> /usr/lib/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so
[22:49] <ali1234> kodi just can't find it because apparently it is brain damaged
[22:50] <daftykins> maybe looking in the wrong place
[22:50] <daftykins> how about throwing it in ~/.kodi/...blah blah
[22:50] <ali1234> oh i see the problem
[22:51] <ali1234> it is supposed to be at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kodi/addons/pvr.mythtv/pvr.mythtv.so
[22:51] <ali1234> i will just make a symlink
[22:53] <daftykins> so was this 16.04, where the stable mythtv was updated and kodi-pvr-mythtv wasn't? just to work out where it's stemming from
[22:53] <ali1234> it still doesn't work
[22:54] <ali1234> yes it is 16.04
[22:54] <ali1234> mythtv 0.28
[22:54] <ali1234> pvr.mythtv 2.8.0 and 2.8.4 (ppa)
[22:55] <ali1234> oh there's another version bump in 2.8.5
[22:55] <ali1234> i guess i will just build the package myself then
[22:57] <daftykins> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kodi-pvr-mythtv why are they so different o0
[22:57] <ali1234> there's found versions of kodi
[22:58] <ali1234> and so there's four versions of the plugin maintained in parallel
[22:58] <ali1234> 1.x is for helix, 2.x is for isengard, 3.x is for jarvis, 4.x is for the dev release
[22:59] <daftykins> ah har
[23:05] <ali1234> hey look at that it finally works
[23:06] <daftykins> often get folks coming in asking where the PVR addons are, seems to be a mess
[23:06] <daftykins> glad i don't touch liveTV setups
[23:07] <ali1234> livetv is literally the only bit i want
[23:07] <ali1234> i might just make my own
[23:08] <ali1234> this was still easier than getting mythtv-frontend to work