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tsimonq2valorie: yes00:00
tsimonq2valorie: I mean technically00:01
tsimonq2valorie: if you mean assistant in training technically have no permissions then yes :P00:01
tsimonq2valorie: I can release everywhere (Twitter, Blog, etc.) except for actually marking as ready on the QA tracker00:01
tsimonq2valorie: that and I hold no official title00:02
* tsimonq2 pokes wxl 00:02
valorieright, that needs some advanced permissions00:03
tsimonq2yeah00:03
clivejowell KCI has just filled the queue and my jobs have got pushed back00:07
tsimonq2:(00:07
clivejotelling me its time for bed00:07
valorieniters clivejo00:08
valorietsimonq2: have you given any thought to becoming a MOTU?00:08
valorieor core devel00:08
tsimonq2dad just called to tell me that animal control is gonna drop off one of the two cats O__O00:08
valorieboth yofel and clivejo were thinking about that I believe00:09
clivejommmm nope00:09
clivejonot I00:09
tsimonq2valorie: I have, and yes, on my list of things to do before I'm 18 :P00:09
tsimonq2valorie: I would love to00:09
tsimonq2valorie: I recently became a ninja, my next step is developer00:09
tsimonq2THEN I'll go for MOTU00:10
tsimonq2s/developer/Kubuntu Developer/00:10
yofelhm... I need to write up another application page, after my last one was kindly deleted00:10
yofelkind of destroyed my motivation00:10
valorieeww, yofel00:10
clivejohow was it deleted?00:10
valoriesomeone over-cleaning the wiki?00:10
tsimonq2valorie: I became a Kubuntu NINJA! http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/ lol00:10
valorietsimonq2: yes I voted for ya00:11
yofelnah, probably someone restoring a wiki backup or so00:11
yofelit was when the wiki was very unstable recently00:11
tsimonq2lol valorie 00:11
tsimonq2valorie: did you hear the sound effect? :D00:11
valorieoh yes00:11
valorieI had to close the page!00:11
valorierickrickrickrick....00:12
valorielol00:12
valoriegood stuff!00:12
valoriehai YA00:12
valorieoh, I think a bit of dinner is called for00:13
valoriebbl00:13
clivejoyofel: the nightly job only does mergers?00:18
clivejooh, spoke too soon00:18
yofelit does all mergers, then triggers the wildcard builders that trigger the jobs based on an SCM poll00:19
clivejooh, so only rebuilds on a SCM?00:19
yofelas far as I understand it, yes00:20
clivejothat should cut the amount of jobs down a bit 00:20
tsimonq2clivejo: alright I'm free, what can I help you with? :)00:23
clivejojust fixing KCI jobs00:23
tsimonq2KCI jobs or failures?00:24
clivejowell the failures are in red00:24
clivejo!info php-cli00:25
ubottuphp-cli (source: php-defaults (42)): command-line interpreter for the PHP scripting language (default). In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0+42 (yakkety), package size 3 kB, installed size 11 kB00:25
tsimonq2I mean you said you were fixing jobs00:26
tsimonq2I don't know what you mean by "jobs"00:26
clivejoso go to yakkety FIX00:28
clivejoon the S column click it twice to show you the "red" jobs00:29
clivejolook into why they are failing and fix00:29
clivejobeware some are fixed, just been in the queue for a while :(00:30
clivejoso check in git to see if they already had fixes pushed00:30
clivejoright, Iā€™m definitely off to bed this time00:34
clivejogood night00:34
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I need sleep o/02:14
ahoneybunmm Google Hangouts in Telepathy work now03:02
ahoneybunno idea why03:02
valorieI wish someone would pick it up again03:03
valoriekde telepathy is cool03:03
valorieit even works locally or it used to, without internet03:04
ahoneybunlocally?03:22
ahoneybunI wish someone would work on the telegram plugin03:23
ahoneybunmm fatal: could not read Username for 'https://git.launchpad.net': No such device or address03:29
ahoneybunsame error for breeze and kate03:29
ahoneybunoh and ark03:29
ahoneybunsays fatal so must be bad03:30
Mirvyofel: now GCC6 arrived and blocks things again, otherwise everything would be set to migrate06:06
acheronukMirv: Urgh! I can't imagine GCC6 is going to be a quick one either :(07:18
Mirvacheronuk: :(07:39
jimarvangood morning :)07:50
acheronukyofel: a lot of these failures are not finding /usr/bin/kpackagetool5, so I think in kpackage's libkf5package5 package, kpackagetool5 that contains that binary needs to be promoted from a recommends to depends?08:40
acheronukif that makes sense08:40
acheronukhttps://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kpackage/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable08:40
acheronukyofel: I've committed that change locally, but not pushed, as it potentially affects a lot/most builds08:53
acheronukand I'm still a bit 'scaredy cat' about that sort of thing08:55
yofelacheronuk: buildds use --no-install-recommends, so that won't help09:33
acheronukyofel: which is why I was saying a depends rather than recommends on that09:34
acheronukyofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kpackage/+merge/30212709:34
acheronukanyway, I'm busy until later this afternoon, so I was just shouting out now09:37
yofelacheronuk: ok, I totally misread that ^^09:37
acheronuknot that the problem isn't fairly obvious09:37
yofelacheronuk: but IMO that dep should be on -dev, not the actual lib09:37
yofelthe lib recommending it is ok09:37
acheronukyes, that's why I didn't just push, and put that MP in for now09:38
acheronukyofel: I have to go literally this second, so can't redo that right now.09:40
yofelnp09:40
acheronukso you or anyone, feel free if that is indeed ok to add the dep to the -dev pkg instead09:41
acheronukok. bye for now :)09:41
jimarvansee ya rik :)09:48
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> see ya09:49
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> Hey Jimarvan o/09:49
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> When you want to go out for a spin on the bikes ?09:49
jimarvanhey :)09:51
jimarvanI am leaving for holidays on 16th of August09:51
jimarvanreturning 5th September09:51
jimarvanI would love to ride with my new Yamaha Super Tenere Worldcrosser ;)09:52
jimarvan(holidays are in Zakynthos, Greece)09:52
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> OK that sounds great. How about a Saturday in September, weather permitting of course. šŸ˜‰09:53
BluesKajHiyas all09:53
IrcsomeBot1<Sick_Rimmit> Hey BluesKaj o/09:54
BluesKajHi Sick_Rimmit09:55
BluesKajor is it IrcsomeBot1  :-)09:57
jimarvanRick I am looking forward to it10:06
jimarvanBut you MUST come in Cornwall! ;010:06
jimarvan;)10:06
jimarvanI live 500 meters away from Fistral Beach, you won't regret it hehe10:07
jimarvanhey BlueSkaj!10:21
jimarvansorry m8 just saw you xD10:21
jimarvanBluesKaj: your nick is awesome10:21
BluesKajHi jimarvan, sounds like you're located in a nice area :-)10:22
jimarvan;)10:42
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clivejoacheronuk: http://weegie.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/PIM.png13:39
acheronukLOL. I saw that on Neon!13:40
acheronukclivejo: no wonder i'm getting a bit confused with it at times13:43
clivejonotice no kdiagram13:44
acheronukWell did Jonathon generate that from their dependency tree?13:45
acheronukIf so, then they are still trying stable and not 16.06, so would not bump up against that13:45
acheronuk*16.0813:45
clivejotrue13:46
acheronukthey have that fun to come! ;)13:47
* clivejo is impressed acheronuk is seeing the big picture :)13:50
tsimonq2o/13:51
acheronukclivejo: too narrow a focus, and you end up doing the going round in a diminishing circle thing, which ends in something unpleasant...13:53
acheronukhi Simon / tsimonq2 13:53
tsimonq2hi Rik / acheronuk 13:53
tsimonq2:P13:53
acheronuktsimonq2: are you not on #kde-neon? was just mentioning your QtWebEngine stuff to Jonathon Riddle13:55
* tsimonq2 runs over there13:56
tsimonq2Mirv: could you please take a look at this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010647.html15:02
tsimonq2Mirv: I think you could respond better than I could15:02
Mirvtsimonq2: no time to reply now on the list but confirming the bug16:48
tsimonq2Mirv: great :)16:48
acheronukkdepim in KCI needs a newer version of ktnef, but this is not being tracked as a package in KCI as far as I can see?17:04
acheronukhttps://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/ktnef17:04
santa_good afternnon everyone17:05
santa_if someone from the council is reading, it would be nice to get any feedback about my proposed range of dates for my membership application, even just one message from one person saying if the dates are ok or not ok would be nice. thanks!17:07
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> ahoneycutt ^17:07
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> shoot wrong nick17:08
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> ahoneybun ^17:08
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> there :P17:08
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Mm?17:13
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @ahoneybun see what santa_ said on IRC17:13
acheronukignore my comment on ktnef. found it now I think. duh!17:14
clivejoacheronuk: did I hear you talk about this ?   The imported target "KF5::kpackagetool5" references the file "/usr/bin/kpackagetool5" but this file does not exist.18:24
acheronukyep18:24
acheronukshould be OK now I think on any fresh builds18:24
acheronukhttps://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kpackage/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=1059678deda9761d8de28585c4c76ee862a6d72d18:25
acheronukbut while it was not fixed, it broke just about every build on KCI18:26
clivejoI see18:30
tsimonq2what's up with kjs?18:32
tsimonq2successful build, but in KCI it's failed...18:32
clivejosome symbols have gone walkies18:33
clivejothe two optional ones are fine, but the other two are suspicious 18:35
tsimonq2also, what's it mean for a package to be unstable?18:38
clivejocan anyone get their head around libkolab18:46
clivejoalways confuses the hell outta me18:46
acheronukhmmm. I can have a guess at the commits responsible for those missing kjs symbols, but still not sure about them.18:46
acheronukkdepim-addons built \o/18:53
acheronukkdepim itself is not so simple18:54
IrcsomeBot1<Clifford> Yofel: is my container on Linode restored?19:07
acheronukI think kdepim may another one with some new unpackaged libraries :/19:12
Mirvyofel: if ok to override plasma-workspace too, please tell slangasek on release channel. they are taking ages and timeouting or such, again maybe last blocker though http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#plasma-workspace 19:30
yofeltsimonq2: unstable means there were warnings (mostly from lintian)19:49
yofellintian in yakkety being buggy does not help...19:49
tsimonq2O_o19:49
tsimonq2how buggy? 19:50
yofeltsimonq2: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=82954519:52
ubottuDebian bug 829545 in lintian "lintian: [PATCH] Do not complain about new Testsuite-Triggers in dsc." [Normal,Open]19:52
yofelclivejo, Clifford: yes, your linode should work19:54
clivejoyofel: how did Jon allow me to log in with him on AWS?19:55
clivejowhere we could both see what was going on19:55
yofeluse a byobu/tmux session using the same user19:56
tsimonq2s/byobu\/tmux/tmux/g :P19:56
yofelwell, I recommend byobu, but you can just use tmux19:56
clivejois it installed?19:57
yofelshould be19:57
clivejoalso are you finished with the staging PPA's?19:57
yofelfw and plasma for yakkety, yes19:58
clivejoI was going to klear them19:58
yofeldon't clear xenial19:58
yofelfor yakkety, go ahead19:58
clivejoand start work on backporting the official Qt5.6.1 packages in YY to XX19:59
clivejothen backport FW and Plasma on top of that19:59
yofelhm... ok19:59
yofelsounds resonable19:59
clivejooh, you happy enough using the test builds?19:59
yofelnot for publishing, so you might as well do it your way. It is cleaner than what I had in mind20:00
clivejoyofel: was kubuntu-dev-tools moved to git?20:20
yofelno20:21
clivejoor is it still bzr20:21
clivejoyofel: Im I OK to totally klear staging-frameworks?20:24
yofelclivejo: yes20:25
clivejorebuild the stack from stratch20:25
* yofel goes breaking firefox20:25
yofelmeh, e10 still doesn't work for me :(20:32
clivejoyofel: what flag do you use to get dput to unpack everything for you?20:49
clivejo-x ?20:49
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santa_clivejo: hmm? maybe you mean dpkg-source?20:55
clivejowhen I grab a LP .dsc20:56
clivejodget -x <URL>20:56
santa_ah20:56
santa_dget20:56
santa_not dput20:56
santa_you can do dpkg-source -x <file>.dsc20:56
clivejosanta_: do you know the version number we should use for backported package?20:57
santa_clivejo: nope I didn't worked on backports (yet)20:58
santa_but I guess you can figure that out on previous backports branchs20:58
clivejoqtbase-opensource-src (5.6.1+dfsg-3ubuntu1~4) yakkety; urgency=medium20:58
santa_oh, you are trying to backport qt20:59
clivejoyes20:59
santa_not sure then, Mirv, if you have a minute ā†‘21:00
clivejoRik done some test packages for Xenial, but I want to backport the official ones now in Yakkety21:00
santa_clivejo: note that backporting qt would mean rebuilding a bunch of packages, not sure how this works on ubuntu21:01
clivejowe would only be backporting to our PPA21:01
clivejoit cant/wont be going in the archive21:01
santa_then I think the thing to do would be using the usual prefixes for ppas. but I can't promise you that21:03
clivejosanta_: when you debuild -S how do I tell it not to sign?21:15
tsimonq2clivejo: don't pass -S21:15
tsimonq2wait no sorry21:15
* tsimonq2 mistaked signing and source package21:15
santa_clivejo: "-us -uc"21:17
santa_i.e "debuild -us -uc -S"21:17
clivejogrrr21:20
clivejowhy oh why oh why21:20
clivejoit wants to sign the package Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>21:22
clivejowhy?21:22
santa_aren't you passing -us -uc already?21:23
clivejoI passed those and it didnt sign21:23
santa_anyway, are you building this for yourself or what?21:23
clivejofor backports21:24
santa_for the ppa21:24
clivejobackports-ppa yes21:24
santa_doesn't require that that you sign the package?21:24
clivejoyes21:24
santa_anyway, why don't you try git-buildpackage-ppa?21:25
clivejocause its not in our git?21:25
santa_hmm21:25
santa_but that shouldn't be a problem, let me check21:26
clivejonevermind, I got it signed21:27
clivejogrrrr21:28
clivejoI hate working remotely21:28
santa_ah, yes gbp-ppa is not appropiate for this21:30
santa_I guess the thing here would be adding a changelog entry21:30
clivejoI did21:31
clivejoIve remote signed it now21:31
clivejoand forced the dput with -u21:31
clivejoI just cant remember switches/options21:32
santa_but if you have it signed, you don't need the -u I think21:32
clivejoJonathan taught me how to do all this, but that was over a year ago21:32
clivejoI do, cause it fails21:32
clivejoI debsign -r <server details>21:33
clivejothe have to force the upload with dput -u21:33
santa_I never signed remotely, but seems weird21:34
santa_anyway, does it work?21:34
yofelclivejo: dget -x right, also -u if you don't have the signing key of the uploader21:36
clivejothanks yofel, finally worked it out21:37
clivejo10 down, 7 more to go22:24
tsimonq2clivejo: whatcha workin on? :)22:25
clivejobackporting the official yakkety builds of Qt5.6.122:25
tsimonq2ooh can I help?22:25
tsimonq2clivejo: anything I can do?22:27
clivejodont think so at the moment22:27
clivejoIm doing it remotely on Linode container22:27
tsimonq2alright22:27
clivejoyou could tell LP to hurry the *beep* up22:28
acheronukah. that is what you planned22:28
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Mm blue mint Linux thinks I'm a dev XD22:28
acheronukhic22:28
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/LZydv2nd/file_63.jpg Screenshot (Aug 5, 2016 6:29:06 PM)22:29
clivejoLOL yeah, was hoping to pass my knowledge of remote working to you :P22:29
yofelwell, we do have a wide interpretation of "developer"22:30
clivejoturns out I lost most of that knowledge22:30
tsimonq2yay for my WiFi restarting every 5 minutes like clockwork :((22:30
yofelthat's painful :(22:30
tsimonq2thank god my IRC setup is on a sheel22:31
tsimonq2*shell22:31
acheronukclivejo: I can try that another day. Was meaning to ask to test that sort of thing in a container, since it'll be better to get the hang of it before I actually really need it22:32
clivejoI learnt how to package in a container22:33
tsimonq2I think tonight when I go to bed I'm just going to unplug the router and let it sit overnight, maybe that will help clear things up22:33
clivejowith Jon watching me make silly mistakes22:33
tsimonq2clivejo: \o/22:33
clivejothat man must have patients of a saint 22:33
clivejoor was just sitting laughing at me22:34
* tsimonq2 is tempted to correct clivejo's spelling but decides not to :P22:34
acheronuknot usre I would have wanted to start like that!22:34
acheronuk*sure22:35
* clivejo gives Simon a dirty look22:35
acheronukany of QT built yet?22:35
yofelit makes it easier for people to help you though, as they don't have to rely on you properly passing your issues to them22:35
clivejotrue22:36
clivejoand even just sitting and watching how an expert solves the problem22:37
clivejoyou pick up tips and tricks22:37
acheronukpoint taken22:37
clivejowould love to shadow yofels screen for a month!22:37
tsimonq2I've only known a 4:3 display, that's all the monitors I've ever had, can we switch monitors?22:38
tsimonq2screw monitoring each other :P22:38
yofelI am not sure that learning my way of working around limitations with lots of ad-hoc bash scripting is something people want to learn ^^22:38
acheronuk4:3?22:38
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Wow I've 16:9 for a while now22:39
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> argh come on IRC, froze again22:40
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I hat my internet connection22:40
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> *hate22:40
* yofel has 2 functioning 4:3 screens in the house, not particulary used much22:40
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Oh they linked my blog22:40
acheronukmust be about 5 years ago I got rid of my last 4:3 monitor22:42
tsimonq2like I said, my home computer has never had a 16:9 monitor ever22:44
tsimonq2just like I don't have a mechanical keyboard or a nice mouse22:44
tsimonq2peripherals are the only thing I haven't upgraded yet that need it baaaaad22:45
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> I have a cheap Logitech mouse22:45
tsimonq2I have a cheap Dell keyboard and mouse22:45
tsimonq2heck, I'm even getting an upgrade on my phone22:46
acheronukcertainly not got anything fancy here either22:46
tsimonq2computer peripherals need an upgrade22:46
acheronukclivejo: did you read the README.source in the qtbase packaging?22:50
clivejoacheronuk: no?22:50
acheronukso you didn't bootstrap the docs packages?22:50
acheronukhttps://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/tree/debian/README.source22:51
clivejoIm just backporting whats in yakkety22:51
clivejowith all the ubuntu patches and stuff applied22:52
acheronukthat may not work without the bootstrap, but shall see22:52
tsimonq2yofel: how could I get access to that Linode container available to ninjas that Rick Timmis was talking about?23:01
yofelby giving me a minute23:01
acheronukyofel: while you are there...... 23:03
tsimonq2yofel: thanks :)23:04
yofeltsimonq2: ssh -p 2202 ubuntu@dev.kubuntu.co.uk23:05
tsimonq2thanks a lot!23:06
acheronukI could do with at least trying to do some things on a container, so when I really NEED it I don't have to fumble about23:06
tsimonq2yofel: can I upgrade to Yakkety?23:06
tsimonq2lol23:07
yofeltsimonq2: well, you can try it23:07
yofel"should" work23:07
tsimonq2yofel: I had to fix /etc/hosts thankyouverymuch :P23:09
yofellol23:09
yofel:P23:09
valorieoooo, a green23:10
acheronukyofel: so I would use the same but a different port?23:10
yofelacheronuk: ssh -p 2203 ubuntu@dev.kubuntu.co.uk23:10
valorienice to see that showing up again23:10
acheronukaha. that answered that!23:10
tsimonq2yofel: is this a temporary throwaway that I have to give back when I'm done, or is this something I use over and over?23:11
yofeltsimonq2: it'll stay running23:11
tsimonq2yofel: but it's not like you'll give it to clivejo next? if not, I'll get my .vimrc and git config settings and all of that on there23:12
tsimonq2(not that I have a problem with clivejo, just wondering if other people have to use it :P)23:13
yofeltsimonq2: no, I can technically create another 250 or so containers, so that one is for you23:13
acheronukyofel: great. thank you. I shall take a proper look and try some things tomorrow :D23:13
tsimonq2yofel: great, thanks a lot :)23:14
yofelprobably more limiting than the IP numbers is the disk space, but this is thin-lvm, so it really depends on how much people end up using23:14
yofel(lv size is 250G)23:16
tsimonq2\o/ I'm in Yakkety!23:16
acheronukstraight into byobu as well23:17
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Nice to see the linode is being used well23:17
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Thanks yofel23:17
* acheronuk tries to remember the shortcuts for that23:17
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> @ahoneybun already upgraded mine to Yakkety :P23:17
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> I know23:18
* tsimonq2 laughs at the README23:29
tsimonq2y'all know I use sbuild :P23:29
clivejoreally?23:32
clivejonever heard you say that23:32
tsimonq2clivejo: you being sarcastic? if so, I'll start correcting your spelling :P23:33
clivejome sarcastic? Never!23:33
* tsimonq2 watches clivejo closely for spelling mistakes :P23:34
clivejoyou should be on the docs team!23:35
clivejowrite up a packaging guide :o)23:35
tsimonq2clivejo: I'm in the LibreOffice documentation team and in the Lubuntu documentation team. :P23:39
tsimonq2what's this "dpkg-mergechangelogs" thing?23:43
tsimonq2how do I get rid of that thing that shows after I run a command? it's annoying23:49

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