[03:36] <galadas> hello everyone
 Heyo all
 some people are off because of timezones
[06:57] <Mrokii> Hello guys. Big problem here. After rebooting Kubuntu, I got this error "Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session." There's nothing I can do from this point on.
[08:06] <konrados> Morning :)
[08:09] <konrados> I use fish (I'm mean a shell) now I want to create an alias, I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2763014/5733557 but do you know how to pass argument passed to this function to a program which I call in this function?
[08:12] <konrados> Oh, actually in this link a guy answered my question, I meant a different link and pasted this one :) Sorry, nvm
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:42] <yossarianuk> why has firefox 48 not come in the repo's yet ?
[10:46] <yossarianuk>  is anyone else getting lots of random crashes with firefox v 47 ? I've noticed on multiple machines ...  dmesg shows Chrome_ChildThr[8050]: segfault at 0 ip 000055a172865bb8 sp 00007fe16c4fe360 error 6 in plugin-container[55a17285d000+3e000]  - i.e Flash related
[10:47] <ahh11> Hello
[10:47] <ahh11> Is there anywhere I can download A PowerPC version of the latest Kubuntu for an eMac G4?
[11:48] <TomTom> any idea when kmail 5.2.x will be part of the repos/backports? this "no inline image" bug is really annoying...
[11:56] <BluesKaj> TomTom, matbe the #kubuntu-devel guys will know
[11:56] <BluesKaj> maybe
[11:57] <ahoneybun> kmail is handled by Apps now I think
[11:58] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, Apps?
[11:58] <ahoneybun> Applications
[11:59] <ahoneybun> KDE Applications is at 16.04.3 in jenkins
[11:59] <ahoneybun> but for yakkety
[12:00] <ahoneybun> we're still trying to push quite a bit of packages though to the repos for a update this big
[12:02] <BluesKaj> I don't mean to be too negative about 16.04 , but I had to revert to 14.04 for a stable OS. Heck, even 16.10 runs better on this pc than 16.04
[12:03] <ahoneybun> I have a usuable system on 16.04 with backports
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yeah i had the backports enabled
[12:04] <ahoneybun> workable for me
[12:05] <ahoneybun> can't go back to Plasma 4
[12:05] <ahoneybun> well KDE 4 at that point
[12:06] <BluesKaj> it was mostly a video problem , movies would crash and freeze the system so badly even REISUB wouldn't reboot
[12:06] <ahoneybun> that is a odd one for sure
[12:07] <ahoneybun> I've even had success with have different video cards and such
[12:07] <oliverl> Hallo zusammen
[12:08] <BluesKaj> well the nvidia 8400GS works well on trusty so I'll stick with it until 16.04 less problematic
[12:08] <oliverl> is here somebody who can explain to me how to set up a service that is only running on shutdown/halt but NOT on reboot?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> oliverl, what kind of service?
[12:09] <oliverl> so far it's always executed but I want to exclude it from reboot
[12:09] <oliverl> it's a backup script
[12:11] <oliverl> under upstart it was easy but with systemd I didn't find anything on the internet
 systemctl runs services
 ie sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[12:12] <oliverl> I know
 your trying to make a service or run it?
[12:13] <oliverl> run it
 so you want it to run on the system on every boot?
[12:15] <oliverl> [Unit] has "Before=shutdown.target" and [Install] has "WantedBy=shutdown.target"
[12:15] <BluesKaj> oliverl, youi can still use apps like upstart-app-start-tools
[12:15] <oliverl> no only on init 0 not init 6
[12:16] <oliverl> together with systemd?
[12:16] <oliverl> with kubuntu 16.04 only systemd is installed
[12:16] <oliverl> therefore I assumed it's the only one used
 upstart is still used for somethings
[12:16] <BluesKaj> oliverl, well, not sure how it works , but they're in the repos /muon
[12:17] <ahoneybun> oliverl: http://patrakov.blogspot.com/2011/01/writing-systemd-service-files.html
[12:17] <BluesKaj> checkout upstart in the package manager
[12:18] <oliverl> BluesKaj, I'm a bit scary since there are a lot of scripts in /etc/init and if I would install upstart I fear all of them will be executed in addition to what systemd is starting
[12:21] <BluesKaj> yeah , I haven't seen any explanations how upstart works witrh systemd services , if at all
[12:21] <oliverl> Basically I understood how to write systemd jobs but I didn't find a hint how to distinguish between halt and reboot
 halt turns the system off I believe
 that's how I've used it
[12:23] <oliverl> yes
[12:24] <oliverl> and exactly then I want to run the backup script but - as you can imagine - not on any reboot
[12:25] <BitHorizon> Hello! Is there any way of installing Plasma 5.7 on Kubuntu 16.04?
[12:25] <BitHorizon> I need the new DPI scaling for my high DPI laptop in order to use Plasma.
[12:25] <ahoneybun> not at the moment BitHorizon
[12:25] <ahoneybun> it's in the pipelines for 16.10 atm
[12:25] <BitHorizon> Can't even compile from source?
[12:26] <ahoneybun> no as 16.04 does not have a new version of Qt that it needs
[12:26] <ahoneybun> we're working with Ubuntu to get it pushed into
[12:27] <BitHorizon> Awesome. Can't wait to switch to Kubuntu on my precision 15 5000
[12:28] <ahoneybun> sweet 16.10 is the target for new things then we'll work to backport them to 16.04
[12:31] <paranoidabhi_> ahoneybun, so kde 5.7 would be ultimately available for 16.04?
[12:32] <ahoneybun> yea that's the plan
[12:32] <ahoneybun> 5.8 will be a LTS Plasma release and we would like to leave it at that
[12:32] <paranoidabhi_> ahoneybun, would it be after 16.10's release?
[12:33] <ahoneybun> it's possible
[12:33] <ahoneybun> the freeze for 16.10 is on the 18th of this month
[12:33] <ahoneybun> so after that we have to request changes
[12:34] <BitHorizon> Until Kubuntu gets 5.7, what is an alternative, stable distro until that version of Plasma arrives? The only way I can use Plasma is with the new DPI stuff in 5.7.
[12:34] <BitHorizon> Whoops, I repeated myself lol
[12:34] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[12:35] <ahoneybun> KDE Neon has 5.7.2 atm
[12:35] <BitHorizon> What packagebase does Neon have?
[12:35] <ahoneybun> ubuntu 16.04
[12:36] <BitHorizon> Is Neon stable enough for daily use?
[12:36] <paranoidabhi_> are there any disadvantages to kde-neon over kubuntu?
[12:36] <ahoneybun> not sure don't use it
[12:36] <ahoneybun> there is a developer version and a "stable" one
[12:37] <ahoneybun> not sure tbh
[12:37] <paranoidabhi_> it seems kde-neon and kubuntu have the same goal.
[12:37] <paranoidabhi_> ubuntu+kde.
[12:37] <ahoneybun> they don't follow the Ubuntu release cycle
[12:38] <devil___> is there a linux stuff room for india?
[12:38] <ahoneybun> !india
[12:39] <ahoneybun> !india devil___
[12:39] <devil___> ok ty
[12:39] <ahoneybun> np
 <paranoidabhi_> the advantage is the latest KDE desktop. The disadvantage is that its locked to LTS so 3rd party applications will be older
 Also the archive of apps might be broken due to newer Qt versions
[12:42] <devil___> my Kbuntu 16.04 is crashing?? cant figure out why..
[12:43] <devil___> it keeps on crashing every minute..
[12:43] <paranoidabhi_> I am a bit new to linux. Why does it take so much time to integrate new kde into kubuntu 16.04?
[12:43] <paranoidabhi_> I want to understand the process. :)
[12:44] <devil___> new kde? you mean why does it take to download all kde tools and dependencies and install it into linux?
[12:44] <ahoneybun> paranoidabhi_: move over to #kubuntu-devel to see the gears moving
[12:45] <devil___> anyone here into kernel programming? or into OS programming in general? any advice for a noob as to where to start?
[12:46] <ahoneybun> I'd be worried about PPA's not working in Neon
[12:47] <ahoneybun> since they are built on launchpad for certain ubuntu versions with certain package versions
[12:48] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: in this case it is a new Qt 5.6 version required for plasma 5.7. Xenial has QT 5.5.1
[12:50] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: so it needs to be backported without breaking the rest of the parts of ubuntu etc that depends on Qt 5.5
[12:51] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: Neon, being separate, can choose not to care as long as their KDE/plasma works
[12:51] <ahoneybun> so it's a balancing act
[12:52] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: kubuntu has to take much more care over how it affects the rest of the ubuntu archive
[12:53] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: plus kubuntu has the next release Yakkety Yak to work on as well!
[12:55] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: there was also just some unfortunate timing with Xenial that meant Qt 5.6 didn't go in. If it had, then much of this would not be as problematic.
[12:55] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: but it is what it is, and it will take a little time
[12:55] <paranoidabhi_> acheronuk, thanks, makes sense! What's the solution to the qt conflict?
[12:55] <paranoidabhi_> How will you resolve it ultimately?
[12:57] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: already got backported builds of QT 5.6 and plasma staged against that in some testing ppas. Just need to test and QA that enough that anyone using the backport ppa with that in won't find a lot of non specific kubuntu stuff is broken.
[13:01] <acheronuk> paranoidabhi_: kubuntu is "friendly computing". rushing a backport and making a load on non kubuntu software that you might want to install from the archive broke, is not 'friendly'
[13:47] <katronix> hi all, if you have an apt-get issue that apt-get -f install can't fix, is there a way to tell apt-get to forget about the issue?
[13:51] <katronix> should I ask in #ubuntu instead?
[13:56] <Guest75224> weisst jemand warum kubuntu-de.org nicht erreichbar ist?
[13:57] <Pici> !de | Guest75224
[14:41] <oliverl> solved the problem, it's necessary to use under [Install] "WantedBy=poweroff.target" and under [Unit] "Before=shutdown.target". With this being set up it's running as desired.
[15:12] <viewer|19101> I'm runnung kubuntu 14.04-4   Will there be an automatic update to 14.04.-5  or  a  do-release-upgrade?
[15:14] <Smurphy> if you applied all updates regularly, you already are on 14.04.5
[15:18] <viewer|19101> I did. But my kernel says 4.2.0-42-generic
[15:19] <Smurphy> lsb_release -a
[15:19] <Smurphy> kernel version has nothing to do with ubntutu version.
[15:19] <Smurphy> I have 3.13.0-30-generic
[15:20] <Smurphy> on a lts 14.0405
[15:20] <Smurphy> on a lts 14.04-5
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:20] <viewer|19101> 14.04.5   ah ok
[15:20] <Smurphy> See.
[15:20] <Smurphy> Why are you on kernel 14.04 ?
[15:21] <viewer|19101> i installed kubuntu 14.04-4
[15:21] <Smurphy> Should not update the kernel.
[15:22] <Smurphy> Well, my kubuntu is on 16.04.x - my server is on 14.04.5
[15:23] <viewer|19101> it was no update, it was a fresh installation some month ago
[15:24] <viewer|19101> but thx i don't care about the kernel version
[15:36] <Smurphy> ok.
[17:06] <user|2996> Hi, i,m use mint but kde in mint is very crash, kubuntu is stable KDE?
[17:07] <Smurphy> Did you update your mint ?
[17:07] <user|2996> Mint is a distro gtk+ like, kde is next
[17:08] <Smurphy> I know mint. But did you apply all updates ?
[17:08] <user|2996> Yes, i all update
[17:08] <user|2996> But plasma is crash
[17:12] <user|2996> Plama version in Kubuntu?
[17:12] <Smurphy> konsole -version
[17:12] <Smurphy> Qt: 5.5.1
[17:12] <Smurphy> KDE Frameworks: 5.23.0
[17:12] <Smurphy> Konsole: 15.12.3
[17:12] <dax> We have no idea whether Plama is going to crash on Ubuntu for you, because we have no idea why it's crashing in Mint and whether it's a Mint-specific or version-specific issue, or something else.
[17:12] <Smurphy> Plasma 5.6.5 here
[17:12] <dax> Grab an Ubuntu LiveUSB, boot it, and test it.
[17:13] <user|2996> When plasma 5.7?
[17:13] <user|2996> My, opinion KDE crashed all distro :-)
[17:14] <user|2996> But, working
[17:14] <Smurphy> Nope. Didn't have a crash for months
[17:16] <user|2996> Mint from cin.. did't have a crash, but i dislike cin...
[17:17] <user|2996> I love KDE, very very user friendly gui
[17:18] <Smurphy> Using KDE since release 0.9 etc... I even did the french translation for KDE 1.0 :}
[17:19] <user|2996> KDE full support my language
[17:20] <Smurphy> Which one is it ?
[17:20] <Smurphy> Say thansk to the translator teams all around the globe :)
[17:21] <user|2996> Polish
[17:21] <user|2996> thx for translated
[17:21] <Smurphy> yep. That language is translated :)
[17:21] <Smurphy> :)
[17:23] <user|2996> all language in UE are translated
[17:24] <Smurphy> Yes. The KDE community is very active.
[17:24] <user|2996> KOD, KDE, community is very active, heh
[17:26] <Smurphy> yes.
[17:28] <user|2996> How install in kubuntu plasma 5.7, neo repo yes?
[17:30] <Smurphy> can't say. I didn't do it.
[17:30] <user|2996> plasma 5.7 yes in repo but no?
[17:31] <user|2996> i since years ago used chakra, but not support gtk+ apps
[17:33] <Smurphy> I hate gtk apps ...
[17:33] <Smurphy> worst thing that exists. Icaza should have been burned alive...
[17:33] <user|2996> Hate apps, heh, hate stupid political not apps,
[17:37] <user|2996> My, ask, plasmoid for menu in up on panel,
[17:50] <Trel> In the latest version of Kubuntu, what version of KDE/Plasma is included?
[17:54] <acheronuk> Trel: Xenial 16.04.1 has Plasma 5.5.5. Plasma 5.6.5 is available in the backports ppa. Plasma 5.7.x is work in progress.
[20:01] <Trel> Cool, thanks
[20:01] <Trel> One other question, is that Netbook/tablet mode still included in plasma 5.5.5+?
[20:43] <valorie> Trel: it's just a display mode
[20:43] <valorie> it's no longer a separate thing
[21:29] <sascha_> Test.
[21:42] <valorie> sascha_: anything we can help you with?
[21:43] <sascha_> Hello. No, but thank you. :)
[21:51] <Trel> valorie: do you know offhand where it got moved to in the systems settings? It's no longer under workspace behavior for me
 Tablet/netbook is a dead project last time I head
 *heard
[21:54] <Trel> oh, darn, I finally got my hands on machine with a touch screen and small resolution to actually try it XD
[21:55] <valorie> well, everything is touch ready
[21:56] <valorie> I have a notebook with a touch screen and everything "just works"
[21:56] <valorie> the phone effort is alive and well
[21:57] <valorie> and perhaps the phone image will work on your tablet if the regular images won't
[21:57] <valorie> http://plasma-phone.org/
[21:57] <valorie> Trel: ^^^
 Is it a tablet or that laptop miz
 Mix
[23:18] <johns_> anyone know how to force NTFS driver to mount a NTFS volume read-write?
[23:19] <johns_> I have a Windows 8 system, I shut it down completely and then NTFS in Linux still complains that it cannot mount the thing.
 Sudo mount does not work?
[23:20] <johns_> no mr. ircsomebot, sudo mount does not work.
 What is the output?
[23:21] <johns_> jesus christ do I have to do this.
[23:22] <johns_> Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
[23:22] <johns_> Failed to mount '/dev/sdf2': Operation not permitted
[23:22] <johns_> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[23:22] <johns_> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[23:22] <johns_> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[23:24] <bprompt> johns_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204166/how-do-i-mount-a-hibernated-ntfs-partition
[23:29] <johns_> bprompt: thanks but that doesn't actually work. Everything I can do will still claim Windows is hibernated.
[23:30] <johns_> maybe "powercfg -h off" from Windows will fix it.
[23:30] <johns_> I don't understand why Windows will hibernate if I tell it to shut down.
[23:31] <johns_> Oh, now it worked! The sequence is to first use ntfsfix and then to use -o remove_hiberfile.
[23:31] <johns_> thanks :).
[23:31] <bprompt> johns_:    hmmm actually, the hibernation file is used to , if not using hibernation for shutdown, it's used for "fast bootup" of windows, thus how the desktop shows up so quickly
[23:32] <bprompt> john51:    but yes, you do have to turn it off with "powercfg -h off", manually, to actualy have it off, and also removing the "fast boot" bit
[23:32] <johns_> I though tthat would only happen on fast reboot
[23:33] <johns_> well I know how ti fix it now......
[23:33] <johns_> \
[23:33] <johns_> will save those endless annoying reboots.