[00:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://tsimonq2.net/misc/Lubuntu%20Manual%20Spec.pdf
[00:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: what do you think?
[00:24] <wxl> i like what i see tsimonq2
[00:24] <wxl> you should basically go through each and every single icon
[00:25] <wxl> that said, i'd encourage you to look at things like languages
[00:25] <wxl> including how to change the system language and/or the keyboard language
[00:25] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:25] <tsimonq2> I have that in there
[00:25] <wxl> you did? huh i missed it
[00:25] <wxl> yep missed it
[00:25] <tsimonq2> page 4
[00:25] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:26] <wxl> troubleshooting section would be nice too
[00:27] <tsimonq2> shoot I forgot about a "reporting bugs" section
[00:27] <wxl> yes
[00:27] <tsimonq2> oh I forgot, one sec
[00:27] <wxl> OH
[00:27] <wxl> and where to get more help
[00:27] <tsimonq2> Unit193: stgraber put queuebot in here, just so you know
[00:27] <tsimonq2> oh yeah!
[00:27] <wxl> e.g. mailing list, irc, etc
[00:27] <wxl> yay queuebot
[00:28] <tsimonq2> I thought he should know
[00:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: when I talk about support, I should talk about being as specific as possible, etc.
[00:30] <wxl> yep
[00:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: all the things we sort of learned but don't really come to mind on a daily basis
[00:30] <wxl> exactly
[00:34] <wxl> also, tsimonq2: good job
[00:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah that took me on and off 7 hours so...
[00:44] <tsimonq2> :P
[16:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: good job on that outline. now get it on your repo and then post it on lubuntu-devel and talk about your plan. ask for input/help
[16:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: get the PDF on the Manual repo?
[16:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: maybe in sphinx format? :)
[16:31] <wxl> that does have a section on how to contreibute to the manual right?
[16:35] <tsimonq2> oh no actually
[16:35] <tsimonq2> well in the spec ;)
[16:39] <wxl> there should be clear instructions
[16:39] <wxl> somewhere at least
[16:41] <tsimonq2> alright one minute
[16:41] <wxl> it's reasonable to have a CONTRIBUTING file in the repo
[16:41] <wxl> if you do it in md and have screenshots that would be super duper ideal
[16:41] <wxl> that's another thing this manual should have. lots of screenshots.
[16:42] <wxl> but do it like code
[16:42] <teward> wxl: "Would you like some text with your screenshots?" type of deal is still bad though :Lp
[16:42] <wxl> incremental improvement
[16:42] <wxl> i.e. do the text first
[16:42] <wxl> teward: yes yes dear :)
[16:43] <teward> :P
[16:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: that's the plan
[16:43] <wxl> tsimonq2: i figured as such, but it's worth saying
[16:43] <tsimonq2> :)
[16:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: what should I respond with if people say, "we already have a Lubuntu Manual" ?
[16:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: it's managed under Bazaar, first big mistake :P
[16:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: it's also really outdated
[16:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: i would merge anything relevant there into this project
[16:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: also, it should be documented on the wiki page
[16:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: but the syntax on that Lubuntu manual is ugly :P
[16:47] <tsimonq2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs/lubuntu-manual/trunk/view/head:/installation/installation.tex
[16:47] <tsimonq2> eew
[16:47] <tsimonq2> I don't even know how to read that...
[16:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: did we ever *finish* a Lubuntu Manual?
[16:48] <teward> lol tex file
[16:48] <tsimonq2> what's a tex file?
[16:49] <tsimonq2> PLEASE tell me it's an old format that's not used anymore... lol
[16:49] <wxl> the only person that i've ever known to actually put any time in a manual was lynorian
[16:49] <wxl> tex is a very legitimate format
[16:49] <wxl> unfortunately it's a little obtuse
[16:50] <tsimonq2> yeah
[16:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: so sticking with Sphinx is a good idea?
[16:50] <wxl> i think so
[16:50] <tsimonq2> great
[16:52] <wxl> i do know that lynorian made a lot of contributions to that recently so it would be wise to use any of that content possible
[16:52] <wxl> ultimately sphinx and tex are SORT of similar
[16:52] <wxl> but sphinx is far more updated
[16:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: if anything, instead of GitHub (although it could be used as a mirror of sorts and could accept pull requests on there as well), you could possibly add me as an admin of ~lubuntu-wiki-docs so I can just push the Git repo to Launchpad as well
[16:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: your choice, do you want to wait?
[16:52] <wxl> i think that would be wise
[16:52] <wxl> for now, it's fine where it is
[16:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: former or latter?
[16:53] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[16:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: I actually have the ability to push to LP, mind if I just use it as a mirror for now?
[16:54] <wxl> sure
[16:54] <wxl> most important thing is involve the community
[16:54] <tsimonq2> awesome
[16:55] <tsimonq2> then there will be multiple methods to make PRs, some people hate GitHub, some people hate Launchpad, it's the best of both worlds I think
[16:55] <wxl> you might want to look for info like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/725811/is-sphinx-better-than-latex-in-writing-manuals-books to make an argument about why we should switch to sphinx
[16:56] <wxl> https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/2.1/phk/sphinx.html
[22:11] <lynorian> yes restructered text is a lot easier than tex
[22:11] <lynorian> I think only real reason to use tex is like complex math homework
[22:16] <lynorian> Also even getting a pdf out of that manual was hard
[22:18] <lynorian> tsimonq2, ^
[22:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[22:48] <wxl> tsimonq2: ^
[22:48] <wxl> lynorian: ^
[22:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: ok
[22:48] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:48] <wxl> i used to use tex for math homework
[22:49] <wxl> well, note taking really
[22:49] <tsimonq2> rofl
[22:49] <wxl> i'd make pdfs out of it
[22:49] <wxl> but tex requires a lot of moving parts
[22:49] <lynorian> and free space for everything
[22:50] <lynorian> `sudo apt-get install texlive-full --dry-run `
[22:51] <wxl> *J* 7?
[22:51]  * wxl checks to see if J is close to S
[22:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: ##tsimonq2 :P
[22:52] <wxl> oh jeez
[22:53] <lynorian> did rafeal make the manual icon
[22:55] <tsimonq2> lynorian: s/apt-get/apt/
[22:55] <tsimonq2> lynorian: yep