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hikikohello05:02
desrthello hikiko !07:19
hikikohi desrt :)07:20
hikikohappy friday!07:20
TrevinhoGood morning!07:25
hikikohi Trevinho07:25
TrevinhoHi hikiko!07:26
Laneyahoy there08:02
seb128hey Laney Trevinho hikiko desrt willcooke desktopers08:09
seb128how is everyone today?08:09
TrevinhoHey seb128... Good!08:10
TrevinhoYou m08:10
seb128:-)08:10
Trevinho?08:10
seb128I'm still not used to Trevinho to be up on normal european office hours :p08:11
seb128I'm good thanks!08:11
willcookemorning all08:11
Trevinhoseb128: things will go back to normality maybe 😁08:11
seb128:-)08:11
TrevinhoLaney: you could give a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/force-quit-dialog-gtk-3.20-selectors/+merge/302049?08:11
hikikohi seb128 Laney willcooke desktopers08:16
LaneyHI!!!!!!!08:16
desrtomg laney08:16
LaneyTrevinho: you can probably give it a css name and style that instead08:17
TrevinhoLaney: eh... I wanted to do that, but.... What's the best way nowadays m08:18
Trevinho?08:18
Laneyif you're like "i'm a new widget" then have a css name, if you're like "i'm this widget but with some extra Trevinho-like qualities" then add a class08:19
* Laney upwards nods towards desrt 08:19
desrtword.08:20
Laneythere's some protestors in the city centre apparently08:20
Laneyhttp://www.nottinghampost.com/trams-held-up-as-protestors-lie-on-the-tracks/story-29588462-detail/story.html08:20
TrevinhoI think I added some classes... Or maybe not...08:20
LaneyIt is not yet known what the people are protesting about, but a reporter is on his way to the scene to find out more.08:20
Laneyhaha08:20
desrtIt is not yet known what the people are protesting about, but a reporter is on his way to the scene to find out more.08:21
desrtlol.08:21
desrtthis is hilarious08:21
TrevinhoI mean there's not a way to match "tag"  names as it used to be, isn't it?08:21
desrti'm guessing they're protesting standing.  "standing sucks!  let's just lie here!"08:21
Laneyoh08:21
Laneyit's some coordinated Black Lives Matter protest08:21
Laneythere are similar ones in other cities08:21
TrevinhoAhaha08:21
desrtlovely.08:22
desrtgreat way to bring public opinion onside08:22
LaneyTrevinho: I guess this SheetStyleDialog thing would set a name, and then you give CSS for that08:22
Laneycould even do that in the theme then08:22
Laneybut if you don't want to, this is probably fine too08:23
Laneyhttp://www.nottinghampost.com/city-centre-chaos-as-protestors-lie-on-tram-tracks-live-updates/story-29588479-detail/story.html08:23
TrevinhoLaney: I've checked with the inspector, but I didn't see much to match...08:23
TrevinhoI'll experiment more08:24
Laneyif you give your widget a name then you can match it08:24
seb128Trevinho, renato landed a fix for the buteo/eds conflicts btw, if you want to confirm it makes things coinstall without issue08:25
Laneyhttps://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-class-set-css-name08:25
Trevinhoseb128: I'll check it... You think is SRUable too m08:32
Trevinho?08:32
seb128I see no reason why not08:32
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qenghoGood morning(?).11:24
seb128hey qengho, back to u.s tz?11:33
qenghoseb128: Yep!11:44
seb128jibel, thanks for that iso size difference table, seems it's mostly down to what L_aney said yesterday and doko confirmed some toolchain bits are unstripped atm11:47
seb128also I've used the hud to sort the table in libreoffice, must be one of the first time I need it but it's working well/useful to get in such complex menu you don't know case ;-)11:49
seb128jibel, the script used seems a bit buggy though there are too many added item, e.g /bin/plymouth is in the list and was already there on xenial (just to pick an example)11:51
jibelseb128, yes, the spreadsheet is not really accurate though, it's the result of a side by side diff so it's a bit off sometimes but it gives an idea.12:04
seb128yeah12:05
jibelit seems the increase is the result of fatter binaries12:05
seb128well it's useful and the big offerender are the gcc unstripped binaries12:05
seb128so I guess it should go back mostly in order when doko stops playing12:05
jibelI'll redo a check in 2 weeks or so12:06
seb128thanks12:06
Laneybe good to make cdimage produce something like that12:07
dokojibel, seb128: that will stay for a month or so12:07
seb128yeah, and get an history/record of the files12:07
seb128to see what changed/how/when12:08
seb128doko, what is that giving us exactly? what source is concerned?12:08
jibelLaney, i've something similar for the phone, I can adapt it for other images12:09
dokoseb128, no code should be affected12:09
dokothat's just for debugging ICEs12:09
Laneyjibel: if it ended up next to the images on cdimage then it would enable easier comparisons12:09
seb128doko, k, thanks12:09
Laneybut I expect integrating it in there isn't going to be that easy12:09
seb128also we don't keep history of the cdimage dirs do we?12:10
seb128http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ only has yesterday and today12:10
seb128which is fine if you watch daily but some history record would be nicer12:10
seb128but that's already an issue we have today12:11
seb128I save some manifests on disk every now and then so I can diff with previous milestones when needed12:11
Laneyyou could set something up to archive them12:12
seb128right, what I just said, would be nice to have that ;-)12:13
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Laneyya, just saying that it doesn't have to be in cdimage itself12:15
seb128yep, would probably be better one of the qa reports12:18
Laneyis someone handling packagekit in proposed?12:25
Laneythe click thing needs to go away12:25
seb128not that I know12:26
willcookeLaney, seb128 - t_edg was looking at PK and Click if that is relevant here?12:47
seb128when?12:50
jbichapk-click was discussed briefly at bug 1496292 which also suggests tedg12:51
ubot5bug 1496292 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "Needs to be ported to packagekit 1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149629212:51
willcookeseb128, I spoke to a_lecu about at the end of June12:51
seb128right12:51
seb128same old story12:51
seb128he's probably the one to look at12:51
seb128I just don't think he's actively doing that atm, he's busy on other things12:51
seb128like making ual works with systemd12:52
willcookelet's find out....12:52
willcooketedg, are you likely to look at the PK / Click thing again soon?12:52
seb128Mirv already pinged him early this week about that12:52
LaneyI will just break it, as I think was the agreement12:52
seb128you can try the keep nagging though :p12:52
willcookeGuess he'll be online in an hour or so12:53
willcookeseb128, ack12:53
seb128Laney, it's already broken since we landed pkgit1 no?12:53
Laneythat is in proposed12:53
seb128right12:53
seb128well the thing is that you need to change the touch seed to get it migrating12:53
LaneyI want to get it out12:53
seb128that ^12:53
Laneythat is one thing12:53
seb128then I guess you need to talk to the phone team12:53
Laneyclick needs to stop making the plugin12:53
Laneyis another thing12:53
seb128well that's the main one12:53
seb128which is seeded12:53
seb128you better ask if they can do without it before deleting it12:54
Laneydidn't that get agreed already?12:54
seb128things keep changing12:54
seb128so I would check if it's still valid12:54
seb128but that's just me12:54
tedgwillcooke: I wasn't going to look at the Click stuff, I thought our plan as "full snap" on the dekstop.12:59
seb128the other side of that is, do we have a snap lens in unity8-desktop/is that ok to do without the click on for 16.10? that might make the new session less useful13:00
seb128willcooke, ^13:00
seb128because I think it's fine for phone to drop it, they don't do yakkety13:00
seb128but now we are talking about desktop session...13:00
tedgThe "click-scope" will do snaps, that is currently under development.13:00
dobeyyeah13:00
dobeyhi13:00
tedgdobey: You need to rename it :-)13:01
seb128is that going to be before 16.10?13:01
seb128hey dobey13:01
willcookeso yeah, plan is to get rid of click for u8 desktop session in Y.13:01
* tedg looks at 16.10 schedule13:01
dobeyseb128: that was the original plan iirc, but gcc6 causing some blockage elsewhere that needs fixed first it seems13:02
seb128sounds like ff fun coming13:02
tedgseb128: Yeah, I think we're roughly on target for feature freeze. As dobey notes we're not running with huge margin.13:03
seb128willcooke, was that plan relying on snap to be replacing it? or is it fine having a session which can't install clicks or snaps?13:03
Laneyflocculant: Can haz artwork?13:03
Laneygnome-software can install snaps13:03
seb128it's currently not working under unity813:03
seb128gtk-mir fixes needed for that13:04
willcookeseb128, we'll need some kind of app installation, and I think that should be snaps13:04
Laneybe confident in the top brainzzzzz13:04
seb128willcooke, right, should13:04
seb128reality check might be different though...13:04
seb128we are getting there13:05
seb128it's just getting tight for 16.1013:05
willcookeas always13:05
willcooke:)13:05
seb128:-)13:05
seb128said differently what's plan B if snaps support doesn't land/is buggy?13:05
willcookeI've set myself a reminder to chase again at the end of next week13:06
seb128or do we just go without a plan B13:06
tedgPlan B is for Windows developers.13:06
willcookelol13:06
seb128they have ubuntu now13:06
dobeyswitching to Plan 9?13:06
seb128so they are fine ;-)13:06
tedgHeh13:06
willcookeseb128, let's talk about getting g-s running on U8 in our call on Monday evening13:07
willcookeI'll invite attente to that too13:07
seb128k13:07
seb128that's plan A or B? ;-)13:07
willcookeC13:07
willcooke:)13:07
seb128good, seems like we are covered13:08
tedgPlan ⍺13:08
seb128also we didn't look at changing gnome-software to switch from our custom backend to the pkgkit113:11
seb128but I guess that's for next cycle at this point13:11
seb128we didn't even manage to land the rebase on the current stable for what it's worth13:11
LaneyThe rebase could presumably still happen, if somebody manages to get back on the project13:13
LaneyFixing the plugin and upstreaming everything doesn't need to be tied to an Ubuntu release cycle IMO13:13
seb128right13:20
seb128I was mostly speaking about what lands in 16.1013:20
Sweet5harknew ambiance/gtk3 look for libreoffice: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/277270841/fixed-ambiance-gtk3.png for comparision, this is how the toolbar looked before: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/258953640/libreoffice-weird-theme.png13:58
seb128great work Sweet5hark!13:59
Sweet5harkFWIW, breeze-dark is about to be upstreamed -- if its there in 5.3 we might consider having a dark toolbar with icons that work on that ...14:01
Sweet5hark... although -- meh, likely that needs more css class tweaking as the sidepanel might go havoc then (some parts are class toolbar others are not).14:02
seb128seems like we are having a good bunch of people getting familiar with css for gtk, that's nice14:05
jbichaSweet5hark: congrats, you're the new ubuntu-themes maintainer! ;)14:09
Sweet5hark<insert that greyish cloud that appears when a pokemon escapes here>14:10
* Sweet5hark wont even be tempted by razz berries.14:10
seb128Laney, there are a bunch of gtk branches in the sponsoring queue, gtkmir update from attente and new version from jbicha (+1 a sru), are you still looking at gtk and going to pick those up or did you move back to other things?14:43
LaneyI know14:43
LaneyI'm not uploading gtk before it migrates though14:43
Laneywill do it after14:44
seb128k, might make sense to just bzr merge some of those to get them off the sponsoring queue even if we don't upload14:45
LaneyI pressed claim on one of them, can't do it on https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/gtk/gtk-3-20-7/+merge/302108 since I got requested14:47
Laneymaybe you can14:48
Laneymight get it off the list14:48
Laneymerging implies reviewing, which I'm not doing immediately14:48
seb128k14:49
Laneyty!14:51
Laneyhope the testsuite passes ;-)14:57
seb128what's going on with the publisher?15:03
seb128I uploaded a package to yakkety over an hour ago and the source is still not in proposed according to rmadison15:03
Laneyseems slow15:06
LaneyI was watching for apport for ages yesterday15:06
Laneyand now I'm watching for qml-module-qtpositioning for quite some time too15:06
seb128builders seem to have the debs from the new version15:06
seb128unsure why rmadison doesn't15:07
seb128but it means I can retry the builds15:07
Laneythat's one of the last things to be updated afaik15:08
Laneyit means it's definitely there, but can also be there earlier15:08
seb128k15:09
seb128the yakkety excuses page is "entertaining" :-/15:09
seb128the new pcre is making glib grumpy15:11
seb128ERROR:/build/glib2.0-4NbKb8/glib2.0-2.49.2/./glib/tests/regex.c:82:test_new: assertion failed (g_regex_get_compile_flags (regex) == data->real_compile_opts): (0x00000000 == 0x00000001)15:11
seb128desrt, (Laney?), ^ known?15:12
Laneynot by me15:13
seb128looks like it has been reported upstream on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76724015:16
ubot5Gnome bug 767240 in gregex "Regex failures with pcre 8.38" [Normal,New]15:16
seb128desrt, ^ can you have a look?15:16
seb128that title probably means 8.3915:17
Laneygregex is hilarious15:18
desrthuh15:30
desrtseb128: can you remind me next week?15:32
seb128desrt, sure15:32
desrtthanks15:32
seb128yw!15:32
* jbicha wonders if splitting adwaita-icon-theme is that important any more15:33
seb128yes15:33
seb128we discussed it before xenial iirc15:34
seb128and it still has a non trivial impact on the iso15:34
jbichaapt-cache show gives installed size of 23.0 MB15:35
seb128it's not that big but it's some mbs added there and there which lead us to where we are15:35
seb128right15:35
seb128we should have kept a 1G limit or something15:35
seb128we are up to 1.7G15:35
seb128it's really suboptimal :-/15:35
jbichaI added poppler-data back to the .iso with installed size of 12.4 MB and no one complained15:36
seb128well poppler-data is useful for some documents15:37
seb128you can try to make a case of why we would need to unsplit adwaita15:37
seb128list some bugs/visual issues we currently have on the default desktop that we wouldn't if we didn't do that15:37
jbichaok, it's probably just bugs with the split itself16:04
seb128do you have examples?16:05
seb128but yeah, we might need to move a few icons in the default set16:05
seb128we did that previous cycle iirc16:05
jbichaI haven't looked closely at file size but I think we should move all the symbolic icons in the default set16:06
seb128would that make a difference anywhere in Unity?16:07
seb128if the issue is GNOME session you can probably just recommends the -full set there16:07
jbichayeah we already do that there16:07
jbichathe trigger today was the final comment on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/769533#c516:08
ubot5Gnome bug 769533 in general "Use GTK 3.14 rtl icon support" [Normal,New]16:08
jbichabut I'm not sure if the Ubuntu packaging was broken or not16:08
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jbichaanyway, that needs more info16:11
seb128we are going to miss some icons in some situations yes16:11
seb128it's a cost/benefit thing16:11
seb128but if there are obvious case where things are wrong we should move the corresponding icons to the main binary16:12
jbichaI thought the theory was that it would ship all icons that aren't in ubuntu-themes (although I guess some might be only scalable svgs instead of all png sizes)16:12
seb128unsure what was the original definition but atm it's more the set of icons that are useful for the default session/most used apps with the minimal impact on the iso16:15
seb128like we stayed out of the big png icons in the past16:16
seb128but that was moved previous cycle for better hidpi16:16
seb128the -full deb is still 8M compared to 3.3M for the main one16:17
seb128would be interesting to see what the numbers are if we move everything which isn't in ubuntu-themes to the main deb16:18
Sweet5harksooo, who is volunteering to merge and upload the ubuntu-themes branch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1580537 ?16:24
ubot5Launchpad bug 1580537 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice with ambiance theme and breeze icon style is unusable" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:24
Sweet5harkany volunteers?16:24
seb128Sweet5hark, do a merge proposal to start16:25
seb128but it's friday evening so I guess that's going to be an item for next week16:25
Laney1) update Radiance too16:25
Laney2) base it on the upload that's in -proposed currently16:25
flocculantLaney: wut? or were you looking for flexiondotorg ?16:26
Laneyyes16:26
Laneydid I highlight you16:26
flocculantyea :D16:26
LaneyWIMPRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS16:26
* flocculant thought he'd changed to wimpress or something :)16:26
seb128Sweet5hark, did you test on gtk 3.18 or 3.20?16:26
Laneyflocculant: I've been an advocate of the three letter tab complete rule in the past, seems I can't stick to it myself16:27
Laneyflexiondotorg: I need artwork pleeeeeeeeease16:27
flocculantLaney really wouldn't want artwork from me ... just ask ochosi :p16:27
Sweet5harkseb128: urrrgh, yes. my launchpad/bzr-foo is so rusty as I never practice it.16:28
seb128Sweet5hark, it's easy enough, on https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu-themes/libreoffice-toolbars you click the "propose for merging"16:28
seb128but what La_ney said16:29
seb128needs to rebase and update the other theme16:29
seb128also unsure if you tested on gtk 3.20 which is currently in proposed only16:29
seb128but that might force you to more changes16:29
seb128your current version might be good for a SRU to xenial still in that case16:29
seb128since I guess we might want to fix it there for those who try the gtk3 version in the lts16:30
Laneyit's probably .primary-toolbar button16:30
Laneyassuming they are real gtkbuttons16:30
Sweet5harkLaney: Radience isnt broken -- at least not in the way Ambiance is. Both might need to be tweaked for beauty, but there is no patching needed per se to keep LibreOffice/gtk3 usable with Radiance. Someone not having two left hand for design (unlike me) might do further tweaks to make both beautiful.16:31
Sweet5harkas for testing -- I did this with a patched LibreOffice master build on Ubuntu 16.04. Admittedly havent tested on Ubuntu 16.10 yet as I dont have a local LibreOffice 5.2 build that I could patch on yakkety here right now.16:34
seb128well it's likely to need more work for yakkety then16:35
seb128but it might be good enough for a SRU16:35
seb128you might still want to update the other theme just to keep them in sync, unsure what difference it would do16:35
LaneyI would keep it synchronised if it doesn't break things16:38
seb128+116:38
Laneyit's hard to understand the split already16:38
Laneyeach difference makes that more difficult16:38
seb128on that note it's friday 18:39 and I'm calling it a week16:39
seb128have a nice w.e everyone!16:39
seb128see you on monday16:39
Sweet5harkseb128: well, the biggest problem was that the dark icons arent well-readable on the dark toolbar background of Ambiance. Thats solved with background-image:none for Ambiance. This is not a problem with Radiance, were the background-image is light (its some light gradient). Setting background-image:none there would kill the (light, nonproblematic) gradient in Radiance.16:40
seb128k16:40
seb128well at least add a comment explaining the why then16:40
Sweet5harkOTOH, the gradient in Radience is ugly. IOW, I fear that will open just a huge can of worms ....16:41
Sweet5harkseb128: anyways, have a nice weekend!16:41
seb128thanks, you too!16:41
jbichaSweet5hark: but just think, if you're the ubuntu-themes maintainer you can improve things like that!16:42
Sweet5harkjbicha: .16:42
Sweet5harkjbicha: ..16:42
* Sweet5hark doesnt like the "fix it against gtk 3.20" thing TBH. We need to get LO 5.2 in ASAP now, new gcc and boost foo is already enough "joy" all by themselves -- stacking more deps on that isnt helpfil. Also the 5.1 version currently in yakkety is ftbfs IIRC.16:46
Sweet5harkbut gtk 3.20 is already in -proposed, so ... meh16:47
Laneyok, happy weekend17:01
* Laney is going to try a new "micro brewery" with restaurant17:01
LaneyEXCITED17:01
Laneybyeeee17:01
willcookenight Laney17:02
* willcooke is going to the pub as well17:02
Laneythe old angel17:02
Laneyit used to be a grimy but legendary venue17:02
Laneythen it closed down, now it's this new thing17:02
Laneysee if it has any of the old charms17:02
willcookeoh, I know that pub :)17:03
Laneythought you might17:03
willcooke:D17:03
Laneythis is it now http://angelmicrobrewery.com/about.html17:03
Laneylaterz17:04
willcooketa ta17:04
willcookeright. night all17:56
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