[01:38] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:05] <rick_h_> party
[04:32] <greg-g> sleepy
[13:19] <cmaloney> MOrning
[15:43] <Scary_Guy> hey
[16:01] <cmaloney> How goes?
[16:03] <Scary_Guy> still fighting with nut, can't seem to make it connect but the ups might not be supported
[16:03] <Scary_Guy> dad's got the same one, had the same issues with the windows version of nut
[16:04] <Scary_Guy> the proprietary apc powerchute program runs fine though
[16:04] <Scary_Guy> sorry not nut, apcupsd
[16:07] <cmaloney> right
[16:07] <cmaloney> I got it working once
[16:07] <cmaloney> You might have to do some user perms with USB and apcuspd
[16:07] <cmaloney> I don't recall if it runs as root
[16:09] <Scary_Guy> no, the windows box was apcupsd, mine is nut.  also nut can run as its own user
[16:09] <Scary_Guy> they also recommend strong security since someone could send a shutdown command through it
[16:52] <cmaloney> brousch: pygame is getting a new release. ;)
[16:52] <brousch> What year is this?
[18:11] <shakes808> anyone know C# ASP.NET?
[18:11] <jrwren> not anymore.
[18:11] <shakes808> :|
[18:11] <shakes808> damn
[18:11] <jrwren> that knowledge has long left my brain.
[18:11] <jrwren> why?
[18:12] <shakes808> haha
[18:12] <shakes808> I am having an issue
[18:12] <shakes808> "Parser Error Message: Only Content controls are allowed directly in a content page that contains Content controls."
[18:12] <shakes808> site.master and the child page look good
[18:13] <shakes808> but get that with the code being
[18:13] <shakes808> Line 1:
[18:13] <shakes808> Line 2:
[18:13] <shakes808> Source File: /Default.aspx Line: 1
[18:13] <shakes808> :|
[18:14] <shakes808> been trying to figure this out all day :( getting irritated.  No one here knows or gives me the same advice that I have found in StackOverflow... which isn't working
[18:14] <shakes808> Figured someone in here is smarter than the average bear ;)
[18:16] <jrwren> shakes808: pastebin the Default.aspx?
[18:16] <jrwren> shakes808: also, ##csharp on this irc network is a wonderful place. Maybe  bit too chatty, but used to be full of good peeps.
[18:16] <shakes808> I posted in there but nothing yet :(
[18:17] <jrwren> shakes808: are you using visual studio? does the editor give any syntax errors?
[18:17] <shakes808> http://pastebin.com/Tvj3sqKP
[18:17] <shakes808> Yes VS 13
[18:19] <jrwren> shakes808: all microsoft ;]
[18:19] <jrwren> shakes808: err... CALL.
[18:19] <shakes808> haha
[18:20] <shakes808> can i do that?!
[18:20] <jrwren> shakes808: is the master page doing something stupid like also wrapping in a content control?
[18:20] <jrwren> shakes808: this is why people use ASP.NET/C#, right? because it is supported by giant corp and its paid for... yes... call them up!
[18:21] <shakes808> http://pastebin.com/5Wjshyuj
[18:21] <shakes808> site.master ^^^^
[18:22] <cmaloney> brousch: It's a strange year.
[18:23] <jrwren> shakes808: that commented out stuff in master looks weird. Is it actually committed to VCS that way?
[18:23] <jrwren> shakes808: ya know its ok to delete code, you can always pull it out of history, right?  ;]
[18:23] <shakes808> I took that out to try to see if it would work.  That is just some of the default stuff that loads in when creating a project.
[18:24] <shakes808> After I got it to work I was going to clean that up
[18:24] <jrwren> shakes808: can you hook up a debugger and get a stack trace?  i guess probably not becuase its on parse.
[18:25] <shakes808> I put breakpoints in at every page_load.  it is happening after compile and before rendering.
[18:25] <shakes808> only thing that I can see is the 500 server error because of the parse
[18:26] <jrwren> shakes808: i've no idea. that is a cool problem. content control isn't getting confused by id=body on the div and changing the <asp:Content ID="bodyContent" to <div id=body and they are colliding, are they?
[18:26] <shakes808> Shouldn't be.  that is default tags.
[18:26] <shakes808> those*
[18:27] <shakes808> I will mess with that and see if that changes anything
[18:28] <jrwren> shakes808: delete line 2 so that <asp:Content> is immediately after <%@ Page ?
[18:28] <shakes808> jrwren: same issue
[18:28] <jrwren> i dunno, i'm grasping at straws.
[18:28] <shakes808> thank you, but no change
[18:28] <shakes808> haha
[18:28] <shakes808> i know, i don't understand
[18:28] <shakes808> shouldn't be this difficult
[18:28] <shakes808> we should change our stack to node and python ;)
[18:29] <shakes808> and/or
[18:30] <cmaloney> http://www.peppercarrot.com/en/article379/episode-18-the-encounter <- I helped inspire this episode. ;)
[18:31] <jrwren> shakes808: i dunno... asp.net is pretty sweet. sounds like something stupid getting in your way
[18:40] <jrwren> shakes808: i just poked around MSDN... omg the docs for asp.net are TERRIBLE these days. They were much better 10yrs gao.
[18:41] <cmaloney> That's suprising
[18:46] <shakes808> jrwren: right?!  the csharp chat just responded.  "I don't see anything obviously wrong"   .... :| wouldn't be in there if it was something simple haha
[18:46] <jrwren> shakes808: i still think it is something stupid, like <%-- isn't commenting or end commenting correctly or something.
[18:47] <shakes808> alright, I will get rid of all that
[18:47] <shakes808> :| nope... :(
[18:49] <shakes808> jrwren: I guess I can try to remake it and see if I get a different result, but doubt it
[18:49] <jrwren> shakes808: line endings?  dos v. unix style?
[18:49] <shakes808> How do I check that in VS?
[18:49] <jrwren> shakes808: encoding?  asci v. utf8 v.?
[18:49] <jrwren> I dunno, know your editor :p
[18:49] <shakes808> haha
[18:50] <jrwren> if you copy and pasted something from somewhere, sometimes those can pull wrong line endings and paste tehm.
[18:50] <jrwren> read your source in a hex editor? :]
[18:50] <jrwren> i'm crazy enough to do that. I don't actually recommmend it.
[18:54] <shakes808> in the site.master it has the charset.  Changed it to ASCII and ANSI and nothing has changed :( same error
[18:54] <jrwren> does the UTF8 saved file have a BOM header?
[18:54] <jrwren> maybe there are hidden null characters?
[18:54] <jrwren> does the file XML parse?
[18:54] <jrwren> it is well formatted XML?
[18:54] <jrwren> maybe run through XML Lint
[18:55] <shakes808> I can see if I can find anything in a HEX editor
[19:02] <shakes808> I see this in front, but some special characters in front.  but i think that is the header of the file to denote the type of file?  It comes back like this when I copy it " using System.C "
[19:04] <shakes808> looks like an i with two dots then  >> followed by upside down ?
[19:05] <shakes808> Going to try to remake the project and add this stuff back in
[19:07] <jrwren> what hex values?  if it is 3 bytes, 0xEF,0xBB,0xBF  its the BOM
[19:08] <jrwren> adding stuff back in with copy and paste might just paste bad characters if it is bad characters causing the problem.
[19:08] <shakes808> it is the first three char
[19:08] <shakes808> alright, then I will retype it all out
[20:29] <shakes808> jrwren: so I just got done typing most of my code back in.  it had to be something to do with copy and pasting the code.  :|  wasted a day on copy and paste .... WTF!!!!
[20:31] <greg-g> welcome to computers
[20:31] <shakes808> greg-g: HAHA :( ;(
[20:32] <gamerchick02> bad time with computers right now?
[20:36] <shakes808> gamerchick02: spent the day trying to figure out what was going on with my web app when it would seem it was a copy and paste issue.  started a new proj and typed all the files out and it is working ..... :| X{
[20:36] <gamerchick02> oh ugh. that stuff happens.
[20:37] <jrwren> shakes808: beware pasting.
[20:37] <shakes808> haha
[20:37] <jrwren> shakes808: Imma claim that I helped.
[20:38] <shakes808> HAHA, well you did point me in that direction that copy and paste might be off.
[20:38] <shakes808> too bad I didn't find this sooner
[20:38] <shakes808>  :(
[20:39] <gamerchick02> well you found it now.
[20:39] <gamerchick02> i call that a success.
[20:39] <shakes808> and the other issue is that we are using VB and C#.  If we weren't compiling all the time and changing references and whatever else we need to do, this could have been a non issue.  :)
[20:40] <shakes808> nothing is consistent :|  Working on getting them there :)
[20:44] <gamerchick02> ooof that's a big job. good luck
[20:45] <shakes808> i know.  I am working on getting both of the dev teams in the same work flow right now and utilizing TFS a better way and a better release process... i have my work cut out for me.
[20:46] <gamerchick02> you do. wow.
[21:00] <shakes808> have a good weekend all
[21:04] <gamerchick02> you too!