[00:19] <acheronuk> clivejo: no. I'll do it when it stops moving!
[00:20] <acheronuk> just want to copy to notes
[00:20] <clivejo> ./kubuntu-retry-builds -s yakkety -r frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force
[00:20] <acheronuk> yes
[00:20] <acheronuk> ta!
[00:21] <acheronuk> definitely easier :)
[00:22] <acheronuk> don't think so. just giff/png
[00:22] <acheronuk> gif
[01:31] <valorie> woooo, green!
 Wooooow that was a long day
 I biked a good 15 miles then bowled for two hours
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j8gZV2Mr/file_65.jpg
 Yay, WiFi down again...
[01:36]  * valorie extends her ethernet cable to tsimonq2
 OMG thank you, I really need to replace this stupid USB dongle
 :D
[01:37] <valorie> lol
 I think it might be good now, phone is connected
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vfViKgq8/file_67.jpg
 Finally!
[01:45] <tsimonq2> I feel like I need to fix something today before I go to bed...
[01:45]  * tsimonq2 searches through the long list of failures
[01:47]  * tsimonq2 attempts to fix yakkety_unstable_ktp-desktop-applets
[01:49] <valorie> that sounds useful!
[02:03] <tsimonq2> I can't finish, I need sleep, I'm really tired...
[02:03] <tsimonq2> zzzZZZzzz o/
[02:04] <ahoneybun> night
[02:17] <ahoneybun> yofel: dial that server down a bit
[02:17] <ahoneybun> it's at 95% CPU usage
[02:19] <valorie> I think it's pretty damn early on Sun. morning for yofel~
[02:19] <valorie> !
[02:50] <ahoneybun> valorie: well I dowloaded the daily
[02:54]  * ahoneybun wonders where these builds go
[02:54] <valorie> unstable will presumably go into YY and maybe into backports
[02:57] <ahoneybun> it's just that if it's fixed why rebuild it so much
[02:58] <valorie> if they are fixed, they are no longer rebuilt until there is a change in source
[02:58] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:58] <valorie> so you notice that at first there is a flood of read
[02:58] <valorie> red
[02:58] <valorie> then green
[02:59] <ahoneybun> can we get a new kdenlive in yakkety>
[02:59] <valorie> then very little red, which gets fixed
[02:59] <valorie> !info kdenlive yakkaty
[02:59] <valorie> pff
[02:59] <valorie> !info kdenlive yakkety
[02:59] <ahoneybun> it;s the same as xenial
[02:59] <valorie> what is the newest release?
[03:00] <ahoneybun> 16.04 or .08 maybe by this point
[03:00] <ahoneybun> a ppa has 16.04 which I use
[03:00] <valorie> you can propose that, if it's thoroughly tested
[03:01] <valorie> clivejo, yofel, acheronuk ^^^
[03:01] <ahoneybun> !info mlt
[03:01] <ahoneybun> !info vid.stab
[03:01] <ahoneybun> !info vfrei0r
[03:01] <ahoneybun> weird
[03:01] <valorie> but you'll have to provide the ppa to them
[03:01] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~kdenlive/+archive/ubuntu/kdenlive-stable
[03:02] <valorie> that's one of the devels, so it should be good
[03:02] <valorie> imo you should write to the list so you are sure it gets seen
[03:02] <ahoneybun> it's pulling from git so it might be not good
[03:03] <ahoneybun> it crashes for me though tbh
[03:03] <valorie> we won't release a non-released application
[03:03] <valorie> for sure
[03:03] <valorie> get them to tag and release!
[03:04] <ahoneybun> official https://kdenlive.org/discover/16.04.0
[03:05] <valorie> if it's better than what we have, advocate for it
[03:05] <valorie> but it sounds like that PPA isn't packaging the release
 Booting  yakkety daily now
 Wow it has 5.5.5?
[03:10] <valorie> Plasma 5.6.3 is what I have
 You have ppas
 This is stock iso
[03:11] <valorie> Qt 5.5.1
[03:11] <valorie> pretty sure I'm stock
[03:11] <valorie> except I have Telegram
[03:12] <valorie> my testing is in a VM
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/21CjGOre/file_69.jpg
 You need qt 5.6.1 I think
[03:13] <valorie> It's possible I upgraded plasma and then removed the PPA
 I'm going to see if I can dual boot lol
 Nope
[03:14] <valorie> dual boot with what?
[03:14] <valorie> I have win/lin
 16.04 and 16.10
 I don't have high hopes but we'll see
[03:16] <valorie> why wouldn't you be able to?
 I formated my / with 16.10 but left my /home alone
[03:17] <valorie> you couldn't successfully share a $HOME I think
[03:17] <valorie> better to have a DATA drive and share that
 Well already installing
 I see what they mean by slideshow is broken lol
 If anything I'll just edit on my laptop
 For the show
[03:20] <valorie> wow, LP must have gotten well
 gotten well
 ?
 I'm not on IRC atm
[03:21] <valorie> it's been uber-slow for the past few weeks, and driving Clive in particular to tears
[03:22] <valorie> because there is a cascade that has to happen -- frameworks in particular have to build before plasma packages, etc.
[03:22] <valorie> so when LP bodges, everything clogs and fails
 so it installed
 with no errors now lets see if it boots
[03:26] <valorie> :-)
 booted
 but KickOff has still not been fixed?
 what was that ppa valorie?
 oh right I have old versions then
[03:35] <ahoneybun> wow that was the first time I got konversion to work on the first try
[03:39] <ahoneybun> valorie: what was that ppa?
[03:39] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: clivejo ppa's to use with yakkety
[03:47] <valorie> not sure what ppa you want, ahoneybun
[03:47] <valorie> look in the /topic
[03:47] <ahoneybun> I'm getting for apps is staging-kdeapplications
[03:49] <ahoneybun> let's see what I can break
[03:49] <ahoneybun> 475 packages that could do it
[03:49] <ahoneybun> let's get breaking valorie :)
[03:50] <valorie> well, I upgraded
[03:51] <ahoneybun> I've added staging - kdeapplications, plasma, and frameworks
[03:51] <valorie> but not to staging on my work computer!
[03:51] <valorie> testing those worked great for me
[03:51] <ahoneybun> well my laptop can be my work if need by
[03:51] <ahoneybun> *need be
[03:51] <ahoneybun> just need to get hexchat to work
[03:51] <ahoneybun> with my bouncer
[03:52] <ahoneybun> Konversation worked fine
[03:52] <ahoneybun> I had it before but I changed the ip
[03:54] <ahoneybun> but if this works valorie it will be fun lol
[03:54] <valorie> that's why I jumped to YY so early
[03:55] <valorie> within a week or two of release of XX
[03:55] <ahoneybun> well I needed a kinda working machine
[03:55] <ahoneybun> blue something moved down to 14.04
[03:56] <ahoneybun> in #kubuntu
[03:56] <valorie> right
[03:56] <ahoneybun> mm it got stuck at kio-extras
[03:56] <valorie> not sure what his problem was; he never really said
[03:56] <ahoneybun> so using apt -f install 
[03:57] <ahoneybun> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:57] <ahoneybun>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10_amd64.deb
[03:57] <ahoneybun>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras-data_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10_all.deb
[03:57] <ahoneybun> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:58] <valorie> boo
[03:58] <ahoneybun> mm I should have used full-upgrade
[03:58] <ahoneybun> just used upgrade
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I did that just now to be safe
[03:58] <valorie> full-upgrade isn't available
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I just did it
[03:58] <ahoneybun> working fine here
[03:58] <valorie> you'll have to use dist-upgrade
[03:58] <valorie> oh
[03:58] <valorie> must be recent
[03:58] <valorie> cool
[03:59] <valorie> wasn't available a couple of days ago
[03:59] <ahoneybun> dpkg: kactivities: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
[03:59] <ahoneybun>  plasma-desktop depends on kactivities.
[03:59] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:59] <ahoneybun> removed kactivites
[03:59] <ahoneybun> plasma-desktop needs that
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I have a feeling I'm not going to get a desktop on boot lol
[04:00] <valorie> you can always ppa-purge the ppas
[04:00] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[04:01] <ahoneybun> so I would need to remove staging-plasma
[04:01] <valorie> try that first, yeah
[04:02] <ahoneybun> will do
[04:05] <ahoneybun> well here we go valorie
[04:06] <valorie> best of luck!
 Got the login!
[04:07] <valorie> \o/
 Let's see
 Yay
[04:08] <valorie> excellent
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/xJwpCor2/file_71.jpg
[04:08] <valorie> very cool
 I don't have that calendar thing
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1eIElSmD/file_73.jpg
 I think it is holiday or something
[04:09] <valorie> I don't think I do either
[04:09] <valorie> I don't see an option for it
[04:10] <valorie> however, you have a higher version of Plasma than I do
 Mm
 So you see the pictures then?
[04:10] <valorie> of course
 Says your on irc
[04:11] <ahoneybun> oh the attachements
[04:11] <valorie> it shows up like : IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1eIElSmD/file_73.jpg
[04:11] <ahoneybun> yea now I see it
[04:14] <ahoneybun> now I'm on the yakkety train
[04:18] <valorie> I always wanted to ride a yak
[04:18] <ahoneybun> !info calligra
[04:18] <ahoneybun> !info calligra-words
[04:18] <ahoneybun> !info calligra-word
[04:18] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:18] <valorie> I think that is not packaged
[04:18] <valorie> bit of a beast
[04:18] <ahoneybun> it's in Plamsa Discover
[04:18] <valorie> as I understand it
[04:18] <valorie> ok
[04:19] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/calligra
[04:19] <ahoneybun> !info calligrawords
[04:19] <ahoneybun> there we go
[04:19] <ahoneybun> !info calligrawords xenial
[04:19] <ahoneybun> kinda updated
[04:24] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[04:24] <valorie> I did nothing!
[04:24] <valorie> but sure
[04:24] <valorie> lol
[04:24] <ahoneybun> XD
[04:25] <ahoneybun> plasma looks cleaner 
[04:25] <ahoneybun> I don't know why
[04:25] <valorie> fewer bugs!
[04:25] <ahoneybun> they say that with every release
[04:25] <valorie> ain't it true?
[04:26] <valorie> it is in my experience
[04:26] <ahoneybun> sometimes
[04:26] <valorie> longer I use KDE, the fewer crashes etc. I find
[04:26] <ahoneybun> I bad mouthed KDE at akademy one night
[04:26] <valorie> ?
[04:26] <valorie> doesn't sound wise
[04:26] <ahoneybun> since it crashed so much in 15.10 I think
[04:26] <valorie> lol
[04:26] <ahoneybun> well when you add beer nothing is
[04:27] <valorie> Plasma, or what?
[04:27] <ahoneybun> plasma
[04:27] <valorie> I think the entire community wasn't crashing
[04:27] <valorie> lol
[04:27] <ahoneybun> yay kdeconnect worked
[04:28] <valorie> it was pretty crashy for awhile, for sure
[04:28] <ahoneybun> it was mostly a issue or two on our end
[04:28] <valorie> what I love is how well we work with KDE
[04:29] <valorie> and I have to credit Riddell and sitter for that
[04:29] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:29] <valorie> and now sgclark
[04:30] <ahoneybun> I had one rotten apple from KDE 
[04:30] <ahoneybun> on G+
[04:30] <ahoneybun> found a bug in Online Accounts
[04:30] <ahoneybun> weird
[04:31] <ahoneybun> now it worked
[04:31] <valorie> isn't that an Ubuntu thing?
[04:31] <ahoneybun> it's on our system
[04:31] <ahoneybun> for KDE Telepathy
[04:31] <ahoneybun> KDE Online Accounts
[04:31] <valorie> oh right
[04:33] <ahoneybun> yep
[04:34] <ahoneybun> mm a crash from System Settings
[04:35] <ahoneybun> here come the crashes
[04:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/a/MEXXx
[04:37] <ahoneybun> very misleading with the "Create Account button"
[04:37] <ahoneybun> maybe "Setup Account"
[04:38] <valorie> I see "Setup your accounts"
[04:38] <valorie> which isn't good english
[04:38] <valorie> setup ain't a word
[04:38] <ahoneybun> set up?
[04:39] <valorie> should be, yes
[04:40] <ahoneybun> would it be against kontact or kmailv2?
[04:40] <valorie> kontact I think
[04:41] <ahoneybun> I never could use kontact as that stopped me
[04:41] <ahoneybun> I'm like I don't want to make a new email lol
[04:43] <valorie> watch out, you're getting sucked into becoming a kmail dev
[04:43] <ahoneybun> I can't write code?
[04:43] <ahoneybun> XD
[04:44] <valorie> eh
[04:44] <valorie> everyone starts somewhere
[04:46] <ahoneybun> I was working on my first bug script
[04:47] <ahoneybun> bash script
[04:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366486
[04:49] <ahoneybun> should be decent
[04:53] <ahoneybun> wow kde notifications does not like a ton at once
[06:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: that bug report got an answer
[06:00] <ahoneybun> they will change it in 5.4.0
[06:12] <valorie> oh very nice
[06:12] <valorie> I bet ya could've submitted a patch for that
[06:12] <valorie> lol
[06:15] <ahoneybun> no idea how
[06:16] <ahoneybun> and it's in 16.08 now
[06:16] <valorie> you find where it's coded, fix it, and submit a diff
[06:17] <ahoneybun> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepim.git&a=commit&h=b6727c67a5241600e23dbb38ce2d6e7f5170cd61
[06:17] <ahoneybun> done lol
[06:17] <valorie> :-)
[06:17] <ahoneybun> well that diff is the issue
[06:17] <ahoneybun> not sure how to make one
[06:18] <valorie> I believe it's just a tool
[06:18] <ahoneybun> mm
[06:18] <ahoneybun> and it is
[06:18] <ahoneybun> man diff
[06:18] <ahoneybun> qqqqqqq
[06:18] <ahoneybun> opps lol
[06:19] <valorie> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/437219/using-the-output-of-diff-to-create-the-patch
[06:20] <valorie> watching men's gymnastics and splitting and sorting a spreadsheet
[06:20] <ahoneybun> let's see if we can get that in the docs
[06:20] <ahoneybun> mm rick is not on
[06:21] <valorie> packagers often can submit stuff like that upstream
[06:21] <valorie> that's how it starts....
[06:21] <ahoneybun> now that I'm on YY it might start again
[06:21] <ahoneybun> since I still have some summer left
[06:22] <valorie> can't believe how fast it's flying bye though
[06:23] <ahoneybun> can't believe I'm giving Kontact another try
[06:24] <ahoneybun> yay :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795701
[06:24] <ahoneybun> but 1 year on there thoug
[06:25] <valorie> clivejo has a PPA with it
[06:25] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[06:25] <valorie> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:clivejo/trojita
[06:25] <ahoneybun> scared to add any ppa on this machine lol
[06:25] <valorie> oh, OK
[06:25] <valorie> I hear ya
[06:26] <ahoneybun> finally made a new linode with 16.04.1
[06:26] <ahoneybun> was pushing it back
[06:26] <ahoneybun> but happy that I did it
[06:27] <valorie> what are you using it for?
[06:27] <ahoneybun> bouncer mostly
[06:27] <ahoneybun> but now my LoCo site
[06:27] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-fl.org
[06:27] <ahoneybun> just a simple html atm
[06:28] <ahoneybun> wow 4.6.3 on 16.04.1
[06:30] <ahoneybun> heyo zodiac19
[06:30] <zodiac19> Hey, not exactly sure what to say here :b
[06:30] <ahoneybun> hey's are good ;)
[06:31] <valorie> hi zodiac19
[06:31] <zodiac19> Like I said I've just started into Ruby, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can
[06:31] <zodiac19> hi valorie
[06:31] <valorie> I just wanted to add that if you follow your interests, you'll find your learning fun
[06:32] <valorie> some of our tooling is in Ruby
[06:32] <zodiac19> fun, tedious, painfully hard to look at lol
[06:32] <valorie> some Ruby vs Python groaning goes on here
[06:33] <zodiac19> Well I'm looking at Ruby to start because I already own a program I can use to test my knowledge in it
[06:33] <zodiac19> If I recall Ruby was made sort of based on python?
[06:39] <valorie> now you are asking the wrong person
[06:39]  * valorie is not a coder
[06:39]  * ahoneybun is kinda one but not of Ruby
[06:39] <valorie> most of our devels are european, and they'll be active here soon
[06:39] <valorie> although it is Sunday morning
[06:39] <ahoneybun> QML is the only main one I've tried
[06:40] <zodiac19> I'm just looking for a place to start learning, Personally I don't have an actuall prefference between python and ruby, but I have a way to test my knowledge and skill in Ruby
[06:41] <zodiac19> right now I know just enough HTML and Css to make a chatango account look pretty :b
[06:43] <valorie> everybody starts from zero
[06:43] <zodiac19> well I'm passed 0, I just need to reach 1% now XD
[06:45] <zodiac19> but I figgured overall using linux would pay off the most while learning to code
[06:46] <zodiac19> more developers on linux IRC's
[06:48] <valorie> I think you're right
[06:48] <valorie> although sysadmins usually deal with all sorts of systems
[07:00] <zodiac19> I really need a book on ruby XD, Google is not as great as I wish it was
[07:04] <zodiac19> anyone have any ruby refference websites or instruction sites?
[08:06] <sheytan> any plans to put 5.7 update soon? :)
[08:12] <acheronuk> sheytan: Xenial?
[09:02] <zodiac19_> since it's quiet, Has anyone ever heard of or met a Developer by the ID of Omegas7?
[09:04] <valorie> not me...
[09:08] <zodiac19_> good to know ^.^
[09:09]  * valorie goes to bed.....
[09:45] <acheronuk> kxmlgui in FW staging - Finished 3 hours ago (took 3 minutes, 48.5 seconds) 
[09:45] <acheronuk> still not published by LP!
 Kick it
 Kick it hard
[10:25] <acheronuk> clivejo: now published at last!
[10:26] <acheronuk> clivejo: sadly the retry every 1hr didn't work, as linode doesn't seem to cache the keyring password for any appreciable time
 Ah
 At least we know :)
[10:39] <yofel> ahoneybun: and how does the cpu usage on linode cause problems? That's a burst of a minute or two, then idle for an hour
[10:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: kdenlive will get updated with apps
[10:41] <yofel> ahoneybun: plasma 5.7 for yakkety is stuck in proposed. We're trying to get it out, but gcc6 is not making that easy
[10:42] <yofel> ahoneybun: can you get the actual error for kio-extras? It will be higher up in the logs - we really need to fix such things
[10:47] <yofel> ahoneybun: but ok, I'll make sure that one core on linode won't be used by jenkins just so we have spare resources for the host
[10:48] <clivejo> was there an alert from Linode?
[10:48] <yofel> maybe, aaron gets those
[10:48] <clivejo> acheronuk and I were using our containers quite hard yesterday as we were backporting frameworks
[10:49] <clivejo> but would only have been spikes
[10:49] <clivejo> its *beeping* fast!
[10:49] <yofel> right, that hardly shows up in zabbix
[10:49] <clivejo> but may have triggered a warning to the sysadmin?
[10:50] <yofel> yes, linode have their own monitoring for the nodes, and I don't know the warning settings
[10:50] <yofel> but even without the CI, anyone building something would trigger that..
[10:50] <clivejo> and the warning is probably just FYI
[10:51] <acheronuk> is there some limit on container cpu usage? as my 4 core @3.4GHz actually seems to compile faster? 
[10:53] <clivejo> yofel: the container I have login for, was that planned for the communal training one?
[10:53] <clivejo> my host name seems to be kde-apps and riks is shiny-rik
[10:53] <yofel> well, linode uses "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz", so *that* might actually be faster
[10:54] <yofel> clivejo: no, I think aaron just named so as you said you wanted to work on apps?
[10:54] <clivejo> oh right
[10:55] <clivejo> yofel: have you a decent internet connection?
[10:55] <yofel> yes
[10:55] <clivejo> up and down?
[10:55] <yofel> 50/10
[10:55] <yofel> well, 10/50
[10:55] <clivejo> for the next dojo, might be useful for someone with a good connection to do the desktop sharing
[10:56]  * acheronuk looks on with envy
[10:56] <clivejo> and just let rik log in remotely
[10:56] <clivejo> Rick even
[10:56] <yofel> hm..... I guess we could try that
[10:57] <clivejo> his internet isnt good enough for desktop sharing, webcam and voice
[10:57] <clivejo> keeps stuttering the audio
[10:58] <clivejo> Rik and I used it last night with him sharing the video and it worked very well
[10:58] <yofel> but yeah, I could share a konsole session that's connected to linode with him also connected to that
[10:58] <clivejo> felt odd talking to myself
[11:00] <acheronuk> I'll get a mic sorted one way or another for the next significant thing we do on BBB
[11:00] <clivejo> please do
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:31] <soee> hiho
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[11:51] <soee> GREEEEN :)
[11:52] <soee> we didn't stage 5.7.3 either for Y or X ?
[11:54] <yofel> no, and won't happen while 5.7.2 is still in yakkety-proposed
[11:57] <yofel> OTOH, that's mostly ok
[12:03] <zodiac19_> more updates?
[12:04] <yofel> there's updates all the time ^^
[12:04] <yofel> with plasma, you have more after a major release as they have a fibonacci based update schedule
[12:04] <zodiac19_> I need more computers to keep up with linux >.<
[12:05] <yofel> bbl
[12:06] <zodiac19_> new foreign question, does anyone here have any experience in game development?
[13:28] <jimarvan> Hi guys! :)
[13:31] <soee> hi2u
[13:31] <zodiac19_> hello, nice to meet you
[13:33] <clivejo> hi Jim
[13:42] <clivejo> hi zodiac19_
[13:42] <clivejo> a programmer huh?
[13:44] <zodiac19_> Sort of lurking to learn
[13:45] <clivejo> what are you interested in learning?
[13:46] <zodiac19_> Coding, programming, development, operating system operations etc.
[13:48] <clivejo> thats a very large subject area
[13:48] <zodiac19_> whatever I can learn here, I will do my best to learn it.
[13:48] <clivejo> do you use Kubuntu?
[13:49] <zodiac19_> I'm learning so I can become a game developer, but eventually I want to build my own operating system
[13:49] <zodiac19_> Ubuntu
[13:49] <clivejo> ambitious! 
[13:50] <zodiac19_> Ironically I learned about it sitting next to a linux developer on an airplane
[13:50] <zodiac19_> I'm nothing but ambition lol, I'm trying to fix ambition into productivity
[13:51] <clivejo> well this channel is about KDE software on Ubuntu, or Kubuntu as we like to call it
[13:51] <clivejo> where the Ubuntu desktop uses Unity, we use KDE's desktop called Plasma
[13:51] <zodiac19_> I know, anything development based related to kubuntu is pretty much the focus of this channel
[13:52] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MtFqkRFwQ
[13:52] <zodiac19_> I figure If I'm going to make an opperating system someday, I'll probably want to be familiar with linux
[13:53] <clivejo> what are your thoughts on Wayland vs Mir?
[13:55] <zodiac19_> uhm... havent learned that much yet :b 
[13:56] <zodiac19_> AUDIO DRAG AND DROP!!!
[13:56] <zodiac19_> *Mind explodes*
[13:56] <zodiac19_> I used to search for hours for something to do that for windows (nothing exists)
[13:58] <zodiac19_> I'm just a beginner developer, I'm working on learning my first language now (Web development not included)
[14:00] <acheronuk> something irks me about that video
[14:00] <clivejo> oh?
[14:01] <zodiac19_> Mono-toned un-naturally familiar comercial format?
[14:01] <zodiac19_> I should invest in a dictionary sometime soon
[14:02] <acheronuk> sounds like they are trying to unenthusiastically flog US real-estate
[14:02]  * acheronuk finds he can type today!
[14:05]  * clivejo cheers!
[14:05] <zodiac19_> Uhmm... which us Real Estate? theres millions, and only a handful are good
[14:06]  * acheronuk kicks LP
[14:07] <acheronuk> clivejo: on BBB, how do you get presenter mode if you are the 1st one in there?
[14:08] <clivejo> PM'ed you :)
[14:10] <acheronuk> TY :)
[14:29] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you want to start on backporting Plasma?
[14:30] <acheronuk> I am sorta half busy for the rest of the day...
[14:31] <clivejo> ok no prob
[14:31] <acheronuk> so maybe later..... but maybe not.....
[14:31] <clivejo> will probably take LP the rest of the day to publish FW
[14:32] <acheronuk> deffo tomorrow, but if you want to push on with it anyway then no probs
[14:32] <acheronuk> LP is being v random!
[15:26]  * ahoneybun finally wakes up
[15:26] <yofel> moin ^^
[15:27] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:31] <acheronuk> ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin
[15:33] <ahoneybun> http://choqok.gnufolks.org/2016/08/choqok-1-6-beta-2-released/
[15:33] <acheronuk> I did to some German/languages, but it got dropped in favour of sciences and maths
[15:33] <ahoneybun> they moved to KF5
[15:34] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I'm on Yakkety
[15:34] <acheronuk> well, qt4 is dead more or less
[15:34] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: \o/
[15:34] <ahoneybun> have all the staging ppas added 
[15:35] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yep, they are what should be landing in YY if the proposed migrations ever gets sorted, so in effect you have what we want to be in YY
[15:36] <ahoneybun> nice
[15:36] <acheronuk> plasma 5.7.2 works nicely here
[15:37] <ahoneybun> so far so good as well
[15:37] <ahoneybun> still getting crashes a few times
[15:38] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: really?, is pretty solid here
[15:38] <ahoneybun> from system settings and korgenger
[15:38] <ahoneybun> or what ever
[15:38] <acheronuk> hmmmm....
[15:38] <acheronuk> not had that
[15:39] <acheronuk> about the worst I get is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362531
[15:39] <ahoneybun> reported this last night: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366486
[15:39] <ahoneybun> fixed already
[15:39] <acheronuk> :D
[15:39] <ahoneybun> simple string fix
[15:40] <ahoneybun> I don't see anything wrong with that screenshot
[15:41] <acheronuk> great thing about open source. report a bug and it can get fixed in mins/hrs sometimes
[15:41] <ahoneybun> sometimes
[15:41] <acheronuk> screenshot?
[15:41] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=98783
[15:44] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: the kicker *should* be semitransparent on any graphics that supports it
[15:45] <ahoneybun> mm still don't see the issue
[15:46] <acheronuk> I'm not that fussed either, but it is a regression. And many will care.
[15:47] <acheronuk> It didn't impede me in any way, but I did want to know why it had changed.
[15:48] <acheronuk> and turns out to be a bug
[15:53] <ahoneybun> weird one
 Oh no...
[16:05] <ahoneybun> ?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VC87RzZQ/file_77.jpg
[16:06] <ahoneybun> .2 gbs left
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ue5VqMNC/file_79.jpg
 That's right after killing that process...
 I'm logging out and back in again
 Let's see if it's reproducible
 Yep...
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Yv6yvBDW/file_81.jpg
[16:11] <ahoneybun> what is that then? not your RAM
 No, baloo_file_extractor...
[16:11] <ahoneybun> the heck
 Ikr
[16:12] <ahoneybun> so that 15GB is swap?
 OMG if you can see in that shot, swap was filling up fast
 Nope, 40 GB of swap
 15 gigs of RAM in this thing
[16:13] <ahoneybun> wow
[16:13] <ahoneybun> must be old DDR2
 No actually DDR3 iirc
[16:13] <ahoneybun> prices must be done
[16:13] <ahoneybun> *down
 And the RAM usage NEVER gets that high
[16:14] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/Gf8q5
 Well I'm using both staging PPAs
[16:15] <ahoneybun> I'm using all 3
 I can't use misc because there is no Yakkety for it
[16:15] <ahoneybun> nope
[16:15] <ahoneybun> kdeapplications, plasma, frameworks
[16:16] <tsimonq2> hmmm
[16:16]  * tsimonq2 adds that last one
[16:18] <tsimonq2> wait no sorry
[16:18] <tsimonq2> I *do* have all three
[16:18] <ahoneybun> lol
[16:18] <tsimonq2> Hit:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks/ubuntu yakkety InRelease
[16:18] <tsimonq2> Hit:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications/ubuntu yakkety InRelease
[16:18] <tsimonq2> Hit:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma/ubuntu yakkety InRelease
[16:21] <ahoneybun> oh hey gpgpmepp
[16:30] <tsimonq2> yofel: fyi fwiw I haven't forgotten about doing git:// -> https:// but I'm struggling a little bit, so I'm taking another look now
[16:49] <soee> :|
[16:50] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYQ4xfjyc
 oh my ogd
 terrible
 He looks more sad then in pain
[17:04] <soee> :/
[17:07] <yofel> that's the shock, the pain comes later
[17:08] <yofel> but right, disappointed for sure :/
[17:55] <clivejo> looks like frameworks has published
[17:55] <clivejo> yofel: can the staging-plasma be kleared?
[17:56]  * ahoneybun is on that
[17:56] <yofel> uh, I don't think anything has changed since you asked me that 2 days ago
[17:59] <ahoneybun> 5.24 clivejo ?
[19:09] <clivejo> ahoneybun: yes, 5.24
[19:09] <clivejo> yofel: was plasma 5.7.2 for YY moved to landing?
[19:10] <tsimonq2> alright, my sed script is running!
[19:10] <yofel> clivejo: dunno, it was uploaded to archive
[19:10] <tsimonq2> it does everything then I can select y/n for whether or not I want to push
[19:10] <tsimonq2> with a git diff and everything
[19:10] <tsimonq2> I'm happy with my result! :D
[19:12] <clivejo> is RM happy with it too?
[19:12] <tsimonq2> RM?
[19:12] <clivejo> Release Manager
[19:12] <tsimonq2> yofel said to script it
[19:13] <tsimonq2> the git:// -> https://
[19:13] <tsimonq2> and I'm manually inspecting it anyways as well before I push
[19:13] <clivejo> what branches are you pushing to?
[19:13] <tsimonq2> kubuntu_unstable
[19:14] <tsimonq2> clivejo: is that a problem?
[19:15] <clivejo> no, just making sure you are aware of what you are doing
[19:15] <tsimonq2> I made sure of it
[19:15] <tsimonq2> I'll push my script to the automation repo when I'm done if I can
[19:16] <yofel> put it into kubuntu-dev-tools instead
[19:16] <yofel> automaiton is for release automation, not random things
[19:16] <tsimonq2> alright then, I'll do that
[19:17] <yofel> automaitionution-thing
[19:17] <tsimonq2> but I'm not done yet :)
[19:23] <clivejo> yofel: FW5.25 is in depot, did you decide if you wanted to do a debian sync?
[19:26] <yofel> no
[19:27] <yofel> or more like.. I don't have a definite plan yet about how that would actually look like
[19:27] <yofel> as we cannot just sync everything
[19:27] <yofel> and then there's the CI
[19:27] <clivejo> at the moment I dont mind working on it
[19:28] <clivejo> so maybe hold off for a while?
[19:28] <yofel> so for that we would still have to put stuff in git, and maintain it ahead of the archive, just to throw it away and overwrite it with debian once they catch up
[19:28] <yofel> if that ever happens
[19:28] <clivejo> debian seem to be getting lot faster with FW
[19:29] <yofel> yes, but that will never work with the CI
[19:29] <clivejo> true
[19:29] <clivejo> any progress on stable builds?
[19:29] <yofel> not this weekend
[19:36] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo: as previously discussed, Standards-version of 3.9.8 isn't appropriate because of Xenial only allowing 3.9.7, but there are some files I'm seeing with 3.9.6. Is it worth it to do a bump to 3.9.7 by just modifying my script, or would that not be good?
[19:38] <yofel> that's a field I personally don't care about, as the ubuntu policy is at 3.8.2+patches. But don't increase it unless the packages are actually 3.9.7 compatible
[19:38] <tsimonq2> right
[19:39] <tsimonq2> yofel: one last thing I've seen that might be good to look at that I saw is the Vcs-* being set to Debian URLs
[19:40] <tsimonq2> yofel: should that be corrected?
[19:40] <yofel> tsimonq2: I should've fixed all of that already, where is that?
[19:41]  * tsimonq2 does a grep
[19:44] <tsimonq2> yofel: lots
[19:44] <yofel> example?
[19:44] <tsimonq2> $ grep -R "Vcs-Git: https://anonscm.debian.org" | pastebinit
[19:44] <tsimonq2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22611651/
[19:44] <tsimonq2> that's all of them
[19:45] <tsimonq2> yofel: little bit more than a couple, and that's just for Vcs-Git
[19:45] <yofel> tsimonq2: are you *sure* that you're on kubuntu_unstable for all of these?
[19:45] <yofel> because analitza is not debian
[19:46]  * tsimonq2 checks that
[19:46] <clivejo> ditto ^
[19:46] <clivejo> messagelib is LP
[19:46] <yofel> libkgeomap is wrong though
[19:46] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/messagelib/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable
[19:46] <tsimonq2> yeah I'm sorry, not all on kubutnu_unstabl
[19:46] <yofel> so all of the new ones should be reviewed for this
[20:00] <tsimonq2> yofel: there, smaller list, sorry about that :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/22613437/
[20:04] <yofel> tsimonq2: yeah, that sounds about right, and yes, please fix
[20:05] <tsimonq2> alright
[20:05] <tsimonq2> I'm on it
[20:09] <tsimonq2> yofel: what do I do for repos that don't have kubuntu_unstable branches?\
[20:10] <tsimonq2> yofel: what branch do I modify?
[20:16] <yofel> tsimonq2: kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[20:19] <tsimonq2> thanks
[20:41] <tsimonq2> yofel: done, corrected
[20:43] <yofel> thanks
[20:50] <clivejo> yofel: what was the reason for this - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=a537dec6c3b6787a095dcb51d8792ad35e3345cf
[20:51] <clivejo> the autotests thing?
[20:53] <yofel> clivejo: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/amd64/p/plasma-workspace/20160805_193107@/log.gz
[20:53] <yofel> look for "test testsuite"
[20:54] <clivejo> FAIL timed out
[20:55] <yofel> I *think* it's waiting for a live plasma session to respond to a dbus call? Couldn't quite figure it out
[20:55] <yofel> I don't have a working autopktest testbed to debug that
[20:57] <clivejo> also with plasma 5.7.2 being released to yakkety the kubuntu-batch-backport-git wont work
[20:57] <clivejo> needs an UNRELEASED entry
[20:57] <tsimonq2> yofel: what package is that?
[20:57] <yofel> plasma-workspace
[20:57] <yofel> clivejo: hm... true, that's annoying :/
[20:57] <yofel> what to do...
[20:59] <tsimonq2> yofel: on linode, ERROR: no permission to write /dev/kvm ?
[20:59] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:59] <yofel> clivejo: comment out lines 37-39 in git-buildpackage-ppa and try again
[21:01] <yofel> tsimonq2: what exactly are you trying to do?
[21:01] <clivejo> yofel: thanks
[21:01] <yofel> clivejo: we should probably make that an option, as that will come up again
[21:02] <tsimonq2> yofel: seeing if I had the ability to set up an autopkgtest bed on linode
[21:07] <yofel> Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory
[21:07] <yofel> even on the host o.O
[21:09] <zodiac19_> anyone know any game development/recreational programing channels?
[21:09] <valorie> zodiac19_: did you see my note about alis last night?
[21:09] <valorie> !alis
[21:10] <valorie> also you might check in #kde-edu and #kde-games (I think)
[21:11] <valorie> but let's take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:11] <clivejo> zodiac19_: do you want to learn how to package .deb's?
[21:17] <zodiac19_> I will eventually, First I need to know how to make a program. and I saw it, I'm looking for recomendations to hopefully enter a friendly channel
[21:18] <valorie> ? coding doesn't have to come first
[21:18] <valorie> and packaging will help you learn about how a program is put together
[21:18] <tsimonq2> yofel: where was that autopkgtest failure?
[21:18] <tsimonq2> (which PPA?)
[21:18] <valorie> which is practical information you won't often get even in programming classes
[21:19] <yofel> tsimonq2: that was not from a PPA, but from http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/plasma-workspace/yakkety/amd64/
[21:19] <acheronuk> evening :D (quick visit as I have to scoot off again in 5/10)
[21:19] <yofel> o/
[21:20] <tsimonq2> o/ acheronuk 
[21:20] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright
[21:20] <zodiac19_> I'd rather it did, Once I finish learning my first language I'll go into packaging befor my seccond language. If i stop learning a alanguage now I'll end up starting over again
[21:21] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: you ever hear the saying, "code to learn, don't learn to code" ? ;)
[21:21] <zodiac19_> no...
[21:21] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: you'll learn a lot more when trying to accomplish something then when doing it just to learn the language
[21:22] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: when trying to accomplish an end product, that is
[21:22] <acheronuk> I've learnt bit and bobs of quite a few languages over the years. Basically what I needed to do the job at hand.
[21:22] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: so you can try to learn how to code, but I recommend packaging because the people here are friendly enough to help you code to learn
[21:23] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: and packaging isn't all pure coding either :)
[21:23] <acheronuk> means I have a smattering of quite a lot, but not any sort of master at anything :/
[21:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: but that's what you had to do for the job at hand, right?
[21:24] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: and you did it well?
[21:24] <zodiac19_> Well my endgame with ruby is learning enough to begin scripting in rgss3, a sub-language used in the RPG maker series
[21:24] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I got what need to be done, done, yes.
[21:24] <zodiac19_> (i probably mis-used sub language...)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: let me be more specific, you could learn how to code just for the sake of wanting to learn how to code in a specific (sub-)propgramming language
[21:25] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: but I would encourage you to dive in, and ask questions when you get stuck
[21:25] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: pick something to do and start it :)
[21:26] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: just if someone asks do you know x, y, z language, all I can answer is 'a little'
[21:27] <zodiac19_> but before I just dive right in and begin coding, i need to know all the basics before I try anything
[21:27] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: yes you need to know the basics, but imho the best way you can do something specific is to just do it :)
[21:28] <tsimonq2> don't aim to learn the whole language first
[21:28] <zodiac19_> besides I don't plan to dwell on just rgss3, I also plan on using unity and other development tools for other various purposes. and I wouldn't yet know where to start looking for the information I need to begin what I aim on doing.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> well what do you want to work with?
[21:31] <zodiac19_> I use a program called RPG Maker VX Ace, and MV (MV uses java script).
[21:31] <zodiac19_> I want to start planning and working on making an automatic Day/night script that changes screen tint, time variables, and time based events smoothly.
[21:31] <valorie> zodiac19_: you might want to inspect the code of redshift then
[21:31] <valorie> !info redshift
[21:32] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:32] <valorie> it isn't working very well for me right now
[21:32] <tsimonq2> zodiac19_: you can grab the code with this command: apt source redshift
[21:32] <zodiac19_> well more specifically the game visual screen, not the actual full screen itself
[21:32] <valorie> keeps changing the color erratically
[21:32] <tsimonq2> (the code that's in the Ubuntu archive)
[21:32] <tsimonq2> oic
[21:33] <valorie> the code might be interesting to you anyway
[21:33] <tsimonq2> agreed
[21:35] <zodiac19_> http://i.imgur.com/bJ1SQTD.png
[21:35] <zodiac19_> instead of using the programs eventing system (Drag'n'drop) for hours to get limited coding resources to do larger functions
[21:36] <zodiac19_> besides that I need to figure out how to make a lighting script that doesnt use image based resources to create specific tinting effects.
[21:51] <zodiac19_> but if anyone here would also like to take on the challenge of learning RGSS3 with me they are more than welcome!
[21:51] <valorie> zodiac19_: you might also check out the Gluon project, which is a game-building engine
[21:52] <zodiac19_> that sounds like an apt reccomendation, thank you
[21:54] <zodiac19_> aha, java, number 3 on my list of languages to learn, I look forward to getting a hold of an old runescape client and experimenting :DD
[21:58] <zodiac19_> Is there a coffee room sort of channel for kubuntu?
[21:58] <valorie> zodiac19_: #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:59] <zodiac19_> aha, that would probably be a more appropriate location for my topics :]
[23:17] <ahoneybun> anyone around today?
 o/
[23:18] <clivejo> almost