[05:04] <Bashing-om> A pause for the cause - my eyes are crossing . G Nite .
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:23] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje - how are you?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse im fine mate tnx
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: did you read the snap find article?
[07:24] <ducasse> yes, i did. surprised it got that much attention.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah thought the same :p
[07:25] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje ducasse
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap find . it is
[07:25] <ducasse> morning, OerHeks
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[07:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: as the article says, that will only list 100 snaps, not all
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> ah
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> well i missing the same in software store on ubuntu-touch aswell
[07:26] <ducasse> i don't think it's right of canonical to say "write your own tool for this"
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> * gives the last 100 apps aswell, not all
[07:27] <OerHeks> man i can write tons of such articles, with our chats as basis
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:27] <ducasse> :)
[07:27] <OerHeks> .. but no credit :-(
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> perhaps there's a spy in here, writing stuff based on our conversations :p
[07:27] <ducasse> <_<
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> [SpyB0t]
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> hi baizon
[07:28] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[07:29] <OerHeks> ducasse, did you check out uappexplorer-cli ?
[07:29] <ducasse> not yet, i just looked at the website.
[07:30] <OerHeks> oh, and this dude didn't mention you experience the search issue in proposed ??
[07:30] <OerHeks> i can write 2x as much articles that way
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !info snapd
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: got the same issue on this version aswell, in main
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ snap find
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> error: cannot list snaps: empty query
[07:34] <OerHeks> oh right
[07:34] <ducasse> there should be a "snap show", there is obviously more metadata "snap find" doesn't list.
[07:35] <OerHeks> but there was a difference between stable and proposed
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> think it recently updated
[07:35] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that is the version from proposed
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> im not on proposed
[07:36] <OerHeks> me neither
[07:36] <ducasse> no, it has migrated to updates
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:37] <ducasse> odd it went through that quickly...
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/snapd-2-11-released-new-features
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so it wasnt a unity thing afterall
[07:39] <ducasse> nope :)
[07:40] <ducasse> libreoffice? not available yet, it seems...
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how that works on the m10 tablet with libreoffice
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-bq-aquaris-m10-tablet/
[07:46] <ducasse> 11 "hello world" snaps - is that really necessary? In addition there are a bunch of test snaps.
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:47] <OerHeks> get them all!
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> http://snapcraft.io/
[08:03] <ducasse> interesting tablet article, lotuspsychje - have you tried the tablet yourself?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: not yet, i still have the nexus7 with touch
[08:04] <ducasse> it's a bit pricey, but looks promising. too bad there aren't other interfaces, though ;)
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> im actually hoping they will find a way to install touch on 'any' device
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> that would make it interesting
[08:05] <ducasse> like any android phone?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> i hear next OTA will bring android support
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-13-delayed-for-september-7-to-bring-android-6-0-bsp-support-507029.shtml
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> thrilling news :p
[08:11] <baizon> yay, skype is dead :D
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:13] <baizon> the last person i talked to that used skype finally switched to google, so no need for skype. I can finally remove it from my pc
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> oh they hacked iranian telegram accounts recently
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> opensource and safety needs a new lookup
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> baizon: have you tried this yet? https://ring.cx/
[08:18] <baizon> nope
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[08:21] <ducasse> looks interesting
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:22] <ducasse> ofc useless if nobody switches to it :)
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> thats always the problem
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> the big masses always stick of whats known/popular
[08:24] <ducasse> i've got to try this one, and convince a couple of others to install it. that's the hard part.
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> nobody cares of security for the ease of whatsapp, snapchat, fb chat etc
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> individuality narrow blindness
[08:25] <ducasse> my mother keeps insisting i use fb chat to send her messages, i keep refusing :)
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> same here i dont throw out personal data out there
[08:31] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: what do they mean by "vivid overlay" on the ota13 article? has ubuntu touch only got packages from the vivid repos?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no the ubuntu touch image is still based on 15.04 but that doesnt mean its eol
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: works in another way then ubuntu desktop
[08:33] <ducasse> i see. so it gets newer packages?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: packages are linked to the ubuntu software app store and all are available
[08:34] <ducasse> get it, thx :)
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but im bit unsure how thats linked to snap and apt-get
[08:34] <ducasse> the nexus devices can run touch, right? is a nexus 5 powerful enough?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> yes
[08:34] <OerHeks> lets count to 10 for the next ban in #ubuntu
[08:35] <ducasse> i friend has one for sale..
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: check !devices in #ubuntu-touch
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> not sure everything works on n5
[08:36] <ducasse> thanks, i will.
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> but its surely installable
[08:37] <ducasse> it would be fun to play with, i want a phone with a full emacs :)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i use it as my daily driver
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: just keep in mind, you cant install packages the terminal way like ubuntu desktop
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: for that you have to unlock phone dir, and updates wont work anymore
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: for safety they built it this way, only apps from the store can be installed
[08:39] <ducasse> aha, i see. you can only install what's available through the store without doing that?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> yes
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> i wanted this feature ate the start also, so i could install lets say nmap the terminal way..
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> but no luck :p
[08:40] <ducasse> snaps will probably fix that at some point, give a better selection.
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah unity8 will bring whole other insights
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> i would rather have wanted a honeypot enviroment where we could safely experiment
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> install stuff our own way..
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> perhaps someday :p
[08:44] <ducasse> honeypot - do you mean sandbox?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah sandbox
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-14-04-5-lts-is-the-last-in-the-series-brings-xenial-xerus-linux-kernel-507019.shtml
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> http://windowsreport.com/windows-10-anniversary-update-deleting-linux-partitions/
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> nice find popey
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> ms loves linux!
[09:00] <OerHeks> ms changed to block unsigned drivers too.
[09:00] <OerHeks> that might be related too.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah throw out everything thats not genuine :p
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> that sounds very ms
[09:02] <OerHeks> this is pure vendor-lock-in
[09:22] <baizon> ofc, thats microsoft
[09:22] <baizon> they are full of crap
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:23] <baizon> thank god im windows free since 2014
[09:24]  * lotuspsychje celebrates too
[09:24]  * OerHeks got a sealed windows 95.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys lunchtime
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:34] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj, all well?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, just fine thanks , and you?
[11:35] <ducasse> good, thanks. having a quiet day :)
[11:51] <\9> i was wondering when would microsoft start actively deleting linux partitions
[11:51] <\9> i never trusted windows not to do that
[11:56] <ducasse> are these just a few isolated cases, or more widespread?
[11:57] <OerHeks> i have no confirmation yet.
[11:57] <OerHeks> but odly enough upgrade booting isues
[12:32] <BluesKaj> \9  installing any OS will erase partitions if you use the auto-installer
[12:34] <\9> maybe, but not when updating
[12:36] <BluesKaj> well updating winows or any OS won't erase partitions
[12:36] <BluesKaj> windows even
[12:37] <BluesKaj> installing windows after linux usually just removes grub
[12:37] <ducasse> aiui this was on upgrade, not fresh install
[12:37] <OerHeks> things went bad when they shutdown flightsimulator.
[12:39] <\9> BluesKaj: at least until now
[12:40] <BluesKaj> uefi is a different story i guess. I'm not up to date on that mess
[12:44] <DJones> There have been a couple of updates latelt affecting secureboot and uefi, not tried to see how they affect the windows updates
[12:49] <OerHeks> catched this from ##linux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4wfgyg/psa_regarding_dualboot_windows_10_anniversary/
[12:50] <DJones> There was a user in #ubuntu-ukthat lost pretty much everything
[12:51] <DJones> Had to use photorec to recover files
[12:58] <BluesKaj> never seen windows wipe a drive that has extfs, it doesn't recognize them
[15:34] <Bashing-om> Restarting IRC client . brb .
[16:21] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Question, in the Xorg.0.log file is " (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Deleting GPU-0 " . Is this significant of a problem ? As we have " NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GM107-A) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)" found and loaded .
[16:22] <OerHeks> oh from waddup?
[16:22] <OerHeks> i take a look
[16:23] <daftykins> sure is
[16:23] <daftykins> though usually it's just in the log of getting unloaded then re-added
[16:24] <OerHeks> idd indeed
[16:24] <OerHeks> log daftykins >> http://pastebin.com/raw/18WHjBJ9
[16:25] <OerHeks> these lines see it proper 1494.606] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Found DRM driver nvidia-drm (20150116)
[16:25] <OerHeks> [  1494.607] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GM107-A) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
[16:25] <OerHeks> and later on indeed deleting GPU-0
[16:25] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Yeah that one .. daftykins What gets me is that the " Deleting GPU-0 " os the final entry in the log .. and no explanation of what is going on .
[16:26] <OerHeks> i have seen this once, with ati, the solution was to reset the monitor itself, to vendor defaults with its own menu buttons
[16:26] <daftykins> what was the user's original problem report?
 Bashing-om:  when I login sometimes the dash and menubar get all glitched up like this: https://img42.com/ihyP2+  If I click anything in the glitched area it suddenly looks normal. How can I troubleshoot this?
[16:28] <daftykins> hmm link doesn't work for me, guy must've deleted already perhaps?
[16:28] <daftykins> that nick seems like a trolly kind
[16:29] <daftykins> is it possible it's an old log?
[16:32] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Link works for me http://pastebin.com/raw/18WHjBJ9 ??
[16:34] <OerHeks> how would i de-ban you in #ubuntu ?
[16:34]  * OerHeks is ready for trouble in paradise
[16:38] <Bashing-om> A lot of the fun in the channel departed when daftykins failed to re-join .
[16:40] <OerHeks> true, the ban is surely with reason, but this is a woppyfloppysloppydoppy
[16:41] <OerHeks> oh, my wordfilter pops in :-D
[16:41] <OerHeks> i cannot call daftykins woppyfloppysloppydoppy anymore
[16:47] <Bashing-om> Life's little disappointments ^ !
[16:48] <daftykins> :) you're too kind!
[16:48] <daftykins> do we mean the fun of the people that trolled me, though? ;)
[16:52] <OerHeks> tons of them, people that are lonely, daftykins
[16:59] <daftykins> hehe
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Good help has arrived ! Hiya lotus !
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> i see you already gathering cookies in main Bashing-om :p
[19:35] <Bashing-om> Oh .. just earming my avitar .. letting the system bash me around .
[19:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: IRT your wallpaper, thought more of this last night .. When you changed .. did you run ' update-desktop-database ' . I do not know how this applies in systemd !
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> no?
[19:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: My notes says " for the change to take effect." .
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ update-desktop-database
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> The databases in [/usr/share/ubuntu/applications, /usr/share/gnome/applications, /usr/local/share/applications, /usr/share/applications, /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications] could not be updated.
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> sudo?
[19:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I know nothing ! .. upstart to systemd ??/ I do not know ??
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: think sudo worked
[19:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well .. maybe then some progress .. I am leary as can be in respect to commands/scripts that were upstart .. in the systemd environment .
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> brb testing wallpaper
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: didnt work that way
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tried moving the logo folder to other dir also
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> its so weird, it never acted that way before
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: changing to a background of default /usr/share/backgrounds is working
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: but if i choose logo.svg on a colored background it goes back to the old logo
[20:31] <dax> lotuspsychje: "samsung 850 pro" is your SSD, right?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> dax: yes sir
[20:31] <dax> lotuspsychje: how do you like it? i'm in the market and they're priced well right now
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> dax: i recommended it strongly
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: 10 years warranty and unbreakable
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: they mostly use this for servers, and i rather like it for desktop aswell
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> dax: 128gig and 256gig are affordable too
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> i bought 10 of them for my business
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl sleeping time
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> nite nite to all
[21:35] <Bashing-om> thunderstorms .. shutting down .
[22:03] <dax> !binarydriver
[22:03] <dax> !amd
[22:03] <dax> !fglrxmissing
[22:03] <dax> fyi ^