[21:47] <k1l_> cantstanya> Have idiots bothered inappropriately asking about Umbongo on Windows here yet?
[21:48] <ikonia> just an idiot comment
[21:48] <ikonia> no discussion needed
[21:48] <k1l_> a known troll. bantracker is full of him
[21:52] <dax> reminds me, i was going to factoid about AMD
[21:52] <dax> !search amd
[21:52] <dax> !search ati
[21:52] <dax> uh
[21:53] <cantstanya> hi k1l_ is mad and I'm curious why they're taking it out on me.
[21:55] <cantstanya> cf.: http://sprunge.us/WGDH / http://sprunge.us/RYfU
[21:56] <cantstanya> Did they have a bad day or something?
[21:57] <cantstanya> Are they jelly of my belly?
[21:57] <cantstanya> I donut diet.
[21:59] <dax> !no, amd is <reply> Open source driver for AMD cards: amdgpu (new cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed source drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2) fglrx (older cards, only available before Ubuntu 16.04). For information on GCN compatibility and other details, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units . For fglrx info, see
[21:59] <dax> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[21:59] <dax> ugh
[21:59] <dax> !no, amd is <reply> Open driver for AMD cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2) fglrx (older cards, unsupported by AMD in 16.04+). For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units . For fglrx info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[21:59] <dax> !amd
[22:00] <dax> !no, ati is <alias> amd
[22:00] <dax> !no, ayymd is <alias> amd
[22:00] <dax> !no, fglrx is <alias> amd
[22:01] <dax> !-binarydriver
[22:02] <cantstanya> Just being thrown under the bus now huh
[22:03] <dax> !no, binarydriver is <reply> For nvidia and matrox graphics cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto . For AMD/ATI graphics cards, see « /msg ubottu ati » and « /msg ubottu fglrxmissing »
[22:09] <ikonia> dax: maybe the nvidia/amd whole thing could do with an update and better split, including the old wiki pages
[22:09] <ikonia> something thats needed for a long time, maybe the amd changes would be a good time to do that
[22:12] <dax> wiki gives me a headache, i'll leave that to someone else
[22:12] <dax> i just split off amd on the factoid side of things, if someone who knows anything about nvidia wants to do the same for them, it'd be a good idea indeed
[22:12] <ikonia> yes, me too, more so when people who really don't understand it just edit it with "WFM" type comments
[22:12] <dax> (and really, when was the last time someone asked about matrox :D)
[22:13] <ikonia> I'll have a ponder about this as I did a load of work on nvidia a long time ago (2009 ?) and 3 months later people had just filled it with junk and wrong info
[22:13] <ikonia> it's why I keep thinking we should maintain something on the ubottu site in terms of info
[22:13] <dax> and i don't know ubuntu well enough to add instructions to it for amdgpu-pro, unfortunately
[22:14] <ikonia> I'd put more effort into the docs again if it wasn't free for people to then wreck with bad info
[22:14] <dax> since "get from AMD's site and compile stuff from source as needed" isn't really Ubuntu-y
[22:14] <dax> there's probably a PPA somewhere, idk
[22:14] <ikonia> I'm sure we could do something clean with the amdgpu stuff
[22:14] <dax> honestly someone needs to make a website where you put in your graphics card and your Linux distro+version and it tells you wtf to do
[22:15] <dax> anyways, i'll be back later, just got new storage and going to reinstall
[22:16] <ikonia> excellent
[22:16] <valorie> cantstanya: I've read your links, and see no reason to change your status
[22:16] <ikonia> oh, is he still here
[22:16] <valorie> k1l_ has nothing personal against you
[22:16] <cantstanya> wow rude ikonia
[22:16] <valorie> k1l_ has nothing personal against you
[22:16] <valorie> now, please leave
[22:17] <k1l_> valorie: thanks. but that is a known troll and i am done waisting time to be part of his trolling games.
[22:18] <valorie> right
[22:18] <k1l_> has 22 bantracker entries since 2014.
[22:18] <ikonia> can someone just ban him in #ubuntu-irc
[22:19] <ikonia> thanks k1l_
[22:34] <ikonia> it's sad that so many people (rightly) quote and reference the archlinux wiki to help people with ubuntu, as its so much better and better maintained than the ubuntu wikis
[22:35] <k1l_> yeah. we have a really really good german ubuntu wiki. and i never understood why the main wiki didnt increase
[22:36] <k1l_> like this (random article) https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Festplattenstatus/
[22:37] <ikonia> so the german wiki is a good one then, thats interesting
[22:37]  * valorie gave up working on the wiki long ago
[22:38] <ikonia> as did I
[22:38] <valorie> login is so chancy
[22:38] <valorie> and changes often are never saved properly
[22:38] <valorie> not worth the work
[22:38] <valorie> moin moin is just.....
[22:38] <k1l_> yes, somehow the german linux community grouped around the ubuntuusers page and formed that wikipages. but i guess main reason was a active team maintaining that.