[05:50] <Squirm> Morning
[06:14] <magespawn> good morning
[07:16] <Squirm> Hey magespawn
[08:07] <Kilos> .
[08:21] <magespawn> howdy Squirm 
[08:21] <magespawn> mornign Kilos 
[08:21] <magespawn> morning too
[08:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:22] <paddatrapper> Morning magespawn, Kilos, Squirm, everyone 
[09:22] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[11:03] <jerit> suuuuuuuup
[11:32] <d`_`b> jerit: the sky, then space, after that it is all relative.
[11:33] <jerit> lol
[11:34] <d`_`b> with u?
[11:36] <jerit> all's good I guess
[11:37] <jerit> currently agonizing about whether or not to develop my eCommerce site as a web service to client app or just a website that accesses the data directly
[11:39]  * theblazehen runs a tcpdump on my Android phone
[11:40]  * theblazehen wonders if it's easier to port sailfish os or Ubuntu touch 
[11:43] <jerit> theblazehen: got any ideas about how I can improve the performance of my phone? Its a vodafone smart 4 mini but I can barely use the damn thing because its so slow
[11:43] <jerit> running android jellybean I believe
[11:43] <theblazehen> jerit: original os
[11:43] <theblazehen> ?
[11:43] <theblazehen> Samsung is way too aggressive with zram
[11:43] <jerit> not factory original but officially updated
[11:43] <theblazehen> Try an aosp rom or cyanogenmod 
[11:44] <theblazehen> I swear my note 2 on cm performs better than my note 4 on Samsung's rom
[11:45] <theblazehen> I mean.. I can barely run gentoo in a chroot.. and yet on my note 2 I could even do a make -j8 without issues
[11:45] <jerit> I have no clue how to do any of this stuff and I'm terrified to try in case I brick the phone. Can't get a new one
[11:45] <theblazehen> At bootup due to the zram stuff I now have like 400 MB ram free 
[11:45] <theblazehen> It's *really* hard to brick a phone 
[11:46] <theblazehen> Hell, I even recovered from a wiped PIT before (basically the MBR)
[11:47] <theblazehen> Unless you boot to the bootloader, tell Heimdall to allow you to write to the important stuff, boot back into the os or recovery, get a root shell and wipe out everything, you'll be fine 
[11:47] <theblazehen> And for like R100 you can even recover from that 
[11:50] <theblazehen> I mean.. I've got an octacore processor, and 3 GB RAM, yet my old dual core phone with 2GB ram was faster..
[11:55] <Sicelo> theblazehen: i would think sailfish should be easier
[11:56] <Sicelo> for porting, that is
[11:56] <jerit> on my income currently, R100 is a lot
[11:56] <theblazehen> Sicelo: sure hope so. And sailfish is better too. Based on mer 
[11:57] <theblazehen> Although ubuntu is also on mer for some stuff, but they use Mir for display instead of Wayland 
[11:57] <Sicelo> which has its roots in maemo ;)
[11:57] <theblazehen> Sicelo: why I really want it :) also, neo900.org
[11:57] <theblazehen> jerit: do you have an old computer?
[11:57] <theblazehen> With a serial cable?
[11:57] <jerit> nope
[11:58] <jerit> gave away all the old stuff
[11:58] <theblazehen> Hmm. Does your new one have headers for it?
[11:58] <jerit> headers for what?
[11:58] <theblazehen> Well, either way. You're not bricking it by accident. You have to try _really_ hard..
[11:58] <theblazehen> Serial connection 
[11:59] <theblazehen> I mean, at no point during the process of putting a custom ROM on do you get a chance to destroy things
[11:59] <theblazehen> And unless you actually try and read up on how it works and how to brick it, you're not gonna be doing that
[12:00] <theblazehen> Only phone I maybe bricked is when I was trying to get GNU/Linux (and not in a chroot) running on old phone with broken display 
[12:00] <theblazehen> And was trying to use uboot for bootloader instead of Samsung one 
[12:01] <theblazehen> Because it could do usb gadget serial instead of TTL serial 
[12:01] <Sicelo> ~
[12:02] <magespawn> you can get a serial to usb converter
[12:02] <theblazehen> magespawn: I know
[12:02] <theblazehen> But then I'd need to get one 
[12:02] <theblazehen> And wire it up
[12:03] <theblazehen> Hell, I have a physical serial port
[12:03] <Sicelo> if you have old nokia pop port cable ... it's a proper usb to serial ... free
[12:03] <theblazehen> I just need to attach it to the phones micro usb
[12:03] <theblazehen> Sicelo: 5v or 3.3v?
[12:04] <Sicelo> 5, iirc
[12:04] <theblazehen> Yeah. Bad idea then. 
[12:04] <theblazehen> Phones serial normally 3.3V
[12:04] <Sicelo> it's got that pl2032 chip.. or such name
[12:04] <theblazehen> But iirc you can step the voltage down
[12:04] <theblazehen> You got some resistors?
[12:06] <theblazehen> But yeah. It took like hours of looking for shit before I got to a point where it would let me have the kind of access that would need a serial port to fix
[12:19] <Sicelo> theblazehen: you use android kernel or standard kernel on the phones?
[12:20] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Well, I use the cm kernel
[12:21] <theblazehen> But people say "No you can't run normal linux kernel on android phones" and I didn't need wifi, display etc working, so I was like "Watch me.. Challenge accepted"
[12:21] <theblazehen> I'm always like that...
[12:21] <theblazehen> lxd image not quite right?
[12:22] <theblazehen> Guess I better configure jenkins to build them, another container to run as a simplestreams server, and have it integrate into my gitlab
[12:22] <theblazehen> Docker image not right? Guess I'm installing gitlab, setting up the CI thing, have it build docker images and push to an internal registry
[12:22] <theblazehen> On my sever network I've got 27 dhcp leases configured
[12:23] <theblazehen> ot joking
[12:23] <Sicelo> few people understand embedded, lol, and therefore reach crazy conclusions
[12:23] <theblazehen> s/(.*)/n\1/
[12:23] <theblazehen> yeah
[12:24] <Sicelo> you're in it for fun, or?
[12:27] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Yeah
[12:31] <jerit> waar's oom Kilos?
[12:31] <magespawn> from where i am sitting very few people understand anything about technology
[12:31] <Kilos> hi jerit 
[12:31] <Kilos> hows things
[12:33] <jerit> doing okay, you?
[12:34] <jerit> my mom just showed me pics of 6 week old puppies who were rescued but they have demodectic mange... How do you neglect a 6 week puppy enough that it gets mange :(
[12:34] <Kilos> ok ty, im busy trying to revive locos in bangladesh india and pakistan and help sheep give birth to twin lambs and feed them so i get quiet here at times
[12:35] <Kilos> ivomec injection under skin cures mange in weeks
[12:35] <Kilos> 1 injection only
[12:35] <magespawn> just by ignoring them?
[12:36] <magespawn> there are also shampoos etc that can cure that
[12:37] <magespawn> my son got in once
[12:37] <Kilos> shampoos cost lots and rarely cure it poperly
[12:37] <Kilos> your son
[12:37] <Kilos> ?
[12:37] <Kilos> from playing with dogs
[12:38] <magespawn> yes my son, not sure he came home form school with it
[12:40] <magespawn> might have been from the farm animals that he was around
[12:40] <Kilos> wow
[12:41] <Kilos> on peeps id use shampoos yes but vets are very costly and ivomec does the job better and cheaper than shampoos
[12:46] <Kilos> yay choqok has been updated
[12:48] <magespawn> for people there is a spray in a can tha works well
[12:48] <magespawn> forget what it is called though
[13:12] <magespawn> chat later all
[13:27] <d`_`b> jerit: depends what your datasource is going to be. What you going to sell?
[13:27] <jerit> d`_`b: I'm a tarsus distributor so will be selling anything that they distribute
[13:28] <jerit> consumables, computers, components, printers and such
[13:29] <jerit> Also I'm a distributor for a number of other places so might want to make some distinction there
[13:42] <ra1v3n> Helo
[14:01] <jerit> hi ra1v3n 
[14:01] <jerit> wow that only took 20 minutes
[14:03] <ra1v3n> hi
[14:05] <jerit> ugh I hate when Tor randomly closes and then I have to restart it :/
[14:07] <ra1v3n> lol
[14:07] <jerit> problem is I now know how to search the deep web and get around but I have nothing to search for
[14:08] <ra1v3n> lol
[14:08] <ra1v3n> The deep web is actually rather boring
[14:08] <jerit> confusing as well
[14:09] <jerit> I was searching ahmia for free vpn and clicked on a link that said "[Hide.me] Free VPN"
[14:09] <jerit> thought hey this is just what I'm looking for. Click
[14:09] <jerit> All over the screen "boy love messaging forums" O_o
[14:10] <ra1v3n> lmao
[14:10] <ra1v3n> why did you click that!
[14:10] <jerit> it said free vpn
[14:10] <ra1v3n> lol
[14:10] <ra1v3n> NOTHING on the net is FREE
[14:11] <jerit> sure it is, free blog @ wordpress.com
[14:11] <jerit> facebook is free, twitter, instagram, snapchat
[14:11] <ra1v3n> as a rule I dont click on links with that word
[14:11] <jerit> youtube is free and even pays people
[14:11] <ra1v3n> lol ..... yes but there you are the product
[14:11] <ra1v3n> again NOT free
[14:17] <jerit> anyways you been enjoying your weekend?
[14:17] <ra1v3n> not really
[14:18] <jerit> spent it working or with family then? :P
[14:20] <theblazehen> jerit: You mean tor browser?
[14:20] <jerit> ya
[14:20] <ra1v3n> both!
[14:20] <ra1v3n> I need a vacation
[14:20] <theblazehen> I pass around 100 TB or so I think through tor, no issues with it ever crashing
[14:21] <jerit> the hell is a vacation? This word is foreign to me lol
[14:21] <theblazehen> per month that is
[14:22] <jerit> I'm just getting started with it. Still learning the ins and outs of the deep web
[14:22] <theblazehen> Hmm, remembered wrong. And cut it in half, as I was counting data transfer, not tor transfer 
[14:22] <jerit> was hoping I'd find more programming/hacking info like tutorials, courses, etc but to be honest I've not been looking that hard and I have little inclination to dedicate the time
[14:22] <theblazehen> So 25 TB / month
[14:23] <theblazehen> jerit: You want some interesting things in that space?
[14:23] <theblazehen> Look at i2c for some cool concepts
[14:23] <jerit> sure, send in query
[14:50] <ra1v3n> bbl
[16:36] <inetpro> goeie more
[16:36] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[16:37] <Kilos> goofness gracious me
[16:37] <Kilos> hello inetpro where were you
[16:37] <Kilos> goodness as well
[16:37] <inetpro> what?
[16:37] <inetpro> why?
[16:37] <Kilos> what why
[16:37]  * inetpro was here 
[16:38] <Kilos> nono
[16:38] <Kilos> you were gone for days
[16:38] <inetpro> ok
[16:38]  * inetpro was here but was not here
[16:38] <Kilos> lol
[16:38] <inetpro> sorry oom
[16:38] <Kilos> where was the not here you
[16:39] <Kilos> everything ok inetpro 
[16:39] <inetpro> all good thank you
[16:39] <inetpro> en daar?
[16:39] <inetpro> what di I miss?
[16:39] <inetpro> did*
[16:39] <Kilos> ook goet dankie
[16:39] <Kilos> not much i think
[16:39] <Kilos> oh yes
[16:40]  * inetpro not going to scroll
[16:40] <Kilos> paddatrapper did this https://code.launchpad.net/~krobbertze/ibidnext/+git/ibidnext
[16:41] <Kilos> and https://launchpad.net/ibidnext
[16:41] <inetpro> sounds interesting... will check when I have time
[16:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: The first link no longer is cirrect, https://launchpad.net/ibidnext is the correct one
[16:42] <paddatrapper> s/cirrect/correct
[16:42] <inetpro> anything that changed paddatrapper?
[16:42] <Kilos> now we hoping to pull in fly and weed so its just the old ibid upgrade once rewritten
[16:42] <Kilos> tell him everything paddatrapper 
[16:42] <Kilos> ohi superfly wb
[16:43] <paddatrapper> inetpro: Well it now runs on distros released this decade
[16:43] <Kilos> and it uses ddg inetpro 
[16:43] <inetpro> ddg?
[16:44] <Kilos> duckduckgo
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe
[16:44] <inetpro> oh my
[16:44] <Kilos> i ran one here on lappy
[16:44] <paddatrapper> The aim is to move to python 3 and fix the niggles like searching (ddg), changeable gender pronouns, etc
[16:44] <Kilos> but it still has to be done in venv thing
[16:45] <paddatrapper> No deb package yet
[16:45] <Kilos> yes she must be a she with panties not jockeys
[16:45] <inetpro> ok
[16:45] <Kilos> inetpro 
[16:45] <Kilos> hehe
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: are we getting warmer weather again?
[16:46] <Kilos> if you get involved your karma will rise
[16:46] <Kilos> yes very slowly
[16:46] <Kilos> was ice here again in the morning
[16:47] <paddatrapper> superfly suggested naming it itrum (again, or refresh) which seems pretty spot on
[16:47] <superfly> iterum
[16:47] <paddatrapper> I should type slower...
[16:48] <inetpro> Latin?
[16:48] <Kilos> oh then it will meaning getting it accepted as an ubuntu package again wont it superfly 
[16:48] <paddatrapper> inetpro: English, just not often used
[16:48] <superfly> yes, but that's easy enough, and I'm sure we can pursuade tumbleweed ;-)
[16:49] <Kilos> haha
[16:49] <superfly> paddatrapper: no, inetpro is correct, it is latin
[16:51] <Kilos> oh i wont be here in the morning or as long as it takes for second round of pension application
[16:52] <inetpro> superfly, paddatrapper: you want to call it Ibid Iterum or just Iterum?
[16:53] <superfly> was thinking just "iterum" but I'm not entirely sure right now. Just been looking at domain names and both .com and .org are taken
[16:54] <paddatrapper> I quite like just Iterum, but the domain names are a pain...
[16:54] <inetpro> very difficult to come up with something unique these days
[16:54] <superfly> wow, one could potentially have "https://i.bid/
[16:55] <superfly> .um is not a domain anymore, sadly
[16:55] <paddatrapper> There is really a TLD for anything
[16:55] <paddatrapper> Except for what we need
[16:56] <paddatrapper> iterum.io and iterum.co.za are both available
[16:56] <superfly> ugh, .io is expensive
[16:56] <superfly> even with my discount
[16:57] <Kilos> you looking for a host just for a bot?
[16:58] <Kilos> weather liars say 7 and 26 inetpro 
[16:59] <superfly> Kilos: of course
[16:59] <paddatrapper> Kilos: for documentation, download, etc
[17:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:05] <superfly> i can get iterum.tech for $2 per year
[17:06] <superfly> or .online
[17:06] <superfly> a .io is $33
[17:09] <Kilos> whew
[17:09] <superfly> there's iterum.chat for $24
[17:10] <superfly> let's move this discussion to #iterum
[17:10] <Kilos> ok
[17:18] <magespawn> good evening
[17:22] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:22] <Kilos> go to #iterum
[17:22] <magespawn> why?
[17:22] <Kilos> because
[17:24] <magespawn> okay am there
[17:41] <jerit> gave my dog some scraps off my plate and he bit me when he snatched at the meat... I was so shocked from the pain I slapped him across the face :(
[17:41] <jerit> and now as a result, I hate myself
[17:57] <jerit> not even my best feel good songs are helping me to feel better now :(
[18:01] <Kilos> what happened jerit 
[18:01] <paddatrapper> jerit: Your dog will be fine, don't beat yourself up about it
[18:01] <Kilos> haha
[18:03] <jerit> I know he'll be fine. I couldn't possibly have hurt him anywhere near as much as he hurt me... But he doesn't understand why he got hurt in the first place
[18:03] <jerit> and that sort of thing is what breaks trust
[18:03] <Kilos> teach him to take food gently
[18:04] <Kilos> turn the food in your hand away from him and keep saying softly softly
[18:04] <Kilos> then slowly turn hand bit by bit
[18:04] <Kilos> and dont try it when he is starving either
[18:05] <Kilos> our animals behaviour depends on how we train them
[18:06] <Kilos> they learn from the tone in your voice
[18:06] <Kilos> stern voice means dont push your luck
[18:07] <jerit> Kilos I've been trying to teach him to take gently but the bitch my uncle married (they're divorced now) thought it was fun to tease the dogs so from a young age he's been convinced that he's not going to get the food unless he snaps
[18:08] <Kilos> eish
[18:08] <jerit> I never liked that woman
[18:08] <Kilos> hard to train out bad habits
[18:09] <Kilos> maybe try with something he eats but not to keen on first
[18:09] <Kilos> even dog pellets
[18:11] <jerit> I want to train the dogs to take and to eat properly because they scoff themselves when we give them the tinned dog meat
[18:12] <jerit> but I can't do that with all of them around yet. I have to separate them... First I need the treats to give them that'll keep their attention
[18:12] <Kilos> good luck
[18:13] <Kilos> keep many plasers handy
[18:13] <Kilos> and 10 volume peroxide
[18:13] <Kilos> always wash dog bies wih i
[18:13] <Kilos> it
[18:13] <Kilos> bites
[18:13] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:28] <superfly> jerit: in the wild there is no such thing as positive. Animals either have neutral or negative
[18:30] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[18:31] <magespawn> jerit patience and time
[18:32] <magespawn> hhg
[18:32] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[18:32] <jerit> superfly maybe so but domestic dogs are not wild animals
[18:33] <Kilos> just reward every good move with hugs and pats and many good boys
[18:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see you tomorrow avy
[18:50] <jerit> nn Kilos
[19:18] <ra1v3n> gnyt all
[20:04] <magespawn> good night all