[07:45] <Mirv> can we fix lubuntu-qt-desktop somehow to not fail installing on yakkety-proposed where it depends erronously on muon-discover and muon-update which depend on plasma-discover-updated which no longer exists?
[07:45] <Mirv> can I simply remove the muon transitional package dependencies for the time being? this maybe be preventing the KDE and Qt transition
[07:45] <Mirv> (because lubuntu-qt-desktop becomes uninstallable)
[07:47] <Mirv> a correction, muon-discover depends on existing plasma-discover but muon-updater incorrect on plasma-discover-updater
[07:49] <Mirv> right, muon-updater has been completely removed in Debian already, so I think I can proceed with this and there is time to do additions regarding plasma-discover for beta 1 still
[16:30] <tsimonq2> hi Mirv
[16:30] <tsimonq2> Mirv: I'll talk to Julien, it'll be a few hours though
[16:35] <tsimonq2> Mirv: *technically* I'm maintaining the lubuntu-qt-desktop package right now (internally delegated) so that's fine
[16:36] <tsimonq2> Mirv: if anything in the future blocks something like that, merge proposals to https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.yakkety are more than welcome :)
[17:44] <Mirv> tsimonq2: so yes as you probably saw I pushed directly to the seed and updated meta-package. I was really hoping the big transition could happen today, but alas it seems impossible again.
[17:46] <Mirv> tsimonq2: please review the change with Julien - as plasma-discover-updater is no more, please check what you want to depend on. I also later modified the muon transitional packages from plasma-discover to be just dependencies to plasma-discover instead of the now broken dependencies to plasma-discover-updater
[17:47] <Mirv> tsimonq2: another thing to discuss/resolve, I bumped into bug #1559481 today and I'm not sure if it could be some sort of blocker or not - but at the very least plasma-workspace and lubuntu-default-settings can't be installed at the same time, that should be resolved. maybe rename your plasma.desktop to something else? or at least define a Breaks against plasma-workspace so they really can't be
[17:47] <Mirv> installed at the same time, but preferably so that they could be coinstalled.
[17:48] <Mirv> "lubuntu-qt-desktop" is still flagged as problematic, so that's why I'm wondering if it's due to this and if it could block Qt & KDE transition even if other issues would be resolved
[17:48] <Mirv> anyway, not really here now, burned out enough today and time to sleep soon :)
[17:49] <wxl> tsimonq2: if lubuntu-qt-desktop is problematic, that may explain the reasons your merge proposals to cdimage and livecd have not been approved. possibly.
[17:50] <Mirv> tsimonq2: btw, bug #1496292 is starting to be really critical and it seems there was finally a decision regarding that on #ubuntu-release so it will progress this week. remains to be seen on which day.
[17:53] <Mirv> the problematics with lubuntu-qt-desktop may all come down to just the packagekit 1 transition and plasma-discover, but I just note that the file conflict and co-installability problem is also critical that might be detected by some automatic test infrastructure
[18:15] <tsimonq2> I'm back
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Mirv: I have the Plasma desktop installed alongside LXQt, so a conflicts is simply not an option
[18:18] <tsimonq2> Mirv: re: bug 1496292, thanks
[18:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: bug 1496292 is a showstopper in installing lubuntu-qt-desktop\
[18:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: it makes it completely uninstallable
[18:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: so getting it fixed is high priority for us, so I poked him
[18:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: I just subscribed the packages team so we can keep a tab on it
[18:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: and re: it not being accepted because of that, the least they could do is comment on the MPs indicating so...
[18:28] <wxl> tsimonq2: i don't know about you, but i've run into things before where i was going to work on it and hit a road block and just moved on to the next thing and put that other thing on the back burner.
[18:28] <wxl> tsimonq2: maybe not ideal, but reasonable.
[18:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: seems kind of rude, doesn't it? to at the very least not just say *something* >
[18:29] <tsimonq2> s/>/?/
[18:29] <wxl> tsimonq2: i wouldn't say it's rude. i'd say it's the result of having limited time and an unlimited amount of stuff to do.
[18:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah
[18:29] <tsimonq2> *shrug*