[04:56] Hi [04:56] Hey hikiko. [04:57] Good morning TheMuso :-) [05:00] Good morning TheMuso, hikiko! [05:01] Hey RAOF. :) [05:01] Hi RAOF! [07:00] ...and greetings [07:14] Morning folks [07:15] Hi Trevinho, folks [07:15] hi duflu [07:16] good morning desktopers [07:16] hey desrt Trevinho duflu [07:17] hi seb128 [07:17] Morning seb128 [07:17] If I vanish, it was the weather. Might drown or get blown away. Or both [07:18] * desrt sits down to relax after a crazy weekend [07:19] (by approximate calculations post-facto using google maps) i think we biked 60-70km on saturday [07:20] That's crazy talk [07:20] i know :( [07:20] a lot was uphill, too [07:21] and the craziest part: it was to celebrate the birthday of mascha's mother.... who is 61.... and kicked my ass... [07:21] * desrt feels old [07:21] haha, waow, she is really in shape :-) [07:21] hey desrt, duflu, Trevinho, re seb128 [07:21] hey didrocks [07:22] morning didrocks [07:22] and seb, Trevinho, duflu [07:22] did everyone else have more relaxing evenings? [07:23] I think it can only be more relaxing :) [07:23] * didrocks went to some nice bouchon restaurant [07:23] yeah, w.e was relaxing here, quite some reading/tv [07:24] * desrt jealous [07:25] we also went to a cool park yesterday with ~100 sculptures... some of them very permanent, others very temporary [07:25] like, one was made out of drinking straws, even... [07:25] and of course, very many of them were portals :D [07:32] I can't imagine if desrt starts one day to play to pokemon go in parallel to ingress ;) [07:33] ....must...buy... second... phone [07:33] pokemon has added a new gameplay aspect... the "stops" in pokemon are all taken from portals in ingress, so if you see a bunch of 12 year olds sitting around in some random location outside, all looking at their phones, you know that you probably have a chance to hack a portal [07:34] this happens _a lot_ [07:35] one other major difference, though: every time i've encountered another ingress player, they've been standing up and walking around. when i've encountered pokemon players, it seems that they are far more likely to be sitting in one place, doing [whatever] [07:37] trying to capture a pokemon [07:38] * desrt just thought "why don't they make them run around?" and immediately realised "... uh... cars... right." [07:39] heh :p [07:39] it seems that you only capture them with luck [07:39] so you aim them, through a pokeball [07:40] and maybe they will get captured [07:40] but this happens away from the 'stops' right? [07:40] i thought the stops were for like buying/selling or training, etc. [07:40] which is what i think i see all the kids sitting around doing [07:41] They're item dispensers that activate every ~5min. [07:41] so this sounds like ingress, then :) [07:42] However, you can also attach a lure to them which makes pokemon spawn around them for 30min. [07:43] and i guess the reason for wanting to stand in the middle of a cluster of the things is because that way you can get more stuff per 5 minutes? [07:43] So, optimal behaviour is either to walk around, hitting whatever stops are around you every 5 minutes and collecting whatever pokemon are around, or sitting somewhere where there are lots of stops and people attaching lures (which affect everyone, not just the person who attached the lure) to them. [07:43] Mainly they're playing non-optimally ;) [07:43] lures sound like frackers :) [07:43] i guess it's not a surprise that there should be elements in common [07:46] well, it's not like it wasn't the same company behind it :) [08:02] ~/sb e [08:02] oops [08:03] HI! [08:04] hihi [08:04] hey can't focus correct window Laney ;) [08:04] morning willcooke [08:04] that's an irssi command [08:05] but I typed a ~ by mistake [08:05] FAIL [08:07] hey willcooke Laney [08:07] had a good w.e? [08:09] Did some tidying up in the garden. Can barely move this morning [08:09] lol [08:10] glad to be back to work then? ;-) [08:10] oh yeah, hi fo realz [08:10] * duflu recommends pre-or-post-gardening pilates (or yoga) to solve willcooke's woes. I know what it's like. [08:10] we went to Manchester to go to a baptism (not of fire) [08:10] :) thx duflu [08:10] the best bit was the cake shop visit prior to that [08:10] huumm, cake :-) [08:11] \m/ [08:11] how are you seb128? [08:12] I'm good thanks! [08:12] had a relaxing w.e [08:12] trying to find my work rythme again, not quite there yet! [08:12] * seb128 has coffee and is almost done with emails [08:18] good old emails [08:22] indeed [08:22] I've got a new place to work to try out this afternoon [08:22] EXCITING [08:22] http://www.leftlion.co.uk/articles.cfm/title/happy-200th-birthday-bromley-house-library/id/8145 [08:23] nice [08:24] seems worth visiting [08:39] moin [08:39] hey Sweet5hark, how are you? had a good w.e? [08:41] weekend was good: Cleared out the basement (for moving soon), which sounds like no fun and mostly wasnt. But it was a lot less work than expected, so that was good. Also hunted some more pokemon. [08:42] * Sweet5hark wonders how willcookes pokemon adventures are going. [08:42] oh, you are moving? [08:42] I wanted to try pokemon [08:42] but I don't have any device compatible with it [08:42] soonish. just another place in Hamburg. [08:42] k [08:42] Android sucks [08:43] or Samsung not updating their devices [08:43] yeah it does [08:43] in any case I don't have a device with an android recent enough to install pokemon [08:55] * Laney slaps flexiondotorg [09:05] Sweet5hark, I've run out of balls and there are only 3 stops in my village, all of which are miles away. I'll try and load up when I'm in London on Wednesday [09:23] willcooke: meh, yeah. pokestops density seem to be very different in places. [09:24] * Sweet5hark has the luck to be able to activate a pokestop from his (current) apartment ... [09:24] nice [09:25] but you are still moving?! ;-) [09:26] ... and the park 300m from here was the pokemon meeting place for all of hamburg for some time because it was a dratini source (saw 4 dratini spawned at the same time there once). but that was before the patch. the area was nerfed a bit by the patch it seems. [09:26] seb128: I should reconsider. [09:26] :-) [09:40] woah [09:40] my display isn't scaled [09:41] * Laney squints [09:41] u-c-c says 1× [09:43] that sounds like not scaled indeed! [09:43] yeah, it's not that it failed to apply it [09:43] it forgot the config [09:44] :-/ [09:44] anything in the u-s-d log? [09:45] or unity one [09:45] did you log into a different session type or had issues with one of the sessions? [09:45] just restarted 'cos of that intel crash [09:46] logs don't seem to have anything [09:46] the unity one is full of firefox stuff [09:47] I should dist-upgrade and get the systemd stuff anyway [09:48] 413 packages can be upgraded. [09:56] flexiondotorg: GTK is now holding up Qt and loads of stuff in proposed, so I'm going to move it in - you can catch up when you're back [09:59] move it in -> unblock at least - there will probably be some other unexpected crap [10:11] getting rid of kyotocabinet from all my packages, FINALLY === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [10:52] [ubuntu/yakkety] gtk+3.0 3.20.6-1ubuntu1 (Accepted) [10:52] * Laney argh [10:55] Laney: I've fixed this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/force-quit-dialog-gtk-3.20-selectors/+merge/302049 to use css name too... Would you mind to review it? Since andyrock is in vacation, so I guess you could give your ack there. [10:56] Trevinho: yep [10:56] thanks [10:56] do you have a deb handy? [10:57] looks good code-wise [10:57] although you could probably give that label a style class instead instead of using '*' ;-) [10:57] but that doesn't actually matter [10:57] Laney: yeah,. it's in the ppa https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 [10:57] (which, at this point you could either publish :)) [10:57] let me try it [10:58] how do you get a window to show the force quit thing? [10:58] Laney: yeah, I though about the label thing... But... Well, it's not relevant at that level [10:58] killall -STOP anything-you-want-with-ui [10:58] thx [10:58] then play with it for a second... try to close it... [10:58] and the msg shoul dhappen [11:02] you're going to publish the silo too? [11:03] sure [11:21] taaaaa :) [11:22] * Trevinho trying a new LTE connection at his parents home.... Not bad at allll [11:23] Trevinho: do you have to buy a special package? [11:24] my mobile provider blocks tethering [11:24] :( [11:24] Laney: no tethering is always allowed by italian providers (at least, the ones I tried)... [11:24] I tried at the weekend to get on a VPN to work around this [11:24] but the tethering interface didn't go over the vpn [11:25] fail [11:25] Laney: but I'm using another SIM card here with only data package... I've a 15Gb for 10€, but I could get a proper router some antennas and with 30€/month I would get 100gb, wich are enough for them and me visiting them :-) [11:25] nice [11:26] I look forward to LTE reaching rural areas over here [11:26] And.. speeds are nice... With no external antennas I'm getting 20/20mb, that is not bad for a such rural area [11:26] then I can go buy my climbing cottage in the peak district [11:26] eheh, indeed [11:27] if you come to italy, I've to say that the 4G network is really good also in remote areas... So if you want o climb on dolimites for example.. [11:27] bit of forest for winter heating [11:27] some grass for chickens and vegetables [11:29] a place like this seems right for you http://www.globoalpin.com/prCache/12596016414_ec84dff56b_z.jpg :-) [11:29] haha [11:30] in reality I'm like "where's the pub/cinema/people?" [11:30] Laney: down there, just take the paraglider to get there :-) [11:31] cable car back up [11:31] winning [11:31] * Trevinho vm's doesn't start unity anymore ... -_- [11:31] paraglide back with a mini-motor. [11:31] and unity-settings-daemon... and anything! [11:31] i thought those exist these days [11:32] xnox: they do [11:32] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/gedit320.png [11:32] think there might be a bug there [11:32] http://www.galatina.it/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/preview//6933_preview.jpg?itok=yOeaXdKI [11:32] xnox: ^ [11:33] ah, wait... did systemd in session thing landed? [11:33] yeah last week or the week before [11:33] mhmhmh [11:34] i was more thinking http://www.gorj-domino.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/deltaplan15.jpg [11:34] I upgraded this last sat and... no working now [11:34] one needs a bit of "roof" for the british drizzles === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [11:53] Good morning! [11:59] hm is there a qt-free content hub interface? [12:00] something that could be integrated into c toolkits.. with .. less .. review friction? === maclin1 is now known as maclin === JanC is now known as Guest57323 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [13:23] Trevinho: since when I m on vacations? [13:23] XD [13:31] andyrock: you could have had some free time off! [13:32] * Laney is in the new city centre office [13:34] is it just me, or scrolling on tabs in firefox suddently stopped working? [13:34] probably since 48.0 ? [13:36] Laney, just mentioning it in case you didn't see but libgtk2.0-0 seems to try to pull gnome-icon-theme back in main since today's landing [13:36] xclaesse, scroll on tabs does nothing indeed, could be a feature/wanted change from upstream to remove a confusing behaviour? [13:37] seb128, wondering if that's beacuse of gtk3 port [13:38] could be, though the switch to gtk3 is not new [13:38] AFAIK, only gnome-terminal still has that feature now :( [13:38] I never scroll on tabs so I can't say if that was working in 47 [13:39] seb128, I'm doing it all the time and I noticed only this morning, so must be latest update. When was 48 uploaded into 16.04 ? [13:39] on friday [13:40] but 47 does the same for me, still had a binary on disk from a snap playground [13:40] hm, ok [13:41] maybe I wasn't doing it as much as I though, and it didn't bother me until now :p [13:41] or it's a user config thing [13:41] seb128: I thought the alternate on adwaita-icon-theme would be good enough, is it not? [13:41] Is scrolling on tabs where yo u use the mouse wheel on the tab bar? [13:41] because I have 46 apparently and that does nothing [13:42] Laney, I don't know, could be a component-mismatch bug [13:42] Laney, right [13:43] Laney, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-August/003845.html was the email I saw pass by [13:43] but yeah, the alternative depends should work so no clue... [13:43] ya, I see it [13:43] maybe it does have to be the first one [13:43] not sure why debian put it second tbh [13:44] seems wrong even for them indeed [13:45] seb128, Laney: oh maybe it's my fault, Chrome does scroll on tabs, could be that firefox never did? I'm mixing stuff probably [13:45] go boot an ancient iso and see if it works there [13:45] and if so, have some iso bisecting fun [13:46] not worth it :D [13:46] I could just install one of those extensions that does it [13:47] xclaesse, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1285812 [13:47] Mozilla bug 1285812 in Tabbed Browser "Switch tabs by scrolling with the mouse wheel in the tab bar" [Normal,Reopened] [13:48] but yeah, just install an addon ;-) [13:55] annoying, I didn't check if the port forwarding to my desktop is working and it seems it's not [13:55] * Laney is on pants wifi [13:59] pants wifi? [14:00] you need to level up your britishness [14:00] can you combine that with snaker network ? [14:00] *sneaker [14:00] https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/be/ad/1abead69587e2d45c8b35fad17cb866e.jpg [14:00] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pants&defid=12188 [14:00] I can add snakers if needed :) [14:01] (this was on the first google image page result) [14:01] too american [14:01] DENIED [14:01] hehe :) [14:01] thx for the link! [14:01] ah, you can even say "you are …" [14:03] :D [14:03] can't remember the last time I used it, think I'm going to bring it back [14:03] it's quite school-ish [14:04] * Laney forgot to push gtk2 apparently [14:04] MEH [14:05] Laney: you should blame it on the pants wifi :) [14:05] my pants self [14:05] heh [14:06] the pants wifi is making it hard to download the source package though [14:06] :P [15:11] seb128: Is it allowed for a package to optionally build-dep on one of it's binary packages? [15:11] its [15:48] tedg, what would that mean "optionally"? [15:48] like a suggests? [15:48] seb128: What I did is put an "|" in for something that's likely in the archive, but not needed for boot strapping. [15:49] seb128: I dont' think you can do a suggests on a build dep, no? [15:49] no you can't [15:49] I was just trying to understand what you are doing [15:50] "somethinginthearchivenot needed | yours" sounds like sounds like you could as well comment the line to bootstrap? [15:50] also what are you doing? writting a new language/compiler? ;-) [15:52] you can have on a build-dependency [15:59] seb128: So trying to do get an ABI check that works... so looking at the version in the archive and making sure the compiled version doesn't break compared to the archive version. [15:59] seb128: Specifically: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/abi-compliance/+merge/302216 [15:59] Laney: I'm not sure what "stage1" is there [16:00] bootstrap [16:00] https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfileSpec [16:00] Laney: Is that for everything or just my package? [16:00] I didn't find it on policy, perhaps it's not documented there yet [16:00] tedg, I don't understand why you need that line [16:01] if you do | randomthingnotneeded you can as well do an upload without that build-depends [16:01] and then another to add it [16:01] like what's the value of | unless over nothing? [16:01] unless -> useless [16:01] I figured that if you had a brand new archive, that package wouldn't exist, so you had to handle that case. For things like an archive rebuild. [16:01] i.e. new compiler from scratch or something [16:02] ah, I see [16:02] what Laney said then [16:03] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBootstrap mentions it as well [16:04] K, so, then in the case of building from scratch the person doing it is should know to build everything with stage1 first time around. [16:04] right [16:04] there is a DEB_BUILD_PROFILES [16:04] which whoever is doing the bootsrap would set the right value for first build round [16:05] Cool [16:08] I'm liking this approach because it solves the gcc 4/5/6 problem that we have with tripple landings. [16:08] Ensures no ABI breakage on all. Also all architectures. [16:08] jbicha, do you plan to update e-d-s in yakkety? I was going to look at that bug saw your Debian commit, also we probably want to wait for the current proposed transitions to go through before adding more potential blockers [16:12] seb128: right, that's why I waited until today to work on it, the only abi bump is libcamel-1.2-54 > -57 which is relatively small and shouldn't affect qt [16:12] Just don't do it :( [16:12] shouldn't [16:12] I'll cry [16:13] are there any recent audio issues? did an upgrade, but no sound output [16:13] check which output is selected in indicator-sound [16:13] "Dummy Output" [16:14] is that the only one that's listed? [16:14] yup [16:14] well [16:14] that was a rapid end to my knowledge of the sound system [16:15] I forgot where pulseaudio logs, but maybe that is interesting [16:15] journal it seems [16:16] [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=1"): initialization failed. [16:17] not sure what happened there [16:17] there was also [16:17] [pulseaudio] module.c: module-detect is deprecated: Please use module-udev-detect instead of module-detect! [16:17] but it wasn't highlighted in red, so it must be ok [16:21] killing pulseaudio seemed to fix it for some reason [16:22] it probably respaned and worked [16:23] yeah, seems to be the case. not sure why re-spawning is different though [16:23] bugs bugs bugs [16:25] which are good? which are bad? [16:28] all bugs are created equal [16:28] is that xenial or yakkety? [16:28] if you can reproduce try to see if TheMuso can help you filing a bug [16:30] yakkety. i don't think pulseaudio is even starting on session start up [16:31] I don't know how it's supposed to be started [16:34] actually, it is starting [16:34] still don't know why the re-spawning fixes it though [16:35] if you can reproduce it, get a log (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log), file a bug and grab TheMuso later on [16:36] anyone else have a broken lightdm on yakkety? (clicking on the icon to switch from U7 to U8 causes the password box and icons to go away leaving the background only + outline of where the password box normally would be) [16:36] possibly dbus issue in the seat0 logs... [16:45] bschaefer: Are you fully upgraded? [16:45] Laney, yeah [16:45] Specifically light-themes [16:45] well it was working (before todays upgrade) [16:45] Today GTK got upgraded, along with the theme [16:46] i see. dang, hmm [16:46] ill attempt to downgrade that and see what happens [16:46] though its strange it works fine until i click on the icon to get the list of other destop interfaces (like u8) [16:46] I would rather you confirmed that everything is up to date first of all [16:47] and unity-greeter [16:47] there was a bug that soundsl ike that in there, but mterry fixed that a while ago [16:47] unity-greeter: Installed: 16.10.1-0ubuntu2 [16:47] * Laney checks it got out of proposed [16:47] argh [16:47] get the -proposed one [16:47] * bschaefer has had bad times with adding proposed to his system :) [16:47] oh FFS it's upstart crap [16:48] just add it, install unity-greeter, remove it [16:48] Laney, roger [16:48] seb128: can you help and remove unity-greeter/s390x from yakkety and yakkety-proposed please? [16:49] I'll add the build-depends tomorrow [16:49] this sucks [16:49] ...but I've got to run right now, will check in later [16:49] Laney, thanks for the help! (hopefully it fixes it :) [16:49] the above should get it to migrate [16:49] good luck! [16:49] Laney, k [16:50] thanks [16:50] see you later! [16:50] have fun, see you later! [16:52] bschaefer, let us know if that fixes it [16:55] seb128, Laney fyi it fixed it thanks! [16:55] good! [16:56] cool, if i see anyone else have that problem ill let them know [16:56] thanksfor confirming [16:56] thanks again! (most my work today depended on switching to U8 :) [16:57] andyrock: oh sorry, I thought you were... [16:58] :) [17:10] seb128, I'm going to get dinner and such, will be back later though [17:39] willcooke, exactly what I'm doing as well, back in some hours [17:57] seb128: don't know if https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html is still used but it's been stuck for a while === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [19:37] hey, has anyone else had a problem with their laptop screen turning off after a cold boot? [19:38] I think I might be having a problem with repowerd [19:40] either that or acpi [19:40] whatever it is, after a couple suspend/resume cycles and switching to vt1 I at least have my screen power on now [19:43] willcooke, seb128 meeting now? [19:45] robert_ancell: good morning [19:45] jbicha, hi [19:46] robert_ancell, yeah,well willcooke put a meeting for in 15min but I can start earlier if you guys want [19:46] seb128, yeah, it's in 15 mins but if you guys are ready now... [19:46] jbicha, I saw for versions, I removed the lock a bit earlier today before you pointed out, need to look at the log, I was going to do that around now [19:46] robert_ancell, right, let's see when willcooke shows up then [20:00] hey seb128 robert_ancell [20:00] on the dot! [20:00] :)) [20:34] thanks robert_ancell seb128 [20:34] gnight [20:34] thanks! [20:34] night [20:34] * willcooke off to watch Twitch streams [20:34] actually, GTA5 multi player first [20:36] jbicha: hey, still around? [20:36] ochosi: hey [20:37] i'm trying to fix some gnome apps (starting with files/nautilus) in greybird and i was wondering whether i could get some feedback from you (since i have a slightly broken setup atm and can't actually test nautilus 3.20) [20:38] ochosi: sure, yakkety has nautilus 3.20 as of a few hours ago now too [20:38] i noticed that there is quite a bit of theming in nautilus itself, not sure how it's actually supposed to work with adwaita (and most of it doesn't seem to with greybird), so i'll pull in what is needed, but i don't really just want to blindly copy-paste everything [20:38] oh [20:38] nice [20:39] so e.g. disk-space stuff, does that look ok? (i see there are some style definitions in nautilus itself, regarding coors etc) [20:42] I looked in Other Locations (which shows the Computer) but I don't see any colors for disk space at all with Adwaita [20:43] jbicha, the versions page is updated btw [20:43] unsure why it wasn't when you asked, I had removed the cron job lock which was staled some hours earlier [20:44] and it's supposed to update every hour [20:44] in any case it updates without change, should be usable again [20:44] jbicha: odd, i wonder what this is for then: https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/src/resources/css/Adwaita.css?h=3.20.2#n96 [20:45] ochosi: you could also try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ in a VM (it's not 100% GNOME 3.20 yet but it does have nautilus) [20:46] jbicha: right, well the other aspect is i've practically never used it before, so i wouldn't even know where to notice breakage [20:46] and tbh comparing adwaita with greybird in every view is too much to ask ;) [20:49] I don't know, nautilus has had a lot of changes in the past 2 years so maybe the diskspace theming isn't used any more [20:49] right, i'll not include it for now [20:49] i can always pull it in if someone notices issues [20:49] btw regarding your PR, i think i'd like to keep the compiled css around [20:49] it's a nice fallback if ppl just wanna download the latest version or something [20:50] plus adwaita/gtk+ does it too [20:54] ok [21:06] jbicha: nice work on the makefile stuff! [21:06] autogen throws a wrong greybird version here on the 3.20 branch though, haven't looked into it yet though [21:07] oh, seems to be hardcoded into configure.ac [21:07] is that intended? [21:08] ochosi: yes, you'll need to bump that when you want to change the version [21:08] can't we just extract it from the last git tag? [21:09] that way ppl would also end up knowing whether they're installing a devel version of something [21:09] (i was thinking of git describe) [21:10] I don't know how to do that, I just recommend remembering to set it to the right number before you tag a release (or bump the version immediately after a release if that's easier to remember) [21:14] or if you don't want to bother, you can just leave out $VERSION, that value is used for make dist to make an appropriately versioned tarball… [21:14]